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Originally Posted by Wiggum
Cingular has been a disaster for former non management blue employees. Maybe we just had it so good and this how the rest of the world is but I just can't accept that.
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
ill miss makin atleast 2,000/mo. but thats why im studyin my ccna; to makre more than 2,000/mo.
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Originally Posted by guapoharry
You mean Cisco Certified Network Associate? If so, do you have something lined up already?
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Originally Posted by spartacus13b
sorry to see you leave man, i hope you find greener pastures where you are going
I haven't really been extatic with the big C but it is still berable to work at most of the time, there has been some shaking around my region but overall that has been ok.... I am not sure what the whole AT&T thing will bring but I hope that it does notpush me over the edge. I like the job and the money I make for what I do but that can keep me happy for only so long.... |
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Originally Posted by thejlw
Alfred whatta you gunna do until you get your ccna?
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Originally Posted by ivwshane
The ironic thing is that I might be coming back!
Good luck in what ever you do alfred. |
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Originally Posted by thejlw
Alfred whatta you gunna do until you get your ccna?
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j/k alfred
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Originally Posted by anubis9278
i sorry to hear that you are leaving. good luck!!! gonna miss your posts
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Originally Posted by thejlw
Alfred whatta you gunna do until you get your ccna?
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
its not worth coming back. dont do it.
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
my brothers got a job lined up for once im ccna and get my mcp in xp and server 2k3.
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Originally Posted by guapoharry
Otherwise, I'd be wary. It depends on the market in your area, though. During and after the dot com boom, IT training suppliers came out of the woodwork promising big salaries. Government offered training money (grants) to people displaced by layoffs and declining industries. Then, picking up on the hype, high schools and community colleges started offering base training leading up to MCSE, MCP, CCNA, etc. After a glut of trained people was built up, employers required new-hires have experience in addition to the certification. Catch-22 How do you get experience w/o the job...? OTOH, that's a lot of work to get trained and pass the tests. After you get the CCNA (or 2MCPs), you might want to have a break before doing the rest. |
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Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
... that I would have diarrhea...
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
regarding the whole IT, its now more of who knows who. its what gets you a job and a good pay.
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Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
No - India didn't "steal" jobs from us.. the Unions in the US forced the employers to find cheaper alternatives to the existing employment practices. If Unions didn't encourage employers to keep substandard employees, working at the lowest standards of production and quality necessary - then the employers may be able to retain good employees and get rid of the lazy ones.. but, the lazy ones are protected by the almighty Union, so they get to keep their jobs, and the employer is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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Originally Posted by ChocoDough
If we were talking about blue collar workers then I would agree.
But IT professionals are White collar workers and are not unionized. |
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Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
So are you saying that Customer Care reps and Sales reps are Blue collar?
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Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
So are you saying that Customer Care reps and Sales reps are Blue collar?
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Originally Posted by gsmgprsfan
No - India didn't "steal" jobs from us.. the Unions in the US forced the employers to find cheaper alternatives to the existing employment practices. If Unions didn't encourage employers to keep substandard employees, working at the lowest standards of production and quality necessary - then the employers may be able to retain good employees and get rid of the lazy ones.. but, the lazy ones are protected by the almighty Union, so they get to keep their jobs, and the employer is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
regarding the whole IT, its now more of who knows who. its what gets you a job and a good pay.
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
whats funny to me now,is more of how i got screwed out of a promotion.
that was my final straw. if it wasnt for my bank screwing me over right now, id be happy quitting on 4/5/06, but im gonna have to push it back towards the end of april sadly. right now i got nothing going for me. im broke until the 31st, i hate my job now with a passion,store sucks in every aspect. im only here to collect my hourly pay. |
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Originally Posted by magiteck
Had you actually put in notice already? I'm surprised you were allowed to change your last-day.
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Originally Posted by WillC81
all I have to say is good riddance...I've never seen anyone who b****ed more than you did...if you don't like it dont let the door hit you where the good lord split you...you have constantly done nothing but give a bad face to Cingular...and while I may not agree with everything the company does I believe there is a time and a place for everything and a public forum is not the one for most of your posts...and it's rediculous to blame Blue management for most of your "problems" when in this area most of the management is orange...
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Originally Posted by CingularZ
Interesting, I guess if this is the best decision for you Alfred , then thats all that matters. Somehow though , I feel you have this need to post this because you are unsure of your move so you are perhaps asking for secondary advice?
I could be wrong.. but let me just say, you dont need to defend yourself of what you do. I think many misunderstand you because it seems that lately and prior, you have been a bit harsh on Cingular and majority of us would just respond with "Then why are you still there" ? Regardless, its your call , do what you have to do. I didnt read through this whole topic but someone had mentioned about CCNA? Im sorry but whoeva thinks the grass is greener on that side is sadly mistakened... IT is not exactly the strongest market imo. As for NRSforever, and the post above. I find it quite humorous for you to insult Cingular considering what happen with Nextel and what they did to many of their so called "hard working employees". That so called merger was a buyout in disguise. That so called unity was nothing but a takeover, The crap they pulled on my brother in law who is c-level management was just unbelievable.. Slowly it was Sprint and Nextel, then Sprint with Nextel, then Sprint .. Say goodbye Nextel. |
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Originally Posted by CingularZ
Interesting, I guess if this is the best decision for you Alfred , then thats all that matters. Somehow though , I feel you have this need to post this because you are unsure of your move so you are perhaps asking for secondary advice?
I could be wrong.. but let me just say, you dont need to defend yourself of what you do. I think many misunderstand you because it seems that lately and prior, you have been a bit harsh on Cingular and majority of us would just respond with "Then why are you still there" ? Regardless, its your call , do what you have to do. I didnt read through this whole topic but someone had mentioned about CCNA? Im sorry but whoeva thinks the grass is greener on that side is sadly mistakened... IT is not exactly the strongest market imo. As for NRSforever, and the post above. I find it quite humorous for you to insult Cingular considering what happen with Nextel and what they did to many of their so called "hard working employees". That so called merger was a buyout in disguise. That so called unity was nothing but a takeover, The crap they pulled on my brother in law who is c-level management was just unbelievable.. Slowly it was Sprint and Nextel, then Sprint with Nextel, then Sprint .. Say goodbye Nextel. |
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Originally Posted by WillC81
all I have to say is good riddance...I've never seen anyone who b****ed more than you did...if you don't like it dont let the door hit you where the good lord split you...you have constantly done nothing but give a bad face to Cingular...and while I may not agree with everything the company does I believe there is a time and a place for everything and a public forum is not the one for most of your posts...and it's rediculous to blame Blue management for most of your "problems" when in this area most of the management is orange...
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
whats funny to me now,is more of how i got screwed out of a promotion.
that was my final straw. if it wasnt for my bank screwing me over right now, id be happy quitting on 4/5/06, but im gonna have to push it back towards the end of april sadly. right now i got nothing going for me. im broke until the 31st, i hate my job now with a passion,store sucks in every aspect. im only here to collect my hourly pay. |
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Originally Posted by WillC81
venting is fine but releasing confidential and propritary information is not...also sitting there and just badmouthing your coworkers on a public forum is not the way to get problems solved either
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
i badmouth them face to face. ive gone to management and told them. nothing gets done.
trust me, this is the last place i go to post these vents. then again i dont really care what willc81 has to say either. his opinions mean jack to me. |
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Originally Posted by elushon
Anyone else still looking for the proprietary information?
I have yet to see it. |
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Originally Posted by WillC81
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Originally Posted by rabisdogis
Boo-f'ing hoo...get a life. If you don't like the post....don't read them!
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Originally Posted by MrAlifEkin
Don't bother with him. He seems to be one of the customers that browses the "AGENTS AND EMPLOYEES" forum and complains when he see something he doesn't like. I.E. looking for things to argue about to boost one's self-esteem.
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Originally Posted by WillC81
nah man no way...while I may not always tow the company line at the end of the day they pay my salary if they didnt I'd go elsewhere...and trashing your coworkers on the internet is a)not professional and b) against code of ethics...
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Originally Posted by WillC81
you get back what you put into this job if you go in with a bad attitude your just gonna leave at the end of the day with an even worse attitude...and I've said many times to my coworkers "is dealing with the stuff you dont like doing worth what you get paid" if not then leave work is a challenge every day...and while I may not make what I used to make back in the day as a blue employee it still is enough...
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Originally Posted by CingularZ
Sorry NRS then, My apologies
When you stated, "TOP BRASS".. I safely assumed you were referring to Cingular Top brass being your original response was to Alfreds complaint of Cingulars management. But if you are just referring to any managment in general, then sorry. If I misunderstood, then I take back my statement. |
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Originally Posted by WillC81
and if you had a 437 dollar commission check in December then something is wrong and you might wanna reevaluate your job decision...
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Originally Posted by Alfred_Neuman
promises after promises, promoted but then backed down on said promotion and bunch of small issues that just keep on going, i've had enough.
i know a lot of you have read my posts, which always seemed to be bashing cingular. i know a lot of you asked yourselves "why hasnt this guy quit if he hates it so much?". I know a lot of you only saw me post negatively against the company as a whole. I also know a few of you are thankful i did post some nice and useful information which i probably shouldn't have. I also know a few of you saw past my negative posts and saw my frustation along with many cingular reps who could only tell the world just how messed up things were/are. Those those who did, i'd like to thank you. Words expressed on a website such as howard forums can be seen as one thing, when in reality the tone and meaning to it is another. A lot of my posts seemed like i was complaining about the pay and other things; this is partially true. I did complain about pay for awhile until i realized things change all the time. IT did get worse for us, but now its getting better. The days of 4k commission checks just simply will not exist much longer in this industry. If we expect that, we're simply fooling ourselves. We're better off selling homes for that. After all the ups and downs i have expierienced during my time with cingular wireless, i will never forget my time prior to the merger. I felt this was THE job i wanted for the rest of my life. I have always sold cingular wireless and truely believed in cingular. Funny how things change in us. Sure i wasnt making 3-4k like other sales reps did.Money to me isnt end all be all. I loved my co-workers and management. I enjoyed my first ARSM because he was down to earth human being and understood our store so well. We did our best to help out any long time loyal customers; or atleast i did. Unfortunately, that wasn't something that would last for too long. The buyout of AT&T wireless begun. It almost feels like i've been working under the new AT&T since i begun. The merger did not make me feel like im employed by cingular wireless. I felt like i was under AT&T wireless who is going at full throttle to save itself but in the process of making sales reps lives worse than it was prior to the merger. It felt like the darkside of AT&T wireless arose after it got knocked down and said screw it to both their employees and customers who stuck around for this turnmoil. This included the locking of phones (cingular had unlocked tri and quad band phones), rate plan changes to those similar to verizon, commission cuts. This is after "cingular" ranted and raved how it's going to so much better for BOTH employees and customers. And that my friends, is what i have felt since day #3. of post buyout. Morale for work can only be held up high upto a certain point. Most reps i know left because they simply could not deal with tons of idiotic policies aka protocols placed on us and because of paycuts. I stayed around because i didnt mind the paycut too much at this point. MY co-workers and management are what me happy to be there. I wont deny i was ticked that a cut came in, but then i realized i'll take my like for my job (which was going down and down) over money, because these people,my co-workers made it worth it to me. Then, suddenly, end of the year rolls around and noone from my core group of people is left. The people who made life for me happier, who made me forget about the protocols, the Secreat shop.. they were gone. I'm now stuck with new people who simply just dont care about their jobs as i did. I did my best as a sales associate to train them, to make them knowledgable to my level, but that simply cannot be with them. Why? because they simply dont have the passion for this job as i did( remember, i love cellphones, i love the idea of BSC's, how things work,etc). That my friends, is what leads me to where i am today. I applied for assistant manager, because ultimately my goal was to become a manager. somewhere in the process i got the job, but then i didn't. This is and was my last blow i can take. In the real world, i never showed my disgruntled faced about things, i did my best to make sure my store was running smoothly and that we had everything we needed. I'd make sure inventory was up to date, make sure we had everything clean and i trained the reps how to use opus( essentially trained them prior to their official training). this brings us to my current time, as i type this. this took me over an hour to somewhat explain how my life with cingular has been. I did what cingular asked from me even if we didn't agree eye to eye. I've busted my arse making sure my place was running fine. I've put in more than 90 hrs in a week to make sure it was fine, but in the end, i ended up getting the shaft after all this. overall, i'll thank cingular for the good times and the bad. they helped guide me out the door for the final time. Cingular has managed to make me go from loving this type of job, to flat out hating it, but in the end i'll thank them. While my window within this industry closes, a new one opens for me....in the IT field. i know this is a long post, but for my final rant regarding cingular i needed/wanted to give those naysayers a glimpse into my life that i rode on. I was once a proud cingular wireless customer and now....i'm simply account #11,764,203 out of 54 million. thank you all and good night. |
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