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and with this, i say goodbye cingular.

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Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

promises after promises, promoted but then backed down on said promotion and bunch of small issues that just keep on going, i've had enough.

i know a lot of you have read my posts, which always seemed to be bashing cingular. i know a lot of you asked yourselves "why hasnt this guy quit if he hates it so much?". I know a lot of you only saw me post negatively against the company as a whole.


I also know a few of you are thankful i did post some nice and useful information which i probably shouldn't have. I also know a few of you saw past my negative posts and saw my frustation along with many cingular reps who could only tell the world just how messed up things were/are.

Those those who did, i'd like to thank you.

Words expressed on a website such as howard forums can be seen as one thing, when in reality the tone and meaning to it is another. A lot of my posts seemed like i was complaining about the pay and other things; this is partially true. I did complain about pay for awhile until i realized things change all the time. IT did get worse for us, but now its getting better. The days of 4k commission checks just simply will not exist much longer in this industry. If we expect that, we're simply fooling ourselves. We're better off selling homes for that.

After all the ups and downs i have expierienced during my time with cingular wireless, i will never forget my time prior to the merger. I felt this was THE job i wanted for the rest of my life. I have always sold cingular wireless and truely believed in cingular. Funny how things change in us.

Sure i wasnt making 3-4k like other sales reps did.Money to me isnt end all be all. I loved my co-workers and management. I enjoyed my first ARSM because he was down to earth human being and understood our store so well. We did our best to help out any long time loyal customers; or atleast i did. Unfortunately, that wasn't something that would last for too long.

The buyout of AT&T wireless begun.

It almost feels like i've been working under the new AT&T since i begun. The merger did not make me feel like im employed by cingular wireless. I felt like i was under AT&T wireless who is going at full throttle to save itself but in the process of making sales reps lives worse than it was prior to the merger. It felt like the darkside of AT&T wireless arose after it got knocked down and said screw it to both their employees and customers who stuck around for this turnmoil. This included the locking of phones (cingular had unlocked tri and quad band phones), rate plan changes to those similar to verizon, commission cuts. This is after "cingular" ranted and raved how it's going to so much better for BOTH employees and customers.

And that my friends, is what i have felt since day #3. of post buyout. Morale for work can only be held up high upto a certain point. Most reps i know left because they simply could not deal with tons of idiotic policies aka protocols placed on us and because of paycuts. I stayed around because i didnt mind the paycut too much at this point. MY co-workers and management are what me happy to be there. I wont deny i was ticked that a cut came in, but then i realized i'll take my like for my job (which was going down and down) over money, because these people,my co-workers made it worth it to me.

Then, suddenly, end of the year rolls around and noone from my core group of people is left. The people who made life for me happier, who made me forget about the protocols, the Secreat shop.. they were gone. I'm now stuck with new people who simply just dont care about their jobs as i did. I did my best as a sales associate to train them, to make them knowledgable to my level, but that simply cannot be with them. Why? because they simply dont have the passion for this job as i did( remember, i love cellphones, i love the idea of BSC's, how things work,etc). That my friends, is what leads me to where i am today.

I applied for assistant manager, because ultimately my goal was to become a manager. somewhere in the process i got the job, but then i didn't. This is and was my last blow i can take. In the real world, i never showed my disgruntled faced about things, i did my best to make sure my store was running smoothly and that we had everything we needed. I'd make sure inventory was up to date, make sure we had everything clean and i trained the reps how to use opus( essentially trained them prior to their official training).

this brings us to my current time, as i type this. this took me over an hour to somewhat explain how my life with cingular has been. I did what cingular asked from me even if we didn't agree eye to eye. I've busted my arse making sure my place was running fine. I've put in more than 90 hrs in a week to make sure it was fine, but in the end, i ended up getting the shaft after all this.

overall, i'll thank cingular for the good times and the bad. they helped guide me out the door for the final time. Cingular has managed to make me go from loving this type of job, to flat out hating it, but in the end i'll thank them. While my window within this industry closes, a new one opens for me....in the IT field.

i know this is a long post, but for my final rant regarding cingular i needed/wanted to give those naysayers a glimpse into my life that i rode on. I was once a proud cingular wireless customer and now....i'm simply account #11,764,203 out of 54 million.

thank you all and good night.



Posted by: Wiggum

Cingular has been a disaster for former non management blue employees. Maybe we just had it so good and this how the rest of the world is but I just can't accept that.



Posted by: NukuCamui





Posted by: xbox360gamer

okay, so you did or didnt finally quit?

(your post was too damn long and I only skimmed through it, but I dont recall seeing anything specifically saying that you did in fact finally throw in the towel or not.)



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggum
Cingular has been a disaster for former non management blue employees. Maybe we just had it so good and this how the rest of the world is but I just can't accept that.


for us orange people, pay didnt go down too much, but the fact the company did a 180 in terms of attitude that was until recently, was poor. i strongly believe a lot of higher up blue people swore they'll never run a company again like they did with AT&T wireless, so they decided to crack down on us and customers.


i did put my 2 weeks in this week. i simply dont enjoy showing up for work anymore. im essentially doing what i want now, and these reps are kind of in shock because they expected me to carry them on my back when managers arent around. the stores going to be fine if the managers just kept on top of those 2 reps.

ill miss makin atleast 2,000/mo. but thats why im studyin my ccna; to makre more than 2,000/mo.



Posted by: Wiggum

who are these higher up blue people that are making decisions? as far as i have seen it's all orange making the decisions.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

there are blue people higher ups.



Posted by: guapoharry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
ill miss makin atleast 2,000/mo. but thats why im studyin my ccna; to makre more than 2,000/mo.

You mean Cisco Certified Network Associate? If so, do you have something lined up already?



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by guapoharry
You mean Cisco Certified Network Associate? If so, do you have something lined up already?



my brothers got a job lined up for once im ccna and get my mcp in xp and server 2k3.



Posted by: ccslsrep

i can say from a former blue telesales rep position that things have gone downhill since the merger. At&t treated its emlployees better,but in our center even though we have the same management team they have become heartless and ruthless since the merger with cingular.....and they have learned how to lie better and screw with commissions.



Posted by: cingman66

Any time a company gets bigger it usually means better...but better for who? Usually the upper management, NOT the sales force. I've been with Cingular since 1997, and with every merger, buyout, etc. that comes along, they take a little more pay out of our pockets. Somebody's got to pay for all those Corporate salaries...and most recently pay for the cost of buying out AT&T 2 years ago. In what other job does your workload go up (meaning you have to sell more phones than before), yet your annual pay goes down? This has happened almost every single year with Big Orange. I have gone from making over $100k in 1998 to making under $70k last year...and I sell more phones now than I ever did. In the end, though, it sure beats flipping burgers!

Rock on Big Orange!



Posted by: elushon

I personally love my job, I'm one of the few who's found a good agent to work for.

That being said I am in the minority and while I'm not making anywhere NEAR what you guys are making I still live pretty comfortably.

Alfred - don't really know you except through your postings on here as I've never spoke to you, but it seems like this may be a good move for you. Sometimes enough is enough. Wish you well on all future endeavors.



Posted by: spartacus13b

sorry to see you leave man, i hope you find greener pastures where you are going

I haven't really been extatic with the big C but it is still berable to work at most of the time, there has been some shaking around my region but overall that has been ok....

I am not sure what the whole AT&T thing will bring but I hope that it does notpush me over the edge. I like the job and the money I make for what I do but that can keep me happy for only so long....



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by spartacus13b
sorry to see you leave man, i hope you find greener pastures where you are going

I haven't really been extatic with the big C but it is still berable to work at most of the time, there has been some shaking around my region but overall that has been ok....

I am not sure what the whole AT&T thing will bring but I hope that it does notpush me over the edge. I like the job and the money I make for what I do but that can keep me happy for only so long....



see thats why i'm out. money isn't my issue. whats driving me out is everything outside the money factor.



Posted by: thejlw

Alfred whatta you gunna do until you get your ccna?



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by thejlw
Alfred whatta you gunna do until you get your ccna?



live off my big commission checks



Posted by: ivwshane

The ironic thing is that I might be coming back!


Good luck in what ever you do alfred.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivwshane
The ironic thing is that I might be coming back!


Good luck in what ever you do alfred.


its not worth coming back. dont do it.



Posted by: ivwshane

The manager at the store I would be going to is my former manager and a friend and he takes care of his employees. The assistant manager became assistant after I put in a recommendation for him to my (the manager). I would have had the assistant manager spot but I had to try something outside of retail so I didn't bother going for it.



Posted by: steva

good luck.



Posted by: anubis9278

i sorry to hear that you are leaving. good luck!!! gonna miss your posts



Posted by: Freakshow105

Quote:
Originally Posted by thejlw
Alfred whatta you gunna do until you get your ccna?

he will be posting on here j/k alfred



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis9278
i sorry to hear that you are leaving. good luck!!! gonna miss your posts



oh trust me, i got a good post that will air soon enough.

sides, ill keep posting as a regular joe here. im keeping my service only because i like cingulars service.



Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

Quote:
Originally Posted by thejlw
Alfred whatta you gunna do until you get your ccna?


he's going to work for verizon!



Posted by: SoCal91302

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
its not worth coming back. dont do it.



Other than the fact that commisions are higher, good point.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

higher in what aspect? to get the 100 payout youll need to hit 90 or so total contracts. i made over 3k with less than that november.



Posted by: xj911

Welcome to the CEE, Cingular Ex-Employee club! It took alot of discipline to stay as long as you did, I got out as soon as I could....and my reasoning was along the same lines. Good luck in the future



Posted by: sky1978

I would just like to say that I agree 100% with you. Cingular has went downhill in the 2 years I have worked for the company...I have never worked in an environment that is hostile and negative 100% of the time. In my opinion the only people who like working at cingular are upper management. Cingular is pushing customer service but where is it at. I still have yet to see anything this company actually does for the customer....



Posted by: Rcadden

Good luck on other things Alfred. I recently got out of the cell phone industry (not with Cingular, but with an agent that saw similar things) and while I enjoy my job now, I work WAY less and make roughly the same amount, I miss being in the industry like crazy. As a customer of Cingular for 5 years, I have watched things deteriorate, as well. I remember the old SouthwesternBellWireless days of back-dated rate plan changes and other niceties towards customers.



Posted by: guapoharry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
my brothers got a job lined up for once im ccna and get my mcp in xp and server 2k3.

Good for you. That's the only way to do it.

Otherwise, I'd be wary. It depends on the market in your area, though.

During and after the dot com boom, IT training suppliers came out of the woodwork promising big salaries. Government offered training money (grants) to people displaced by layoffs and declining industries. Then, picking up on the hype, high schools and community colleges started offering base training leading up to MCSE, MCP, CCNA, etc. After a glut of trained people was built up, employers required new-hires have experience in addition to the certification. Catch-22 How do you get experience w/o the job...?

OTOH, that's a lot of work to get trained and pass the tests. After you get the CCNA (or 2MCPs), you might want to have a break before doing the rest.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

regarding the whole IT, its now more of who knows who. its what gets you a job and a good pay.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by guapoharry
Good for you. That's the only way to do it.

Otherwise, I'd be wary. It depends on the market in your area, though.

During and after the dot com boom, IT training suppliers came out of the woodwork promising big salaries. Government offered training money (grants) to people displaced by layoffs and declining industries. Then, picking up on the hype, high schools and community colleges started offering base training leading up to MCSE, MCP, CCNA, etc. After a glut of trained people was built up, employers required new-hires have experience in addition to the certification. Catch-22 How do you get experience w/o the job...?

OTOH, that's a lot of work to get trained and pass the tests. After you get the CCNA (or 2MCPs), you might want to have a break before doing the rest.


i'm going to study for my mcp's before i do the ccna. for CCNA, i'm going to study on my own and go to my community college that does networking-cisco (aka part of the ccna) to get hands on expierience and to get answers to things i dont get it.



Posted by: ivwshane

I would skip mcp since so many people have it (something like 16 million including me) and just focus on ccna.



Posted by: gsmgprsfan

Alfred - congrats on your decision, and it is undoubtedly the best one for your career and health. I was finding myself so wound up at the end of every workday in the call center, that I would have diarrhea, headaches, upset stomach, night sweats etc .. it's not worth it. Because as much as you might care about trying to do the best thing for the company - the company really does NOT give a RATS' butt about you. Stan "the idiot" Sigman is supposedly visiting the call center I just left sometime soon.. I almost wish I didn't leave when I did so that I could hand my rant to Stan in person... THEN quit.

The way they handled my 'situation ' is proof of the fact that executive management in Cingular cares less about fixing problems their problems than they try to say...

Instead of taking care of the concerns raised by passionate employees, they want to shut them up so nobody hears the concerns.



Posted by: thejlw

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
... that I would have diarrhea...


Um...I think thats a little too much information...that sucks though...apparently Cingular causes Diarrhea!!!



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

well cingular does give ya rollover..........in your stomach aka diarrhea



Posted by: Onlyfellonce

Good for you man, leave and never look back. Ive been looking for a new job off and on for 6 months now, but there isnt that much around here that can work around a school sch, besides the food industry.



Posted by: ChocoDough

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
regarding the whole IT, its now more of who knows who. its what gets you a job and a good pay.


No, it's a matter of who wants to move to India.

The IT field is my regular background, but most of the IT jobs are in India right now. Probably in the building across the street from all the Customer Service jobs they stole from us.



Posted by: gsmgprsfan

No - India didn't "steal" jobs from us.. the Unions in the US forced the employers to find cheaper alternatives to the existing employment practices. If Unions didn't encourage employers to keep substandard employees, working at the lowest standards of production and quality necessary - then the employers may be able to retain good employees and get rid of the lazy ones.. but, the lazy ones are protected by the almighty Union, so they get to keep their jobs, and the employer is stuck between a rock and a hard place.



Posted by: ChocoDough

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
No - India didn't "steal" jobs from us.. the Unions in the US forced the employers to find cheaper alternatives to the existing employment practices. If Unions didn't encourage employers to keep substandard employees, working at the lowest standards of production and quality necessary - then the employers may be able to retain good employees and get rid of the lazy ones.. but, the lazy ones are protected by the almighty Union, so they get to keep their jobs, and the employer is stuck between a rock and a hard place.


If we were talking about blue collar workers then I would agree.

But IT professionals are White collar workers and are not unionized.



Posted by: ItalianAngel831

hey alfred i am gonna miss you on hofo will u still b around i know alot of people left. it so sad i am gonna cry i come to look at u as a brother now i feel like ur leaving the nest and getting married. bye bye
L



Posted by: gsmgprsfan

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocoDough
If we were talking about blue collar workers then I would agree.

But IT professionals are White collar workers and are not unionized.

So are you saying that Customer Care reps and Sales reps are Blue collar?



Posted by: ChocoDough

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
So are you saying that Customer Care reps and Sales reps are Blue collar?


No I am not. I consider reps white collar.

And it's hard to compare the CWA to normal blue collar unions. Most white collar jobs aren't unionized.



Posted by: Onlyfellonce

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
So are you saying that Customer Care reps and Sales reps are Blue collar?


I would consider them blue collar.



Posted by: damba98

True- some unions assisted in pricing themselves out of business, or a particular industry. But in other cases, it is really simple economics/market forces which assists certain businesses or industries migrate to where labor is more plentiful and cheaper over time, and closer to raw materials too. Take shipbuilding as as example. Most of them were built here during the first half of the century but moved to Asia where it's closer to iron ore & obviously less expensive labor. Some day it may move to Africa in the same fashion. India is somewhat uniquely positioned because besides having lower wages than the U.S., they have the added benefit of so many persons with (contrary to popular belief) adequate English skills and proper training for those IT jobs which were supposedly 'stolen' (LOL).

Globalization doesn't come without a price however. For every higher paying white collar job created when industries move out of the U.S., some blue collar jobs typically will be reduced. However, the net gain down the road is more total wealth and future opportunties to create businesses & jobs in the U.S. but the shorter term loss of jobs unfortunately gets the most PR in the news. Overall, it is somewhat of a failure to only focus the the short term losses that will naturally be incurred as a result of globalization, much like most American companies only look ahead a few business quarters instead of 10 or twenty years down the road. That, combined with poor emphasis on K-12 education in this country may prove to be our downfall trying to compete with up and coming powerhouses such as China/India.

best,
Pedro

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
No - India didn't "steal" jobs from us.. the Unions in the US forced the employers to find cheaper alternatives to the existing employment practices. If Unions didn't encourage employers to keep substandard employees, working at the lowest standards of production and quality necessary - then the employers may be able to retain good employees and get rid of the lazy ones.. but, the lazy ones are protected by the almighty Union, so they get to keep their jobs, and the employer is stuck between a rock and a hard place.




Posted by: NRSForever

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
regarding the whole IT, its now more of who knows who. its what gets you a job and a good pay.


My husband works in the word of IT and it is definetly about who you know but....you still must know your information in order to make good money in this field. Current my husband is working on his CCNA, so Alfred, I say good luck to you. As a former Sprint-Nextel manager, and looking at your various postings, you seem (in your writings) to be the type of Wireless Consultant (Retail Sales Person) I would have loved to work in my former store. You made me feel that you truly cared about the job, the retail store environment and fellow employees (as long as they were performing the job).

It is ashamed the top brass do not appreciate the hard work a person places into the job before they leave it. For some strange reason, they feel as if you are like a trash bag.....after you change the bag, the new bag does basically the same function. What they do not realize is that you have build relationships with your customers, who send you referrals and those referrals tell others about the great service they receive at your location. The continuing business line (orginal customer + great service = Referrals + great service= Continued business based on your great service skills. They are clueless.

Again, good luck in your new career.




Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

whats funny to me now,is more of how i got screwed out of a promotion.

that was my final straw. if it wasnt for my bank screwing me over right now, id be happy quitting on 4/5/06, but im gonna have to push it back towards the end of april sadly.

right now i got nothing going for me. im broke until the 31st, i hate my job now with a passion,store sucks in every aspect.

im only here to collect my hourly pay.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

its amazing how many views i got on this thread.

im sure 99% of them are probably people who were waiting for this.


when i walk out the door, im the last person in this store worth a damn who did his best.

now i dont put 10% into it. i just got here as i type this and im posed to be here at 12:45. manager doesnt have the never to call me out on it.



Posted by: magiteck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
whats funny to me now,is more of how i got screwed out of a promotion.

that was my final straw. if it wasnt for my bank screwing me over right now, id be happy quitting on 4/5/06, but im gonna have to push it back towards the end of april sadly.

right now i got nothing going for me. im broke until the 31st, i hate my job now with a passion,store sucks in every aspect.

im only here to collect my hourly pay.


Had you actually put in notice already? I'm surprised you were allowed to change your last-day.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by magiteck
Had you actually put in notice already? I'm surprised you were allowed to change your last-day.



well the day i posted this, was the day before i put in my quit lettter. the same day, my friend who was AM, quit on the spot. i decided i might as well get the position here as assistant manager for awhile, before i moved on.

i figured i deserved the promotion for all the crap i did for this manager while hes been gone, but then i heard hes bringing this guy who really isnt the type you want an attitude with. after hearing this, i got ticked. 3 times have i been screwed over for this position. After all i did for this guy, to make his life easier, i get the bottom end of this deal. screw that i say.

had my bank account not been negative, i wouldve quit today. The fact im negative only pushed me away from leaving soon, making my life that much crappier.



Posted by: WillC81

all I have to say is good riddance...I've never seen anyone who b****ed more than you did...if you don't like it dont let the door hit you where the good lord split you...you have constantly done nothing but give a bad face to Cingular...and while I may not agree with everything the company does I believe there is a time and a place for everything and a public forum is not the one for most of your posts...and it's rediculous to blame Blue management for most of your "problems" when in this area most of the management is orange...



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillC81
all I have to say is good riddance...I've never seen anyone who b****ed more than you did...if you don't like it dont let the door hit you where the good lord split you...you have constantly done nothing but give a bad face to Cingular...and while I may not agree with everything the company does I believe there is a time and a place for everything and a public forum is not the one for most of your posts...and it's rediculous to blame Blue management for most of your "problems" when in this area most of the management is orange...



i gave a bad face to cingular? cingular did that on its own. i dealt with their piss poor decisions. i did my part to somewhat fix this nenviroment since the deal went through.


i dont think you realize that this hardly has to do with their stupid protocols and crap. ive learned to deal with it. its nothing. its at the store level where **** hit the fan a long time ago. theres only so much a person can tolerate w/o a meldown mentally when you have other ******** to deal with on the personal level.

i could've done what the typical best buy employee does and dont care.i could let the store hit rock bottom, get more complaints in a day than total of people coming to my store, but i didn't.

THEN on top of ALL THIS i got screwed so hard in my **** for a promotion, i see a dent there now from the screwing.


i can tolerate a paycut,i can tolerate sending #'s, i can tolerate secreat shops. it sucks for a bit, but gotta realize it happens when your goal is somethin else.

you don't know me in real life thus you can only judge me by what i post on hofo. a friend of mine works for the same company and knows i vent on here a lot, yet knows i never show it irl. not worth it. Granted ill ***** about this upcoming paycut, but in the end ill move on, and keep doin what i do. my way i guess.

ive always told myself never in your life should you take work with you back home; if you do, quit.

nowadays i find myself i am so thats why i am leaving (and after gettin screwed out of something i worked for.)



Posted by: ivwshane

If alfred didn't vent here when and where should he vent?



Posted by: Pocketnetman

I feel you man....I've been with the company since 2000 and have been passed over at least 3 times for promotions. It's just like anything in this world, it's in who you know, not what you know. BTW my first post!



Posted by: CingularZ

Interesting, I guess if this is the best decision for you Alfred , then thats all that matters. Somehow though , I feel you have this need to post this because you are unsure of your move so you are perhaps asking for secondary advice?

I could be wrong.. but let me just say, you dont need to defend yourself of what you do. I think many misunderstand you because it seems that lately and prior, you have been a bit harsh on Cingular and majority of us would just respond with "Then why are you still there" ?

Regardless, its your call , do what you have to do. I didnt read through this whole topic but someone had mentioned about CCNA?

Im sorry but whoeva thinks the grass is greener on that side is sadly mistakened... IT is not exactly the strongest market imo.

As for NRSforever, and the post above. I find it quite humorous for you to insult Cingular considering what happen with Nextel and what they did to many of their so called "hard working employees". That so called merger was a buyout in disguise. That so called unity was nothing but a takeover, The crap they pulled on my brother in law who is c-level management was just unbelievable..

Slowly it was Sprint and Nextel, then Sprint with Nextel, then Sprint .. Say goodbye Nextel.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by CingularZ
Interesting, I guess if this is the best decision for you Alfred , then thats all that matters. Somehow though , I feel you have this need to post this because you are unsure of your move so you are perhaps asking for secondary advice?

I could be wrong.. but let me just say, you dont need to defend yourself of what you do. I think many misunderstand you because it seems that lately and prior, you have been a bit harsh on Cingular and majority of us would just respond with "Then why are you still there" ?

Regardless, its your call , do what you have to do. I didnt read through this whole topic but someone had mentioned about CCNA?

Im sorry but whoeva thinks the grass is greener on that side is sadly mistakened... IT is not exactly the strongest market imo.

As for NRSforever, and the post above. I find it quite humorous for you to insult Cingular considering what happen with Nextel and what they did to many of their so called "hard working employees". That so called merger was a buyout in disguise. That so called unity was nothing but a takeover, The crap they pulled on my brother in law who is c-level management was just unbelievable..

Slowly it was Sprint and Nextel, then Sprint with Nextel, then Sprint .. Say goodbye Nextel.


i realize that. its funny. for a while my frustrations was witht he company, but i let it go. this is more of within the store/stores than it is with cingular itself.

right now im not pissed off with cingular, just management tis all.

well as far as it goes, my brothers got a hook up for me in the govt when i get it. its really laid back.

you know, its funny what you said in the first sentence cingularz. im still kind of debatin of leaving. mostly because financial reasons.

a lot of people said i get this way once extreme stress hits me. hell, i think i agree. i think i only post here when stress comes to me and thus ii go off on here. i dont post much anymore, but when i do, it seems im always ticked. gotta chuckled at that.

i dont know if truely my joy for this job is dead, but im too strssed out in life at this moment. between job and my life, its just not going good since hell.......november.

ive turned assholish to people around me. i ***** at my roommate all the time after i get back.



Posted by: NRSForever

Quote:
Originally Posted by CingularZ
Interesting, I guess if this is the best decision for you Alfred , then thats all that matters. Somehow though , I feel you have this need to post this because you are unsure of your move so you are perhaps asking for secondary advice?

I could be wrong.. but let me just say, you dont need to defend yourself of what you do. I think many misunderstand you because it seems that lately and prior, you have been a bit harsh on Cingular and majority of us would just respond with "Then why are you still there" ?

Regardless, its your call , do what you have to do. I didnt read through this whole topic but someone had mentioned about CCNA?

Im sorry but whoeva thinks the grass is greener on that side is sadly mistakened... IT is not exactly the strongest market imo.

As for NRSforever, and the post above. I find it quite humorous for you to insult Cingular considering what happen with Nextel and what they did to many of their so called "hard working employees". That so called merger was a buyout in disguise. That so called unity was nothing but a takeover, The crap they pulled on my brother in law who is c-level management was just unbelievable..

Slowly it was Sprint and Nextel, then Sprint with Nextel, then Sprint .. Say goodbye Nextel.



First.....let me respond be re-stating my original post to Alfred

My husband works in the word of IT and it is definetly about who you know but....you still must know your information in order to make good money in this field. Current my husband is working on his CCNA, so Alfred, I say good luck to you. As a former Sprint-Nextel manager, and looking at your various postings, you seem (in your writings) to be the type of Wireless Consultant (Retail Sales Person) I would have loved to work in my former store. You made me feel that you truly cared about the job, the retail store environment and fellow employees (as long as they were performing the job).

It is ashamed the top brass do not appreciate the hard work a person places into the job before they leave it. For some strange reason, they feel as if you are like a trash bag.....after you change the bag, the new bag does basically the same function. What they do not realize is that you have build relationships with your customers, who send you referrals and those referrals tell others about the great service they receive at your location. The continuing business line (orginal customer + great service = Referrals + great service= Continued business based on your great service skills. They are clueless.

Again, good luck in your new career.


Then I will restate what you wrote....stating my forum name:

As for NRSforever, and the post above. I find it quite humorous for you to insult Cingular considering what happen with Nextel and what they did to many of their so called "hard working employees". That so called merger was a buyout in disguise. That so called unity was nothing but a takeover, The crap they pulled on my brother in law who is c-level management was just unbelievable..

Now I ask you......since you assume to say that I said a word about Cingular in that post.....where exactly is the word "Cingular" stated in my response to Alfred???? Anywhere.....I did not think so.

As for Sprint-Nextel, I personally do not care what they decide to call the company, as long as the company continues to make a profit. As a shareholder and not no-longer an employee, I don't have to "tote the company line" as you do in the case of Cingular. Last check (Friday) "S" stock as trading around $25.00 a share. That is all I care about with my former employer.

Alfred has a right to state his opinions about Cingular considering that he is employed by the company....you have a right to either read the postings or comment on them (since I can assume you are toting that company line because they write your paycheck). As a forum member I have a right to post a comment on whatever open forum I choose. This time, I chose to respond to Alfred.

Next time you make a comment to me, how about reading the posting twice to make sure that you digest the entire posting......not include information that was never stated at all.

Thanks.................




Posted by: rabisdogis

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillC81
all I have to say is good riddance...I've never seen anyone who b****ed more than you did...if you don't like it dont let the door hit you where the good lord split you...you have constantly done nothing but give a bad face to Cingular...and while I may not agree with everything the company does I believe there is a time and a place for everything and a public forum is not the one for most of your posts...and it's rediculous to blame Blue management for most of your "problems" when in this area most of the management is orange...


Actually, if you read the title of the part of the forum, you'd see that it is for agents and employees. The general public may have access to it but this is a place for them to vent and talk about their frustrations in the work environment. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. This isn't a place for people to shut others out like you just did. Cingular gave themselves a bad face and its people like you who turn their backs on the problems at hand, letting them get away with whatever they want instead of facing it like some of us did. The only way to fight such a big company is to voice our opinions here in this forum and let everyone who gives a rats @$$ a chance to hear it straight from the employees mouths.



Posted by: WillC81

venting is fine but releasing confidential and propritary information is not...also sitting there and just badmouthing your coworkers on a public forum is not the way to get problems solved either



Posted by: Onlyfellonce

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
whats funny to me now,is more of how i got screwed out of a promotion.

that was my final straw. if it wasnt for my bank screwing me over right now, id be happy quitting on 4/5/06, but im gonna have to push it back towards the end of april sadly.

right now i got nothing going for me. im broke until the 31st, i hate my job now with a passion,store sucks in every aspect.

im only here to collect my hourly pay.


Ditto. It sucks.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillC81
venting is fine but releasing confidential and propritary information is not...also sitting there and just badmouthing your coworkers on a public forum is not the way to get problems solved either



i badmouth them face to face. ive gone to management and told them. nothing gets done.

trust me, this is the last place i go to post these vents.

then again i dont really care what willc81 has to say either. his opinions mean jack to me.



Posted by: elushon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
i badmouth them face to face. ive gone to management and told them. nothing gets done.

trust me, this is the last place i go to post these vents.

then again i dont really care what willc81 has to say either. his opinions mean jack to me.


Anyone else still looking for the proprietary information?

I have yet to see it.



Posted by: WillC81

Quote:
Originally Posted by elushon
Anyone else still looking for the proprietary information?

I have yet to see it.


http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...076&postcount=8



Posted by: rabisdogis

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillC81


Boo-f'ing hoo...get a life. If you don't like the post....don't read them!



Posted by: WillC81

Quote:
Originally Posted by rabisdogis
Boo-f'ing hoo...get a life. If you don't like the post....don't read them!


thats not the point dude...this is a competitive business...but hey thanks for the mature response...



Posted by: thejlw

Where is Alfred supposed to vent? Is he supposed to call his Mom and tell her everything? His Mom is going to say, 'Alfred, I have no idea what your talking about'.

Alfred and all the other stressed out employees of the different cellular providers need a place where they can go anonymously and talk to other people who can relate to what their dealing with. This is why there are employee forums on HoFo.



Posted by: MrAlifEkin

Don't bother with him. He seems to be one of the customers that browses the "AGENTS AND EMPLOYEES" forum and complains when he see something he doesn't like. I.E. looking for things to argue about to boost one's self-esteem.



Posted by: CingularZ

Sorry NRS then, My apologies

When you stated, "TOP BRASS".. I safely assumed you were referring to Cingular Top brass being your original response was to Alfreds complaint of Cingulars management.
But if you are just referring to any managment in general, then sorry.

If I misunderstood, then I take back my statement.



Posted by: dallison

good luck alfred.
i have also worked for blue since oct 2000. i was let go in august and just recently found a new job(not in the wireless industry)

it was a nice vacation, and i am a lot less stressed b/c of it.

i also HATED going in to work everyday.

i probably would have had a nervous breakdown form all the complaints, i would say 80% was complaints from customers.

but many of the veterans will eventually leave like yourself.


enjoy and good luck



Posted by: WillC81

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAlifEkin
Don't bother with him. He seems to be one of the customers that browses the "AGENTS AND EMPLOYEES" forum and complains when he see something he doesn't like. I.E. looking for things to argue about to boost one's self-esteem.



nah man no way...while I may not always tow the company line at the end of the day they pay my salary if they didnt I'd go elsewhere...and trashing your coworkers on the internet is a)not professional and b) against code of ethics...



Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillC81
nah man no way...while I may not always tow the company line at the end of the day they pay my salary if they didnt I'd go elsewhere...and trashing your coworkers on the internet is a)not professional and b) against code of ethics...


ETHICS?

dateline reported that 85% of porn was viewed on the internet between the hrs 9:00am to 5:00pm.

now one must ask what does this have to do with anything?

answer...go back to your original post and ask the same question.



Posted by: WillC81

you get back what you put into this job if you go in with a bad attitude your just gonna leave at the end of the day with an even worse attitude...and I've said many times to my coworkers "is dealing with the stuff you dont like doing worth what you get paid" if not then leave work is a challenge every day...and while I may not make what I used to make back in the day as a blue employee it still is enough...



Posted by: steva

I don't see what's so bad about the job. I'm in customer care, and it was hellish before, but once you get into the groove, you can handle customers no problem. all their problems, you've heard before, and have quick solutions to.
when i was back in training, my trainer told me that we had hired about 1000 people last year, but our workforce only grew by about 20-something. this has got to be one of the easiest jobs i've had (and you get to learn a lot of cool stuff.

I agree with alfred in some things like how we used to tell people we could not upgrade due to their contract and stuff like that, but now everyone is eligible. can't get your promos on cingular? welcome to reality. nobody's going to give you 1200 minutes for 39.99. people are starting to realize this, as many already have. it seems like customers are coming around more to the merger (although it has taken awhile) which makes things easier on reps as well.

hopefully when we become ATTW again it won't get everyone's feathers ruffled again.



Posted by: Alfred_Neuman

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillC81
you get back what you put into this job if you go in with a bad attitude your just gonna leave at the end of the day with an even worse attitude...and I've said many times to my coworkers "is dealing with the stuff you dont like doing worth what you get paid" if not then leave work is a challenge every day...and while I may not make what I used to make back in the day as a blue employee it still is enough...



it gets to the point where your co-workers are always late,sloppy,stores still in process of getting itself back together and you're the last person in that store of a group who rocked in sales,customer service and overall enjoyed doin what you did.

you obviously have never been put in my shoes and thats why you respond the way you are. this isn't about my commission. it's about the work enviroment. When you tried to escalate issues above you (manager and regional) and your issue is ignored what do you do?

yes i get pissed off when people show up late when they're supposed to open, yet im here at 9:30 to open. why am i putting so much effort in a place that's simply going down and showing no signs of improving?

imagine surrounding yourself for over a year with talented,hard working,dedicated and on time employees. now imagine all of this wiped clean right as the holiday season begins.

i used to absolutely love my job. there would be times i worked 7 days a week because i simply loved it. i would work open-close 7 days a week because i loved it. While i might not agree to the pay, the joy of working where i did made up for it.

I did all that because we were a "team" and friends too. i did whatever they asked me and they did the same for me. i Saw myself with the company for a good long time, not a temp job.

then it all went away, and those talented, dedicated,hard working, fun people (from management to co-workers) quit or moved on up. These people who made work so enjoyable got replaced by idiots who frankly don't enjoy their jobs like i did. They are messy (worse than me and I was sloppy a bit back then), dont know their rate plans (unlimited n&w on .25 prepaid? come on dude) and........always late.

I've tolerated this since november. things barely changed around here upto this day. I've been hussling to keep this place afloat. New manager for jan was basically not here. The one person who kept me somewhat sane to myself, was my assistant manager, because he was part of my original crew. He has since left on the same day this thread was made.

Now i have no reason to stay. this store is simply a sinking battle ship with a big hole, letting all the water go in. Ships filling in fast and frankly im not going to sit here and sink with it.

that was just part of my stress. add my personal life issues and i got a big plate of extreme stress. And ALL of this has been going on since november.

i'm glad i didnt hit rock bottom, but i am pretty close. The fun aspect of this job is not here anymore. i feel like my life is office space.

i could do what he did in that movie and frankly, nothign would change.

this is my final response to this thread and to wilc. i dont need to explain to you why i am the way i am.



Posted by: NRSForever

Quote:
Originally Posted by CingularZ
Sorry NRS then, My apologies

When you stated, "TOP BRASS".. I safely assumed you were referring to Cingular Top brass being your original response was to Alfreds complaint of Cingulars management.
But if you are just referring to any managment in general, then sorry.

If I misunderstood, then I take back my statement.


Thanks.....since I do not and have never worked for Cingular.....it would be more then a little unfair for me to speak on the company management. No problems here.



Posted by: xj911

Hey Alfred I think most of us here support your position, all of us former employees got fed up a long time ago, so to stay in your position for that length of time says alot about you, and you deserve better. Now, if people are content with getting bent over by there employer then more power to them!



Posted by: rabisdogis

Its cool Alfred...people who have never worked in wireless retail or in a busy store have no idea whats going on in the industry. I quit on 12-31-05 and I am still fighting to get my cra@ppy little $437 commission check. People get on here and give us s**t for posting internal information but isn't that what this site is for? Isn't this site meant to give people inside information on phones, plans and whatever else employees hear or see? Isn't this site meant to help people with their wireless problems? If not, then what is this site all about? Can anyone honestly answer that? Does anyone actually know the answer? The constant pissing and moaning over who said what is annoying. Alfred is leaving and has a right to come to Howardforums and rant. This isn't willc81forums. What howard says goes and guess what...howard says that internal information is welcome here! If you can't take it...then go to phonescoop. You may find that their forums are more to your liking. This Thread has finally become the same neverending pointless thread that we see every day where some know it all comes in and ruins it for everyone. Alfred has made well over 3500 posts while willc81 has a cool 40. Seems to me that this was Alfred's home first.



Posted by: WillC81

quality not quantity my friend...and big deal about wether insider information is welcome here(of course howard isnt going to to say no thats the type of stuff that drives traffic and in turn drives ad revenue for the site)...I've been with the company going on 2 and half years(which in no way makes me an expert) but I am knowledgeable and do spend a good part of each day researching phone news...alfred joined in May 2003 and I joined in Nov 2003 so he's got a whole 6 months on me...I don't spend my day at work sitting here posting about how the company has gone downhill and how my coworkers "suck"...I'm doing what a sales rep should do sell...and if a coworker wants to be late or lazy or what not then let them...I mean we are "commissioned" sales thats less chance for them to make money...and if you had a 437 dollar commission check in December then something is wrong and you might wanna reevaluate your job decision...



Posted by: rabisdogis

Quote:
Originally Posted by WillC81
and if you had a 437 dollar commission check in December then something is wrong and you might wanna reevaluate your job decision...


LOL...thats because I quit the company and came back. There were only two stores where I lived. A busy one (the one I quit) and a slow one. When I got rehired back on a few months after I had quit, I started working in a store that some days, only saw 3 people. No lie! I had a lot of time to spend on HF while working there. A $437 paycheck was considered high for that store being that our quota was 23! LOL. As far as comparing you to Alfred. I guess what I was really going for was participation. Although Alfred complained...a lot, LOL, he participated with his peers. We all learned a lot from him. The point of this thread was to say goodbye. If you don't like him, then don't post. This was for people who did like him who wanted to say farewell.



Posted by: mulletwireless

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
promises after promises, promoted but then backed down on said promotion and bunch of small issues that just keep on going, i've had enough.

i know a lot of you have read my posts, which always seemed to be bashing cingular. i know a lot of you asked yourselves "why hasnt this guy quit if he hates it so much?". I know a lot of you only saw me post negatively against the company as a whole.


I also know a few of you are thankful i did post some nice and useful information which i probably shouldn't have. I also know a few of you saw past my negative posts and saw my frustation along with many cingular reps who could only tell the world just how messed up things were/are.

Those those who did, i'd like to thank you.

Words expressed on a website such as howard forums can be seen as one thing, when in reality the tone and meaning to it is another. A lot of my posts seemed like i was complaining about the pay and other things; this is partially true. I did complain about pay for awhile until i realized things change all the time. IT did get worse for us, but now its getting better. The days of 4k commission checks just simply will not exist much longer in this industry. If we expect that, we're simply fooling ourselves. We're better off selling homes for that.

After all the ups and downs i have expierienced during my time with cingular wireless, i will never forget my time prior to the merger. I felt this was THE job i wanted for the rest of my life. I have always sold cingular wireless and truely believed in cingular. Funny how things change in us.

Sure i wasnt making 3-4k like other sales reps did.Money to me isnt end all be all. I loved my co-workers and management. I enjoyed my first ARSM because he was down to earth human being and understood our store so well. We did our best to help out any long time loyal customers; or atleast i did. Unfortunately, that wasn't something that would last for too long.

The buyout of AT&T wireless begun.

It almost feels like i've been working under the new AT&T since i begun. The merger did not make me feel like im employed by cingular wireless. I felt like i was under AT&T wireless who is going at full throttle to save itself but in the process of making sales reps lives worse than it was prior to the merger. It felt like the darkside of AT&T wireless arose after it got knocked down and said screw it to both their employees and customers who stuck around for this turnmoil. This included the locking of phones (cingular had unlocked tri and quad band phones), rate plan changes to those similar to verizon, commission cuts. This is after "cingular" ranted and raved how it's going to so much better for BOTH employees and customers.

And that my friends, is what i have felt since day #3. of post buyout. Morale for work can only be held up high upto a certain point. Most reps i know left because they simply could not deal with tons of idiotic policies aka protocols placed on us and because of paycuts. I stayed around because i didnt mind the paycut too much at this point. MY co-workers and management are what me happy to be there. I wont deny i was ticked that a cut came in, but then i realized i'll take my like for my job (which was going down and down) over money, because these people,my co-workers made it worth it to me.

Then, suddenly, end of the year rolls around and noone from my core group of people is left. The people who made life for me happier, who made me forget about the protocols, the Secreat shop.. they were gone. I'm now stuck with new people who simply just dont care about their jobs as i did. I did my best as a sales associate to train them, to make them knowledgable to my level, but that simply cannot be with them. Why? because they simply dont have the passion for this job as i did( remember, i love cellphones, i love the idea of BSC's, how things work,etc). That my friends, is what leads me to where i am today.

I applied for assistant manager, because ultimately my goal was to become a manager. somewhere in the process i got the job, but then i didn't. This is and was my last blow i can take. In the real world, i never showed my disgruntled faced about things, i did my best to make sure my store was running smoothly and that we had everything we needed. I'd make sure inventory was up to date, make sure we had everything clean and i trained the reps how to use opus( essentially trained them prior to their official training).

this brings us to my current time, as i type this. this took me over an hour to somewhat explain how my life with cingular has been. I did what cingular asked from me even if we didn't agree eye to eye. I've busted my arse making sure my place was running fine. I've put in more than 90 hrs in a week to make sure it was fine, but in the end, i ended up getting the shaft after all this.

overall, i'll thank cingular for the good times and the bad. they helped guide me out the door for the final time. Cingular has managed to make me go from loving this type of job, to flat out hating it, but in the end i'll thank them. While my window within this industry closes, a new one opens for me....in the IT field.

i know this is a long post, but for my final rant regarding cingular i needed/wanted to give those naysayers a glimpse into my life that i rode on. I was once a proud cingular wireless customer and now....i'm simply account #11,764,203 out of 54 million.

thank you all and good night.


only people in wireless biz making money are the master dealers/ direct dealers. I know there is a big risk you might fail and you have no net like a wage or base pay to land on, but if you loved the splat so much, apply to become a dealer! Beat the company stores at their own game...



Posted by: at&t_hitman

Location, location, location.

Some markets are so saturated, dealers are jokes. Especially since they typically don't guarantee any money. That and they are fighting with the dealer next to them, over which kiosk has superiority. In the many years I worked at dealers, both franchise and master I never had any real potential as far as money or stability. And although it is simply where I am, a dealer is nothing more then a revolving door.

I'm aware different parts of the country are better though. A dealer I worked for was operating out of New England and up there, they were incredibly powerful. They ran corporate stores out of the mall. But they actually had to completely shut down operations in the Mid Atlantic. It just wasn't competitive or profitible. But I stress as with anything else, it all depends on each individual. Everyone has different strengths and success.





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