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Treo 700p released!!!!
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Posted by: fishera

Palm announced the Treo 700p. This means that the update for the Treo 650 will probably be true. Also if you ask someone at the Palm store, they will say a brand new Treo for GSM will be coming out in October time.

My only question is if this new Treo 700p also supports the Palm SD Wifi card?

Posted by: cellphonejunky

Yeah I heard the gsm version out in OCT will be 3G,
YAY for umts/hsdpa

I also heard the units will come with drivers for the wifi card. FInally Palm heard all of the complaints of low system memory. Finally more memory.!!!!

Posted by: Kabuk1

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This means that the update for the Treo 650 will probably be true.

What update?

Posted by: uselessnanhai

Update: Interesting info. Phone Scoop called to let us know a few hurtful details about the 700p. First, their SDIO slot won't support WiFi (which is like, half the point). Apparently they think EV-DO should be enough. It also does not support voice dialing over Bluetooth, nor does it officially support SD cards over 2GB. However it does come with a basic version of PocketTunes -- but lacks PlaysForSure support. D'oh indeed.

from engadgetmobile.com

dang, no wifi!? wtf... no voice dialing over bt. well.. that just killed this for me.

Posted by: TWO515TY

Well damn, why couldn't they add those simple features? For almost $700 (That's almost two computers or a laptop!) they should cover everything, especially when there are cheaper PDA phones that do the same things.

As far as EV-DO being enough, that's garbage. What if you don't have EV-DO coverage in your area? What if you're in an area with a weak signal and you want to get online? I Know in my anatomy classroom, Sprint doesn't get service. How am I gonna use my blazing fast EV-DO connection to get online and download my notes if I have no service. Sometimes it amazes me how these big companies leave such little things out of their products.

EDIT: In fact, I think part of the reason they won't include wifi is so Sprint and Verizon (especially Verizon) can make more money off their data plans.

Right now, to me, the 700p is looking like a 650 with EV-DO and a better camera. Is that worth $700? I definately don't think so. If I get this phone, it'll be because I found it for $400 or less, or because someone else bought it for me (my birthday is July 1 if any of you other HoFo members want to be generous

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Posted by: Chillin

So what's the point of upgrading?

(I am talking about the GSM version)

It has a better camera... ...and possibly faster data rates. ...and?

Posted by: Kabuk1

That's what I'm saying. Unless there are some very significant improvements, I'll be keeping my 650 and waiting until the 700's price drops waaaaaay down & any OS problems get fixed.

Posted by: wldcat2

I love this forum

I was planning on buying a 650 today but I wanted to wait and see what the 700p really looked like. Now after reading about it I think I stick with the 650 and just wait awhile on the 700. Maybe I can get a better deal on a 650 now though

Posted by: wldcat2

I'm wondering about a couple of the things on the press release....

First, it says "Access to AOL, Gmail and Yahoo email". Is this simply because it has VersaMail bundled?

Secondly, it says "send calls to voicemail and automatically respond with a discreet text message when you can't take a call". Can the 650 do this?

Posted by: fishera

Well I will clear up some rumors about the Treo 650 firmware update. It is code named "lowtide" and adds support for the Palm SD Wifi card. It was also said to have bluetooth firmware updates and added support for the new 4GB SD card. But something that makes me think it is true is that fact that PocketTunes will replace Real Player; which it seems to have done in the Treo 700p.

Also the PocketTunes version on the Treo 700p supports PlayforSure, unless it says otherwise in the fine fine print. I would for sure purchase the Treo 700p if I were on Sprint or Verizon. The EvDO Speeds are a big deal if you are on those networks, its like being connected to DSL. Also the 1.3MP camera is a major improvment over the Treo 650's 0.3MP camera. In addition the 128MB of memory is not a MAJOR advancement, but it is more reasonable then 32MB in the Treo 650.

I am waiting for the Treo 700 for GSM networks. But the Treo 650 update will keep me over on my Treo 650 and not switch networks at all. But since the Treo 650 isn't 3G, it only has EDGE not 3G technologies.

EDGE can carry 236.8 kbit/s
EvDO can carry 400-600kbps

So if I am on Sprint or Verizon and want this phone, I would get it. Also it is probably only going to be around $299 on these networks, not $700.

I am waiting for the GSM version. Why won't Palm EVER release that first?!!!!

Posted by: fishera

Read here for a ton of info. Palm OS 5.4.9 brings a lot new.

http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/...o-700p-preview/

Posted by: Darth Pooh

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Originally Posted by fishera

Well I will clear up some rumors about the Treo 650 firmware update. It is code named "lowtide" and adds support for the Palm SD Wifi card. It was also said to have bluetooth firmware updates and added support for the new 4GB SD card. But something that makes me think it is true is that fact that PocketTunes will replace Real Player; which it seems to have done in the Treo 700p.

Also the PocketTunes version on the Treo 700p supports PlayforSure, unless it says otherwise in the fine fine print. I would for sure purchase the Treo 700p if I were on Sprint or Verizon. The EvDO Speeds are a big deal if you are on those networks, its like being connected to DSL. Also the 1.3MP camera is a major improvment over the Treo 650's 0.3MP camera. In addition the 128MB of memory is not a MAJOR advancement, but it is more reasonable then 32MB in the Treo 650.

I am waiting for the Treo 700 for GSM networks. But the Treo 650 update will keep me over on my Treo 650 and not switch networks at all. But since the Treo 650 isn't 3G, it only has EDGE not 3G technologies.

EDGE can carry 236.8 kbit/s
EvDO can carry 400-600kbps

So if I am on Sprint or Verizon and want this phone, I would get it. Also it is probably only going to be around $299 on these networks, not $700.

I am waiting for the GSM version. Why won't Palm EVER release that first?!!!!

There is ***NO SD wifi support***, why does this keep getting thrown around as fact? At release, it will NOT be included.

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

cause sprint has palm by the ballz!!.. sigh......lol..

Posted by: Quake97

Yeah, all of the carriers have Palm by the calls, hence no wifi. They'd prefer they buy a data place. I can definitely see this from Cingular and Verizon, since their data plans rape you. Sprint and T-Mobile are cheaper and may not care as much. It seems the carriers want the HTC Windows Mobile devices so badly, they don't care they have wifi.

Joe

Posted by: JwY

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Originally Posted by Chillin

So what's the point of upgrading?

(I am talking about the GSM version)

It has a better camera... ...and possibly faster data rates. ...and?

yeah it doesn't seem to bring much
they could have at least changed the form factor a bit

Posted by: Quake97

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Originally Posted by JwY

yeah it doesn't seem to bring much
they could have at least changed the form factor a bit

Why change what works? The Treo has the best form factor out there!

Joe

Posted by: eimajuno

All I hope for is that the next GSM treo hopefully will have WM5. I find that the Palm OS is way to buggy and my HTC wizard has been nothing but stable (suprised me)

Posted by: wshwe

Bye Palm! Palm announces another underwhelming Treo release. It's unfortunate this passes off as a major product launch.

Posted by: tartis

If it had WiFi and a newer OS, I would buy it. But I guess that I will stick to my Treo 650 for now until I find something better. The 700p would be fine if I did not already have a 650, but it is not worth the upgrade price for such little change. It will be nice to see all the new Windows Mobile 5 phones coming out soon with a keyboard.

Posted by: UncleDannie

I've been waiting all year for the 700p, thinking it would have wifi. Bummer. I just signed up for T-Mobile service and got a MDA PC Phone running WM5, comes with bluetooth and wifi, that actually work. Phone costs $250 and the company sends you $325 in rebate checks. You make $75 on the deal. http://www.howardforums.com/wirele...c=SGS121&cp=MDA if you're interested in the specifics. The special rebates ends today. I'm going to keep both phones for a month and see which one I like. Palm is always shooting themselves in the foot. I think Palm OS is nicer, but Windows has the toys.

Posted by: Chillin

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Originally Posted by fishera

Since the Treo 700 does not have support for WiFi cards and does not support 4GB cards, why would they release a update for the Treo 650 that included those. That would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Ya, it has 128MB memory, but only 60MB user accessable. So why even mention 128MB? It is 60MB.

Posted by: UncleDannie

I give up! You read one thing from one group, another from some other group, so I don't know. So, where is this update for my Verizon branded Treo 650?

Posted by: fishera

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; PalmSource/hspr-H102; Blazer/4.2) 16;320x320)

The update is suppost to ship later this month for the Treo 650. Personally that is what I am waiting for.

Posted by: vicprezwak

what is the update supposed to do?

Posted by: JwY

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Originally Posted by Quake97

Why change what works? The Treo has the best form factor out there!

Joe

as in making it slimmer or getting rid of the antenna
i wouldn't know why people would want a fatter phone or an antenna that could be done without

Posted by: airwalk3r

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Originally Posted by JwY

as in making it slimmer or getting rid of the antenna
i wouldn't know why people would want a fatter phone or an antenna that could be done without

I agree.

1) Majority of phones nowadays use internal antennas, initially popularized by the early Nokia candy-bar phones. The Treo looks pretty dorky and outdated, with the fat, stubby antenna.

I tried to get some woman friends to consider the Treo for a PDA phone, but they all went for the sexier looking HTCs and O2 Minis instead, despite hanging more often.

2) Making it a little thinner would be welcome. If you open the battery compartment, there seems to be empty spaces that could have been used more efficiently. Use a flatter battery or re-engineer the internals.. We're in the age of the iPod Nano!

Posted by: airwalk3r

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Originally Posted by wshwe

Bye Palm! Palm announces another underwhelming Treo release. It's unfortunate this passes off as a major product launch.

Well.. we all should have known! The 650 was a relatively minor update to the 600 (better screen, camera, but still same form factor), which was a major update to the 180 and 300 (?).

700w was not quite different, apart from different OS. And they designated it as 700p, instead of 800 or 900.. nobody noticed this naming clue?

So obviously there wouldn't be much revolutionary updates to look forward to.

Posted by: dvdmon

First of all, from what I've heard, the 700P DOES support 4GB cards - it formats the card in FAT32 format which can do much more than the 2GB limit of FAT16.

Secondly, while EDGE might have a theoretical maximum burst speed of 216Kbps, the normal average transfer speed is usually rated at 100-200kbps, and in my experience it's closer to the lower end of this, sometimes going quite a bit under 100kbps. I can't speak for EVDO, but there are apparently a couple of different versions of it which have different speeds. The first to be put out there was lower, and the second is higher. If you look at the video demo I saw of the 700p, the browser loading looked several times faster at least than anything I get with EDGE. For most uses, this isn't a huge deal, but I for one would love to have this kind of speed for Palm VNC so I could scroll around my desktop at home at close to real-time speeds...

Anyway, in rationalizing an upgrade, here's some data:

- At least twice as fast (if you have EVDO in your area) as 1xRTT or EDGE
- 4x better resolution still camera and video.
- Streaming of WMV and MP3 out of the box
- Sprint offers that Sprint TV with their data pan, which is similar to MobiTV but without the extra cost.
- It has a different keyboard which is theoretically easier to type with (although I'll believe it when I actually try it)
- MORE MEMORY - 60MB for the user, as opposed to what, 15 or 20MB for the 650?
- It looks like you might be able to use more than one BT device at once, so you can now use your BT headset and your GPS at once.

On the downside:
- same screen resolution
- still no wifi
- still no BT 2.0 (so no listening to music, etc. via a BT stereo headset, and no voice commands/voice dialing through a BT headset)
- Still Palm OS5.X Garnet
- looks like you will now be forced to pay extra for DUN, even if you have PDANet.

So, while this isn't a home run, or a revolutionary new device, it is a nice evolutionary upgrade to the T650. I think we all would have liked something more dramatic after wating almost 18 months since the 650 came out, but I for one will spend the $100-200 (net after selling my 650) for an ehanced phone. But that's just me. I'm sure many out there are perfectly happy with their 650's and don't feel any great need to upgrade. I actually don't feel the "need" to either, just think the added features would be nice and I don't consider $100-200 an outlandish price to pay for a new phone with some good enhancements over the one I have now (the 650)...

Posted by: Quatre

well if you want wifi get the superior xv6700 ( ppc6700 on sprint)

i already have an xv6700 and have to pick a new phone to get with my moto v710 class action refund so i'm getting the 700p as i like the calendar and taks apps better on palm os then wm5 and certain other little things plus the 700p has an improved larger better resolution screen over the 700w

from the reviews and the videos, the blazer browser is really good and fast with evdo possibly better then pie on wm5. i'll have to compare as i'll be using both.

once gsm (cingular) gets their highspeed data by way of umts/hsdpa I prob wont use any cdma carrier anymore as i currenlty use vzw just for the faster data and some free in calling.

Posted by: Kabuk1

Superior, my aunt fanny... Superior in locking up, crashing, and generally p!$$ing me off! I had a 6700 for a month and have never HATED any phone more.

Posted by: Quatre

you must not have hacked/customized it and added the proper programs etc. etc.

there is whole threads and lists of what to do when you first get it and all the best reg edits etc. to make it the best device ever.

ppl who have it love the customizability of it and all the reg edits etc. even for a newb its not hard, you just read what are the best most recommended ones and follow a list.

Posted by: Kabuk1

Trust me, my friends don't call me "ac1d8urn" cause I was in a chemistry class accident(you have seen hackers, right?). I hacked the thing to bits, WM5 is just a POS. I have an ipaq hx4705 running WM2003 & it's just fine.

I demand smooth, fast performance out of my gadgets. The treo has cut it quite well for a year & a half now, and the 6700 just didn't.

Posted by: Quatre

ok well wm5 does have some benefits over wm2003 but i'll trust your opinion and you seem to know what your talking about which I didnt' realize after your first comment. I assumed you were someone who tried out the 6700 and just didn't know how to customize it to their liking etc.

so if you like the treo 650 i'm assuming you like the 700p then which i'm getting to use in conjunction with my 6700 but i still think overall i'm still going to prefer the 6700

i have admitted that i like the calendar and task apps better on palm os then wm5 but those are minor things.

Posted by: Kabuk1

Yeah I'd like to have the 700p, but...

A: lack of funds

B: the 700's features are not enough of an upgrade to the 650 to warrant selling a precious kidney to get one

C: EVDO not THAT great, and sprint charges for DUN now on EVDO plans

Posted by: tartis

The 6700 is a great device, it just sucks for one handed operation while driving. The EVDo is fast, but the WiFi is just smokin if you have it available. I had a Sprint 6700 but am now back on my Treo 650 because of one-handed operation, and the 6700 just seemed too much like a brick. The 700p EVDO would be nice, but lack of WiFi and an updated OS keep me from forking over $600.00.

Posted by: Quatre

well i can get a 700p for next to nothing through the v710 class action exchange site etc. (dont ask for a full explanation, search it if curious or check the 1,000's of posts on the "v710 settlement concluded" thread)

i do miss some things about my treo 650 but that is on gsm and can be sold once i get the 700p. I can switch esn online to switch between the 6700 and the 700p but maybe i'll try out he 700p for awhile as my main data and cdma phone which i only use for some free incalling while i have another phone for the majority of voice which is why the 6700 works for me as a mostly data device but i do miss some palm apps and 6700 does suck for texting while driving and lack of one handedness.

plus even if the 6700 isn't active I imagine i can use the wifi to use the web and check email etc. from home and in bed etc. while the 700p can be my on the go device becaue i only use wifi at home really as there really is nowhere I can pick up other wifi that isn't protected/passworded etc. so i always have to use evdo away from the house anyway.

i dont go to coffe shops and stuff and even when i go to ppls houses that have wifi its all protected and they either dont know how to get me on it or dont want to give out passwords etc. so yeah i just really have never used wifi outside the house other hten in a hotel room once with my psp and even that you have to the password for the room. I mean it would be fun with the 6700 to be out and pick up networks and try to break in and sure i could with other progs etc. but really it was never practical.

i mean ideally for a wifi pda for surfing and email etc. from home and in bed i would have something with a bigger screen but at least i can still make use of the 6700 this way when i try out the 700p as my main device for awhile.