When will Cingular start to get high-end/technologically advanced phones like Sprint

Originally Posted by hitechy

Sprint will have 3.0 Megapixel phones and Cingular will still have 1.3.

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

Once they are too big to MMS or email easily they aren't that useful to me. I use my camera to take good photos.

Originally Posted by I have a phone

1. the N80 was never on the roadmap, that's been mentioned plenty of times
2. 95% of the users don't care about 2MP phones or high speed data. That's a fact. Based on that, what sort of business model could you possible propose to make it worthwhile for an operator to bring in every high end toy?
3. Sounds like you should just go to Sprint since you're more concerned with what's cool over what works globally

Originally Posted by hitechy

The N80 was obviously in consideration since they did take the time to brand a whole bunch.

Originally Posted by hitechy

Firstly read this article:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...and-its-blurry/

Why is it Sprint keeps getting these advanced phones (mostly Samsungs) and Cingular is stuck with all the crap phones in terms of advanceness. I mean, Cingular is yet to see a phone with a 2 Megapixel camera and has only two pathetic 3G phones that are pretty bad and who knows how long it will be untill we see the next ones as Cingular's phones are always canceled or delayed. I thought we had some hope when I found out about the N80, but nope, it gets canceled.

I am seriously considering switching if Sprint gets the phones mentioned in the article. Sprint will have 3.0 Megapixel phones and Cingular will still have 1.3.

I KNOW I will switch if they don't get any good phones before Sprint releases the Samsung M250 music phone w/ 2 megapixel camera.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...-m250-tv-phone/

I could care less about simultaneous voice and data. At least Sprint actually has 3G coverage in my area.

Cingular has better coverage, but at least Sprint doesn't have cheaper sounding call quality.

Originally Posted by hitechy

I am seriously considering switching if Sprint gets the phones mentioned in the article. Sprint will have 3.0 Megapixel phones and Cingular will still have 1.3.

Originally Posted by I have a phone

1. the N80 was never on the roadmap, that's been mentioned plenty of times
2. 95% of the users don't care about 2MP phones or high speed data. That's a fact. Based on that, what sort of business model could you possible propose to make it worthwhile for an operator to bring in every high end toy?
3. Sounds like you should just go to Sprint since you're more concerned with what's cool over what works globally

Originally Posted by cingular1977

If you go to Sprint I can guarantee that you'll be back!!!

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

Just so you know Megapixels have almost nothing to do with image quality. I know a lot more about photography than I do about phones and that is just the way it is. The digital camera industry would like you to think that MP=quality, but it is super easy to make a high res. camera with a crappy pin sized image sensor that makes noisy crappy photos. On the other hand you can have a lower resolution sensor that makes much better pictures.

Personally I have not even seen one camera-phone that takes good pictures. Once they are too big to MMS or email easily they aren't that useful to me. I use my camera to take good photos.

Originally Posted by quillhill

What's really funny is that if you go to a Sprint-oriented forum, you see the same rants from the Sprint side about "When are we getting the RAZR?" and "Why do the GSM carriers get all the pimp phones?" and so on.

The grass always seems to be greener on the other side of the fence. Until you get there. Unless you're me and you ported from Sprint to Cingular. The grass is green enough for me right here on the Cingular side of things. But, like with all things cell phone related, YMMV.

Originally Posted by hitechy

Why is it Sprint keeps getting these advanced phones (mostly Samsungs)

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

Megapixels have almost nothing to do with image quality...The digital camera industry would like you to think that MP=quality

Originally Posted by mistWalker

I have said this to people a thousand times. It's similar to how Intel tried the higher MHz/GHz game. Everyone assumed that the higher number = a faster computer. Even Intel has backed off of that. Similarly, the digital camera industry plays the same game with the higher MP count. Image quality is highly dependent on the image sensor and the lens, both of which are implemented poorly on most camera-phones.

Originally Posted by Tjash2010

Once Cingular rolls out the 3g services I would predict the phones will be released much sooner. I think Cingular is so worried about everybody being able to utilize the 3g services that they dont want to put useless phones out. Even though alot of people wont use 3g, cingular seems to have a thing with thinking people want and will use 3g all the time...
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Originally Posted by tuolumne

Uh yeah...Sprint has had the MM-A800 by Samsung for over a year now...



2MP CCD w/ auto-focus and macro mode.

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

That is a very nice picture for a camera phone. I have to say "for a camera phone" because it is really a very poor quality picture compared to a real camera. The quality of the out of focus areas in the front and back (known as bokeh) are really bad, you can see the distortions of the poor quality lens. Still that said, it is a lot better than I could do with any camera phone in my possession.

Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34

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s710 from cingular was very advanced and had a great camera, didnt need 2.0 megapixels still took great pics

Originally Posted by hitechy

Cingular still doesn't have a normal (non smartphone) with a QVGA display. I thought with the exception of more memory, the S710a was much better compared to the W600i. It doesn't make sense to me how they can go from QVGA to 176X220.

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

That is a very nice picture for a camera phone. I have to say "for a camera phone" because it is really a very poor quality picture compared to a real camera. The quality of the out of focus areas in the front and back (known as bokeh) are really bad, you can see the distortions of the poor quality lens. Still that said, it is a lot better than I could do with any camera phone in my possession.

Originally Posted by tuolumne

It is distorted in the rear because it is focusing close in on the leaf in the front (auto-focus). That is not a side effect of a bad lens, it is an image feature.

The A800 is simply the best cameraphone in the United States, and was released and is still sold by Sprint.

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

The quality of the out of focus areas in the front and back (known as bokeh) are really bad, you can see the distortions of the poor quality lens.

Originally Posted by tuolumne

Because there is no warranty, the device is not officially supported? You cannot insure it through Lockline, and Data services are not guaranteed to work? And oh yes, no subsidies.

Originally Posted by pen25

well considering i dont pay for warentee since they dont cover the phones such as the stupid pink moisture stickers and where if you have the phone in the bathroom while you shower it turns pink. yup thats a good reason. the price break on the phone isnt enough to make me buy a phone from a carrier. why i love gsm. and i highly doubt when you break that screen of that 8125 if they will cover it. oh whats the fee for a phone replacement now days?

support for the equipment? thats laughable. what support? is that like whne you call aol and they tell you to power cycle the pc and modem? or sbc/at&t when you call up and they tell you the same thing on your dsl line?

Originally Posted by tuolumne

Yes, but you have to send the phone into the manufacture, you can't just walk into a Cingular store and walk out with a new phone that same day.

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

Yes, so true, and the list goes on. There are reasons it takes so long for a device to be Cingular approved. I know everyone doesn't believe it, or want to hear it, but there are some phones out there that people are buying unlocked before Cingular has finished testing that more than a few bugs have been found on... Not saying anything is pure gold and bug free when Cingular starts selling them, but they should be better off anyway.

I am sure others will have examples to prove me wrong... but whatever. I don't care, I'm not spending tons of cash on phones anyway.

Originally Posted by Ksolo12

Everybody has their own opinion, and in my opinion the Cingular branding just messes up the phone while there are plenty of bugs to be found on their software too. This after years (just kidding) of extra testing.

Originally Posted by I have a phone

I've mentioned this before; cingular doesn't mess up the phones. The vendor does when they attempt to meet the requirements of the operator

Originally Posted by Eric2203

Do you not understand the concept of warranty ? It means the phone doesn't work as advertised, by no action from you (i.e. you didn't damage it, accidentaly or not). In other words, manufacturer's fault. In which case, you get a free replacement.

Getting your phone wet or breaking a screen, even by accident, is YOUR responsibility. That's why there's such a thing as insurance (with a $50 deductible on Cingular), in case you happen to drop it, break it, get it wet... etc. In other words, your fault. No free replacement, but only the deductible to pay if you have insurance.

PS: You really need a cell phone while you take a shower ? Why ?! No wonder the moisture sticker turns red. Don't you see how much humidity you generate by taking a shower when you look in the mirror right after you step out of it ?

EDIT: Oh and one more thing. You don't have to pay for warranty, it's automatically there for.... what is it ? A year ? It's insurance you pay for. And there's a warranty on unlocked phones too, so that's irrelevant to the discussion.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

To get back on topic. The LG Cu500 is due out soon, within a couple of weeks. I would call it a technically advanced phone if I ever say one. Slim, Mobi TV and radio, sync to pc, and video calling capable which is something sprint does not have. Cingular doesn't either yet, but they will have it and will have phones that support that feature by the end of the year.

Beat that sprint.

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

Yes, so true, and the list goes on. There are reasons it takes so long for a device to be Cingular approved. I know everyone doesn't believe it, or want to hear it, but there are some phones out there that people are buying unlocked before Cingular has finished testing that more than a few bugs have been found on... Not saying anything is pure gold and bug free when Cingular starts selling them, but they should be better off anyway.

I am sure others will have examples to prove me wrong... but whatever. I don't care, I'm not spending tons of cash on phones anyway.

Originally Posted by tuolumne

Sprint has offered wireless over the air music downloads, live TV, high-speed data, as well as streaming radio for over seven months now. I think it's pretty certain who has who "beat" in the data departement.

Originally Posted by NotPennState

I tried out Sprint.Sure did love that data. Unfortunately I spent so much time playing with the data that I Missed calls.