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Posted by: s2scott

I'm back to being a Blackberry user. Has anyone reviewed their invoice and noticed that no message is smaller then 20,000 bytes.

That's just not the case. What's going on with the billing metering of message sizes?

Thanks,

Posted by: Dreaderus

perhaps i am misunderstanding what you are asking, but for blackberry usage, any charges below 200 bytes are dropped, to avoid reconnection charges when the blackberry on its own tries to reconnect with the servers.

Dreaderus

Posted by: jase88

I couldn't imagine how many pages of data charges would appear on my invoice if every data transaction--no matter how small--was respresented.

Posted by: Dreaderus

well there was a time when this WAS happening, i think it was 2cents a shot, envision 500 page invoices.

Dreaderus

Posted by: tphill

On that note, is there any way Bell WON'T list every text message and data session? My bills are always over 50 pages and it's such a waste. The only option seems to be cancelling paper billing, but that won't work for me.

Posted by: Dreaderus

youd have to call in i think there is an option, also u can print out your e-bills.

Dreaderus

Posted by: belliant

i use over 5megs a month and about 500 text messages and my bill is never over 12 pages

Posted by: s2scott

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Originally Posted by Dreaderus

perhaps i am misunderstanding what you are asking, but for blackberry usage, any charges below 200 bytes are dropped, to avoid reconnection charges when the blackberry on its own tries to reconnect with the servers.

Dreaderus

Statement: All the messages onthe invoice detail are 0.02 (20,000 bytes) or larger. That's ONLY 50 messages in the 1MB tier before that tier's overages occur.

I KNOW there are messages smaller then 20,000 bytes.

Question: What message size steriod is the billing system on? The auto-more option is OFF; therefore, NO message should be larger then 1,024 bytes.

Posted by: s2scott

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Originally Posted by Dreaderus

well there was a time when this WAS happening, i think it was 2cents a shot, envision 500 page invoices.

Dreaderus

Yah, I too remember that. I had 6750 on the old billing system. When BM switched to the new billing system, it was doing stuff like that. Also, there was something with the then-new 4.0 desktop redirector or something. But the msg sizes changed. I went from a 1.5MB/m avg to 4MB/m without any real change in the emails. I left the client that drove my need for a bb and I dropped it three months into the new billing system so I never had to "finish that fight."

Being back on the 7250 now, it looks like I'm going to need some rationalizing of the billable msg sizes.

Posted by: frankie5string

I couldn't stand it anymore... when I switched to BB I cancelled my paper bill (and started getting aeroplan miles (bonus!) ... I wonder how much it costs them to print those huge invoices...

Around here we had a joke because one of our datacenters is located in front of a small "forest" of trees... the joke was that whenever a print job ran (which was excruciatingly slow), some guy would run out back and cut a couple trees down, and stick them through a vent-hole in the wall which we used to call "the wood chipper" because it had a big rotating fan...

lol!

Posted by: jase88

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Originally Posted by s2scott

The billing system doesn't represent the charge until you've consumed that minimum quantity of data.

Posted by: jase88

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Originally Posted by Dreaderus

well there was a time when this WAS happening, i think it was 2cents a shot, envision 500 page invoices.

Dreaderus

I left Rogers Blackberry last year to go to Bell. Fortunately I missed that invoice "fun"....although now I have a similar issue with SMS messages: The invoice details every sent and received message. Which, in my case, is like 300+ per month....pages and pages of the stuff.

And unfortunately I need a paper bill to recover my expenses....

Posted by: s2scott

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Originally Posted by jase88

The billing system doesn't represent the charge until you've consumed that minimum quantity of data.

Are you arguing that there IS a msg smaller then 20,000 on my invoice? The auto-more is OFF and the threshold is 1024. Technically, then, there sholdn't be a msg larger then 1024+some overhead. There are forty-eight (48) msgs and then overages start. That's >20,000 size.

Posted by: jase88

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Originally Posted by s2scott

What I'm suggesting is that the invoice isn't listing every message sent or received (i.e. no representation of each and every data transaction). It's listing your data usage incrementally...

Unless you've counted that you've sent/received 48 messages (@ 1Kb each) on your device in a month's time and are still billed overage charges? (and haven't used any other applications and/or browsers).

Posted by: s2scott

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Originally Posted by jase88

What I'm suggesting is that the invoice isn't listing every message sent or received

I don't know what your invoice looks like physically, but mine arrives in an 10x12" envelope. The 8x11" pages are unfolded and the data detail is quite exact -- transaction by transaction. It was 27 pages for three or four weeks of April.

Like the others that have flamed on regarding the number of pages/trees, mine too is enourmous.

It shows mobile brower activity, a separately billed category, it shows voice and it shows bb usage.

Under the RIM/BB usage, what I've said is correct. What I believe to be technically correct (auto-more off/1024 limit) does not reconcile with the invoice.

In MAY I have marked and will mark certain msgs -- exact time, size at origin, done a reply with zero new content, and marked and sized the replies. I have the firefly transaction numbers. When I get the MAY invoice, I'll match them up with these special msgs and compare -- mail system size to and from and the invoiced size.

I'm sure there's a "discussion" coming with DATA123.

/S

Posted by: SweetCell

Out of curiosity I looked at my usage.. these were some of my "volume" numbers the lowest one is 0.0010 and it occurs a lot on my bill. Now it certainly doesn't seem to list evertime I get an email. My phone beeps at me at least 20 times a day receiving email and usually about 100 emails a day... so I suspect that it does add them up to a certain total and then throws it on the bill.. I'm not sure at what point it decides to show the volume on the bill because I have several connections a day with volume amounts and they all vary in time and data size. Probably to keep us guessing I would think.

So these are some of the numbers I have on my bill:

0.1631
0.0186
0.0098
0.0010

As far as trees/bills I have to be competing with the big boys on that.. with 5 phones 3 very heavy data users now.. I get that great big envelope too... and I have to have the details for tax purposes too..

If you don't need all that info then you can have the detailed billing removed and you won't get any details for calls, data or text messages ..only calls that involve long distance charges.

Posted by: s2scott

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Originally Posted by SweetCell

So these are some of the numbers I have on my bill:

0.1631
0.0186
0.0098
0.0010

Where 1.0 is 1 MB, then...

0.1631 = 163,100 bytes
0.0186 = 18,600
0.0098 = 9,800
0.0010 = 1,000

Posted by: jase88

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Originally Posted by s2scott

Where 1.0 is 1 MB, then...

0.1631 = 163,100 bytes
0.0186 = 18,600
0.0098 = 9,800
0.0010 = 1,000

Wrong. Memory values are not based on a base 10 system.
1MB = 1048576 bytes. Based on this, the following values would equal:

0.1631 = 171023 bytes
0.0185 = 19504 bytes
0.0098 = 10276 bytes
0.0010 = 1049 bytes