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Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

Very nice!

Posted by: Omega2008

No wi-fi kills it for me but its still a nice phone for the price, thats for sure.

Posted by: eimajuno

WTF is up with that fin on the top. No bueno.

Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

No wi-fi kills it for me but its still a nice phone for the price, thats for sure.

I'm still thinking that device has WiFi. The thing on top leads me to believe it does....

If you compare that to the C600 it doesn't have such hump.

Here is a link to the TMobile device that has the same hump and it HAS wifi...

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4398.html

Posted by: Omega2008

Interesting info, thanks. It would be great if it did but over at MGN a member had a test unit and it did not have wi-fi...so the mystery is still there I guess.

Posted by: gps

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Originally Posted by nskgti23

Again, I'm just going off of a launch doc for the info. WiFi is not mentioned in the description and on one of the last pages, it lists a "Devise Positioning" chart. Underneath the 2125, is says "No integrated 802.11b".

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

Interesting info, thanks. It would be great if it did but over at MGN a member had a test unit and it did not have wi-fi...so the mystery is still there I guess.

Is that the same pic that showed blank spaces where the wifi selections would normally be??? I think I saw that pic.

Posted by: Omega2008

Yeah....and it didn't have the hump either it looks like. So I don't know whats up with that. Hopefully it will have wi-fi or at least the hardware for it and its just disabled.

Posted by: nskgti23

Alright compare these two pictures...

Device w/ WiFi with hump

C600 w/o WiFi w/o hump

The device at the top has the same hump...

Posted by: CeluGeek

Yet another candybar WM smartphone.

Posted by: CeluGeek

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Originally Posted by eimajuno

WTF is up with that fin on the top. No bueno.

It's a spoiler.

Posted by: nskgti23

Look at the top of this picture, it has the hump also. The C600 does NOT have the hump...

Posted by: gps

Oh, I hear ya. Did you get this pic from MGN? I believe in the same thread, there was a pic of the device that had two blank location where the WiFi icon would normally show up. Now, that might just be a test/demo device. However, all I have to go by is that doc and there's no mention of it having WiFi. There IS mention of it not having it.

Hey, I hope it does have WiFi. To be honest, if the device has WiFi, I'll get it. If it doesn't, then I'll probably get the 8125.

Posted by: I have a phone

negative on wifi

Posted by: mademan118

how makes this device?

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by mademan118

how makes this device?

A company in Taiwan named HTC.

Posted by: mademan118

oh i see thanks.. How is the quality of the product? Has anyone had any experience with this company? I am looking for my first smart phone, and i like the prices of this phone. Although the 8125 looks nice.

Posted by: nskgti23

Do you work for Cingular? If so contact me via PM. We can talk....

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

Oh, I hear ya. Did you get this pic from MGN? I believe in the same thread, there was a pic of the device that had two blank location where the WiFi icon would normally show up. Now, that might just be a test/demo device. However, all I have to go by is that doc and there's no mention of it having WiFi. There IS mention of it not having it.

Hey, I hope it does have WiFi. To be honest, if the device has WiFi, I'll get it. If it doesn't, then I'll probably get the 8125.

Posted by: triple5soul8781

350$ no contract isnt bad at all. I mihgt just get this around christmas time

Posted by: mar2k

While I don't beleive the 2125 will have Wifi, WTF is up with that hump, Cingular? Did they buy the wrong casings from HTC or change the spec at the last minute?

Bummed about lack of Wifi on 2125, I knew it was too good to be true when it was rumored that it WOULD have Wifi...

Is i-mate selling the SP5 in the US through any online retailers yet? I'm sure its a preorder situation but I am curious the price premium. An extra $100 for Wifi is worth it to me........

Posted by: Caiman1900

If the hump on the top is an antenna I hope it helps this phone and gives it better reception than the 5600.

Posted by: zachavm

What happened to the original picture for this post? I don't see it.

edit: Nevermind, I see it now

Zach

Posted by: Caiman1900

Its still there for me

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by mar2k

WTF is up with that hump, Cingular?

cingular doesn't build the devices or design them

Posted by: DLinK

Looks very nice to me... I don't think I would need wifi anyways. Thanks for the pics guys... I am thinking of switching to cingular... this phone looks good to me.

Posted by: lopezpm

I can't wait for this phone. Where did this info come from and has it been confirmed? I just returned the Mpx220 I had for 2 weeks cause of the earpiece volume and speakerphone. I was just going to stay with Sprint but now that this is almost here I'm going to have to try Cingular again.

Posted by: lopezpm

One more thing, will there be a no camera model out?

Posted by: LS1GOAT

What kind of deals do you guys think will be available through online retailers like letstalk.com?

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by lopezpm

One more thing, will there be a no camera model out?

Haven't heard of one.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by LS1GOAT

What kind of deals do you guys think will be available through online retailers like letstalk.com?

Well, some of them give just about everything away for free if you basically sign your life away. I'm sure the same will hold true with this.

However, Cingular has just implemented an Exclusive Handset agreement. It basically states that if you are a retailer who carries 3 or more competitors (Cingular plus Verizon/Nextel/Alltel/Sprint/TMobile, etc.), you will NOT be able to carry any Cingular Exclusive phones (like the Razr used to be, or the ROKR right now...I think the black RAZR still might be exclusive to Cingular). I think the 2125 and 8100/25 phones will be deemed EXCLUSIVE. So, you might not be able to get the same deals from the bozos online.

Posted by: mbranscum

OK guys...here's what Engadget is saying about the hump...

"Not sure whether or not Cingular will be offering the 2125 with WiFi, but there is an optional WiFi attachment which the 2125 pictured does appear to be rocking (it’s that hump-like antenna thingy on the top)."

http://engadget.com/entry/1234000437066237/#comments

It appears to be removable.

Posted by: Omega2008

Removable Wi-fi module.....thats neat.

But I see a problem with that. Well several. Of couse the following is all speculation.

If the Wi-fi radio is removable then that means that Cingular could and probably will sell it as an accessory. Which would suck for some people and would be great for others. Mainly because some people may not want Wi-fi and if they decide in the future they do, they don't have to go get another phone they just by the module.

I do not know if the wi-fi module is actually removable, but I can find out. If it is, that would be something different thats for sure.

EDIT: After talking to some sources it seems that it is NOT removable but again I am not totally sure.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

I dunno about all that. I dont think that Hump is removable. Omega, if you look at the photo Supernub posted of the back of the 2125 you can clearly see the phone flows right up into the hump. I read that artical from engadget a couple days ago and I'm not sure that their source is accurate. I could be wrong but when you look at the back of the 2125 it all looks like one piece, hump and all.

*Oh right.. Guess I didn't read all the way through.

Posted by: quillhill

I've read through the thread a few times, so pardon me for missing this in my excitement ... but when the heck is this coming out? Because along with the Nokia 6682, w600 and BB 8700, I want. And I have to make a decision. So, darnit, come out already. Wow, I can't believe I just said any of that. Who am I and what have I done with myself?

Posted by: Omega2008

If Cingular keeps there act together, expect it Nov. 18th.

Posted by: LS1GOAT

So if that hump isn't the "removable wifi", then what is it? I couldn't see them just changing the design just for the hell of it.

Posted by: Omega2008

Well its where the wi-fi module would be at. The question is, is it in the hump and just disabled by the ROM or is the hardware actually missing and they just left the hump. All I know is wi-fi is not enabled on this device, it is either missing the wi-fi radio or it is disabled or not implemented in the ROM.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

Well its where the wi-fi module would be at. The question is, is it in the hump and just disabled by the ROM or is the hardware actually missing and they just left the hump. All I know is wi-fi is not enabled on this device, it is either missing the wi-fi radio or it is disabled or not implemented in the ROM.

It might not be possible, but this screams "Hack me!!!!"...if WiFi is semi-disabled.

Posted by: LS1GOAT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

What I don't understand is why they'd add it on the 2125 when it wasn't on the c600 if it doesn't have wifi enabled. It'd be even stranger if they added the hump but left out the hardware for it.

Posted by: Omega2008

Thats Cingular for you.....its a varrient of the c600, It may look the same but it maybe a different varrient. In any case we will see.

Posted by: rkdiddy

We can only hope it is present but disabled. It wouldn't make since to have the hump for no reason. The thing I don't understand is Qtek doesn't have the hump and it has wifi...

Posted by: LS1GOAT

When should we be seeing some previews hitting the net?

Posted by: one elite ace

didnt someone have pictures in another thread that showed the connections screen having a gap where the Wi-Fi would be empty and the first connection the 2125 shows is bluetooth but is numbered #2 or something to that effect... which would suggest it is locked out by hardware?

Posted by: Omega2008

No that would suggest that its disabled by the ROM, which would be a lockout from the software. However if the lump is there and there isn't any actual wi-fi hardware then there will be no way to hack it to get it to work. I am sure myself and many others can enable it if its just disabled in the ROM.

Posted by: mjrkjm

ok
first lets get this phone already....
2nd: whoever said this phone and the 8100/8125 is an exclusive is wrong
tmobile will be getting both of these phones, in different variants of course, sometime in the next few months but details are few and far between
so these phones can be offered by retailers that retail more than 3 different phone companies
can't decide if i want the 2125 or 8125 whew, what to do

Posted by: nskgti23

An exclusive can be over a period of time... Unless TMobile is releasing these devices in the next couple week, I would guess they won't have them until early next year. That would allow time for a 90 day "exclusive"...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjrkjm

ok
first lets get this phone already....
2nd: whoever said this phone and the 8100/8125 is an exclusive is wrong
tmobile will be getting both of these phones, in different variants of course, sometime in the next few months but details are few and far between
so these phones can be offered by retailers that retail more than 3 different phone companies
can't decide if i want the 2125 or 8125 whew, what to do

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by one elite ace

didnt someone have pictures in another thread that showed the connections screen having a gap where the Wi-Fi would be empty

Yes, MGN has that pic.

Posted by: LS1GOAT

Why is the picture posted in this thread different than the picture of the 2100/2125 that was accidentally leaked on the Cingular site? http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000217064619/

Posted by: lopezpm

It looks the same to me except for the screen being on and it looks like the casing is a little darker.

Posted by: LS1GOAT

And the phone on the Cingular site is missing the mysterious "wifi hump".

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by LS1GOAT

Why is the picture posted in this thread different than the picture of the 2100/2125 that was accidentally leaked on the Cingular site? http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000217064619/

The tiny picture that was on the Cingular site is simply a different picture, that's all. The one that was in the release document had the hump. That's the one I posted. One version could have WiFi, while the other one might not.

Tomorrow is our data call, so HOPEFULLY I'll be able to find out something about these new Cingular branded devices then. It I do, I'll post the info tomorrow night.

Posted by: CyberMoto

Quote:

Originally Posted by eimajuno

WTF is up with that fin on the top. No bueno.

Looks like a loop antena.

Posted by: Copernicus325

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

If Cingular keeps there act together, expect it Nov. 18th.

Hahaha... the day the roadmap is accurate, wheee.....

Posted by: mar2k

I'm still thinking the bump makes little sense with this being otherwise the same phone as the c600...

I'm still quietly hoping that the bump is for Wifi and Cingular has it disabled in the ROM somehow - as if they originally were OK with the Wifi and then decided later on to not include it and disabled it. I'm sure someone will have it working within a week if the hardware is there...

Posted by: freemz

Quote:

Originally Posted by mar2k

I'm still thinking the bump makes little sense with this being otherwise the same phone as the c600...

I'm still quietly hoping that the bump is for Wifi and Cingular has it disabled in the ROM somehow - as if they originally were OK with the Wifi and then decided later on to not include it and disabled it. I'm sure someone will have it working within a week if the hardware is there...

Can't someone out there check and confirm the hardware question? Supernub, gps, anyone?

Posted by: locogrande

hey guys, new here.

I currently have verizon in NYC but looking to switch to cingular since verizon's phones suck so badly.

i like the looks of the 2125 but I dont know much about WM5. i'm more into it because of the screen size and build - 5600 feels solid and i like the thin, cnady bar form factor.

anyone care to enlighten me on anything else about the phone, specifically Wm5, thats important? not sure about using the phone for email or internet

Posted by: LS1GOAT

Why isn't there a Pre-Release sticky for the 2125?

Posted by: jrwoods

Quote:

Originally Posted by LS1GOAT

Why isn't there a Pre-Release sticky for the 2125?

Good point. I think this phone will be popular enough to warrant a sticky...

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemz

Can't someone out there check and confirm the hardware question? Supernub, gps, anyone?

I'm still holding firm to my belief, or interpretation of specs, that this phone will NOT have WiFi. That's just my opinion, not fact. It CLEARLY states on the documents that this phone does not have WiFi.

Sorry. I hope the documents are wrong. Hey, I want this phone badly, but I'll opt for the 8125 if the 2125 doesn't have WiFi. It means that much to me.

Posted by: bartolo5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

No wi-fi kills it for me but its still a nice phone for the price, thats for sure.

What's the big deal about having WiFi in a cellphone like this?

Posted by: bartolo5

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

.......
EDGE class 10 – wireless data @ 70 to 135 kbps
.......

Shouldn't an EDGE class 10 device hit 200+ kbps?

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartolo5

What's the big deal about having WiFi in a cellphone like this?

Have you ever used an MPx 220 or SMT5600? I can only assume you haven't. The browsers on those phones are small, but they're fabulous...even using GPRS. Is would be so nice to surf the web at broadband speed with this device.

The 2125 with EDGE will be nice, but.........

EDIT: Well, I see you do use an SMT. You shouldn't be asking a question like this then.

Imagine using that phone with broadband speed? C'mon man.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartolo5

Shouldn't an EDGE class 10 device hit 200+ kbps?

No, just like a 56K modem never hit 56K.

Posted by: bartolo5

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

No, just like a 56K modem never hit 56K.

My Sony Ericsson GC82 EDGE card is class 10 and doess 200kbits+

Posted by: TradeViceroy

Well, the documents may say wifi is not there. However, the documents don't say if the wifi is disabled by firmware or removed altogether. Simply saying "Phone not equipped with wifi" isn't going to cut it. The two main things leading people to believe it's firmware disabled.....

1. The Cingular 2125 has a hump at the top of it. Compared to the C600 (no native wifi in the hardware) which has the same case, but no hump. People believe that hump could contain the wifi module. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of it?

2. Cingular's firmware for the phone has a big blank spot for wifi in the connection settings. Here's the photo: http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/7955/dsc005709bq.jpg
Basically, they didn't even bother to fix the graphics and remove the blank space. Current thinking is that there is something in the firmware that is simply removing the item from public view. It's kind of the same principle with network selection on Cingular SIM cards. Take a Motorola v551 for example. Normally, you have access to the network selection functions, but once you insert a Cingular SIM card into one, you lose those functions (they disappear off the selection menu).

There have been countless phones and PDAs offered by carriers that had features that were either locked down by firmware or software. People easily re-enabled those features by "hacking" into the code and turning them back on. It's a time honored tradition in the tech world.

Posted by: bartolo5

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

Imagine using that phone with broadband speed? C'mon man.

Well, if WIFI was everywhere yeah, I would see a point, but If I have to be looking for a hotspot anywhere I go doesn't sound so interesting. EDGE gives me connectivity anywhere.. not WiFi.
And when I'm at home, I'l browse with my laptop with WiFI yeah.. no need for WiFi then on my phone.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Does anyone know if the c600 has EDGE???

Posted by: CeluGeek

I wonder why these Cingular-branded HTC phones do not appear in Phonescoop. I'm thinking about getting this one, given the fact no new clamshells are expected anytime soon. I don't mind about having WI-FI or not, and I think the spoiler is kinda interesting.

Posted by: tendura

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinguliano

I wonder why these Cingular-branded HTC phones do not appear in Phonescoop. I'm thinking about getting this one, given the fact no new clamshells are expected anytime soon. I don't mind about having WI-FI or not, and I think the spoiler is kinda interesting.

Good question.

Posted by: exchguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkdiddy

Does anyone know if the c600 has EDGE???

Yes, the Cingular 2125 has EDGE. I don't think Cingular will release anything without EDGE these days.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Thanks...I actually was referring to the Orange version. I did a little research and discovered it does. Just checking out all of my options...

Peace!

Posted by: taveanator

I'd take a better signal over Wi-Fi if the reception is anything like the 5600.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by exchguy

I don't think Cingular will release anything without EDGE these days.

The brand spanking new RAZR V3i doesn't have EDGE. Why? B/C Moto is getting lazy and resting on their laurels. It's my hope that this will soon bite them in the "rear".

There are a lot of phones that don't have EDGE. To be honest, phone manufacturers have about another 6-12 months to implement EDGE before it'll almost be obsolete. For GSM, UMTS and HSPDA are going to be the "IT" thing.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinguliano

I wonder why these Cingular-branded HTC phones do not appear in Phonescoop.

Because HoFo out-scooped them.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartolo5

My Sony Ericsson GC82 EDGE card is class 10 and doess 200kbits+

I've used a GC82 with AT&T and a GC83 with Cingular. NEVER have I obtained speeds of 200 kbps. Actually, I was using a GC82 before EDGE was actually released to the public, so I was competing with nobody and still didn't reach near that speed. I think the fastest connection I ever received was about 170.

What site are you testing your speed on? If you want a really accurate speed test, you need to visit http://miranda.ctd.anl.gov:7123/. Fire up your GC card and visit that site. Post your results. I'm curious.

Posted by: bartolo5

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

a few things things. Performance of my card is different on the orange network than blue. On orange it maxes out at 160kbps, on blue i can hit 200kbps.
I dont use any website to test speed, i just download a file from an ftp site and measure the time it takes to come down. Signal has to be good and you shouldnt be moving to hit 200kbps, it signal degrades or you are moving you'll get way less than that.

Posted by: squeeze

Such a great phone. Love GSM and flexibility to change and swap units.

But man...I tell ya' 890kbps on Verizon's EVDO with my Samsung i730 is really nice - even better once you tether to the Powerbook.

**
Samsung i730 VZW EVDO
Palm Treo 650 World TMO

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartolo5

I'm no computer expert, but I think you'd have a few people questioning your method of testing speed. Go to that site I posted above and test it...just for the heck of it.

Regardless, the service seems to be really good for ya and you're enjoying it. That's the main point.

Posted by: mas2k

is the 11/18 release date confirmed i need tho get a new phone in the next week cause i m borrowing one from friend

Posted by: Mark Larson

Quote:

Originally Posted by taveanator

I'd take a better signal over Wi-Fi if the reception is anything like the 5600.

Its not an either-or. The reception is a wholly different module from the wifi module.

Posted by: bartolo5

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

I'm not sure what can be more trustworthy that actually getting a file from either ftp or http, that at the end of the day are your real download speeds, more than lab speed tests. But yes, I'll give that website a try to see what I get.. I'll post the results here.

Posted by: bartolo5

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

Results of the test (http://miranda.ctd.anl.gov:7123/) with my SonyEricsson GC82 EDGE card are:

Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 77.67Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 165.97kb/s
Warning! Client time-out while reading data, possible duplex mismatch exists

Right after this test I proceeded to download firefox, a 4.98MiB download that took 215 seconds to come down. ( 5,223,144 bytes * 8 ) / 215 = 194349. Therefore real world speeds I got in this test were around 195kbps - 24KiB/s which interestingly are higher that the above lab test.

While downloading firefox I noticed that the download started really slow and it took around 25 seconds to go full speed of 25KiB/s. This could explain the difference between the previous test, that will smaller download runs, never gets to go all the way. I'd assume this behaviour is somehow related to TCP/IP sending windows, but I dont have that much insight into it.

Additionally here are ping tests to news.yahoo.com using this card and no other apps running.
Pinging dailynews.yahoo2.akadns.net [68.142.194.21] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 68.142.194.21: bytes=32 time=343ms TTL=45
Reply from 68.142.194.21: bytes=32 time=363ms TTL=45
Reply from 68.142.194.21: bytes=32 time=323ms TTL=45
Reply from 68.142.194.21: bytes=32 time=346ms TTL=45

Ping statistics for 68.142.194.21:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 323ms, Maximum = 363ms, Average = 343ms

Extra info about this tests. Performed in the SF Bay Area, Saturday Nov 12 2005 at 9.20pm. Network used, blue network 310-380,

Posted by: rperalta

Can we keep this thread exclusively for the release of the Cingular HTC 2125? If you look at it it's mixed with different topics. Speed connection should be in a different thread. It's just a thought ...

Thanks,
rperalta

Posted by: dmunjal

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

Imagine using that phone with broadband speed? C'mon man.

I have an Imate SP5m (almost exactly the same phone) with Wifi and I can tell you the best you're going to get is 500kbps over Wifi. Far from broadband speeds. Not a limitation of the Wifi but of the phone to process that much data.

Posted by: Slimmy

Can I just go into the Cingular store and buy the 2125 when it comes out, with no contract?

Or possibly order it online somewhere?

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmunjal

Give me 500kbps ALL DAY LONG! I'd take a steady 350. I mean, I'm not downloading or uploading any files or anything. For browsing, 500 is more than enough.

Posted by: .7

OP updated to fit sticky profile

Posted by: bartolo5

Does someone know if this phone will include an spanish dictionary with T9? Cingular lobotomized the SMT5600 by removing all other dictionaries other than english. I had the ATTWS SMT5600 before and had both of them..

Posted by: rkdiddy

Any news today? It's the week of the 16th...just wondering if anyone out there has any new information. Don't the stores usually take delivery today and tomorrow?

Just thought I would ask...

Peace!

Posted by: CeluGeek

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartolo5

Does someone know if this phone will include an spanish dictionary with T9? Cingular lobotomized the SMT5600 by removing all other dictionaries other than english. I had the ATTWS SMT5600 before and had both of them..

They did the same thing with the MPx220. I hope they don't neuter these HTC handsets the same way, but I don't have many hopes. I did write to Cingular to complain about that though.

Posted by: CeluGeek

Quote:

Originally Posted by bartolo5

They did the same thing with the MPx220. I hope they don't neuter these HTC handsets the same way, but I don't have too much hope. I did write to Cingular to complain about what they did with the MPx220 though.

Posted by: mbranscum

The SMT5600 shows a TI 200Mhz processor. The new phone shows a TI OMAP 850 200 MHz Processor.

Is the new phone going to be faster or about the same?

Posted by: kdenninger

I'm hoping Cingular will sell me one at their off-contract price and immediately give me the SIM unlock code for it. If so, they'll have a sale......

Posted by: mbranscum

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

I'm hoping Cingular will sell me one at their off-contract price and immediately give me the SIM unlock code for it. If so, they'll have a sale......

Sorry but that won't happen.

Posted by: jrwoods

u can buy, but no code

Posted by: kdenninger

Well, then I just have to get a friend with Cing service to buy and request the code - since they're on contract and have been, they'll give it to them.

This is kinda stupid of Cingular - if its a non-subsidized handset price, they're making money on the sale. You sure don't attract a potential new customer by telling 'em to pizz off when they want to transact a profitable transaction (for you as a business)!

Posted by: jrwoods

If you are truly interested in Cingular, then you port. If you want an unlocked version, then you buy an unlocked version from an importer such as expansys or importgsm and move on.
Verizon won't sell a Sprint customer a phone so that he can use it on Sprint and vice versa.
Cingulars primary job is to sell you service and the phone. If you want the phone only, then they won't do that unless you are a customer first and I can't really blame them...

Posted by: bartolo5

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinguliano

I wonder what could possibly be the reason for removing dictionaries from the official HTC handslets. Less features to support? Sounds like it could be the same this time around...

Posted by: mbranscum

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

This is kinda stupid of Cingular - if its a non-subsidized handset price, they're making money on the sale. You sure don't attract a potential new customer by telling 'em to pizz off when they want to transact a profitable transaction (for you as a business)!

You're showing your lack of knowledge about how cell phone companies work. First of all, if you're not a Cingular customer, they don't have to sell you anything. Second, they make money from contracts, not non-subsidized sales. You're asking them to unlock their equipment, that your provider doesn't have, so that you can take it and use it on the competitions service.

If you want the benifits from Cingular, I suggest you port.

Posted by: kdenninger

A non-subsidized price is a non-subsidized price.

They don't have to sell it to me, and I don't have to buy it from them! I can either wait for a better deal elsewhere or buy unlocked in the first place.

If they are willing to sell non-subsidized they obviously are making money on the phone. Their "non-sub'd" prices are NOT "specials" only for their "great customers."

Of course "attitude", especially snotty attitudes, are a great way to turn people off and insure they don't buy from you... now or in the future.

No problem guy - if Cing doesn't want the bizness, I sure ain't gonna try to force it on them! BTW, Cingular corporate stores also like to lie about activating service no-contract (which I KNOW they can do) around here..... gee, how ya gonna sell me something when you keep refusing to sell what I know you offer, and then get snotty at the same time?

Posted by: dstrauss

kdenninger:

You're missing one variable to your equation - this phone (at the proposed $325-349 price) IS SUBSIDIZED, even for a no commitment deal. Look at the overseas price to bring an SP5 onshore - $650 at most outlets. Granted, that gets you WiFi, but I still don't see the advantage of WiFi on a non-touchscreen interface.

Posted by: kdenninger

What 'ya smoking?

The listed price virtually everywhere is $500 WITH the Wifi module. And that's allowing a profit for the folks in the middle.....

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

What 'ya smoking?

The listed price virtually everywhere is $500 WITH the Wifi module. And that's allowing a profit for the folks in the middle.....

Guess I must have looked in the wrong places.

Expansys was $600.74 today.

iMate phone store is $649.

Where'd you see $500?

Posted by: Omega2008

That is called fraud. Cingular doesn't have to give you any code if you are not their customer....besides, they will not give you the unlock code for the phone unless the IMEI number you are requesting the unlock code for is on the account of the customer. So your friend will not be able to help you.

Posted by: kdenninger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

That is called fraud. Cingular doesn't have to give you any code if you are not their customer....besides, they will not give you the unlock code for the phone unless the IMEI number you are requesting the unlock code for is on the account of the customer. So your friend will not be able to help you.

No its not.

They're buying the phone on their account, and will use it on their account. How do you think all those phones that are Cingular and "used" end up on eBAY?

I can pay you to buy and use a phone, then give it to me. There's nothing fraudulent or illegal about that, and there is not a thing wrong with it.

This is why its STUPID for Cingular to refuse to give me the code though if I buy at "full retail" - they have no way to keep it from being unlocked by one of their customers who purchases the phone, then sells it to me. Indeed, attempting to prevent their customer from selling it to me is illegal under federal law as an illegal restraint of trade, and they can get nailed criminally for that.

Quote:

Where'd you see $500?

Madmonkeyboy. Pre-order right now, but same phone (different cover - either the SP5 or SP5m at that price, depending on whether you want the dedicated music keys or not. Both have Wifi and are other than the keypad and cosmetics are identical to the 2125)

He's paying import duty AND providing a 2-year warranty as well for that price - twice the "standard" one year. Price out what an extra year of "handset protection" costs and then tell me which way puts you ahead.....

Posted by: Omega2008

Well you didn't say you was going to do that. I thought you was going to buy the phone outright and give the IMEI number to your friend.

Posted by: kdenninger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

Well you didn't say you was going to do that. I thought you was going to buy the phone outright and give the IMEI number to your friend.

Reading for content is important. What I said originally was:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

Well, then I just have to get a friend with Cing service to buy and request the code - since they're on contract and have been, they'll give it to them.

(emphasis mine)

What part of "buy and request the code" is ambiguous?

Your apology for accusing me of intending to commit fraud can be tendered any time you'd like.

Posted by: Biochemlab

Oh puh-lease...

How about he simply misunderstood you and was trying to keep your tail out of trouble...

Posted by: kdenninger

I don't think he misunderstood anything.

I think he read what he wanted to read, instead of what was written. Kinda common if you're acting irrationally - or have a stake of some kind in it being done "your way".

That's ok - I wrote a nice letter via Planetfeedback on my experience with these questions (and my attempt to buy no-contract service) today in a Corporate store. We'll see what comes back from that.

Posted by: Omega2008

The only thing I am going to tender you is the fact that I read what you said, no where in that statement did you say "I could just give my friend the money for the phone and he can get the unlock code since he is a cingular customer". That is totally different from saying "I am going to buy the phone and ask Cingular for the SIM code" To me that implies that you are going to buy the phone and ask Cingular for the SIM code and if that doesn't work like you said, you will just get your friend to do it. That is how I interpreted it, sorry that you feel that I am trying to bust your chops. Next time I won't say anything, since learning the hard way is the path that many people tend to take.

Posted by: kdenninger

Why would I learn the hard way?

I'm not going to buy anything unless I know it can be or is unlocked. From anyone. And I will get that in writing, or get the code, before I leave the store.

If that's not forthcoming, then I won't buy. But a friend of mine might, with my money, get the code, and then hand me the phone. Perfectly legal.

Or, I may choose instead to buy unlocked in the first place, since I CAN, I don't get the crippled and branded crap that way, and while it costs a BIT more, I also get a second year of warranty coverage in the deal.

And since Cingular will have, in that case, earned ZERO loyalty from me, guess what their odds are of selling me service to go with that phone?

Hint: You'd do better betting on a 100:1 longshot in the Derby than taking that wager.

Posted by: Omega2008

Don't know why you would want to learn the hard way, not my goal to determine that. I was just stating some facts, just incase you where going to choose the route I described. That is all. Just in case you didn't know. That is it, thats all it was ment for.

I am done discussing it. Thanks anyways.

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

...Madmonkeyboy. Pre-order right now, but same phone (different cover - either the SP5 or SP5m at that price, depending on whether you want the dedicated music keys or not. Both have Wifi and are other than the keypad and cosmetics are identical to the 2125)

He's paying import duty AND providing a 2-year warranty as well for that price - twice the "standard" one year. Price out what an extra year of "handset protection" costs and then tell me which way puts you ahead.....

Thanks for the heads up - he has a good reputation, but I wonder how long it will be before he can get delivery.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

I wish him the best of luck getting a code out of Cingular...customer or no customer. I freakin' work for the yahoos and they wouldn't give me an unlock code for my AT&T branded phone when we merged. I had to pay $30 to some guy so their Cingular SIM card would work in my phone.

Posted by: taveanator

Hey GPS- are we still looking at the 18th for the 2125?

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

Reading for content is important. What I said originally was:

(emphasis mine)

What part of "buy and request the code" is ambiguous?

Your apology for accusing me of intending to commit fraud can be tendered any time you'd like.

Since we're nearing the end of 2005, it's time to nominate people for biggest Dlckhead! You get my vote.

Posted by: nskgti23

Getting unlock codes for these phones will become more difficult in the near future. Cingular is starting to become more strict on releasing codes. So I wouldn't be so sure your friend will get it...

Posted by: kdenninger

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstrauss

Thanks for the heads up - he has a good reputation, but I wonder how long it will be before he can get delivery.

He's already delivered at least one batch of SP5ms (the ones with the music keys)

The other advantage of buying those is that they're supported on Clubimate - which means available firmware releases. Those releases MAY NOT LOAD on branded phones due to "carrier flags" which, if set, disallow firmware loads cross-carrier. There ARE fixes for this but they're dangerous in that they can render your phone unable to be back-flashed to the branded firmware if you at any time want to.

Also, there is, for essentially all the former Windows smartphones, ways around the lock problem that don't involve paying someone. I can't say what it is due to the rules on Hofo, but if they don't work on the 2125 I wouldn't bet on it taking long before that problem IS fixed.

As for AT&T-branded phones, codes have never been available for those. Ever. It was part of AWE's "developed" attitude problem that carried over past the acquisition.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by taveanator

Hey GPS- are we still looking at the 18th for the 2125?

The 22nd or 29th...around that time.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

As for AT&T-branded phones, codes have never been available for those. Ever. It was part of AWE's "developed" attitude problem that carried over past the acquisition.

Absolutely false. Had I asked for it when I was still BLUE, I might have gotten one. I didn't need it when I was BLUE. Cingular put the skids on it...not AT&T.

Posted by: quillhill

Well since the phone isn't going to come out before I have to take my car to the mechanic, I guess that's a good thing. Stupid "Service Engine Soon' light. That's gonna just snatch up my extra cash for a new phone. Grrr.

Isn't Cingular's policy (right or wrong) to not hand out unlock codes until someone has been a customer for a certain period of time? So, seems like the only way to get the 2125 and not get service is to buy it through a customer who has been with the company and have them get the unlock code. It may not seem right to some, but it's a loophole. It seems similar to buying a pre-paid phone on the cheap when you never have any intention of using the pre-paid SIM. But, that's just a thought. Dunno if it's a valid point or not.

Anyway, I need a new phone. Dangit. Maybe I'll just put the car problem on the Visa.

Posted by: jrwoods

New policy is that you must be a customer for 90 days, unless you are getting ready to travel overseas (and you can prove it...mostly by getting a store rep that you are cool with to get you the code).
Not sure why this is a problem for some...

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

All good points, but if the Cingular 2125 comes in at $329-349, that's a lot of smack to pay for the unbranded version. At least if I have a problem with the 2125, I can scream (probably fruitlessly) at Cingular, instead of getting the usual - "it ain't our service, its your unsupported phone" routine. I will admit, however, until I stumbled on to the Audiovox 5600 I was lusting after a Moto v635, a superior upgrade to the v551 that is also an "unsupported" phone.

Posted by: kdenninger

I had a V635. Very nice phone. Preferred the candybar format and thus went back to my 6230b (branded, but unlocked.)

The 2125 will almost certainly be "fixable" over at spv-developers, if you choose to. Its got a registry, and if you're willing to hack around in there you can fix pretty much whatever you'd like.

Only "gotcha" is that if you can't load custom firmware then if you have to hard-reset it for some reason you lose what you did and have to go back and do it again.

Posted by: nskgti23

It is going to be cheaper than 329-349 w/ contract....

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstrauss

Posted by: persianpunisher

it will be sround 320 from what i have heard

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

It is going to be cheaper than 329-349 w/ contract....

I always like to deal in "without contract" figures to get as close to apples and oranges (at least in the "fruit" group) for comparison purposes. Why? Because so many of us never make it the 18-24 months necessary before dropping another wad of bills in the CIngular coffers. eBay heaven (where my Treo 650 already went) is our rebate program.

Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:

Originally Posted by persianpunisher

it will be sround 320 from what i have heard

For the no contract price... That sounds about right....

Posted by: kdenninger

I wonder if the Imate SP5 firmware will load and run on the 2125. That'll definitely be something to try.....

Posted by: rosullivan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdenninger

Since we're nearing the end of 2005, it's time to nominate people for biggest Dlckhead! You get my vote.

No joke... this guy is a tool. I'm sure just about any moderator would agree with me.

Posted by: 18t

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

The 22nd or 29th...around that time.

i hope its here by the 16th of december because i just cancelled my nextel and am carrying a temp nokia flip for the next 30days. Looks like i may have to get stuck with the mp220 or smt5600 if its not out by then

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by 18t

BITE YOUR TONGUE! 12/16 will bring a rash of suicides around here.

Posted by: CeluGeek

I want it! I just sold my SMT5600 and now, I'm awaiting for the 2125 to take its spot.

Posted by: mclaughlinc

Anybody know if this phone is being released tomorrow? 11/18? still

Posted by: quillhill

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if it is. I get paid tomorrow. It would be nice if the planets aligned.

Posted by: lopezpm

Come on Cingular give us this phone!!! I want it.
This thread has the 2125 being released on the 29th.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=772706

Posted by: rkdiddy

Ok I have two questions...and honestly they are a little off topic, however they do pertain directly to me getting this phone...

1st: If I was to purchast say a 5600 can I take it back to get the 2125 when it comes out...as long as it is with-in the 30-day return timeframe.

2nd. If I don't port my numbers over when I switch to Cingular can I port them over at any time...if yes is there a fee?

Thanks!

PS: I checked the Cingular business site and nothing on there yet.

Peace!

Posted by: skiwebster

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkdiddy

Ok I have two questions...and honestly they are a little off topic, however they do pertain directly to me getting this phone...

1st: If I was to purchast say a 5600 can I take it back to get the 2125 when it comes out...as long as it is with-in the 30-day return timeframe.

2nd. If I don't port my numbers over when I switch to Cingular can I port them over at any time...if yes is there a fee?

Thanks!

PS: I checked the Cingular business site and nothing on there yet.

Peace!

1. yes, you can exchange for any phone within 30 days.

2. there has been a lot of disagreement on this issue, but the answer is :you can port the number later and there will not be a fee. I just went through this 2 weeks ago. I got the phone in the cingular store and jsut made sure the agent put in the notes ,'customer will not be charged for porting at a later date'

some agents told me i would be charged, some said it wasnt even possible to port once you start your contract. bottom line - you can port later on and you shouldnt have to pay a fee.

Posted by: dstrauss

Well, I guess someone should edit the first post with the optimistic "Tentative Date Novemebr 18"

So what is the latest on the Hunchback of HTC?

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstrauss

Well, I guess someone should edit the first post with the optimistic "Tentative Date Novemebr 18"

So what is the latest on the Hunchback of HTC?

I don't think there is a latest. We are all just sitting her like:

Zach

Posted by: lopezpm

Look at the link I posted above, it was posted by GPS.

C2125 (Faraday?) - November 29th
So far that is the latest.

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by lopezpm

Look at the link I posted above, it was posted by GPS.

C2125 (Faraday?) - November 29th
So far that is the latest.

I think those two dates are the most plausible of anything that any of us have heard (for either phone).

Zach

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachavm

I don't think there is a latest. We are all just sitting her like:

Zach

Hey - that's me - the fourth from the left.

Posted by: Binx75075

Looks extremely similar to Audiovox's Smartphone.

Posted by: PointZero

Cingular insiders in the Cingular 8125 thread have speculated that this phone won't be out for another four weeks. This date, of course, is tentative.

Posted by: jesterhs

I am dying here. I wish they would release the 2125 already. I just sold my Treo650 on the Recycler and am going to be phoneless. Does anyone know if it is realistic that we will see the 2125 before the end of November?

Posted by: LS1GOAT

Why would you sell your only phone when any date posted here is basically speculation?

Posted by: tendura

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesterhs

I am dying here. I wish they would release the 2125 already. I just sold my Treo650 on the Recycler and am going to be phoneless. Does anyone know if it is realistic that we will see the 2125 before the end of November?

You better find yourself a cheap phone to use in the interim. It may be a while.

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by LS1GOAT

Why would you sell your only phone when any date posted here is basically speculation?

To unload it BEFORE the bottom drops out on the used Treo market?

Posted by: tendura

Still not a good idea if you don't have anything to replace it with.

Posted by: dstrauss

I don't know about that. The new toys are alwasy "way" expensive, and with new Treo 650's being given out like candy in anticipation of teh 700w and HTC alternatives, the Treo 650 in your pocket may become an expensive backup phone before long.

Posted by: pjammin10

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstrauss

I don't know about that. The new toys are alwasy "way" expensive, and with new Treo 650's being given out like candy in anticipation of teh 700w and HTC alternatives, the Treo 650 in your pocket may become an expensive backup phone before long.

I use that same idea when explaining to my girlfriend why I sold my 4G iPod to get the 5G iPod with Video. I salute you for not being afraid to move with the market!

Posted by: jesterhs

It was definitely a move to stay ahead of the market. The value of Treo650 is going to drop soon and I was able to sell mine for $300. That pretty much means that when the 2125 come out, it will cost me nothing to get it!! The move I made may not be for everyone, but I think the risk is worth the reward. Besides, I signed up with Cingular under my wifes name and social and bought the SMT 5600. I now have a really nice phone for 30 days until the 2125 comes out. Then I will cancel and resign under my name and social.

Where there is a will ... there's a way.

Posted by: pjammin10

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesterhs

It was definitely a move to stay ahead of the market. The value of Treo650 is going to drop soon and I was able to sell mine for $300. That pretty much means that when the 2125 come out, it will cost me nothing to get it!! The move I made may not be for everyone, but I think the risk is worth the reward. Besides, I signed up with Cingular under my wifes name and social and bought the SMT 5600. I now have a really nice phone for 30 days until the 2125 comes out. Then I will cancel and resign under my name and social.

Where there is a will ... there's a way.

The refurbed one for $30? If so -- another smart move! Too bad for the people who didn't jump on it sooner. I was in the market to buy a cheap backup phone for when I buy a PPC phone and would need to carry around something smaller at some point in time. I was actually about five minutes away from purchasing a Nokia 6010 (as I've heard so much about their reliability). Luckily the SMT 5600 came right out in no time! $30 is the cost of eating out for two days. I think some people can sacrifice that.

Posted by: smcassara

We got some POP signage for the 2125 today.. it also says that there'll be a mediaNet Unlimited w/ xpress mail for $19.99!!

it's displayed as "the first cingular edge-capable smartphone"

Posted by: McCarron

Quote:

Originally Posted by smcassara

We got some POP signage for the 2125 today.. it also says that there'll be a mediaNet Unlimited w/ xpress mail for $19.99!!

it's displayed as "the first cingular edge-capable smartphone"

Any signage for the 8125?

Posted by: smcassara

no! i was piss'd off about that, too. i saw the sign for the 2125 so i feverishly started digging thru the box for 8125 stuff.. nothin.

Posted by: mar2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by smcassara

We got some POP signage for the 2125 today.. it also says that there'll be a mediaNet Unlimited w/ xpress mail for $19.99!!

it's displayed as "the first cingular edge-capable smartphone"

Is this any indication of when the actual hardware might show up in stores? I take it this means they are trying to get the 2125 out before Christmas sometime?

Posted by: CeluGeek

Quote:

Originally Posted by smcassara

It's displayed as "the first cingular edge-capable smartphone"

Not true. The Nokia 6620 had EDGE and was a smartphone - just different OS. If Cingular says the 2125 is their first Windows smartphone with EDGE, then the statement is true.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Maybe Black Friday!!!

I don't think they would send them the promotional collateral, unless they would be getting the phone in the next few days.

Does it say when to post the collateral?

Posted by: smcassara

true, the 6620 was a smartphone.. i'm just reading what it says. i'll post a pic of the POP when i get home. as far as when it says to post the collateral, it just says effective 11/23. no hold information or the like... like what we have for the 8700, or what we had for the 6515

Posted by: jesterhs

I hope this means that it will be out before the month is over. This has been the longest few weeks ever!!

I called Cingular B2B just now and they still have no idea as to what I am talking about.

Posted by: erider

Any thoughts on how good of a phone this really is? Has anyone spent time using it? The spec's look great, but sometimes reality can be a different thing.

I am thinking of switching to Cingular and have been waiting for the Nokia 6682 to be re-released. Would this be a better choice? I'm coming from a Nokia 6600 and generally like it but see some issues with series 60 phones.

Posted by: gacajun

Does the signage you have for the 2125 say whether or not it has WiFi?

Posted by: rosullivan04

Quote:

Originally Posted by erider

Any thoughts on how good of a phone this really is? Has anyone spent time using it? The spec's look great, but sometimes reality can be a different thing.

I am thinking of switching to Cingular and have been waiting for the Nokia 6682 to be re-released. Would this be a better choice? I'm coming from a Nokia 6600 and generally like it but see some issues with series 60 phones.

I was going to get one (obviously not the crippled Cingular version, but an SP5), but after using one it's not a significant enough difference from the Typhoon to get me to switch over. I stuck WM5 on my Typhoon, and it seemed pretty much all in the same, except wifi and quad-band obviously. Edge isn't that significant to me honestly... my web browsing is fast enough on this sucker; it's not like there are any P2P programs to run on these that will eat bandwidth. I'm going to hold out until a handset comes out with their next-gen high speed internet.

Posted by: smcassara

alright, here... also i noticed that there's no mention of wifi.

Posted by: gacajun

Cool...thanks for the pic of the signage. Now...how much is this little puppy going to set us back....with and without a contract?

Posted by: rperalta

Thanks for the picture. Do you think 2125 will release on 11/29?

Regards,
rperalta

Posted by: ryanHfx

Can't wait for this phone to hit the store - I've been waiting for months. When it does come, I'd like to use Google Local for mobile (Google Maps) with it. Any idea if this will work on MEdia Net? Or do I need a data plan?

BTW: I talked to a Cingular rep at the mall who wasn't even aware of this phone. He said he usually knows about new phones 30 days before they go on sale - let's hope he is suprised on this one!

Posted by: Omega2008

Yes Google will work with it. I use it on my MPx 220 and it works great. BTW MEdia Net is a data plan.

Posted by: jetli

Quote:

Originally Posted by smcassara

alright, here... also i noticed that there's no mention of wifi.

Where did you see this? In the US? At a store? On a pamphlet? At a convention?

I'm sorry I don't know what a "POP signage" is.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Jetli,

POP stands for Point Of Purchase...meaning this item was received by a Cingular store to be displayed somewhere in the store.

Usually when these items are received they are accompanied by some sort of collateral memo/diagram that says when and where it should be displayed.

That is what we need to know...when did it say to display it???

Peace

Posted by: audiovoxx

cingulars first edge smart phone??? whay about the 6620 and the 6682... the Treo 650 is edge capable too... thought its a PDA... hmmm i wonder how much of a difference it will really have over a SMT5600... i really love my SMT but for some reason when a new one comes out i start getting crazy ideas and want to upgrade my phone....

Posted by: smcassara

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkdiddy

Jetli,

POP stands for Point Of Purchase...meaning this item was received by a Cingular store to be displayed somewhere in the store.

Usually when these items are received they are accompanied by some sort of collateral memo/diagram that says when and where it should be displayed.

That is what we need to know...when did it say to display it???

Peace

thanks for the POP def... and like i said, we recieved this 8.5x11 with a revised planogram dated 11/23 with no other dates printed anywhere within the 8 pages. idk if anyone has seen cingular planograms before, but they are extremely specific as to where to post signage/merch on slatwall and what date to. this was the most inspecific planogram to date.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

This is starting to get good. Lets see if we start getting more conformation from other Cingular stores around the US. I hope the 8125 follows, but if it doesn't I may stick with the SPs.

Posted by: freemz

Called two different B2B numbers and both had the following response: "Huh? What? I don't see it in my system..."

More waiting.

Posted by: mbranscum

This review compares a windows 5 phone to it's older 2003 counterpart...not very impressive IMO.

http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/f...opic.php?t=9714

Posted by: exchguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbranscum

This review compares a windows 5 phone to it's older 2003 counterpart...not very impressive IMO.

http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/f...opic.php?t=9714

Yeah, saw that. If you are looking for anything 'revolutionary' in the 2125, you aren't going to find it if you already own a SMT5600 or other WM2003 SE based Smartphone. The only things that are 'new' in the 2125 are WM 5.0, QVGA screen, EDGE support, and a 1.3MP camera (SMT5600 was VGA). Also, the rocker switch is a little different. Wi-Fi is not there in the 2125 from what I've seen so you don't even have that.

Other than that, there really isn't a lot in the 2125 that makes this much different that what is out there now, which is why I am switching back to PPC Phones.

Posted by: gacajun

Since I need a phone/pda instead of a pda/phone the 2125 would fit my needs, so no PPC for me. There are posts in threads here that the Cingular PTT network will be active "in the near future" so I have 2 questions...

1. Does the 2125 have PTT capability?
2. Does the 8125 have PTT capability?

I'd hate to invest significant $$$$ in a new phone and it not have PTT. While that's not a hot button feature for me my wife is waiting for this impatiently.

TIA

Posted by: jesterhs

Does anyone know if the 2125 would have any better reception than the SMT5600. I have a friend who is with Cingular and has a Razr phone. He gets reception where I do not.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: Omega2008

There is no way to know until the device is released and tested. I hope it does have better reception because IMHP the reception on the SMT sucked, thats one of the reasons I sold mine. Of course reception depends on your location, your proximity to a tower, and other enviromental factors so your millage may varry.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Any new developments on the POP signs? I thouhgt there would be others who have seen these at other Cingular stores. I still think the 2125 is going to have wifi. I just cant believe cingular would put a "hump" on the top of the device if it didnt have a function. Omega, are you still in contact with Supernub?

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

There is no way to know until the device is released and tested. I hope it does have better reception because IMHP the reception on the SMT sucked, thats one of the reasons I sold mine. Of course reception depends on your location, your proximity to a tower, and other enviromental factors so your millage may varry.

I realize that location and conditions make a difference, but my SMT5600 has much better reception and voice call quality than my Treo 650, and when roaming, every bit as good as my wife's Moto v551 which has been the best phone we've ever owned (Cingular or Sprint before that). If the 2125 is just as good, I'll be a super happy camper.

One question - is it noticeably larger than the SMT5600. I can't get over the "smallness" factor of the SMT5600. Measurements on the SP5 (the generic Tornado) show almost negligible differences, but the measurements for the 2125 show it to be longer (full centimeter) and thicker. And supposedly you don't even get the WiFi module. What gives?

Posted by: belgian85

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Originally Posted by dstrauss

One question - is it noticeably larger than the SMT5600. I can't get over the "smallness" factor of the SMT5600. Measurements on the SP5 (the generic Tornado) show almost negligible differences, but the measurements for the 2125 show it to be longer (full centimeter) and thicker. And supposedly you don't even get the WiFi module. What gives?

SMT5600: 108mm x 46mm x 16mm
2125: 106mm x 46mm x 17.5mm

I got the 2125 measurements from the original post, and the SMT5600 ones from phonescoop.com So it looks like it 2mm shorter and 1.5mm thicker. Where did you see it's 1 cm longer?

Posted by: pcman

OK
then why in the POP signage we see the hump on top.As far as i have seen in reviews this is the WIfi Antenna.
I just sold my smt5600 and now using a T637 I thought by now the 8125 and 2125 would be out.
I have 2 cingular accounts (mine and my wifes) and I was going to upgrade to each one of these phones then use and see which one I liked the most then sell off the other (my wife just uses a regular phone).
I may keep the 8125 if it's solid durable like the smt5600 as I need speed and web/email access 24/7

Posted by: rkdiddy

PCMAN,

We all agree with you that there is no need for the hump. The thing most troubling about the hump is the fact neither of the sp5s have it and they both have wi-fi.

Someone posted the schematics of the 2125 from the fcc site (don't remember where) and there was nothing inside it. I guess we will all have to wait and see. Who knows maybe the 2120 has wifi and the 2125 doesn't!!!

It's just the waiting part that sucks! Trust me...it is getting very frustrating

I had my wife all ready to switch over to Cingular this weekend (because I thought it would be out on Friday) and then I had to give it a..."well lets just wait until next week since we are so busy this week".

Posted by: rkdiddy

belgian85,

I believe the correct measurements are...

116mm(L) x 46mm(W) x 17.5mm(T)

I think the 106mm(L) was taken from the c600 which doesn't include the "hump".

Posted by: pcman

Yes waiting stinks
I need my internet with me and my backup phone only has the basic net.
let hope this coming week for at least the 2125.
I asked at my local stores they don't know anything but we all all that
I'm currantly on a month to month (as my term is up ) on both my accounts so I have plenty of options .

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Yeah, I'm just going to be buying the 2125 or 8125 srait out of pocket, so maybe I should just start my Christmas shopping and wait this thing out.

Posted by: duchski

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Originally Posted by pcman

OK
then why in the POP signage we see the hump on top.As far as i have seen in reviews this is the WIfi Antenna.

According to FCC website there is no Wi-Fi for 2125.
have to wait for the release to be 100% sure.

Posted by: dstrauss

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Originally Posted by belgian85

rkdiddy is right - it's 116mm in length, and from the pictures, it's all in the hump, which is as empty as a dry camel. What gives?

Posted by: pchop69

If I want to upgrade when this finally comes out, am I going to have any problems with my family plan and media net?

When I got my SMT5600 on AT&T, I got split off from my family plan and put on to a $0.40 a minute pay-as-you-go, so I don't want to make the same mistake again.

Posted by: TreoBangla

I dont know if theis is relevant to this post, butThe Imate sp5m is now available in the US and it has WI Fi on it, this is the phone which is similar to the 2125

Posted by: dstrauss

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Originally Posted by TreoBangla

I dont know if theis is relevant to this post, butThe Imate sp5m is now available in the US and it has WI Fi on it, this is the phone which is similar to the 2125

Where? All I've seen are preorder sites. Also of interest, I've seen info on the Orange SPV600, which is a DEAD RINGER for the 2125 WITHOUT a hump. Also, without wireless. What's going on here?

Posted by: TreoBangla

I already bought one here in the US with WiFi, tried it out for 1 hour and could not do without a keyboard, so I will get rid of it. It is available her at several places, try
1. www.imatephonestore.com
2. www.welectronics.com - i bought from here and they are the cheapest, but no returns or refunds, I am stuck with brand new one for now.

Posted by: exchguy

Yep, it appears that neither the Orange SPV C600 or 2125 have Wi-Fi. If you want WiFi then pick up the SP5/5m, Wizard, or Universal. As I said before, for new purchasers of Smartphones this might be a nice phone but for those of us with SMT5600s, the only new things are WM 5.0, QVGA, EDGE, and newer camera which may not be worth spending the money to upgrade.

Posted by: duchski

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Originally Posted by exchguy

Yep, it appears that neither the Orange SPV C600 or 2125 have Wi-Fi. If you want WiFi then pick up the SP5/5m, Wizard, or Universal. As I said before, for new purchasers of Smartphones this might be a nice phone but for those of us with SMT5600s, the only new things are WM 5.0, QVGA, EDGE, and newer camera which may not be worth spending the money to upgrade.

Well, WM5 means support for Word and Excell and plus a larger screen... EDGE alone is enough reason to switch, I had NOKIA 6620 before and really liked 80K transfers....

Posted by: CeluGeek

^ Also, the ability to synchronize photo contacts with Outlook for picture-based caller ID.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Any news Nskti23, Omega2008 and GSM??? We haven't heard from you for awhile.

Man I'm like an addict...I need the need next fix to get me through the week!

Posted by: ryanHfx

Anybody have a link to an online retailer that will sell me an Orange SPV C600? What would I need to do use this phone on Cingular?