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Using a Blackberry without the Blackberry features - Possible?

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Posted by: vish0402

Am not sure - it wouldn't make sense getting Blackberry services from 2 providers :-) You might want to check-in with Mail2web nevertheless.


Posted by: EZCOM714

i HAVE A BLACKBERRY 8703E WITH OUT A DATA PLAN. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK CUSTOMER CARE TO TAKE THE DAMN THING OFF. AND TELL THEM YOU WANT TO USE IT AS PAY AS YOU GO. DAMN!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: penk

BB Feature Enabler




Posted by: CSOKIant

bottom line, some carriers allow it, some don't. Verizon REQUIRES you get a data plan, at first. T-mobile DOES NOT require you get a data plan. I'm not sure of other carriers, I work for Verizon and it doesn't allow your phone to be activated without the data service. You can get your BB service taken off later, but at the point of activation they'll require you get it.


Posted by: mboubou

Quote:
Originally Posted by m1st3rfoo
Will the new BlackBerry Curve be able to send and receive data without a BB plan? I'm interested in getting the phone, but I don't want to pay for the BB plan and want to just rely on the wi-fi to get email, etc.

I want to be able to do the following (through wi-fi, without BB plan):
Make phone calls
Send/receive text messages
Take/send pictures
Surf the web (HTML)
Use AIM (through Meebo maybe)
Check my email through GMail or my school's webmail client

Thanks!


Wi-fi is hardware-related, not network-related. So if you're in range of an unsecured wi-fi network, or a secure one that you have access to, then you'll be able to get onto the internet to surf the web and check your e-mail. Now that T-Mobile has the feature-enabler, you can also (in addition to the regular make/receive calls and send/receive text messages) send/receive Multimedia Messages (pictures, voice, and video), use the imbedded instant messenger clients, and access T-Zones.

I'm not sure if other carriers currently have a version of the feature-enabler though, which through us is free.


Posted by: princessk

Hi guys,

What about having a BB Curve and using a Fido Monthly Plan ? Would that work? I recognize that the PushMail feature wouldn't. But what about basic web browsing, MMS, MSN, etc ?

Thanks!



Posted by: xspeedy

I would like to know about using a Blackberry 8800 (Cingular Premier has refurbs for $200) on Cingular Blue with pay as you go mMode? My work pays for the standard data (EDGE, 3G, GPRS connectivity via the WAP plan), so I would just pop Opera Mini on there.

My concern is that from what I have read, there is no other configuration than the APN. Where does one configure the IP information and ports? Is that just not required to have Opera talk to the regular WAP gateway?

Also, can MMS be made to function using the regular WAP plan, or is it forced to the BIS?


Posted by: princessk

Does anyone know if the BB Curve will work on the Rogers or Fido network without a dataplan? I'd like to be able to use it as a phone, SMS, MMS, surf the web, and use the instant messenger functions.

Thanks!


Posted by: xspeedy

This thread is the answer for why RIM should make a Blackberry for those that don't want push e-mail. In other words, make a generic smartphone that doesn't require Blackberry service. Make a better Blackjack.


Posted by: dcmetro

Just noticed this thread. I need some help for which I just started a new thread. Maybe I can be answered here:

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Just bought my wife a BB Pearl and wanted to sync contacts and calendar from her outlook. I thought it would be as easy as downloading the BB desktop software and there would be an option for syncing the two.
Turns out that I need to understand lot more things that seems to be geared at downloading emails from servers. I do not want to set her phone for downloading emails right now. She does not care for it.

Is there a simple way to just sync contacts and calendar and maybe download music on her phone?

I would really appreciate your help on this.


Posted by: yellow101

People like me want to use a BB because it has a good keyboard, big screen, friendly user interface (much different from MS Mobile), not much fancy useless program to slow down the process. They (me) don't necessary need push email, and do not expect to receive a lot. On top of all that, one can find a cheap and unlocked BB either on eBay or other shops. It almost alway is a quad band GSM phone, so can be used anywhere in the world. I bought my 7105T new for only C$130.


Posted by: yellow101

Quote:
Originally Posted by yellow101
People like me want to use a BB because it has a good keyboard, big screen, friendly user interface (much different from MS Mobile), not much fancy useless program to slow down the process. They (me) don't necessary need push email, and do not expect to receive a lot. On top of all that, one can find a cheap and unlocked BB either on eBay or other shops. It almost alway is a quad band GSM phone, so can be used anywhere in the world. I bought my 7105T new for only C$130.


Having said that, before anyone jumps in and spend their hard earned dollars to buy a BB and not subscribing a BB data plan the device can only function as a cell phone with the same function a regular cell phone provides. i.e. make and receive phone calls, send and receive sms messages (have not tried attaching multi-media yet, please don't ask), calender and appointment, alarm clock, address book (extensive, better than regular phone), camera (depends on model).... etc. There are a few extras that some cell phones do not have, but smart phones have. The BB has a memo pad which I use it to record my daily thoughts , good keyboard, and if you buy the OEM case it has a magnet switch to turn off the screen's back light and put it to sleep.

Have tried to connect to the web using Opera Mini, but unsuccessful. My monthly bill showed that I have tried and charged me for about C$1 or less, meaning it is possible but need to do more searching. May be I should subscribe a data plan with Rogers (not a BB data plan). However, using a regular cell phone from Rogers can browse without a data plan. I need more research in this.

I don't think I have included everything, may be some member can fill them in. Anyway, make sure you know the limitations.

Cheers.


Posted by: indie_b

Quote:
Originally Posted by vish0402
Use the BB plan from www.mail2web.com - $9.99


that wont work.. per mail2web.com customer service... u still need a BB data plan with BES support, which is the more expensive plan... see here directly from them:
________________________________
"Greetings,

If you take a look at the requirements for BES:

http://services.mail2web.com/Busine.../Blackberry.asp

A data plan with support of BES is necessary. Mail2web BES service cannot be used to replace your blackberry data plan.

Regards,

Peter
Customer Support
http://myhosting.com
http://mail2web.com
http://softcom.biz

Keep up to date with SoftCom news and announcements at http://blog.softcom.biz

If you need any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact our 24/7 support team at support@mail2web.com.

Thank you for using mail2web.com."

____________________________________
it was a good sugggestion... as i was thinking about doing this as well.


Posted by: indie_b

Quote:
Originally Posted by xspeedy
This thread is the answer for why RIM should make a Blackberry for those that don't want push e-mail. In other words, make a generic smartphone that doesn't require Blackberry service. Make a better Blackjack.




***co-sign*** best thing i read while at work today... lol, its true tho..they need to


Posted by: k_dam

You can use your blackberry and access the internet without the BB data plan. I have an unlocked curve and have rogers wap browser and IM. Rogers has an IM plan, for $8/month you get 2500 sent msg, unlimited incoming and the best thing about it is, you dont get charged for any data charges.

I recently signed up for it, and ask the rogers rep if i use a 3rd party IM app will my IM plan apply ( i didnt tell them i have a blackberry as they will AND I GUARANTEE say you will not be able to connect to internet without the BB data plan) and will it charge me any data. They said, "as far as i know, it shouldnt but if it does you will certainly be credit for it." I recorded the convo and got the rep name as i (and many others) have been screwed by a rogers rep with theyre lying.

So far, from 24hours of use of IM, (with minimal use of chatting, mostly idle time) i've noticed:

24hours = 948 kb

with heavy chatting for 1hour its about 200 kb.


Posted by: risenshine85

i am wondering if consilent's push mail app might work with curve


Posted by: drozek

I have a BlackBerry 8830 with Sprint SERO plan. Works great without the BB service, I have Opera running as my browser, and JiveTalk for IMing and all other chats. GSP works wonders and it is all around one of the best phones I have ever used.


Posted by: dlawer

So you are saying your wap browser works on rogers network. What browser are you using, because if you do not have a bb data plan, you do not have a wap browser.(does the IM plan give you a browser?) Are you using opera mini, and what apn settings does your browser use. I have tried but never have got any browser to work on a bb with rogers, without a bb data plan. Thanks.


Quote:
Originally Posted by k_dam
You can use your blackberry and access the internet without the BB data plan. I have an unlocked curve and have rogers wap browser and IM. Rogers has an IM plan, for $8/month you get 2500 sent msg, unlimited incoming and the best thing about it is, you dont get charged for any data charges.

I recently signed up for it, and ask the rogers rep if i use a 3rd party IM app will my IM plan apply ( i didnt tell them i have a blackberry as they will AND I GUARANTEE say you will not be able to connect to internet without the BB data plan) and will it charge me any data. They said, "as far as i know, it shouldnt but if it does you will certainly be credit for it." I recorded the convo and got the rep name as i (and many others) have been screwed by a rogers rep with theyre lying.

So far, from 24hours of use of IM, (with minimal use of chatting, mostly idle time) i've noticed:

24hours = 948 kb

with heavy chatting for 1hour its about 200 kb.



Posted by: risenshine85

with curve it works


Posted by: yellow101

Quote:
Originally Posted by risenshine85
with curve it works


Please give more details.
Thanks.


Posted by: squall458

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlawer
So you are saying your wap browser works on rogers network. What browser are you using, because if you do not have a bb data plan, you do not have a wap browser.(does the IM plan give you a browser?) Are you using opera mini, and what apn settings does your browser use. I have tried but never have got any browser to work on a bb with rogers, without a bb data plan. Thanks.

Ya! I have no browswer either and I cannot install opera as you have to do it through OTA. If you give us more details, I would love to sign up for the same thing you did!


Posted by: squall458

The mail2web sounds like a good option, but you have to sign up for a person exchange email service too.

System and Device Requirements

* All current BlackBerry Wireless Handheld models with a subscription from a wireless service provider
* For Desktop management of your service, BlackBerry Desktop Manager version 3.6 SP2 or later is required. For BES 4.0 features, Desktop Manager 4.0 or later is required
* An active mail2web.com Personal Exchange or Business Exchange account
* For BES 4.0 features, 4.x Firmware is required on your BlackBerry device

It doesnt say you need a BB data plan though.

http://services.mail2web.com/Busine.../BlackBerry.asp

It looks like they operate in Canada too.


Posted by: risenshine85

Quote:
Originally Posted by squall458
The mail2web sounds like a good option, but you have to sign up for a person exchange email service too.

System and Device Requirements

* All current BlackBerry Wireless Handheld models with a subscription from a wireless service provider
* For Desktop management of your service, BlackBerry Desktop Manager version 3.6 SP2 or later is required. For BES 4.0 features, Desktop Manager 4.0 or later is required
* An active mail2web.com Personal Exchange or Business Exchange account
* For BES 4.0 features, 4.x Firmware is required on your BlackBerry device

It doesnt say you need a BB data plan though.

http://services.mail2web.com/Busine.../BlackBerry.asp

It looks like they operate in Canada too.

BES/BIS both need Blackberry DATA plan
You can work with normal data on curve but not for blackberry services
you can check your gmail with google apps and stuff like that
but blackberry services still require provider bb data


Posted by: k_dam

anyone with an answer to wifi?? I havnt found 1 3party program that operates through bes/bis and/or normal data connection and/or WIFI


Posted by: afici0nad0

very informative thread. i just bought an 8700c, and will be swapping my gsm phone sim.


Posted by: indie_b

i was just able to connect to the net via mMode on my old att blue plan w/o any bb data plans.

I connect thru Opera Mini.. and i was able to install the GMail app via the application loader... .. this is sweet...

after tons of googling(is that a word?..lol) i was able to adjust my browser settings and my TCP settings.

was trying to D/L the GMail app via OTA on Opera, but it kept switching to the default bowser and would not D/L. after another intense *googling* session, i found the GMAIL app download and instructions on how to turn that into an *alx* file.

maybe some already new how to do these things, but I am new to BBs so i feel proud of myself.

after searchin and searchin to all the naysayers who say that internet is impossible w/o a BB data plan all I can say is and


Posted by: indie_b

Wirelessly posted (Opera/8.01 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/3.1.8295/1690; en; U; ssr))

Postin from the berry now


Posted by: xspeedy

Okay, I can finally post about this, as I have decided to get a BB and use it without a BB plan.

I use the old AT&T Wireless (Cingular Blue) network and I bought a refurb locked Cingular Orange branded 8800.

I immediately called Cingular International to request an unlock for international travel and after being walked through the procedure was able to unlock the phone. I was given the unlock code over the phone.

I promptly installed the Blackberry Desktop Manager software on my PC and installed Opera Mini via the Application Loader. I was able to access the web with some slight TCP configuration (APN = proxy). I followed up with a successful installation of Google Maps. The GPS reads my position and displays it on a map with a flashing blue dot.

No, I don't get BB push mail, and no, I don't need need it. And yes, I do get a "data connection refused" message that is now a permanent part of the home screen. I can live with this. I just want a functional web browser and some form of data access for occasional use of a web browser, Google Maps and other 3rd party apps.

Why a BB 8800 and not a WM or PalmOS device?

BB is stable
BB works with my BMW BT - fully
BB has good reception and battery life
Integrated GPS
Mini-USB for charging and docking vs. proprietary crap
$200 refurbished
Full Cingular/Mfr warranty (unlike gray market unlocked stuff)

For those interested in going this route, I can tell you that it works on both Cingular Orange and Cingular Blue (old AT&T Wireless). The only downside is that you won't be able to do OTA downloads of installers. You'll have to go through the application loader feature of the BB Desktop Software. Some apps like Yahoo Go don't offer anything but OTA, so you may not be able to install some things you might want. I'll live without.


Posted by: smurray

I'm thinking about getting a BB Pearl for my wife pretty soon as a birthday gift, and am wondering whether or not she would really need a data plan. The main thing she likes about the phone is the keyboard. She has cerebral palsy and can only type with one hand. The Pearl's SureType keyboard seems to be the perfect mix of a full qwerty board and a normal numeric pad. She wouldn't have any use for Push email, and she could do without browsing the internet (though from what I've read it's not entirely impossible to browse the web without a data plan). The main functions she'd use would be SMS, calendar, address book, and media player. Could someone confirm whether or not I could get internet access on the Pearl without a data plan and not incur massive overage costs?


Posted by: miistuhhho

Does anyone knows how to unlock the bb 8800


Posted by: miistuhhho

how to unlock bb 8800


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by miistuhhho
Does anyone knows how to unlock the bb 8800


Do you have a Cingular BB with a Cingular plan?


Posted by: brendanm14

if I buy an 8703e off of eBay for Verizon.....do i have to get a BB data plan? I just want to sync my calendar from Lotus Notes through a cable sync.....my Q does not do that without buying other software. (my old job i used Outlook so the sync with Q was seamless. Not so much with Lotus Notes.) I can't seem to get a definitive answer, everything here is for TMO or ATT


Posted by: miistuhhho

Quote:
Originally Posted by xspeedy
Do you have a Cingular BB with a Cingular plan?

No I don't I just wonder if I can unlock it


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by miistuhhho
No I don't I just wonder if I can unlock it


Just Google. I think it is against the forum rules to ask about unlocking.


Posted by: Enrico Ng

Quote:
Originally Posted by xspeedy
Okay, I can finally post about this, as I have decided to get a BB and use it without a BB plan.

...

I promptly installed the Blackberry Desktop Manager software on my PC and installed Opera Mini via the Application Loader. I was able to access the web with some slight TCP configuration (APN = proxy). I followed up with a successful installation of Google Maps. The GPS reads my position and displays it on a map with a flashing blue dot.

...

For those interested in going this route, I can tell you that it works on both Cingular Orange and Cingular Blue (old AT&T Wireless). The only downside is that you won't be able to do OTA downloads of installers. You'll have to go through the application loader feature of the BB Desktop Software. Some apps like Yahoo Go don't offer anything but OTA, so you may not be able to install some things you might want. I'll live without.


Sorry, I am alittle confused. How did unlocking the phone enable you to use your BB without a BB data plan? Which data plan do you have? or do you use media max?

What do you mean by "slight TCP configuration (APN = proxy)"?

I know that without the BB plan, you can't use push email. I also have in interested in push email, but I'd like to be able to check my pop3 email. Are you able to use the email client (or a 3rd party one) to check email?

Thanks for your assistance.


Posted by: txtisoldschool

You are correct. RIM absolutely requires a BB plan. Besides, that is kind of lame to be so cheap to just use it for txt msging... Get a Treo if you don't want security and push mail.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack T. Chance
There's a lot of misinformation on this thread, so let me set the record straight as I've understood the situation to be.

As I understand it, NO carrier will let you use a BlackBerry without the associated BlackBerry data plan, because they've all signed agreements with RIM wherein they agreed to make sure that ALL customers using a BlackBerry were also signed up for a BB data plan.

This is something I heard back in 2005, however, so my info may be out of date. Perhaps things have changed since then, I just can't verify that they have.



Posted by: afici0nad0

Quote:
Originally Posted by xspeedy
I promptly installed the Blackberry Desktop Manager software on my PC and installed Opera Mini via the Application Loader. I was able to access the web with some slight TCP configuration (APN = proxy). I followed up with a successful installation of Google Maps. The GPS reads my position and displays it on a map with a flashing blue dot.


i need to try this out.


Posted by: afici0nad0

Quote:
Originally Posted by xspeedy
I promptly installed the Blackberry Desktop Manager software on my PC and installed Opera Mini via the Application Loader.


i've downloaded the blackberry desktop manager, and opera mini, onto my pc.

can you provide details on the process of downloading opera mini onto the bb?

i'm not sure what to do now.


Posted by: miistuhhho

Quote:
Originally Posted by xspeedy
Just Google. I think it is against the forum rules to ask about unlocking.

i tried many times but it doesnt say


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enrico Ng
Sorry, I am alittle confused. How did unlocking the phone enable you to use your BB without a BB data plan? Which data plan do you have? or do you use media max?

What do you mean by "slight TCP configuration (APN = proxy)"?

I know that without the BB plan, you can't use push email. I also have in interested in push email, but I'd like to be able to check my pop3 email. Are you able to use the email client (or a 3rd party one) to check email?

Thanks for your assistance.


Unlocking the phone just allowed me to use a Cingular Orange phone on my Cingular Blue (the very old AT&T Wireless Services) plan as a phone. It has nothing to do with using it without a BB plan.

You won't get regular push e-mail since you aren't on a BIS data plan, but you should be able to check e-mail with the Google mail application if you install it. I haven't used it so I can't really offer up any details.


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by afici0nad0
i've downloaded the blackberry desktop manager, and opera mini, onto my pc.

can you provide details on the process of downloading opera mini onto the bb?

i'm not sure what to do now.


When you download the ZIP file for the application off the web, extract the files into a folder. You should see an alx file as well as one or many cod files.

Connect the BB to the computer with a mini-USB cable and run the application loader feature of the Blackberry Desktop. Make sure the Blackberry Desktop shows you connected. Point the application loader to the alx file in the folder on your PC and run it. That's all I remember - it was very straight forward. You never actually manually transfer the files to the Blackberry. The application "installs" them for you. Maybe this will help.

http://www.blackberryinsight.com/20...applications-2/


Posted by: afici0nad0

Quote:
Originally Posted by xspeedy
When you download the ZIP file for the application off the web, extract the files into a folder. You should see an alx file as well as one or many cod files...


many thanks. i will try this.


Posted by: WhiteBerryPearl

Quote:
Originally Posted by DINide
that's what i thought. doesn't blackberry automatically tack on a data plan once the phone is activated?


This is what T-Mobile did to me, because I got the phone for free online it was required that I get a voice and data plan.


Posted by: Mimibuick

So does ATT require you to select a BB plan or can you get the BB without the extra BB plan?

If I go through their site it lets me NOT select a BB plan. I was hoping I can get the ATT store to pricematch one of the free BB's (8100/8300) and not have to get the BB plan.

Or if I ordered the family plan from amazon can I just have the BB turned off without having to pay any fees for stopping that???


Thanks


Posted by: FlyPenFly

Is there a way to check regular IMAP messages on the Blackberry 8800 without the Blackberry Plan but a regular 20/month unlimited data plan?


Posted by: kma

i have installed the new 4.2 beta for opera on my bbcurve and it shows up under settings/apps however it doesnt have an icon for me to run the program! wth?? any help would be nice... P/S before you flame me yes i have tried to unhide all function!


Posted by: SteveEJ

OK.. Question about speed differences.. CINGULAR/AT&T

Media net browsing, etc with Unlimited Media net

Versus

Same using Blackberry Plan

Any word on current Sept 2007 BB Plan cost from AT&T

Thanks,

Steve

Refurb 8700C Coming tommorrow!


Posted by: gino_lee

I have a question for those of you who managed to get the BB without a BB data plan.

How is the battery life?

I have read that the battery life will be very bad, because the BB will be trying to constantly connect to the network for data. But on the other hand, I also read that with a data plan the BB will access the network up to once every 3 seconds.

So is the a difference?

I have a BB 7250 coming, and just wanna know what to expect. or if i should just sell it off without opening the box.

Thanks


Posted by: iamyour

On ATT, your can use a media net plan instead for a BB plan but Why ? you better off with a Samsung Razr which allow one email address to be store so you can recieved and send out email without a BB or PDA plan.


Posted by: 2saints

I just got the Curve off flea bay and I am currently using the iPhone. Will I be able to use the iPhone's unlimited data plan on the BB to access the web but not get access to "push" email right?

What's a good app for gmail? What is the closest I can get to "push" email w/o the BIS/BES plans. Thanks.


Posted by: MegaMan X

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
I just got the Curve off flea bay and I am currently using the iPhone. Will I be able to use the iPhone's unlimited data plan on the BB to access the web but not get access to "push" email right?

What's a good app for gmail? What is the closest I can get to "push" email w/o the BIS/BES plans. Thanks.


you will not be able to use the iPhone's unlimited data plan AT ALL on the BB.

The data plans for BB are specific made for BB because they go through RIM's servers before hitting the device.

You'll be left with a data less device if you use your iPhone's data plan


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by MegaMan X
you will not be able to use the iPhone's unlimited data plan AT ALL on the BB.

The data plans for BB are specific made for BB because they go through RIM's servers before hitting the device.

You'll be left with a data less device if you use your iPhone's data plan



can't even access the web?


Posted by: MegaMan X

Not even the web!


Posted by: celtictech

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
I just got the Curve off flea bay and I am currently using the iPhone. Will I be able to use the iPhone's unlimited data plan on the BB to access the web but not get access to "push" email right?

What's a good app for gmail? What is the closest I can get to "push" email w/o the BIS/BES plans. Thanks.

I am using a BB Pearl with my iPhone sim & data plan. I installed opera mini via desktop manager so I can access the internet. I do not have any email apps although I can access yahoo & Gmail through opera mini.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by celtictech
I am using a BB Pearl with my iPhone sim & data plan. I installed opera mini via desktop manager so I can access the internet. I do not have any email apps although I can access yahoo & Gmail through opera mini.



how long have you been doing this and have you received any additional charges from ATT?


Posted by: celtictech

I only just tried it this week with the BB. Some people saying you could not access data, some saying you could. I figured might as well find out for myself. I have been swapping the sim off and on for the last couple of months between other data phones(blackjack,N80,N75) and never had any extra charges.I only really used them for short periods of time, like when I didn't want to carry my iPhone with me. Would like to keep the pearl(very light weight and compact) if I could get a good 3rd party email app working, otherwise I may just have to stick with the N75 for backup.
Keep us posted if you find any good email apps!


Posted by: stufried

Quote:
Originally Posted by celtictech
I only just tried it this week with the BB. Some people saying you could not access data, some saying you could. I figured might as well find out for myself. I have been swapping the sim off and on for the last couple of months between other data phones(blackjack,N80,N75) and never had any extra charges.I only really used them for short periods of time, like when I didn't want to carry my iPhone with me. Would like to keep the pearl(very light weight and compact) if I could get a good 3rd party email app working, otherwise I may just have to stick with the N75 for backup.
Keep us posted if you find any good email apps!


There are people on the Rogers group that have been doing the same thing. I posted a response saying this in the morning, but cannot find my post.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by celtictech
I only just tried it this week with the BB. Some people saying you could not access data, some saying you could. I figured might as well find out for myself. I have been swapping the sim off and on for the last couple of months between other data phones(blackjack,N80,N75) and never had any extra charges.I only really used them for short periods of time, like when I didn't want to carry my iPhone with me. Would like to keep the pearl(very light weight and compact) if I could get a good 3rd party email app working, otherwise I may just have to stick with the N75 for backup.
Keep us posted if you find any good email apps!



i was on the blackberryforums.com the other night and there was a third party app for Gmail

try here


Posted by: 2saints

When I had my Treo 680 I was able to use the iPhone SIM w/o a problem and I even called ATT CS and they said it was fine, there wouldn't be any additional charges so I was really confused when everyone said we couldn't access the web at all unless we had the BIS/BES plans.


Posted by: stufried

At one time, all data was filtered through Blackberry's APN which was essentially a tunnel back to Blackberry's headquarters. If there was no account on the Blackberry side, all the data got bounced.

Apparently with later firmware upgrades, this was no longer the case.


Posted by: celtictech

I tried to install the Gmail app but it need to access the BB browser to download it. It wouldn't go through opera. I didn't find any way to download it to the computer first and install via desktop manager.

I also found a mail app imobilemail, $22.95 per year which I installed via desktop but couldn't get it to access the internet through opera either.

People were right when they said you couldn't access the internet without a BB plan, but only if you don't install opera mini. Opera accesses the same way as on your treo, using media net.


Posted by: stufried

Can you borrow a Blackberry enabled SIM and connect through this temporarily to get your machine configured?

Here is a link to some FAQs on this usage:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1251473


Posted by: celtictech

Quote:
Originally Posted by stufried
Can you borrow a Blackberry enabled SIM and connect through this temporarily to get your machine configured?

Here is a link to some FAQs on this usage:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1251473

thanks, great thread!
i will borrow my brothers sim over the weekend and try it out.


Posted by: celtictech

I got iMobileMail to work now and it seems like a very good program. I'm using the 7 day free trial now but I am considering purchasing it. It's not instant like BB email but you can have it check every 5 minutes if you want (you just have to have the program open) but manually switching between accounts is fast and easy. Makes the pearl a very good backup option for when I don't want to use my iPhone!


Posted by: 2saints

Got my BB Curve today, used my iPhone SIM and I was able to access the internet through the Media Net browser, just not the other browser. Downloaded the Gmail app and I can check my email manually. Nice.


Posted by: celtictech

I don't have the media net browser on my phone. What did I do wrong?


Posted by: 2saints

There should be two browsers, how many do you have?


Posted by: celtictech

I don't have any except the opera mini. I just figured that I would only have them on there if I had the bb data plan.


Posted by: celtictech

ok, I just put the sim from my brothers BB into my phone. The BB browser & media net browser appeared. Then I put my sim back in and they disappeared again. So, obviously because I don't have the BB data plan to register the handheld.
Now, how do you have the media net browser with the iPhone plan?
When you used the iphone sim in your treo were you able to use MMS? I can't get MMS to work on any other phone and when I called CS they said it was because the iphone plan is not provisioned for MMS. But I know some people are able to use it in non iphones. Maybe I'll call and see if they can add MMS Pay per use.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by celtictech
ok, I just put the sim from my brothers BB into my phone. The BB browser & media net browser appeared. Then I put my sim back in and they disappeared again. So, obviously because I don't have the BB data plan to register the handheld.
Now, how do you have the media net browser with the iPhone plan?
When you used the iphone sim in your treo were you able to use MMS? I can't get MMS to work on any other phone and when I called CS they said it was because the iphone plan is not provisioned for MMS. But I know some people are able to use it in non iphones. Maybe I'll call and see if they can add MMS Pay per use.


I didn't try MMS on th Treo.

I better not take my SIM out of the BB then.

There's isn't a media net browser with the iPhone, just Safari (Apple's browser).


Posted by: celtictech

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
There's isn't a media net browser with the iPhone, just Safari (Apple's browser).[/COLOR]


I meant that you have the Media Net browser on the BB with the iPhone data plan.


Posted by: celtictech

One more thing, Do you have "Data Connection Refused" on your screen?


Posted by: celtictech

I was able to download Yahoo Go! using an active BB sim. That works great for checking email with the iphone data plan too.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by celtictech
One more thing, Do you have "Data Connection Refused" on your screen?



no, do you?


Posted by: celtictech

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
no, do you?

Yes, I figured it was because I had the iphone data and not medianet or BB plan. Did you activate the iphone using the iphone supplied sim or your own sim? Are you currently using the iphone data plan or media net plan?

Hmmmm, it's very interesting why you have access to the media net browser and I don't.


Posted by: fulgerul

i have a bb 7130g with a prepaid orange sim card. can i use the bb to acces wap , without activating the bb plan ? i ask because on orange , the bb plan doesn't work on prepaid sim cards


Posted by: iamyour

Here is the fact about Blackberry

you are use it just for voice (without Data plan)

You can use it with a media plan to access te internet ( without data plan)

Or you can use a Data plan and get email and the interert which is very fast


Posted by: EzEddie

ok so for clarification purposes, this is what i gather from this thread...correct me if i'm wrong...

i have a media basic package that includes sms messages and 1mb of internet. if i upgrade to a blackberry curve i will still have sms function, pda function, and web browsing function using medianet browser..just no blackberry email or blackberry internet?


Posted by: fulgerul

@ezEddie - hope you are right , cuz that's also what i imagine. i use a prepaid card and on my carrier i do not have acces to a bb plan with it ... so , hope it works via wap !


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by EzEddie
ok so for clarification purposes, this is what i gather from this thread...correct me if i'm wrong...

i have a media basic package that includes sms messages and 1mb of internet. if i upgrade to a blackberry curve i will still have sms function, pda function, and web browsing function using medianet browser..just no blackberry email or blackberry internet?


That is correct. If you install Opera Mini and adjust your TCP settings, then you can access the web via the Medianet plan. You'll need to live with the "Data Connection Refused" message at the top of the screen (which is in place of "AT&T"). If you choose to disable the data service via the phone's menus, you can get rid of the message. You'll just need to turn on data services every time you want to use the browser function.


Posted by: mattz357

If I disable data services to get rid of the "data connection refused" message can I still use my SMS text? I have a Blackberry Pearl with only a basic text message package, no internet or Blackberry function. Thanks!


Posted by: mattz357

Also, how do I disable data services? I just looked and I didn't see any menu for that. Thanks!


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattz357
Also, how do I disable data services? I just looked and I didn't see any menu for that. Thanks!


Yes, SMS will still work. On my 8800 using the Blackberry theme (not Cingular), it is Options, Mobile Network, Data Services (On/Off). You may need to reboot the phone after turning data off to get the DCR message to go away.


Posted by: clip2play

I have 2 BB. One with BB data plan and other just use as a phone. Good phone even without the extras but definitely need the email.


Posted by: fulgerul

first of all , i d like to thank xspeedyx because i could find where to desactivate the data services me noob

i just unlock my bb , installed opera , but i couldn't connect to the internet. i phoned to my carrier and asked about the settings but they told me that on bb it is recommended to activate the bb data plan

so, what tcp settings do i have to do , since i dont find them in the settings menu

thanks!


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by fulgerul
first of all , i d like to thank xspeedyx because i could find where to desactivate the data services me noob

i just unlock my bb , installed opera , but i couldn't connect to the internet. i phoned to my carrier and asked about the settings but they told me that on bb it is recommended to activate the bb data plan

so, what tcp settings do i have to do , since i dont find them in the settings menu

thanks!


Who is the carrier? Go to options, advanced options, TCP and then use the appropriate settings. Check the URL below, as most common carrier settings are listed here. Of course, you will need to enable the data services when you use Opera to browse.

http://www.blackberryfaq.com/index....PN/TCP_settings


Posted by: fulgerul

I found the tcp,user and pass but i cant figure where to type the ip gateway and port number on my 7130g. My carrier is orange ro and i use wap unlimited.thanks very much xspeedy


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by fulgerul
I found the tcp,user and pass but i cant figure where to type the ip gateway and port number on my 7130g. My carrier is orange ro and i use wap unlimited.thanks very much xspeedy


Should not need it. Does Opera work for you now?


Posted by: fulgerul

ok, with the typical tcp , user and pass and the data connection active i was unable to connect with opera ... do i do something wrong ?


Posted by: Roxtar

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
When I had my Treo 680 I was able to use the iPhone SIM w/o a problem and I even called ATT CS and they said it was fine, there wouldn't be any additional charges so I was really confused when everyone said we couldn't access the web at all unless we had the BIS/BES plans.



Does this also apply for the text messaging as well as the unlimited browsing? My iphone plan is the one that comes with 1500 text messages, just wanna make sure it is still 1500 indeed..thanks!


Posted by: fulgerul

Text messages also! In your case it has nothing to do with the mobile phone ur using...


Posted by: orbital75

This is from the BlackBerry FAQ!!!!

Data Connection Refused?
From BlackBerryFAQ
Jump to: navigation, search

What is 'data connection refused'?'

* If you do not have a BlackBerry Data Plan then you will see this message on the main screen!

* If you have a data plan and are seeing this message then you will need to call your service provider and have them check the provisioning on the account.

* If you do not have a data plan and want to hide this message from showing up then go to:

Options >> Mobile Network and turn Data Services to OFF.


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by orbital75
This is from the BlackBerry FAQ!!!!

Data Connection Refused?
From BlackBerryFAQ
Jump to: navigation, search

What is 'data connection refused'?'

* If you do not have a BlackBerry Data Plan then you will see this message on the main screen!

* If you have a data plan and are seeing this message then you will need to call your service provider and have them check the provisioning on the account.

* If you do not have a data plan and want to hide this message from showing up then go to:

Options >> Mobile Network and turn Data Services to OFF.



Yes, but when you are using a non-BB (BIS) data plan, then you won't be able to use Opera until you turn data services back on. This is a good option for those that don't use their BB device for data at all. I also found that while my BB works fine in the US on the non-BB data network, I had issues while overseas. The phone kept trying to connect via data and drained the battery quite quickly. I disabled the data services and would only enable when needed.


Posted by: fulgerul

With the data services active and the tcp settings done correctly opera fails to connect after the initial connection tests. Maybe on ORANGE i just cannot use my bb for wap?


Posted by: OffTheHorseCEO

i am on a basic media plan (5 mb) i do not get the "Data connection refused" message even though i was expecting it, i can browse using media nets browser and have been able to connect to gmail using the mobile app, i can also send sms and mms. i cant do any pin related things though


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by OffTheHorseCEO
i am on a basic media plan (5 mb) i do not get the "Data connection refused" message even though i was expecting it, i can browse using media nets browser and have been able to connect to gmail using the mobile app, i can also send sms and mms. i cant do any pin related things though


That is odd - I can only see a Medianet browser if I put in a friend's SIM that has a BB data plan. My phone doesn't have a specific data plan, but I do have data via pay-as-you-go (I am on Blue). My phone switches between saying AT&T and Data Connection Refused, I need to use Opera to access the web, and I do have GMail, Google Maps, and Yahoo Go! installed and working but had to install them using the friend's SIM in my phone and the BB plan. OTA only works via the BB browser and requires a BB plan. Operation of Google Search and Picasa seem to require use of the BB browser and thus a BB data plan, so I uninstalled them.


Posted by: OffTheHorseCEO

well, ill admit i had spotty connections until i switched to opera mini


Posted by: jat421

I have opera mini working fine with BB Pearl (8100). And I am on fido. I had to change th TCP to internet.fido.ca. And also leave the username and password blank. I can browse internet fine on my BB Pearl now without BB connect plan.


Posted by: cloneapoc

If I get the BB Curve 8320, it has wifi, and I don't have a bb plan, can i receive email and browse the web when I'm, lets say at home with wifi in my house?


Posted by: dlawer

Quote:
Originally Posted by fulgerul
With the data services active and the tcp settings done correctly opera fails to connect after the initial connection tests. Maybe on ORANGE i just cannot use my bb for wap?



You need to have bb os 4.2 to get opera mini to work. 4.1 doesn't work.


Posted by: fulgerul

nope , 4.2 os installed on the bb. so i went to an orange shop, spoke with an employee and he told me that on orange , it is impossible use bb with regular wap connection ... so i sold it yesterday


Posted by: vish0402

Quote:
Originally Posted by risenshine85
i am wondering if consilent's push mail app might work with curve


Wondering the same too. I have the "8100" app installed on my 8310...but it says my server setting is wrong and I can't move further.

Anyone else try this?


Posted by: vish0402

Anyone using LogicMail as a 3rd party FREE email client on Blackberry? I just installed it on my 8310 Curve and works very well. Available at logicmail.sf.net

The only gripe I have is that the current version does not let multiple accounts online at the same time - one has to disconnect from one account to use the other.

Works great with all my IMAP accounts - complete with folders!!

Can anyone else try it and share their experience.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by vish0402
Anyone using LogicMail as a 3rd party FREE email client on Blackberry? I just installed it on my 8310 Curve and works very well. Available at logicmail.sf.net

The only gripe I have is that the current version does not let multiple accounts online at the same time - one has to disconnect from one account to use the other.

Works great with all my IMAP accounts - complete with folders!!

Can anyone else try it and share their experience.


Can't do OTA installation, "The Requested Page can not displayed."


Posted by: vish0402

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
Can't do OTA installation, "The Requested Page can not displayed."

You're right. But when you sync with the new Desktop Manager 4.3 - it gets installed when you try to manage applications.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by vish0402
You're right. But when you sync with the new Desktop Manager 4.3 - it gets installed when you try to manage applications.



I just installed it with the DM but I couldn't get it to work with my gmail acct.


Posted by: vish0402

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
I just installed it with the DM but I couldn't get it to work with my gmail acct.

Can you please elaborate - I'm using it with GMAIL - make sure you have SSL switched on for both incoming/outgoing. Also, if you have IMAP enabled on your Gmail - make sure you select the protocol as IMAP and use incoming server: imap.gmail.com and outgoing as smtp.gmail.com

Outgoing Authentication should be "Login".

Look forward to your reply.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by vish0402
Can you please elaborate - I'm using it with GMAIL - make sure you have SSL switched on for both incoming/outgoing. Also, if you have IMAP enabled on your Gmail - make sure you select the protocol as IMAP and use incoming server: imap.gmail.com and outgoing as smtp.gmail.com

Outgoing Authentication should be "Login".

Look forward to your reply.


I removed the app from my BB, I try it again later.


Posted by: Roman901

Would anyone happen to know how to activate free text messagin on the BB Curve 8310???


Posted by: bmx.tsunami

How do I get msn on my 8130


Posted by: Cruisin1966

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmx.tsunami
How do I get msn on my 8130


JiveTalk from beejive.com


Posted by: Roman901

[B]Does anyone know if it is possible to watch Youtube Videos on the BB Curve?


Posted by: TxDot

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
I just installed it with the DM but I couldn't get it to work with my gmail acct.

I've downloaded the zip file but it's not clear how to go about installing it with DM. I'm quite new to the BB world so this is something I haven't done before.


Posted by: thekiller

can i just go to hotmail or gmail and check my email(and send) instead of connecting my email accounts? i don't want to get all that spam on my phone and be alerted every few minutes. if i use my data plan and just check and send email without setting it up will my passwords ect be encrypted?


Posted by: thekiller

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman901
[B]Does anyone know if it is possible to watch Youtube Videos on the BB Curve?
check crackberry.


Posted by: frenzy007

on vzw, your bb has to have a bb data plan


Posted by: .ax

Frenzy: I just picked up an 8830 from ebay (real cheap and NIB) and activated it on vzw through customer support. I simply said I bought it for the keyboard and wanted to put it on my current plan. They went ahead and activated the phone and changed over the information without hesitation.

It might simply be who you actually get on the phone, but it IS allowed and Im currently working with the 8830 on an unlimited txt plan with the lowest 450 minutes. Its 59.99 a month without data.




Just remember kids : make sure that data services option in your network connections screen is definitely in the off position.


Posted by: xspeedy

So I have seen what an AT&T Blackberry 8300 (Curve) does on AT&T Orange and on AT&T Blue. On AT&T Orange, it works great without a BB plan. The Medianet browser that is on the phone works and several of the AT&T marketing apps show up (shopping for media, ringtones...). There is no DCR message either. Google Maps and GMail work, but the other Google apps like Search and News appear to require a BB plan.

Unlocking that same device and putting it on AT&T Blue, the Medianet browser doesn't show up, nor does any of the marketing trash. The default browser doesn't work (even with the TCP changed), but Opera Mini does. I have so far only installed Google Maps (using the application loader), and it functions. No DCR message on this device (unlike my Cingular 8800 which went between showing AT&T and DCR.


Posted by: crony16

i have a question i dont know if im postion it in the right place.. but im new here so here it goes i just got a 8800 and i want to know if the 5.99 plan that i have works on the 8800 cause it did work on my pearl tzones is all i really need to work but the icon is missing i have gone through the registration process..options> advance opt> housting table> etc etc and nothing can anyone help.............

thanks


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by crony16
i have a question i dont know if im postion it in the right place.. but im new here so here it goes i just got a 8800 and i want to know if the 5.99 plan that i have works on the 8800 cause it did work on my pearl tzones is all i really need to work but the icon is missing i have gone through the registration process..options> advance opt> housting table> etc etc and nothing can anyone help.............

thanks


I'm assuming your data plan is a regular data plan and not a BB plan. With that, read on.

Adjust your TCP settings (options, advanced, tcp) and set them for what a regular T-Mobile phone would use. You can google "T-Mobile APN" for this. Then install Opera Mini using the application loader. That will give you browser function. You could try using the BB browser, but I doubt it will work.


Posted by: noworrez

Quote:
Originally Posted by frenzy007
on vzw, your bb has to have a bb data plan


I just purchased the BB pearl, love it. You are correct on the VZW network, they will not allow a BB to go out without a BB plan, however, after 30 days you can cancel the plan which allows you to use the phone just as a phone. It's a matter of who you get whether they will disclose this or not.


Posted by: DipLoMaTz

I just like the form factor of the BB 8310, Im been looking and have found most the answers.

I know you can have the phone without having a plan...which I plan on doing via unlocked BB from ebay.

My only other question is can you recieve MMS. I'd assume so seeing that you can get SMS. Can anyone confirm?


Posted by: celtictech

Quote:
Originally Posted by DipLoMaTz
I just like the form factor of the BB 8310, Im been looking and have found most the answers.

I know you can have the phone without having a plan...which I plan on doing via unlocked BB from ebay.

My only other question is can you recieve MMS. I'd assume so seeing that you can get SMS. Can anyone confirm?

No,MMS will not work without the BB data plan.


Posted by: princessk

Quote:
Originally Posted by celtictech
No,MMS will not work without the BB data plan.


Has anyone figured out a hack or a way around this? To get MMS without the BB data plan?


Posted by: khalilo

I bought a used unlocked BB 7310 (cingular) my company provides me with a Nextel 7510 BB with data paln only. when I put the SIM card in the unlocked 7310 I am not able to get emails or do a wireless activation even I was provided with Wireless activation password from BB admin.
Do I have to do anything else to make this BB device work with Nextel SIM card?

thanks for advice


Posted by: celtictech

The cingular BB will not work with a nextel sim, as cingular phones are gsm.


Posted by: DesiJatt_04

I currently am using the Blackberry Pearl with Rogers without a data plan.

Which software can I use and download for it.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by DesiJatt_04
I currently am using the Blackberry Pearl with Rogers without a data plan.

Which software can I use and download for it.



Depends what you are trying to download however, you'll need the DM.


Posted by: rjl2001

OK, interesting thread as I didn't know you could use an ATT BB Curve w/out BB plan and still use MMS/web. I don't want to pay for BB data plan cause it would cost me $15 more per month, and I switch my SIM between my different phones frequently. But have been thinking of a refurb BB Curve just to try it out and see what I think of blackberry.

Now for my questions...
Is there any difference between the BB browser and the medianet browser? wouldn't the pages all still load up the same and have same functionality/speed?

the Gmail app will only work for checking Gmail accounts right? If using yahoo what are the options? Will yahoo to go install w/out the BB data plan?

also, anyone care to comment on the speed difference of browsing over Edge vs using the built in WiFi? Is the wifi noticably quicker when browsing pages?

Finally, is the GPS on equipped blackberries tied into the BB servers at all? Or would the GPS still work with 3rd party software without using BB data plan?


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by rjl2001
OK, interesting thread as I didn't know you could use an ATT BB Curve w/out BB plan and still use MMS/web. I don't want to pay for BB data plan cause it would cost me $15 more per month, and I switch my SIM between my different phones frequently. But have been thinking of a refurb BB Curve just to try it out and see what I think of blackberry.

Now for my questions...
Is there any difference between the BB browser and the medianet browser? wouldn't the pages all still load up the same and have same functionality/speed?

the Gmail app will only work for checking Gmail accounts right? If using yahoo what are the options? Will yahoo to go install w/out the BB data plan?

also, anyone care to comment on the speed difference of browsing over Edge vs using the built in WiFi? Is the wifi noticably quicker when browsing pages?

Finally, is the GPS on equipped blackberries tied into the BB servers at all? Or would the GPS still work with 3rd party software without using BB data plan?



Get the unlimited data plan if you use GPS.


Posted by: rjl2001

OK, thanks loveanh. But I should've been more clear. I have an unlimited data plan, just not the BB data plan. Which were you referring to?


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by rjl2001
OK, thanks loveanh. But I should've been more clear. I have an unlimited data plan, just not the BB data plan. Which were you referring to?


Regarding your questions, if you are using the new AT&T and you have a newer BB device (such as the Curve with the Medianet browser), it works fine with regular data. You don't even need to install Opera. GMail app only works for GMail, and the only other Google app that works without a BB data plan is Maps. The search, news, and Picasa apps don't function.

If you want access to Yahoo Mail, you should be able to install the Yahoo Go application OTA. There is no "application loader" way of doing it.

On my Cingular branded 8800, the GPS would function fine with Google Maps. I can't speak about the newer versions.


Posted by: skelly08096

I have a few questions regarding a Blackberry Curve on T-Mobile's network.

Currently I have a Wing without a data plan, I just use the wifi where ever i go. If I purchase a Curve without a data plan, would I be able to use the wifi to check emailand browse the internet? Additionally, I am currently on a family plan that has 5 members and unlimited sms and mms. I was wondering how much an unlimited data plan (just internet, no minutes) would cost.

Thanks in advance


Posted by: edjperkins

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmcmullen
I don't know where you got your info at, but it is wrong.. RIM dosen't care why you buy blackberries as long as you are buying one.

There is nothing stoping someone from buying a blackberry just to use the keyboard for SMS or whatever reason they want it for.. They don't have to get a BB data plan if they don't want to.. Although if you as me it is pretty crazy to have a blackberry without a data plan



I agree! Why have a Blackberry if you are not going to use the data features. That is what the Blackberry was designed for. Another reason to have a data plan is to protect yourself from all of the data overage you will receive without a plan.

That Blackberry is always talking to the the network, looking for new email to PUSH to the device. This is inherent in how a Blackberry is designed. I have worked for 3 large carriers, and everyone I have ever worked for requires the data plan. RIM does require it.

Although it is true, you can buy one on ebay and pop a sim in, if it has a sim slot. Not all Blackberry units do. You may end up not being able to use the full funtionality of what is programmed on the sim however. I have seen that happen in the past.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by rjl2001
OK, thanks loveanh. But I should've been more clear. I have an unlimited data plan, just not the BB data plan. Which were you referring to?


The mediamax 200, it works fine if you are not looking for "push" email however, the Gmail app works great with the unlimited data plan.


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by edjperkins
I agree! Why have a Blackberry if you are not going to use the data features. That is what the Blackberry was designed for. Another reason to have a data plan is to protect yourself from all of the data overage you will receive without a plan.

That Blackberry is always talking to the the network, looking for new email to PUSH to the device. This is inherent in how a Blackberry is designed. I have worked for 3 large carriers, and everyone I have ever worked for requires the data plan. RIM does require it.

Although it is true, you can buy one on ebay and pop a sim in, if it has a sim slot. Not all Blackberry units do. You may end up not being able to use the full funtionality of what is programmed on the sim however. I have seen that happen in the past.


I don't use or need push e-mail on my BB. Get enough e-mail at the office, so when I'm not at my desk, I don't want it.

So why did I get a BB?


1) $30 refurb curve's through my work sponsored personal plan for wife.
2) I like the QWERTY keyboard for SMS
3) Reliable OS
4) Work provides a regular voice/data plan for my phone (not BB)
5) Works great as a phone (good quality, speakerphone, features)
6) The BT on BBs works well with my car's BT system (unlike Blackjack)
7) Quad Band for int'l travel
8) Small form factor for a QWERTY smart phone

Just because a person doesn't use ALL of the features of a device, doesn't mean the device doesn't serve him well. Many people have camera phones, but never use the camera. Or music phones without using the MP3 player.


Posted by: wrekanyze

I just bought a new Red 8310, and I took the Sim Card from my iPhone and stuck it in the Blackberry. I had no trouble accessing the internet, making or receiving calls or sending texts. Since I have unlimited data through the iPhone plan will I be able to continue to use all of these services without being charged overages?

Thanks guys.


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrekanyze
I just bought a new Red 8310, and I took the Sim Card from my iPhone and stuck it in the Blackberry. I had no trouble accessing the internet, making or receiving calls or sending texts. Since I have unlimited data through the iPhone plan will I be able to continue to use all of these services without being charged overages?

Thanks guys.


yes, i did the same


Posted by: wrekanyze

Quote:
Originally Posted by loveanh
yes, i did the same


Sweet, can you use the e-mail service as well or will that require a BB plan?


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrekanyze
Sweet, can you use the e-mail service as well or will that require a BB plan?


to use the push email you'll need the BB plan but if you have Gmail, there's the Gmail app and that doesn't require the BB plan


Posted by: Snarflax

If you are on verizon you have to have a BB data plan. They don't use sim cards. It runs through the BB server and won't function without it. There is no way around it, from what i can see. Why would you not want to take advantage of all the functions of a PDA device??? People amaze me...there are plenty of phones with keyboards.


Posted by: b0stonirishguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by edjperkins
I agree! Why have a Blackberry if you are not going to use the data features. That is what the Blackberry was designed for.


Couldn't agree more. But to each his own, I guess. The BIS Personal is only $10 more than the MediMax. Why not have the best of both worlds? My BIS works fine in any device, including the iPhone.


Posted by: duke32

Does any know how to sync outlook with an alltel blackberry 7250. For that matter, I don't want to sign up for a data package. I would like to use outlook and as far as emails, if my emails just showed up in outlook on my blackberry when i had it synced to my computer that would be fine with me. I really like to sync my office calendar to my blackberry without the need for instant emails. If anyone has heard of or knows the way I would be much appreciative. duke32


Posted by: chonga

I'm also debating purchasing the 8310 off of my premier site for $99 without any BB data plan. Why?

3.5mm output. So hard to find these days, very convenient for casual music listening.
QWERTY. I send about 800 texts out a month which is a decent amount, enough that a qwerty would be a nice new feature to have.
Nice big screen! Love the screen on these things and it's a sleek looking device.
GPS - will add on the $15 unlimited media net in conjunction with google maps. Also IM+ or Agile would be a good app to have that does not require BB plan.


Other points to note: My company does NOT allow you to sync/forward/read any e-mail on a personal pda/phone. The only way you can read e-mail is at your desk.... besides, getting hundreds of emails per day at my job would not be fun to receive on my personal blackberry. Nor would I like to be within reach of anybody when work is over... i don't want emails sent to me while i'm at home at night!

Also, what type of email are you people receiving that you need it pushed if it's a personal email account? I mean yes, work e-mail is very important to receive instantly throughout the day, but for you that don't work in an environemnt as demanding, what are you receiving/sending that is so darn important that it requries instant push email? I send out a few jokes here and there and stay in touch with relatives, but it's nothing I can't do when I get home? Not being a wet blanket, but I'm just curious.


Posted by: AlexAnd

on cincinnati bell it says you need to be subscribe to the service for 3 months, and you get 100 dollar rebate, so can you cancel it because cincinnatibell has no contracts?


Posted by: ZeroCoolZ

Hi!

If I want to use my blackberry only as a phone (travelling to another country), how can I desactivate data to make sure I don't pay for it?


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroCoolZ
Hi!

If I want to use my blackberry only as a phone (travelling to another country), how can I desactivate data to make sure I don't pay for it?



Options -> Mobile Network -> Data Services = Off


Posted by: ZeroCoolZ

I don't have "mobile network" under options


Posted by: wrekanyze

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroCoolZ
I don't have "mobile network" under options


Which BB do you have?


Posted by: ZeroCoolZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrekanyze
Which BB do you have?


Blackberry 7290


Posted by: jetfxr

Whats the best way to get contacts from exchange server to Curve?


Posted by: MTS CORP REP

no questions asked...BES.

....if no bes and you just want to do contacts, save your contacts as a VCF, and email them to yourself.


Posted by: jimmybob1997

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack T. Chance
There's a lot of misinformation on this thread, so let me set the record straight as I've understood the situation to be.

As I understand it, NO carrier will let you use a BlackBerry without the associated BlackBerry data plan, because they've all signed agreements with RIM wherein they agreed to make sure that ALL customers using a BlackBerry were also signed up for a BB data plan.

This is something I heard back in 2005, however, so my info may be out of date. Perhaps things have changed since then, I just can't verify that they have.


Untrue, when I first purchased my blackberry it worked fine on the regular plan without a data plan and the sales rep even suggested I don't get a data plan to save me money. It will send sms, recieve calls, and function as a blackberry with the exception of lack of browser or facebook or data use apps.


Posted by: jgantes

It may work fine, but Verizon Wireless wouldn't let me (or anyone I know) buy it w/o their data plan. Each time I change phones or try to remove the data portion my rep says he gets an error. A revenue game I suppose...


Posted by: jimmybob1997

Quote:
Originally Posted by jgantes
It may work fine, but Verizon Wireless wouldn't let me (or anyone I know) buy it w/o their data plan. Each time I change phones or try to remove the data portion my rep says he gets an error. A revenue game I suppose...


You mean when you buy a regular phone? They can't take the data portion off or when you buy a different blackberry they can't?


Posted by: canecreekfreak

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I read the last 10 pages of this post, and didn't see an answer to this question.

Has anyone ordered a BB directly from the AT&T website without a data plan? If so, did you encounter any problems? Did AT&T force a data plan on you? TIA.


Posted by: Mr. Bond

It didn't require me to, however even if it does, you can always cancel it in OLAM.


Posted by: jimmybob1997

Quote:
Originally Posted by canecreekfreak
Sorry if this has been answered already, but I read the last 10 pages of this post, and didn't see an answer to this question.

Has anyone ordered a BB directly from the AT&T website without a data plan? If so, did you encounter any problems? Did AT&T force a data plan on you? TIA.


Not from at&t but bell actully advised me not to get a data plan because I wouldn't use the phone for that. But I got one anyways ridiculas plans in canada!


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by canecreekfreak
Sorry if this has been answered already, but I read the last 10 pages of this post, and didn't see an answer to this question.

Has anyone ordered a BB directly from the AT&T website without a data plan? If so, did you encounter any problems? Did AT&T force a data plan on you? TIA.



Ordered 6+ BBs w/o a data plan.


Posted by: canecreekfreak

Cool- thanks for the responses folks. That puts my mind at ease. And now for the NOOB part of my post- OLAM?? Thanks again!!!



Posted by: M_Dee

Quote:
Originally Posted by canecreekfreak
Sorry if this has been answered already, but I read the last 10 pages of this post, and didn't see an answer to this question.

Has anyone ordered a BB directly from the AT&T website without a data plan? If so, did you encounter any problems? Did AT&T force a data plan on you? TIA.


I ordered my curve online without a data plan back in January. The only things you have to add are the phone that you want and the voice plan. Once you add those, you can skip past the data plan/text packages/accessories/other junk and go straight to the checkout screen.

And OLAM = Online Account Manager


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by M_Dee
I ordered my curve online without a data plan back in January. The only things you have to add are the phone that you want and the voice plan. Once you add those, you can skip past the data plan/text packages/accessories/other junk and go straight to the checkout screen.

And OLAM = Online Account Manager



Yeah, Cingular/AT&T used to not sell BB products without a BB plan and were quite strict about it. Lately they don't seem to care. I ordered a refurb 8300 Curve on Premier for $30 and didn't need to add anything except the phone to my cart.


Posted by: tarawa

I called in my order for a Curve and I didn't get asked about having to add a data plan. I didn't inquire about it either.


Posted by: trenema

My wife uses a Pearl on AT@T with no data plan. Just uses it to call and text.


Posted by: jgantes

Lowest VZW would go on my business account was $24/month.


Posted by: zepfan

So I've glanced over the past couple pages, but i may have missed it. I have an Env now with Verizon, but just bought a Blackberry 7130e on ebay. Do I have to get a data plan? I've heard something about a national black or something? I'm gonna have to not use phone if I have to get a data plan.


Posted by: LockdownInc

Zepfan,
I wondered the same thing, asked, and received two different answers:
1) from the Sprint store; if I bought a Sprint Blackberry, I didn't have to buy a BB data plan; if I bought a Nextel Blackberry, I had to. Of course, I had prefaced my question by saying that I had a Nextel phone now. The guy at the store said there was some "national agreement" between BB and Sprint/Nextel... then again, he also told me that there were NO NEW NEXTEL PHONES COMING OUT, and the Nextel system was ANTIQUATED AND BEING SHUT DOWN. I next mentioned that the CEO apparently felt differently, and this guy said "well, I'm glad you came in to get the correct information"!!!!

Anyway,
2) from a local reseller on the other side of town: "you don't have to buy anything" "just tell Sprint that you don't want the data plan, and they won't force you". Oh yeah, this guy said "yeah, I heard there are 3 Nextel phones coming out in April 08... don't know which ones, but I'm waiting too!"

So, to sum it up, no data plan needed if you don't want one.


Posted by: zepfan

LockdownInc

Thanks for the answer. I just hope that works for verizon too. Thanks.


Posted by: howsyouredge

Quote:
Originally Posted by skelly08096
I have a few questions regarding a Blackberry Curve on T-Mobile's network.

Currently I have a Wing without a data plan, I just use the wifi where ever i go. If I purchase a Curve without a data plan, would I be able to use the wifi to check emailand browse the internet? Additionally, I am currently on a family plan that has 5 members and unlimited sms and mms. I was wondering how much an unlimited data plan (just internet, no minutes) would cost.

Thanks in advance


Any answer on this one? I'd like to know too. Thanks!


Posted by: rhibbert

you can purchase a blackberry and use it as just a voice and sms phone there is no requirement for a blackberry plan.also with the blackberry curve you can send and receive pictures with out having a blackberry plan the only blackberry to allow you to do that so far


Posted by: howsyouredge

Quote:
Originally Posted by rhibbert
you can purchase a blackberry and use it as just a voice and sms phone there is no requirement for a blackberry plan. also with the blackberry curve you can send and receive pictures with out having a blackberry plan the only blackberry to allow you to do that so far


I believe that last part depends on your service provider. Tmobile does not allow MMS with the curve as far as I can tell. I can't send pics. And when I receive pictures, I get an SMS message "go to tmobilepictures.com..."


Posted by: wrekanyze

Quote:
Originally Posted by howsyouredge
I believe that last part depends on your service provider. Tmobile does not allow MMS with the curve as far as I can tell. I can't send pics. And when I receive pictures, I get an SMS message "go to tmobilepictures.com..."


Yeah, MMS uses data, and if you don't have a data package, you have no way of actually downloading the image or video that you were sent. So, SMS will still work with no data plan, but MMS will definitely not, even on ATT.


Posted by: howsyouredge

Quote:
Originally Posted by skelly08096
I have a few questions regarding a Blackberry Curve on T-Mobile's network.

Currently I have a Wing without a data plan, I just use the wifi where ever i go. If I purchase a Curve without a data plan, would I be able to use the wifi to check emailand browse the internet? Additionally, I am currently on a family plan that has 5 members and unlimited sms and mms. I was wondering how much an unlimited data plan (just internet, no minutes) would cost.

Thanks in advance


I can answer this because after some fiddling, I got it to work.

I can surf the internet over wifi with my bb, but only with the bb browser. You still can't use opera mini YET. They are working on a version that will interface with wifi instead of the data plan "layer."

In options -> mobile network -> Data Preference, select WI-FI Preferred, Data Services ON.

That should do it.

No idea on email. Sorry.


Posted by: zepfan

Update. Verizon no longer offers pay as you go/NAB. I just spoke with tech support, who knew what it was and was going to do that for me, but said it's not an option they can do anymore.


Posted by: celtictech

Ok, I got MMS & MediaNet browser to work on my pearl using just the iPhone data plan.

The Mobilkom Austria [A1] 4.2.1.101 OS will load the service books necessary for MMS onto the phone. I downloaded it from here: http://members.a1.net/updateservice/bb/

After it is downloaded, run it and then delete the vendor.xml file. Then connnect your pearl to your pc & install using desktop manager.


Posted by: jimmybob1997

So your somehow running your Blackberry Pearl off of an Iphone plan?


Posted by: celtictech

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian-Pelletier
So your somehow running your Blackberry Pearl off of an Iphone plan?

Yes, I use the sim from my iPhone in my pearl in situations when I don't want to use my iPhone.


Posted by: david9962000

The Pearl make a great phone, perfect size and very good for sms.


Posted by: jimmybob1997

Quote:
Originally Posted by celtictech
Yes, I use the sim from my iPhone in my pearl in situations when I don't want to use my iPhone.


Yes that makes more sense. I was under the impression you we're with Bell, Alltel ect. Which are CDMA. Didn't see you we're with AT&T which used to be rogers which use GSM.


Posted by: xspeedy

Quote:
Originally Posted by david9962000
The Pearl make a great phone, perfect size and very good for sms.


Really? I don't see the benefit over a regular phone for SMS. I prefer the Curve with its QWERTY keyboard for messaging.

I don't have a BB plan, but love it for general phone, SMS, and occasional GMaps using standard pay-as-you-go data access.


Posted by: tjsooley

you guys dont get around much http://www.blackberryforums.com/bla...pip-no-bes.html
this tells you how to have internet without bb data plan


Posted by: 2saints

Quote:
Originally Posted by tjsooley
you guys dont get around much http://www.blackberryforums.com/bla...pip-no-bes.html
this tells you how to have internet without bb data plan



LMAO

BlackBerry Internet - MSN/chat/web/telnet/TCPIP - No BES! - 01-08-2005, 11:50 AM

This just in, the iPhone has been released.


Posted by: PPCMD

The iPhone is the love child of WindowsMobile and PalmOS, sad but true. Yes I can say that because just like PalmOS the iPhone will only run one app at a time and just like WindowsMobile the iPhone will run ActiveSync. So what you get is a phone that will have sync issues, poor battery life and the inability to do more than one thing at a time since the Jobsidiot requires it to be so. Oh and I own a lot of Apple products, just not the iPhone.


Posted by: vietalogy

I was thinking about getting a bb to replace my iphone. But was wondering if the sms on bb are threaded like the iphone and treo? Also if you can post up screen shots of sms convo or how they look in box.


Posted by: shuntbumps

May be a bit late to add anything but the carrier I work for has a policy that we never offer to not activate a data plan, though it is certainly possible. I would recommend a data block to prevent accidental usage though because a blackberry uses way more data than a regular phone and pay per use charges can be astronomical if you aren't careful.

Also yes, a data plan does usually make the purchase cheaper. However if you already have one and put just put your sim in that's not a problem. Also usually a regular data plan won't work with a blackberry because a regular phone accesses data through a wap gateway that makes it possible to view (scaled down) web pages on a phone. A data device has a browsing experience more similar to a computer, hence using waaay more data.


Posted by: berry-berry

Quote:
Originally Posted by tjsooley
you guys dont get around much http://www.blackberryforums.com/bla...pip-no-bes.html
this tells you how to have internet without bb data plan

is there any way to do this for Wi Fi?


Posted by: nykman8

I understand that if I go into verizon and want to purchase a BB I'll have to get the data plan, but what if i already have a contract with them and a phone (vx9400)
If I buy a BB from somebody off eBay or Craigslist and I activate the phone through their website will the phone work for sms and phone calls?
I am thinking that it would, but don't want to pay $200-300 then try to activate the phone and get errors...

Thanks for the help


Posted by: shwank33

I have a BB Pearl from Verizon that I am trying to activate on the alltel network. I updated all the firmware and stuff but can I activate it on alltels network without the blackberry service? My friend works for alltel and says he was told that if a person activates a blackberry on alltels network that no matter what the account would be audited and the feature would be added.

I would just like to if thats 100% true or if there is a way to block the data services. I know sometimes the upper level people in companies say somethings to their employees just so they make more money, but if I can save some money then im gonna try to do that. Please let me know if anyone knows. Thanks.


Posted by: Ombus

I don't have experience with alltel, but I don't think you need to worry about getting Blackberry service unexpectedly.

Just go ask them to activate your phone.
At worst, they won't do it because they are not allowed to activate it without a Blackberry plan.