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6305i: First Rebranded "Nokia" CDMA 1xEV-DO phone
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Posted by: Crossblade

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The FCC just approved a new CDMA phone in swiveling design, which should soon be available from Verizon wireless. The 6305i from Nokia is new still unannounced device and features color display and 1.3-megapixel camera. It operates on CDMA networks and will take advantage of Verizon’s high-speed EV-DO. The 6305 from Nokia also have a music player that can play music through the built-in stereo speakers.

The phone has not been officially announced by neither Nokia nor Verizon, but The images from FCC as well as the manual show the Verizon branding of the device.

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Source: Phonearena.com

Posted by: bmf05

6305 looks great/ i've been looking for the 6256i and was abt to switch ti cingular for the 6682, but ill prob hold off. any cluewhen it will hit vzw stores??

Posted by: boston_errol

hmm is it series40 or does it have verizons customized UI (bleh)?

Posted by: Freddy Flash

Anyone know about who's EV-DO chipset it's going to have? Last I heard Nokia was way behind in developing their own set, and if it's a Qualcomm chipset I'd be a bit disappointed.

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

Freddy Flash,

Not its own chipset but outsourced to SK Teletech (a subsidiary of South Korean carrier SK Telecom) for getting as many as 7 million EV-DO cellphones a year.

Posted by: Crossblade

AFAIK it is QUALCOMM

Posted by: Freddy Flash

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Originally Posted by HC - NO "i"

Freddy Flash,

Not its own chipset but outsourced to SK Teletech (a subsidiary of South Korean carrier SK Telecom) for getting as many as 7 million EV-DO cellphones a year.

Glad to see you back man!

Thanks for the heads up. That's almost a relief to hear, certainty teetering on the quality of SK's chips (I've not had experiance with them). Qualcomm's not horrid, Nokia and TI just do it better in my experinace.

Do you know if Nokia plans on keeping EV-DO chips outsourced? Hopefully they'll develop their own solution in time, they always do well in doing so.

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

Folks,

If you read the FCC filing pictures and User Guide, it gives more hints about this 6305i...

* It does not look like having a memory card slot.

* It mentions about the slider design.

* Its LCD screen is likely supplied by Casio.

* Of course, Qualcomm MSM6500 chipset components are everywhere... Amazing! I think even Nokia themselves had never imagined thing like this would happen

* The UI icons are definitely more like those found in the Korean handsets. It is a tell-tale sign of non-Symbian based anymore!

* The data / accessories / charging port does not look like Pop-port anymore. In fact, there is a picture showing a charger (AC-1004U) cable with a connector found in other Korean handsets.

* The battery, BL-6000C, is another item that does not look like other Nokia. It is "integrated" with the battery cover, instead of separate cover / battery instead.

Posted by: johnh_21

I sure hope it has the new series 40 version on it! I am not to excited about the "LG" like interface on most of their phones (Samsung and LGs). The 6236i, 6256i and the 2128i all have normal series 40 interface.

Posted by: Mr CDMA

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Originally Posted by HC - NO "i"

Folks,

If you read the FCC filing pictures and User Guide, it gives more hints about this 6305i...

* It does not look like having a memory card slot.

* It mentions about the slider design.

* Its LCD screen is likely supplied by Casio.

* Of course, Qualcomm MSM6500 chipset components are everywhere... Amazing! I think even Nokia themselves had never imagined thing like this would happen

From the looks of that abomination I would say that Nokia had absolutely nothing to do with any aspect of that phone other then putting their name on it....

Not that SKY phones are bad... apearently they are the number 2 brand in Korea so they must be ok... but this thing is an abomination because there is absolutely nothing about this phone that even hints of Nokia design.... They did not even bother to change the look of the housing to make it more Nokia like.

I laughed this mourning when I looked at the FCC photos and saw the SK logo clearly displayed on the battery....

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/...tive_or_pdf=pdf

This is a pretty clear sign if you ask me that Nokia could not care less about the CDMA market any more... it would have been better for them to pull out all together (as SonyEricsson did) then to go weak with offerings like this IMO

This should have been a straight 'Verizon' branded phone like the other Pantech&Curitel (they now own SK Teletech who makes the SKY brand) handsets have been since UTStarcom baught Audiovox and decided to stop using them for handsets

Whats with that monsterous antena on a phone that has no AMPS?

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

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Originally Posted by johnh_21

I sure hope it has the new series 40 version on it! I am not to excited about the "LG" like interface on most of their phones (Samsung and LGs). The 6236i, 6256i and the 2128i all have normal series 40 interface.

johnh_21,

Then, stick with the non-EV-DO offerings from Nokia if you could... Well, I will skip this one if it turns out to "generic" UI / Menu, than Nokia's very own. I mean, it can be done but if Nokia will do it or not. Motorola, for example, can keep using its UI / Menu when it gave its own Wally CDMA chipset and opt for Qualcomm.

Posted by: Naveen

will there be a gsm version of the nokia 6305i?

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

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Originally Posted by Naveen

will there be a gsm version of the nokia 6305i?

Naveen,

There will be NONE as this model is just to fill the vacuum of 1xEV-DO in the Nokia CDMA portfolio. It is not even made by Nokia. If you want the looks of it, just get a LG, Samsung slider.

Posted by: rteenie22

1st Nokia with VZW UI. Altho its not really a Nokia

Posted by: JP

LOL CDMA is such a Joke, Nokia doesn't even make it's own product for it lololol

Have fun with this Kyocera-looking piece of junk

Posted by: Seltzer

I abhor Qualcomm. Sweet, I'll be picking up this puppy soon.

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

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Originally Posted by JP

LOL CDMA is such a Joke, Nokia doesn't even make it's own product for it lololol

Have fun with this Kyocera-looking piece of junk

JP,

It does not even look like Kyocrea (because it is not "odd" enough

)... Just another SKY, LG or Samsung.

CDMA is not joke but a reality in certain parts of the world like South Korea and North America.

The biggest joke is Nokia keep miscalculating... From the beginning, Nokia has been trying not to deal with Qualcomm and opt to develop its in-house CDMA chipset. Then when Qualcomm push for 1xEV-DO, Nokia tried to sell the idea 1xEV-DV... Too bad, the carriers here are not buying the idea and Qualcomm poisoned it with the big question mark of EV-DV practicality, cost to implement in the real-world with finite of spectrum is available.

Anyway, it walks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck, but it's still NOT a Duck!

Posted by: dokebe91

this phone is a phone made by sk-teletech which makes sky phones...this is not a sky phone...just a phone made by sk-teletech. Nokia just put their name on the phone to make some money in the cdma market. Kyosera too slapped their name for the kyocera slider for verizon on the sky im5400. Soon Helio will bring all the phones from Korea. Phones in korea include anycall (samsing), cyon (lg), sky (sk teletech), pantech, curitel, vkmobile, ktfever, and etc. be waiting to expect great, amazing, good quality, beautiful phones in the U.S. in march of 2006

Posted by: ginblossom

This phone is actually made by SK Teletech and being branded by Nokia. The phone looks very similar with the LG 535.

Posted by: wacky.ugd

Nokia should be making their own phones, not slapping their name on other peoples stuff and calling it their own.

Posted by: ginblossom

I think what Nokia is doing is getting away from CDMA as they are not really that successful with it compared to GSM market.

LG and Samsung IMO already gained more market share worldwide in the CDMA market compared to Nokia which is unfortunate as they have been in it for a long time.

Posted by: wacky.ugd

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Originally Posted by ginblossom

I think what Nokia is doing is getting away from CDMA as they are not really that successful with it compared to GSM market.

LG and Samsung IMO already gained more market share worldwide in the CDMA market compared to Nokia which is unfortunate as they have been in it for a long time.

Nokia got lucky if anything else that they made it in the GSM market too. They had pretty crappy phone manufacturing and design. I think if they didn't have the game Snake on their phones years ago they'd be struggling to break even today.

Posted by: MikieCGY

snake owns!

Posted by: Mr CDMA

That phone is so ulgy it haunts my dreams! It's one of those things that once you've seen it you can't forget it no matter how hard you try

Posted by: Serifan

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Originally Posted by wacky.ugd

Nokia should be making their own phones, not slapping their name on other peoples stuff and calling it their own.

I agree, but the problem is that Nokia's CDMA phones use Nokia's own chipset (co-developed with Texas Instruments). Unless they make a deal with Qualcomm, they won't make an EV-Do phone for some time, so re-branding is their best bet. Still, Nokia needs to be more aggressive in the CDMA market and simply make better business decisions.

Posted by: QPhone

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Originally Posted by mistWalker

I agree, but the problem is that Nokia's CDMA phones use Nokia's own chipset (co-developed with Texas Instruments). Unless they make a deal with Qualcomm, they won't make an EV-Do phone for some time

Exactly...I've been a long time Qualcomm Shareholder since the early 90's and have been following their portfolio including Nokia.
NOKIA hates Qualcomm like there's no tomorrow. Even today they still refuse to implement Qualcomm chipsets unless they really, really, really have to. They would rather reverse engineer (as we can see by the number of unsuccesful/unpopular CDMA products) instead of paying royalties to Qualcomm.

Now their only market is GSM where as Sammy, LG and Moto cater to the entire world cellular phone market regardless of technology. Heck... in one of my previous posts from another thread http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=918366 Qualcomm has now designed a new chipset that'll have dual band cdma1xEVDO 800/1900 and quadband GSM/GPRS 850/1900/900/1800.

This new chipset is designed for even smaller and thinner phone designs "AKA" slvr and razr format.

Qualcomm knows their S**T! That's why I've been a Qualcomm fan since 92.

Posted by: nitzomoe

brutal design, way too fugly, id rather get the 6265 anyday.

Posted by: Moderator HF 25

This topic has been discussed in different forums for more than 6 months:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=766689
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=758310
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=786433

This thread will be merged with eariler discussion.

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

Ginblossom / wacky.ugd,

Besides the 5305i, there has been another rebranded CDMA flip to come at Verizon. All those non-1x, in-house, original Nokia CDMA handsets will be the final crop. Nokia and Sanyo has teamed up to develop CDMA handsets from this point on. They will be branded as Sanyo-Nokia in Japan and Nokia-Sanyo elsewhere.

Posted by: QPhone

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Originally Posted by HC - NO "i"

Ginblossom / wacky.ugd,

Besides the 5305i, there has been another rebranded CDMA flip to come at Verizon. All those non-1x, in-house, original Nokia CDMA handsets will be the final crop. Nokia and Sanyo has teamed up to develop CDMA handsets from this point on. They will be branded as Sanyo-Nokia in Japan and Nokia-Sanyo elsewhere.

Does that apply to Sony Ericsson in Japan and Ericsson Sony elsewhere as well?

Posted by: mrochester

What is with the extendable aerial?! That's so 1980s! What's it doing on a modern phone?!

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

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Originally Posted by QPhone

Does that apply to Sony Ericsson in Japan and Ericsson Sony elsewhere as well?

LOL

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

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Originally Posted by mrochester

What is with the extendable aerial?! That's so 1980s! What's it doing on a modern phone?!

mrochester,

There is a claim (could be true or myth), suggesting the CDMA handsets in general emit more radiation than handsets in other air-interface. In order to pass the FCC requirements in the US, the use of retractable antennae could "divert" some radiation away from the "hotspots".

I do not qualify to dispute this claim but many diagrams filed at FCC OET have shown the patterns and readings of SAR of the radition are different between with the antennae fully extended and antennae in rectracted position.

Posted by: QPhone

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Originally Posted by HC - NO "i"

mrochester,

There is a claim (could be true or myth), suggesting the CDMA handsets in general emit more radiation than handsets in other air-interface.

I remember reading about this and that it may be applied to GSM units, not CDMA. It's GSM that emit more because of the interference it causes to speakers, radios, and other sensitive equipment to RF! (Please correct if this is untrue - but this was a topic discussed quite some time ago)

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In order to pass the FCC requirements in the US, the use of retractable antennae could "divert" some radiation away from the "hotspots".

It's weird, one of the first "NO ANTENNA" clamshell phones ever produced (Even in the beginning during TDMA and GSM infancy) for the CDMA market was the QUALCOMM "Q" Phone during the Qualcomm days of being a phone manufacturer as well as a chipset maker evident in my signature. That thing had such strong RF. Now many, many years later... I'm back to an antenna-less clamshell, the moto v3c again with superior RF qualities.

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

QPhone,

Remember I have told you before that I have he same Q-800 and in fact, the then-BC TEL Mobility offered it to me before official launch at special "promo" price (My bottom! I still paid a fortune if my Nokia 2180 was not dying!). Well, Q-1900 has a retractable antenna though (but lack the Analog). One thing for sure, Qualcomm kept something to themselves to make the RF performance and audio quality up there. But, at that time, the world was much less complex with a few CDMA handsets vendors... Motorola would be the defacto choice for many.

Back to the topic... Nokia has been cranking out several CDMA handsets without retractable antennae but still has stellar RF performance.

Posted by: Nitro230ft

As odd as it is that Nokia would put their name on this god ugly phone, it saddens me to see Nokia conforming to this style of design to get sales. This is basically an SUPER ugly redition of a Nokia 7370 with 128mb of ram in place of the 7370's design.

Why Nokia would resort to this atrocity to boost their sales in exchange for the demolition of their name for design will forever puzzle me.

Posted by: HC - NO "i"

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Originally Posted by Nitro230ft

As odd as it is that Nokia would put their name on this god ugly phone, it saddens me to see Nokia conforming to this style of design to get sales. This is basically an SUPER ugly redition of a Nokia 7370 with 128mb of ram in place of the 7370's design.

Why Nokia would resort to this atrocity to boost their sales in exchange for the demolition of their name for design will forever puzzle me.

Nitro230ft,

So true. Well, I guess it is a transition period for Nokia. Let us to wait until the Nokia-Sanyo venture cranks out the next generation CDMA handsets.