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just picked up a v603SH
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Posted by: Timsta

Sooo. cool.. can watch tv for free... it has motion sensors for games like golf.. and a game that is lik ecounterstrike.. so you actually have to turn to turn in the game.

its got a 2.0 megapixel camera. but still cool. FM radio. tv.

just picked it up today..

very very fun.

Posted by: yongebloor

Timsta,

I have a 602SH, it is pretty similar to the 603 but doesnt have the
motion feature (like the golf game).

Although a hybrid GSM,
602SH doesnt take SIM cards, I thought the 603SH didnt either.

Can they (err, the 602SH really!) be unlocked (CDMA)
to use on Telus or anything?

Yb

Posted by: Timsta

they can be unlocked.. various ppl can do it. i'm learnign right now.

i love the tv feature. i can watch CBC.. and many other channels.. HOCKEY ON THE GO BABY>.

i'm very pumped about this phone.

Posted by: yongebloor

Hahaha. Hockey on a cell?! Brilliant
-- Although, I dont think I get the TV feature either...

Oh well, it cost me all of 1 yen when I bought it

I have seen almost no (decent) information on Sharp CDMA
hacking. Anybody know any threads that might be helpful?

Timsta, also, once you get the hang of it, if you need a test phone
in the GTA area, my one-yen-wonder would always be ready to
volunteer!

Thanks for the info all the same though!

Posted by: raine2x

Timsta that's cool!! i thought the tv feature doesn't work outside japan or somethin.. but wow that's awesome... keep us updated!

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

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Originally Posted by Timsta

they can be unlocked.. various ppl can do it. i'm learnign right now.

i love the tv feature. i can watch CBC.. and many other channels.. HOCKEY ON THE GO BABY>.

i'm very pumped about this phone.

I don`t like the looks of 603 but I love the design of 604

Plz Timsta, say this phone can be unlocked and used in europe

Posted by: AL9999

Umm guys...

The Sharps that start with V3xx, V4xx, V5xx or V6xx aren't CDMA, they're in fact a Japan only standard called PDC (Personal Digital Cellular), and they'll only work in Japan because that's the only place where PDC networks are used (in fact they'll only work on Vodafone Japan's network, because the phones are programmed to connect on the 1500 MHz band; DoCoMo's PDC network runs on 800MHz).

So even if you were to 'unlock' it, you won't get it to connect to any network. Glad to know you have the TV working though. The FM radio wouldn't work though because it only tunes 76-90MHz right? Only Japan uses that frequency range.

Posted by: Timsta

yah.. the radio picks up some rock stations thats about it.

well as i said.. i'm learning to unlock these types right now. whole new learning process.

tv feature works decently. can at least watch sports channels and the simpsons. ther's a local station here that gives off a really strong signal. so its really fun

the motion games are a total blast too. kind of wierd when u see someone playing it. but very fun for the person playing

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL9999

Umm guys...

The Sharps that start with V3xx, V4xx, V5xx or V6xx aren't CDMA, they're in fact a Japan only standard called PDC (Personal Digital Cellular), and they'll only work in Japan because that's the only place where PDC networks are used (in fact they'll only work on Vodafone Japan's network, because the phones are programmed to connect on the 1500 MHz band; DoCoMo's PDC network runs on 800MHz).

I know about this

Just a bit of fun

Would be nice to have one of this phones anyway

Posted by: yongebloor

AL9999,

You mentioned the v4, v5, v6 series of Sharps. I often see things like 902SH, 802SH, 602SH etc, I have seen a V802SE (not a sharp obviously), out of curiosity though, the phone this thread is about, the 603SH, is this inaccurate? Is the 603SH supposed to be called a V603SH.. My 602SH as well, all documentation that I can find, I see simply 602SH. Do these models then without the V mean they can be used on a foreign network? Or just simply be 'unlocked'?

Yb

Posted by: AL9999

Well the official writing is that anything starting with 1 - 6 should have a V, and 7 - 9 shouldn't. But honestly, the V doesn't matter at all. It's just a naming thing and it doesn't change features or anything. A V603SH and 603SH are the same phone. So don't worry if you see Vs being interchanged and what not.

Posted by: wikka

So is this phone a GSM phone that's usuable outside of Japan? After reading the posts i'm still confused about this.

Posted by: totaltoanage

its a CDMA phone that can be unlocked to be used for NA's verizon or maybe sprint providers and the TV function happens to work decently, hence im using the word decently. doesnt mean it will get crystal clear picture like converted videos but is watchable. and all of this is according to what tim has told me.

AL is right about the specs and numbers of the phone but he lacks info on wheather they are compable in NA or not since he lives in AU. LOL.

Posted by: AL9999

Total... keep your personal slandering comments to yourself. I happen to work in the mobile industry (in case you haven't figured it out by now, I've left enough hints already) and I know more than you seem to think, and where I live has nothing to do with what I know about the mobile industry.

I don't need concrete evidence about whether it works in North America or not because it's a PDC phone, NOT CDMA, NOT GSM. It WON'T work on any network other than Vodafone Japan's PDC network. The accessories obviously do (as Tim has demonstrated) but I can guarantee you that Tim won't get it connected to a phone network, because the network standards are completely different.

Posted by: BabySpidy

The TV works fine outside Japan, but at this time, there's no way you can use V603SH/V604SH outside Japan. Yes, it can be used in NA as long as you unlocked it but I guess, phone will become obsolete before someone unlock it.

Posted by: totaltoanage

well good for you if you work for this industry more power to you. in any case, since you never had hands on training with anything but your newly aquired 903, the v603sh can be unlocked. thats what tim said. we will see if it is unlockable.

Posted by: wikka

so this means it can be on the GSM networks here in NA? so long as they're unlocked? what frequency does it operate on?

lots of mixed replies here...

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

I doubt this, PDC is closer to wi-fi rather than CDMA. Maybe whole trick is in changing fw and a kind of "network chip" in the phone? Who knows. Sharp phones are similiar in many ways soo...
but I`m not sure if it`s worth such effort...

Posted by: AL9999

My point exactly. You'd have to start hacking the way the baseband chip connects to the network you want, and you'd have to replace the network antenna with one that can tune the band of the network you're trying to connect it to (VF Japan's PDC network runs on 1500MHz, whereas GSM runs on 850, 900, 1800 or 1900, and CDMA runs on 850 or 1900). Adding to the complication is that the network radio antenna is actually internal, and the whip antenna that's built in is only for FM radio and TV reception. So my question is, why bother? It will be unstable at the best of times, and far too impractical to actually be selling to other people.

PDC is actually based on a TDMA system, so you'd have more hope getting it to run on a GSM network (which works TDMA style) than a CDMA one. And when I say more hope, I mean in a relative sense, because there's very little chance you'll get it to connect anyway.

I mean, Vodafone Japan has been running a PDC network for more than six years (back when it was J-Phone), don't you think people have tried to get their handsets connected to other networks outside Japan? Don't you think it's rather odd no-one has managed it, even now?

I honestly think you're all wasting your time here. It's great to see that the rest of the phone's accessory features work, but trying to get it connected to a network other than a PDC one is a waste of time. A lot more complicated than merely 'unlocking' a phone.

Posted by: BabySpidy

Quote:

Originally Posted by totaltoanage

well good for you if you work for this industry more power to you. in any case, since you never had hands on training with anything but your newly aquired 903, the v603sh can be unlocked. thats what tim said. we will see if it is unlockable.

"...v603sh can be unlocked. thats what tim said. we will see if it is unlockable."

sounds confusing.... you're not sure if it is unlockable and yet you said it can be unlocked. hmp...

As I've said before, it will take years before someone can unlock it. You need someone from Sharp that will leak V603SH/V604SH's .mot files, then from that file, you have to do the reverse engineering of the program. Well, as far as I know, it's too difficult to reverse it. It's not the same case with V903SH.. Goodluck to 603sh unlocking group..

Posted by: Timsta

its actually more of a bootloader plus a bit of hardware thing. but i'm not going into details. they can be unlocked but if they work or not on north american networks.. tahts another thing, i'm hoping it can be ^^. of course there is always more complications than you ever think there is.

as for years.. i don't think so. alot of ppl said u couldn't unlock the korean phones.. but whoa.. look.. they were able to unlock those too.

i don't see what the fuss is.. its just my pet project.. its not yours. why the arguing? i ACTUALLY Do know what i'm doing.. so you guys don't have to point out facts and argue this and that. its not a contest of who knows more.. my point of making this thread was talk about this type of phone.

can't we all be one big happy family.

that being said..

i really like the motion sensor golf.

Posted by: wikka

i just want to know if i use this kick *** phone here

Posted by: Aldiggi

Well if it is in fact a CDMA phone then quite frankly there is a strong possibility that it can be unlocked to work in NA. That would be great

BTW HOT phone Timsta!!!

Posted by: AL9999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timsta

as for years.. i don't think so. alot of ppl said u couldn't unlock the korean phones.. but whoa.. look.. they were able to unlock those too.

That's the thing... Korean phones ARE CDMA. They're CDMA 1900, so of course you were able to get them working. But PDC phones are completely different...

Anyway, I'm going to stop getting involved in this thread now. Good luck to you Timsta, I hope you enjoy playing around with the phone, but you aren't going to get it connected to a network. Trust me

*Leaves thread*

Posted by: yongebloor

Yup.. The models without the "V" (703SH, 903Sh etc vs V602SH, V603SH) are the only ones that show any network information (CDMA, W-CDMA or GSM) in their tech sheets...

See for yourself
http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/v60...xt/08_spec.html
http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/703sh/text/siyou.html

Also found a Russian Site that (falsely?) claims GSM capabilities:

http://www.sotovik.ru/catalog/phones/sharp/v602sh.html

And a very.. errr.. thorough comparison piece on the V601SH and V602SH
cameras!

http://mabi.mine.nu/~cosmoni/V602SH.htm

So, it would seem that these phones ('V' up to V603SH) are simply
not usable outside of Japan. Period....

Unless we believe the Russians! ^^
-- Come to think of it, on the Sharp site, the V series
might not have CDMA or GSM in the specs, but it doesnt have
any other network info listed either!!! Thats not exactly rock solid proof

(Sorry to beat a dead horse, but the posts were pretty muddled on this topic)

Posted by: AL9999

Ok, this is the very last time I post.

At the following link is the manual, in English, of the V603SH. I can't be bothered to go through the whole thing, but on the very first page it does say "V603SH transmits at 1.5 GHz and is compatible with the Vodafone K.K. network. This product is exclusively for use in Japan."

http://www.vodafone.jp/h-e/products/f/v603sh/index.html

Have fun

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by yongebloor

http://mabi.mine.nu/~cosmoni/V602SH.htm

Oh god, this is sick!
Japs and panties, f****n perverts!

Posted by: yongebloor

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleAllEvil

Oh god, this is sick!
Japs and panties, f****n perverts!

Hahah! Take it for its "technical" merits...
If anyone has a V601SH (or even Timsta's V603SH

)
I would offer to team up to take some shots with
the cameras and put together a more tasteful
page than the one I linked!!!

--Although the current one is an important,
uh.. comparative, err.. work of
....science.

Posted by: yangj08

I have a bit of a question- is it possible to create a mini-base station to use this phone as a cordless phone on a home phone line if it can not be used on a commercial cell network? I have seen this happen with PHS units here (China) but I'm not sure if this applies to PDC units- I have seen people from Japan using DoCoMo and Willcom phones in China, though, and I have a friend who used an old J-T08 handset in Shanghai (only seen him use it twice though, and he never let me touch it or use it, except when it stopped working one day and he told me to try to reactivate it in China). (I do apologize for the run-on sentence) Sigh... I'm happy with my V902SH though.

Posted by: AL9999

No, only PHS phones can be used as cordless handsets for a cordless phone. PDC ones can't do that. China has a PHS network doesn't it? Those DoCoMo and Willcom phones would be running on that one.

Posted by: yangj08

China has a PHS network, and I have seen people selling Willcom handsets around Shanghai, but that doesn't explain my friend's ability to use his J-T08 (J-Phone branded PDC) handset in Shanghai, unless someone has already made a hardware mod to make PDC handsets usable in Shanghai (There are cables sold that will program a number into Japanese PHS, PDC, and CDMA phones on eBay China, but I haven't tried those).
This may be offtopic, but is it possible to use a PHS handset in America on a mini-base station(a PHS cell that plugs in to an electrical outlet and a home phone line to use a PHS handset as a cordless phone)?

Posted by: faifai9394

Hey Timsta how much did you get that for, and I wonder if it have sim slot?? I would rather go with this than 904

Posted by: Timsta

no sim slot. got it for a decent price. fun to play with.