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Posted by: .7

I am posting this thread so we can keep the conversation on this device organized. I hate to post a sticky without conformation from my sources but I think you guys are going to want to discuss it.

Usual rules apply, eveyone play nice with eachother when it comes to release dates.

Ill post some more pics and info soon.

engadget mobile new post on the Hermes

date-------------------------

Approved 10-30-06

Price---------------------------------------

unconfirmed

Specifications-----------------------

Posted by: killah21

my future phone ladies and gentlemen

Posted by: xultar

This is the device I am looking for. I'm ready to toss my WM2k3 iPaq. I need another PPC and this one is it. Combo it with my 2125 as a backup and I am so freakin prepared.
I've found that I do need a PPc. I still find that I need my laptop when I use WM5 Smartphone. Screensize is the issue for me amd the Hermes nice screen size will help me to leave the laptop behind more often. When I need just a simple sleek device...evenings out then I'll carry my 2125. That's my plan.

I'm sure though...Hermes won't be out before Q1 2k7.

Posted by: blessd24

Quote:

Originally Posted by xultar

This is the device I am looking for. I'm ready to toss my WM2k3 iPaq. I need another PPC and this one is it. Combo it with my 2125 as a backup and I am so freakin prepared.
I've found that I do need a PPc. I still find that I need my laptop when I use WM5 Smartphone. Screensize is the issue for me amd the Hermes nice screen size will help me to leave the laptop behind more often. When I need just a simple sleek device...evenings out then I'll carry my 2125. That's my plan.

I'm sure though...Hermes won't be out before Q1 2k7.

People like you and I are why they designed the SIM card. Nice and easy to switch between phones.

Posted by: strikeIII

is the hermes the same size or basically the same phone as the 8125 just with a camera on the front and with the addition to 3G? or is it the similar to the old SX66(which would be lovely)?

EDIT: nevermind i found my answer, 416MHz processor and 3G! gotta get my hands on this one....

http://www.engadget.com/2005/10/24/...-htc-star-trek/

Posted by: helpermonkey

It looks a little cheap. Is it going to look like that I wonder, or if there will be cosmetic changes. Still I am curious. I would be happy to play with it for a while.

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

It looks a little cheap. Is it going to look like that I wonder, or if there will be cosmetic changes. Still I am curious. I would be happy to play with it for a while.

There better be cosmetic changes. I'm hoping it will just be branded under HTC, as the TyTn looks MUCH better than the pic posted above.

Posted by: Naveen

the o2 version of this hermes looks very nice

Posted by: RF9

It finally meets the minumum requirements (Tri band HSDPA, Quad GSM, WM5.) Unlike the 8125 (which I held off for because it's not 3G) this badass is relatively future proofed for a couple of years. I truly think it'll be the best phone/PDA of the year (over everything else.)
(There, that's my useless noise contribution to the thread)

I'm expecting we'll see this around the end of summer (September) at the latest from what I've been reading. A tad sooner if we're lucky. Anyone have an ETA that's more educated?
-EDIT-
So does it look as if this thing will support video calls? That's what the 2nd camera is for, right?

Posted by: Crossblade

Quote:

The HTC Hermes Pocket PC phone is also known as the TyTN; it just scored the FCC approval, which means it can now start shipping officially in the states. Earlier rumors tell it will come with Cingular...

http://phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Her...cle-a_1365.html

Posted by: importluva

Newest version

Posted by: blessd24

Basic Specification
Network technology
Network technology
Referes to the kind of network technology used. Three major technologies are used today - TDMA, CDMA and GSM.
GSM
Global System for Mobile communications. A world standard for digital cellular communications using narrowband TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access), which allows up to eight calls at a time on 800 MHz and 1800 MHz frequencies. Introduced in 1991. Is the standard most commonly used in Europe and Asia, but not in the United States. GSM phones use a Subscriber Identity Module (SIM) smart card that contains user account information. Any GSM phone becomes immediately programmed after plugging in the SIM card, thus allowing GSM phones to be easily rented or borrowed. SIM cards can be programmed to display custom menus for personalized services.GSM provides a short messaging service (SMS) that enables text messages up to 160 characters in length to be sent to and from a GSM phone.
GSM: 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
UMTS
Universal Mobile Telecommunications Service, also called WCDMA, is a 3G (Third Generation) packet-based transmission of text, digitized voice, video, and multimedia at data rates up to 2 Mbps. It is based on GSM standard and is supported by major standards bodies and manufacturers
UMTS: 850 / 1900 / 2100
Dimensions
Phone's dimensions
Dimensions 4.4" x 2.3" x 0.9" (112.5 x 58 x 22 mm)
Weight
Phone's weight
Weight 6.2 oz (176 g)
Display
Display
Phone's main display
Color
Type
Refers to the type of the color displays. There are five major types: LCD, TFT, TFD, STN and OLED
Type: TFT
Size
Refers to the width and the height of the display
Size: 240 x 320 pixels
Colors
Shows the number of colors that the display supports
Colors: 65536
Features
Refers to any special features of the particular phone's display
Features: Touch

Sweet so this thing is gonna have a color screen on it? Outstanding.

Posted by: HiKneeHole

i dont like the look of it, kind of bland/cheap looking. I wont make my judgement though until i get it in my hands.

Posted by: driven01

It really needs a front mounted keyboard. (Even if it means going to a square screen)

Posted by: killah21

Quote:

Originally Posted by importluva

Newest version

post this picture mod, not the crappy one you posted

Posted by: zreon

I hope the screen rotates with the keyboard unlike the picture below

I've only had my 8125 for a couple of months, but it looks like I might be upgrading soon

Posted by: KlamshellKing

honestly i dont even like the 8125 it crashes too much and has all these little problems and takes so long, i want to see how the reviews are for this before i jump on it too fast, i think i may switch to a regular phone now

Posted by: i0wnj00

HTC seriously needs to upgrade the hardware for the radio part of the TyTN/Hermes.
The RF on the 8125 as it is right now is annoying as hell.

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by i0wnj00

HTC seriously needs to upgrade the hardware for the radio part of the TyTN/Hermes.
The RF on the 8125 as it is right now is annoying as hell.

is it really bad for you? many people that i have talked to have had no problems.

Posted by: nskgti23

My 8125 has great reception...

Posted by: driven01

mine is kind of crap. I often only get one bar (sometimes no bars, just barely enough signal for a connection)

Posted by: i0wnj00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naveen

is it really bad for you? many people that i have talked to have had no problems.

Yes, the RF on this thing bounces like a yo-yo or it will drop the network completely and will have to rescan. I never had problems like this with the other phones I have used.

Posted by: zreon

I actually think the 8125 has a great radio. I'm usually the only one who ever has signal when I am out.

Posted by: LIQUIX

So it is available for pre-order at Expansis for $630 shipped to the states with a release date of July 17th. Has anyone ordered one yet?

Posted by: JT123

How do you calculate $630 USD?? My calculation from the Expansys site is £500.63 which converts to $921.75.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIQUIX

So it is available for pre-order at Expansis for $630 shipped to the states with a release date of July 17th. Has anyone ordered one yet?

Posted by: KlamshellKing

wow, thats a little expensive, but also you dont even know if its the US 3g networks which is the main feature on this phone.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

yea lol mine shows 560 which is 1008 dollars lol

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisher12991

wow, thats a little expensive, but also you dont even know if its the US 3g networks which is the main feature on this phone.

Well it's SUPPOSED to work on US networks. And it passed US FCC so it can be operated here. That implies it should work.
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=TYTN&tab=2
Communications:
- Dual-mode, HSDPA/UMTS (2100MHz for Europe and 850/1900MHz for USA)
- GSM/GPRS/EDGE quad band (850/900/1800/1900)

Posted by: Naveen

i think, especially for this device, we should wait for a branded or US specific device.

Posted by: plmills

Jeez - according to the description on the expansys site, they have switched to the *micro*sd memory card format. I already bought two minisd cards for my 8125, after having purchased numerous regular sd cards for my previous pocket pc's.

Wish they'd make up their minds. While I can use my minisd's with an adaptor in a regular sd slot, I am tired of having to buy new and ever-smaller memory cards for each new device.

By the time the successor to this device comes out, you'll need a microscope just to see the memory cards it will take.

Glad to see the faster processor, higher-res camera and HSDPA, but the screen is still just qVGA resolution, so not really future-proofed, imo.

I don't see the need to put *two* cameras into a device like this just to get video conferencing. Seems to me that with proper design, a single camera could do both jobs. Also, while 2 megapixels is better than 1.3, I am still waiting for someone to put a decent 3x optical zoom with a 4+ megapixel sensor in a converged device. It's not truly converged, unless it can replace my camera, my phone and my PDA.

And where's the built-in GPS option? And a true USB port instead of a sync/charge only one?

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by plmills

Jeez - according to the description on the expansys site, they have switched to the *micro*sd memory card format. I already bought two minisd cards for my 8125, after having purchased numerous regular sd cards for my previous pocket pc's.

Wish they'd make up their minds. While I can use my minisd's with an adaptor in a regular sd slot, I am tired of having to buy new and ever-smaller memory cards for each new device.

By the time the successor to this device comes out, you'll need a microscope just to see the memory cards it will take.

Glad to see the faster processor, higher-res camera and HSDPA, but the screen is still just qVGA resolution, so not really future-proofed, imo.

I don't see the need to put *two* cameras into a device like this just to get video conferencing. Seems to me that with proper design, a single camera could do both jobs. Also, while 2 megapixels is better than 1.3, I am still waiting for someone to put a decent 3x optical zoom with a 4+ megapixel sensor in a converged device. It's not truly converged, unless it can replace my camera, my phone and my PDA.

And where's the built-in GPS option? And a true USB port instead of a sync/charge only one?

Well I wouldn't call HTC the Cadillac of smartphones, so I am not surprised that they have yet to produce the $1K smartphone you are asking for. I know a lot of people would like to have all you are asking for, but I know far more would be happy to pay less and get less. I really just want fast web browsing and a nice browsing experience and I will be happy (along with access to work and home email). As far as the camera, a phone is not going to produce very good pictures any time in the near future, so it isn't a concern for me. You could have a 100mp camera phone today, but the pictures would still suck big time, they would just be huge. No amount of mega pixels is going to help those ultra crappy, super small lenses made of cheap plastic with finger prints, lint, face grease and ear wax all over them take good pictures. You might beat out a sub $100 no-name made in where? camera with a cameraphone some time in the next year or so, but I think that is about it.

Ok, sorry about the rant.

Posted by: Buck Wheat

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylorh

Well it's SUPPOSED to work on US networks. And it passed US FCC so it can be operated here. That implies it should work.

Just because the device is approved, doesn't necessarily mean the providers will support it. For example Cing flashes the handys with specific software so if you do have an unlocked handy, it may not work on another providers data network unless you are roaming on your Cing account. I've had that happen many times. Plus the real feature of the phone, 3.5 G HSDPA is only available on a pretty limited basis right now, less than 20 markets when I got my 8125 a few months back. I'm in Europe for a few months and have yet to see a Hermes as I've been making a point to check one out.

As for as the reception on the 8125, I've used mine all over the world and it's pretty good. Even in places like Africa, the Middle East and Russia and the former Soviet bloc. Sometimes it won't show that I have Edge or GPRS access but when I try to access data, it pops right up. The WiFi I'm not real happy with nor with Win Mobile 5, but I like the form factor of the device though wish it used a Symbian as the platform.

Posted by: DjPiLL

Does anyone know if this phone (TYTN) will work on T-Mobile's G3 service when they launch it? Thanks.

Posted by: Crossblade

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjPiLL

Does anyone know if this phone (TYTN) will work on T-Mobile's G3 service when they launch it? Thanks.

TyTN will work with ANY 3G UMTS network - it supports UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz

Posted by: MrDerby

Woohooo I just prepaid for this phone. Will come July 20th to my house. I can't wait !

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Wheat

I don't really see where you're going with this. This is a unlocked international device that you'd be bringing to Cingular's network. If Cingular's 3G supports is at all compatible with the UMTS/HSDPA standard for roaming, which it's supposed to be, then it should work if you put a Cingular SIM in it (and configure the data settings properly of course.) The number of markets 3G is available has nothing to do if weather it'll work with Cingular 3G or not.

Don't get me wrong, this is all good information to know. I just don't see why those are reasons why the TyTn wouldn't work here if it's designed to work on all HSDPA frequencies.

How is this any different than any quad band GSM phone today which you expect to work on any GSM carrier, with GPRS and EDGE if available? Only now were talking about tri-band WCDMA as well.

Posted by: Serifan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossblade

TyTN will work with ANY 3G UMTS network - it supports UMTS 850/1900/2100MHz

1. For UMTS, the TyTN supports only the American 850MHz/1900MHz bands and the European 2100MHz band.
2. T-Mobile USA has not launched UMTS yet and if or when they do we are not sure on which band. They will most likely launch it on the American 2100MHz, which the FCC plans to auction off sometime this year. I say this because T-Mobile USA probably does not have enough spectrum to launch 3G on the 1900MHz band and they certainly don't have any 850MHz licenses.
3. As to the upcoming AWS auction for the 2100MHz band, which the military currently uses, the American 2100MHz is not compatible with the European 2100MHz. In Europe, the downlink is 2100MHz; the uplink is 1900MHz. Here, the downlink is 2100MHz and the uplink is 1700MHz.
4. It is just incorrect to say it supports any 3G UMTS when T-Mobile USA hasn't launched one. If they launch it on the American 2100MHz, the TyTN (as it is currently configured) will not work for T-Mobile USA. Simply put, the American 2100MHz and the European 2100MHz are not compatible and the TyTN supports only the European 2100MHz. Surely, future devices could/might support the American 2100MHz, but I have never been good at predicting the future.

Posted by: MrDerby

I will be happy to report what ever I can when it comes. The man told me July 20th is when I should expect it.

By the way.. Good information about the American 2100 freq.. I'll call on Monday and speak the rep again.

Woundering if and when other phones are out CU500 will we still be able to make video calls ? Also.. maybe a stupid QQ but.. Besides this being a PDA device would a person need a data plan to make video calls ?? CU500 other future devices....

Below are some links if it helps anyone out..

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/rea...age=0&category=

THIS LINK Translates French to English
http://translate.google.com/transla...Flanguage_tools

http://phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-TyT...one-p_1636.html

Posted by: MrDerby

I did not see this page on the American website.. Sooo I guess no need to call the rep and ask about 2100 freq..

Oh well.. The US has not developed that any how.. So.. I guess in the future the devices will be able to do both 2100 for EU and USA..

HA.. again.. USA behind...

SPECS

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=TYTN&tab=2

• Platform: Microsoft® Windows Mobile® 5.0 with Messaging and Security Feature Pack
• Dimensions:
- 112.5 mm(L) x 58 mm(W) x 21.95 mm(T)
- 176 g with battery pack
• Processor: 400MHz Samsung stacked CPU
• Memory:
- ROM: 128MB (for programs and users’ storage)
- RAM: 64MB SDRAM
• Main LCD Module:
- 2.8" transflective TFT-LCD with backlight LEDs, touch-sensitive screen
- 240 x 320 portrait resolution with 64K Colours
• Communications:
- Dual-mode, HSDPA/UMTS (2100MHz for Europe and 850/1900MHz for USA)
- GSM/GPRS/EDGE quad band (850/900/1800/1900)
• Camera:
- 2 megapixel colour CMOS camera with macro function
- Second colour CMOS CIF camera for video telephony
• Audio:
- Built-in Microphone / Receiver
- Loud Speaker for Hands-Free Support
- AMR/AAC/WAV/WMA/MP3 codec
• Connectivity + Interface:
- Bluetooth®
- Wi-Fi
- Compliant with v2.0 without EDR
- IEEE 802.11b/g compliant
- Internal WLAN antenna
• Power + Battery:
- Removable and rechargeable Lithium-ion polymer
- Typical capacity: 1350 mAh
- Standby time: Up to 200 hours for GSM; 180 ~ 250 hours for UMTS
- Talk time (Screen off): 4 ~ 5 hours for GSM; 2 ~ 4 hours for UMTS
- Media playback: 8 hours (WMV); 12 hours (WMA)
- AC Adapter
- AC input: 100 ~ 240V AC, 50/60 Hz
- DC output: 5V and 1A
• Value Added Applications:
- MMS and Java applications
- Smart Dialing and Voice Speed Dial
- Comm Manager
- ClearVue PDF, ZIP, and more

Posted by: Sleuth255

1350mAh battery? Damn... with that processor this thing's gonna have the battery life of an XV6700

Posted by: MrDerby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleuth255

1350mAh battery? Damn... with that processor this thing's gonna have the battery life of an XV6700

Not so sure this is the case.. The CPU may be 400mhz.. BUT I have the Dell Axium that runs at 625mhz, I get 8 hours runs time with WIFI radio on.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

I have to agree with you, and I am one waiting for a decent camera on my device, but I also have to say that the lint-filled VGA camera on my Moto V600 was far better than the 1.3 cam on my 8125. I'm not sure if it is a flaw in WM5 or HTC just cant bring themselves to drop in a few higher quality parts but what I do know is since I have moved to the WM world (MPx220, 5600, 2125, 8125) the cameras have been awful. I know we are a few years out from true converged camera, phone, PDAs, but they should be better than this IMO.

Rant: END

Posted by: driven01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakaroe808

I have to agree with you. The VGA Camera in the Treo 650 is even light years ahead of the 1.3 MP in the 8125. Bummer. (And that's when it even takes a picture!)

I've heard that the camera in the Treo 700w is better but I've only dorked with it in the store. I have yet to send the photo to a PC to see how it looks. But then again: The 700w has low memory, a low-res screen and isn't available on Cingular. (Too many negatives.)

Posted by: Nastronomical

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/smar...look-186887.php

Posted by: Omega2008

Quote:

HTC seriously needs to upgrade the hardware for the radio part of the TyTN/Hermes.
The RF on the 8125 as it is right now is annoying as hell.

Try upgrading your ROM with the 2.25 Radio...I went from the Stock Cingular ROM radio version to 2.17 then just now to 2.25...much better reception. You can look for it on XDA developers.

I got to play with one of these, my best friend just got back from a trip to europe...he brought one back. I works on the Cingular network fine but the UMTS/HSPDA part has yet to be tested. He went back to NY so I won't get to see it again *sigh* it was a great upgrade to the 8125..however the ROM that was on it was a little buggy. I wish I had my camera when he showed it to me... but I didn't and heck I forgot my 8125 has a camera because I never use it :P.

Posted by: driven01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

Try upgrading your ROM with the 2.25 Radio...I went from the Stock Cingular ROM radio version to 2.17 then just now to 2.25...much better reception. You can look for it on XDA developers.

Mine is on 2.25 with little to no improvement. In fact 2.25 added a different bug ... I can't keep my data apps running (such as Agile Messenger) as data traffic causes my voice calls to drop.

Posted by: Omega2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by driven01

Mine is on 2.25 with little to no improvement. In fact 2.25 added a different bug ... I can't keep my data apps running (such as Agile Messenger) as data traffic causes my voice calls to drop.

I don't have that problem. Agile Runs fine in the background. Remember the 8125 can not send/recieve data and voice calls at the same time. Therefore if your on a call and it drops its not because of your data connection. The 8125 is a Class B GSM device. I know it may look like its data because your data icon on the today screen will show the two errows that its connecting but its really not...its actually standing by so when the voice call connects and can rapidly connect back to the network. Try browsing the interent while on the phone, you can't...thats because you can't send and recieve data while on a phone call. I am liking the 2.25 Radio..however if I don't like it I can just flash the Radio back to 2.17 if need be without doing a ROM update.

Posted by: driven01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

Actually this is a known bug documented over on XDA Forums. (I don't have the URL now and I'm running out the door unfortuntely.) I had your opinion about the data not being able to interupt the voice calls. I thought my phone was just dropping calls. I was about to do my *4th* warrantee swap when I found the thread that documented this issue.

Where can you get the 2.17 ROM? (XDA?) I might try to roll back and see if that helps. (Of course then I have to reinstall everything again ... <sigh> )

Thanks for the reply.

Posted by: Omega2008

I see, so its dropping voice calls because it trys to send and recieve data.....looks like data has the priority over voice, I am willing to bet there is a registry entry(s) that can solve that...but I haven't had this problem but yet again I haven't had the 2.25 ROM my phone that long, its only been a week.

Summiter has a new uploader and interface where you can just flash the radio and leave everything else, so just flash the Radio and keep the 2.25 ROM.

Posted by: driven01

You are saying to flash the radio back to 2.17 ?
(Sorry if I'm missing the obvious)

Posted by: Omega2008

Right, if thats what you want to do, you can go here and see what I am talking about. I don't think there is anything wrong with the 2.25 Radio, maybe you should reflashing it again with the 2.25 radio and if that doesn't work go to 2.17, just a thought.

Posted by: driven01

Hey ... worth a try. At this point I'm ready to go back to 1.8 or toss the phone into a lake.
(It's not good for business when you hang up on a customer because you were using Agile messenger when they called.)

Actually I've uninstalled Agile and turned off my push e-mail for the moment to resist the temptation of using them.

Again: Thanks for the help. I'll give it a try.

Posted by: Omega2008

Give it a try, I haven't had to reflash the radio yet. I am still not sure if you will loose all your data like you do with a ROM update. So back up your stuff just incase.

Posted by: Razor1973

Has anybody noticed that the Hermes in the picture of the first post in this thread says "VEDIO CAM" instead if "VIDEO CAM"? Is this a PhotCHOP?

Posted by: RF9

That picture is obviously a mock-up picture (like with illustrator or something.) Proabaly a graphic design for press, marketing, box art, or literature. I don't think it's necessarily a photo-shop done by someone on the 'net for posting purposes, but I think HTC probably released that as an early concept design of that the product would eventually resemble.
The pictures you see on box art, literature, and the web aren't necessarily photos of the product, but rather artist rendered in many cases (with the intention of being accurate.) The (Korean) artist in the case obviously misspelled video.

Posted by: aquila421

i'm sorry, and i didnt read this whole post, so excuse me if someone has made this statement.

i will stick to my dell axim with its 640x480 screen and my 2125 as a phone until a pda/phone will match the screen quality. mostly because carrying around a portable dvd player now-a-days is like someone using a zach morris cell phone.

sorry, i'm ranting like a kid...

Posted by: Leviticus

So I am switching jobs but want to get in on my companies nice phone plan before I go and need to switch soon. The hermes looks sweet, but any idea on when it will be out? If i get the 8125 now as a stopgap measure can I upgrade later or how does that work? and if so is it just buying the hermes with contract rate or the price difference between the 8125 and the hermes?

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leviticus

So I am switching jobs but want to get in on my companies nice phone plan before I go and need to switch soon. The hermes looks sweet, but any idea on when it will be out? If i get the 8125 now as a stopgap measure can I upgrade later or how does that work? and if so is it just buying the hermes with contract rate or the price difference between the 8125 and the hermes?

The short answer is not any time soon.
No one has confirmed the Hermes on Cingular yet, which means no one has seen it tested. And there are a few months of testing before a phone is released. So it's at the very best months away (unless someone can throw me newer intel.)
I'm still confident that we'll see it, but we haven't seen any of the telltale signs that you see a few months leading up to a release.
So either it's a well kept secret (which I doubt) or they just aren't quite there yet.
HTC just came out with the TyTn. My assumption is that following that release, they're customize one for Cingular which (who knows) could be ready very soon (for testing.)

My expectation is no earlier than November, and we've seen this kind of thing drag out. No later than March next year if there are delays, no earlier than November this year if it goes as planned. Again, just an educated guess.

If you get an 8125 today, you'll get a new customer discount with the contract.
If you want the Hermes in 6-9 months, you'll have to pay the 'retail price' for it which I can guesstimate as $450-$500. Typically you aren't able to get a new equipment upgrade for at least 18 months on Cingular (which amounts to about $150 discount) which would make it like $350 at the discounted price (maybe a mail in rebate on top of that.)
Cingular has since been modifying their equipment upgrade policy, so that 18 month rule isn't even a guarantee.

If you want to sign up for Cingular now you really don't have any choice that will get you a discount on the Hermes except for the following:

1) Sign up for a contract, but pay full price a phone today. Have the CS rep clearly indicate on your account that you did not take discounted equipment at sign up, so you're still eligible for it.
But that just means you pay full price for something today and get a discount later, it's just shifting the cost of $150. It doesn't really help you.
This only really helps if you buy the cheapest possible phone available today, or go out and get a GoPhone for the time being. But I don't know, would you be paying $150 for a cheap phone that you would have gotten free after discount? If you found something for under $150 it might actually work out in the end, but is it worth the hassle to save 50 bucks?

2) Sign up today and get the 8125. When Hermes comes out, convert to a family plan and add a 2nd line for $10/month to get the discount on the new phone. Just don't use the 2nd line or keep it for other reasons.
But then you'll pay $120-240 in monthlies before you can cancel a line without taking a penalty. So no cost savings there, unless you can use the 2nd line for a family member or something (then it's a win/win) But remember that a if they have an 8125 they'll want a data plan (for $20 on top of that.)
Also, converting plans, would you end up actually paying more in the end (over 1-2 years.)

Way too much detail. Just get the 8125 today when you sign up. Enjoy it. Then pay full price for the Hermes when it comes out. The Hermes is really only a benefit if you have HSDPA service in your market. If you don't have it yet, then don't even bother. Save the money.

Posted by: driven01

I wish they would come out with a Hermes feature set with a front mounted keyboard.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leviticus

My MPx220 was defective (no surprise there), I called to have it replaced and because the MPx and 5600 had been discontinued, they tried to give me a razr. I was outraged and emailed, letting them know I needed something comparable/smartphone I ended up with the 2125 a week after it was released. Not sure how that helps you but Cingular should see the two devices as a comparable trade if you really weren't happy with the 8125. You may have to email some higher ups to pull those strings though.. (Representative to the President)

Posted by: Leviticus

taylorh et al., thanks, I am hoping to get on a premiere account and I hear that they give you 2x free upgrades if you have a premier account, do you, or anyone else know if this is true? Also, honestly, how much better then then 6700 will the hermes be? I know it will be faster and I currently live on manhattan but if i move to brooklyn it looks like its not covered.

So basically does the hermes really seem (i know its impossible to say for certain) that much better then the 6700 excepting the HSDPA? feel free to be tehcnical as to why you think it will or will not be.

thanks again

Posted by: gambit800a

here is my question.

does anyone know if it will be possible to do video conferencing via msn messenger? seems to be a gimick that won't make the change worth it.

does everyone remember the freaking gazzilion posts for the 8125?

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by gambit800a

here is my question.

does anyone know if it will be possible to do video conferencing via msn messenger? seems to be a gimick that won't make the change worth it.

does everyone remember the freaking gazzilion posts for the 8125?

I do.. I would bet that half of my posts are attributed to the release of the 8125..

Posted by: driven01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakaroe808

I do.. I would bet that half of my posts are attributed to the release of the 8125..

Are you happy with your 8125? How do you like the 2125?

I'm waiting for my next 8125 swap-out. Hoping the 4th one is the charm.

Posted by: .7

I have just recieved some good news from one of my sources.

This phone is a go and is in testing.

Posted by: Clearest

Quote:

Originally Posted by .7

I have just recieved some good news from one of my sources.

This phone is a go and is in testing.

Sweet!

Have a guesstimate on the price (2 year contract) / release date?

Posted by: gambit800a

Quote:

Originally Posted by gambit800a

i can't believe i'm quoting myself, but does anyone know if the video conferencing will work with programs such as msn messenger? PLEASE?!?

thanks.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by gambit800a

i can't believe i'm quoting myself, but does anyone know if the video conferencing will work with programs such as msn messenger? PLEASE?!?

thanks.

I imagine that any program could make use of the VGA camera on these devices but it is all in the software.. I have not heard any info on this but it sounds like a great idea. Lets just see if microsoft feels it is worth their time..

Quote:

Are you happy with your 8125? How do you like the 2125?

I love my 8125.. There are a few things I could pick over but all in all it is the best phone/device I have ever owned. My 2125 is a close second.

Quote:

I have just recieved some good news from one of my sources.

This phone is a go and is in testing.

This is great news not that any of us were worried about it not coming to Cingular. It's getting closer..

Posted by: GBULM1234

The HTC Hermes is coming to cingular, I have seen the documents for this phone stating a release date closer to december, of course we all know things could change the Cingular 2125 replacement is the HTC 8500 or better known as Star Trek phone, is coming to cingular as well sometime in november from the documents I have seen. There were several other phones like the Palm Nitro and Lennon that are slated to be released, also, some samsung phone that I have never seen but that goes by the designation 417 not sure what type of phone it will be.

Posted by: GBULM1234

also the Motorola Krazr is being released as well for cingular.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

that phone is a joke...

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBULM1234

The HTC Hermes is coming to cingular, I have seen the documents for this phone stating a release date closer to december, of course we all know things could change the Cingular 2125 replacement is the HTC 8500 or better known as Star Trek phone, is coming to cingular as well sometime in november from the documents I have seen. There were several other phones like the Palm Nitro and Lennon that are slated to be released, also, some samsung phone that I have never seen but that goes by the designation 417 not sure what type of phone it will be.

417 sounds like a low end model samsung. that sucks about december. that means febuary. but if its already in testing, it shouldn't take 5 months.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

how much do you guys think it will be?? no more than 500 outright right??

Posted by: Nastronomical

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisher12991

anyone?????

I say about $400.00 with a $50.00 coupon. I think the sweet point is $350.00.

Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBULM1234

I question your source... Because your release dates are TOTALLY DIFFERENT than mine...

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

I question your source... Because your release dates are TOTALLY DIFFERENT than mine...

Care to share? Throw us a bone here.
At least 'sooner' or 'later' (than December?)

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

I question your source... Because your release dates are TOTALLY DIFFERENT than mine...

What are your release dates?

Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitechy

What are your release dates?

They are different than his...

Sorry, I value my job and being that he may (or may not) be a retail rep, but it is known that I'm not a retail rep, it is easier for them to know who I am. Plus I've been on this board for a number of years, giving them ample time to figure it out.

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

A little hint maybe won't hurt

Posted by: 100thMonkey

a better question than release dates is VIDEO CALLING!! early reports in the PPC forum indicate that voice calling is either not yet implemented or disabled...should be interesting with the forward facing camera...maybe Crapular is going to have a version without the video conferencing camera. wouldn't that be just crappy

Posted by: .7

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100thMonkey

a better question than release dates is VIDEO CALLING!!

The most overhyped feature of 3G IMO.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

its great for those of us that have lived in several parts of the country and don't get to visit everybody enough. I bet it'll be like SMS and trickle up to the general population.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

yea, i cant see video calling be used, or even working for that matter lets get video calling to work in homes first or on laptops, then try cellphones

Posted by: 100thMonkey

here's an example...a guy with 2 handsets in Germany...but it seems to work okay...no doubt it would do better if each handset had an user. IP based communications are a bit trickier which is why it is not perfect yet on PC's

Posted by: RF9

I don't know. I still think video calling would be a cool option.
The only way it'd ever catch on, though, is if every (or most) phones supported it going forward, and if Cingular didn't make it cost prohibitive. People just won't pay more for something they don't perceive as being something they need.
But the phones won't (only a few will) and of course they'll charge too much.
Therefore they'll blame it on lack of consumer interest and it'll fail.

You can buy video phones today at the store (for home.) Buy two and you can make video calls to each other. They've had various ones over the last 15 years. But who wants to pay for two of them?

Wireless is different. To be able to spin the camera around and show someone what you're seeing or experiencing would be sooooooo cool. I can see using that on a pretty regular basis. It's the "you gotta see this, wish you were here" factor.

I read that they weren't going to really bother with live video calling. That they were instead going to concentrate on being able to trade video clips (basically MMS messaging with video instead of photos.)
That totally blows. No one will use it. What a waste.

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBULM1234

The Star treck is NOT the 8500, sorry, you have been missinformed.

Posted by: puckchump

http://www.gsmarena.com/qtek_9600-1588.php

If I order this will it work with cingular right away...phone internet ect or will it be hard to set up

sorry if this is the wrong place to post but I figuered it was ok

Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:

Originally Posted by puckchump

http://www.gsmarena.com/qtek_9600-1588.php

If I order this will it work with cingular right away...phone internet ect or will it be hard to set up

sorry if this is the wrong place to post but I figuered it was ok

itll work fine, and itll be easy to setup

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by puckchump

Everything should work fine in the Cingular network.. You'll just need to add in some Cingular internet settings and you'll be good to go..

Edit: Sorry.. Qtek.. Well, the Qtek will have qwerty keys. this will be the first "final design" HERM100 without the QWERTZ keys.. Maybe we will start to see less of the HERM200 and more pictures and reviews of the 100..

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

I question your source... Because your release dates are TOTALLY DIFFERENT than mine...

nskgti, It's nice to see your around again.. I have not seen much of you since the release of the 8125, and it is good to hear that those dates are"TOTALLY" off.. I dont think we can expect look a few months forward into 07, so I'm guessing sooner.

Posted by: .7

I just recieved a PM from my source on this device and they had the following info.

The device WILL NOT have a 2nd camera for video calling.

The device WILL NOT include or be capable of Cingular's video calling service.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by .7

I just recieved a PM form my source on this device and they had the following info.

The device WILL NOT have a 2nd camera for video calling.

The device WILL NOT include or be capable of Cingular's video calling service.

WOW.... That is a downer.. What the hell is Cingular thinking? I dont think this is something I would have used that much anyway but what an opportunity for Cingular to show off their new HSDPA data network.. wow.. Well, there goes a lot if interest for a lot of people.. I'm still on board.

Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakaroe808

I've been laying low... Too much stuff going on. I spent a few weeks in Thailand and have been doing quite a bit of travel around the US also...

Once I hear some more firm dates, I'll let you know a better idea of when we should see it. Until then...

Happy Waiting...

Posted by: baller4ever85

Quote:

Originally Posted by .7

could u give us a rd. at least like what quarter its scheduled? i hope its q3 2006 but thats too good to be true. i might as well buy an unlocked htc tytyn.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

yea, all i want is a release date, if not my pockets are open for the unlocked tytn

Posted by: MrDerby

I already ordered my HTC TYTN..

Got the man down to $800.00 per unit.

Man from HTC said 2,000 to come into the USA Auguest 3rd and then after that they will send more into this country after the first 2 months.

Question... Lets say other person and I in HSDPA coverage area.. We go to use a phone / PDA that can video chat.. TYTN(htc) Is the video chat done within the Cingular servers somewhere OR is that phone independant ?

My thought might be wrong.. BUT The network only needs to provide the high speed enviorment right ? The network does not need to support video.

Posted by: LIQUIX

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDerby

I already ordered my HTC TYTN..

Got the man down to $800.00 per unit.

Where did you order the phone from?

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDerby

We go to use a phone / PDA that can video chat.. TYTN(htc) Is the video chat done within the Cingular servers somewhere OR is that phone independant ?

If you read over in the PPC forums, you will see that Cingular's network is not currently supporting video calling

Posted by: screwhead

I ordered mine from www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com. I read nothing but good things about them in other threads.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDerby

I already ordered my HTC TYTN..

WOW... Good news and thanks for letting everyone know.. The Tytn release looks to be moving a lot faster than what we all went through with the Wizard (8125). (Knocking on wood)...

I have to agree with the network question and the only thing we should need is the available data, but from the looks of it there has to be more going on under the surface.

Posted by: MrDerby

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIQUIX

Where did you order the phone from?

http://www.mobileplanet.com/

or you can order direct from http://www.htc.com

I have seen video chat occor in the D.C area. Only about 15 frames a second and in some cases not a full duplex video conversation.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDerby

Now why would the HTC Website not mention anything about the HERM100 and just the 200? They show the other Qtek variants but I thought Qtek was going to be releasing the "9600" (HERM100) I'm so confused.. I just want to buy the 100..

Posted by: .7

Quote:

Originally Posted by baller4ever85

could u give us a rd. at least like what quarter its scheduled? i hope its q3 2006 but thats too good to be true. i might as well buy an unlocked htc tytyn.

Ive been hearing late Q4 but that has not been confirmed by any of my sources. The folks that give me info are realistic about release dates and know they nor anyone else can ever nail it down to an exact date. In so many words, it'll be out when its ready. When I get a PM telling me that the device was approved for release you can bet it will be shortly after that.

Posted by: GBULM1234

IN response to the poster who was asking about my release dates, I saw the excel spreadsheet listing the phone and peliminary dates for release, as those dates are always subject to change I can only speculate that the memo was either out of date or had been recently modified. I saw this from an internal source in a training seminar.

For the other poster who said the HTC 8500 was not the startrek phone, plus click the link below and tell me if I am wrong, my understanding this is the phone that was listed as the startrek phone.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=899

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBULM1234

For the other poster who said the HTC 8500 was not the startrek phone, plus click the link below and tell me if I am wrong, my understanding this is the phone that was listed as the startrek phone.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=899

Yes, well regardless of what phonescoop called it that is not the Cingular name (number) for it.

Posted by: Ihavenosignal

Quote:

Originally Posted by .7

This is contrary to what Boy Genius said..

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDerby

What device was the video call on?

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihavenosignal

This is contrary to what Boy Genius said..

It looks like Boy Genious is not the Genious he claims to be then.

Posted by: MrDerby

When the devices come in for me (HTC TYtn) Then I will test it quickly.. I live in PA, But have a friend VERY close to NYC and I am only 6 hours away from D.C I will go both ways to test it.. One good part about where I ordered the phone is they give a 15 day return policy.. Soo

I may need SOME help from any of you guys on putting the "Cingular" settings DATA into the device.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

people have already confirmed video calling doesnt work. but there must be someway to get it to work, like that video of video calling

Posted by: Cg006

Anyone notice Cingular.com has the 8125 on sale again. You can get it for $249 with a 2 year contract. It was $349 Yesterday.... Could this be a hint they are trying to move old stock to make room for the new "wonder" ?

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cg006

Anyone notice Cingular.com has the 8125 on sale again. You can get it for $249 with a 2 year contract. It was $349 Yesterday.... Could this be a hint they are trying to move old stock to make room for the new "wonder" ?

You can bet on it.. Not sure what kind of stock they sill have but if we did, that might be a good indication of a timeline..

Posted by: KlamshellKing

they have approximately one trillion units, so cingular will probably get the hermes in say... 2008...

with cingulars longgg release dates, itll probably be no earlier than november, im thinking possibly january though. and if you buy outright itll be 500, why not pay a little more and get an unbranded one now?

Posted by: Cg006

I got a cousin working for Cingular and i can get a 30% off.

I have been debating if i should get the 8125.... but i dont want to buy it and then want to sell it like 3 months later

Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisher12991

they have approximately one trillion units

One Trillion 8125's?

You sure about that? That's a BIG number.

Posted by: Cg006

I will take one for $1

Man i hope they are released early 4th qtr. DOnt want to wait forever. The last one was release in november, hopefully the will follow the trend, plus they also need devices for the new HSDPA to show it off

Posted by: smokeyb111

Most definitely...........I'm not holding my breath though. I'd like to see a good HSDPA PDA. i'd jump on it quick. then I can relegate my 8125 to my travel phone, and pop my SIM from Bermuda in there, while I keep my Cingular SIM in the Hermes.

geez 2 PDA's on my belt. a new level of nerd-dom even for me.

Posted by: driven01

Only batman has more belt mounted devices.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokeyb111

geez 2 PDA's on my belt. a new level of nerd-dom even for me.

enlightenment

Posted by: KlamshellKing

im not understanding why people arent buying the tytn

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Im holding off for the HERM100 with English QWERTY keys and for the price to come down, but I have a feeling that it wont happen until Cingular has it.. In terms of the release date, I'm guessing sooner than later. Someone in one of these threads had said December, when nskgti stepped in and claimed that date was "TOTALLY" off (also said it could change). I'm going to say late Sep. or Oct... Just a total guess, but anyone who remembers nsk before the 2125 and 8125 releases knows he tends to have accurate info.. I'm starting to feel the anticipation all over again..

Edit: for the post below...

Posted by: harlemzthug143

People aren't buying the HTC TyTN because it cost $800!!!!!!!!!!! I am not cheap but I can do a lot with $800!!!! lol People will start buying the TyTN when prices go down. I believe that people right now are still satisfied with their Wizards.

Posted by: mmmattc

hrm...so what is the likelyhood that i could pick one of these suckers up in Europe? I'm leaving to England, France, and Italy this Saturday for 2 weeks and would definatly like to bring one of these back. Is the TyTN officially released in Europe yet?

Posted by: harlemzthug143

the TyTN has been released in Europe already.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

the price is already down to 770 USD from some of the HoFo retailers

Posted by: nskgti23

Well at least a few people realize that I don't just post

...

Now I just need to lay off the

a bit and I might actually get my hands on the StarTrek and TyTN early.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakaroe808

Just a total guess, but anyone who remembers nsk before the 2125 and 8125 releases knows he tends to have accurate info.. I'm starting to feel the anticipation all over again..

Posted by: Cg006

500+ is too much to pay for the average joe, considering you can get a Dell laptop for about 600-700. FOr me to fork so much DOugh, my life/job would REALLY have to depend on it to justify the cost. I just want a new phone that will allow me to do more. I guess i will have to take a backseat and wait

Posted by: KlamshellKing

actually yeah, i just realized that if i wait, i can get a nicee backup phone and still get the hermes for 500. so i think i may wait, what i may even do is buy a phone, and an mp3 player and get tytn for xmas. or just get any 3g phone and a laptop

Posted by: tremcotexas

I just want a little more information on the fact that Cingular would not offer Video calling. As a guy who travels all the time (all 4 cities I travel in Cingular supports 3G and should be improving) I would like to have this option. Just the fact I could talk to my wife and kids as I am in the hotel would be incredible. I could probably even get her off the Verizon network with something like this. Just a little dissapointed they may take that feature off.

If I purchased the TynTyn could I video call still using a Cingular SIM card??

Thanks!

Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremcotexas

If I purchased the TynTyn could I video call still using a Cingular SIM card??

Thanks!

There was discussion in another forum related to this.....I think it came down to the fact that Cingular wants to charge for it (no surprise there) and has disabled it for now until everytihng is good to go with the HSDPA network. I know one person had also said that the TyTN that Cingular will be releasing will NOT have the forward facing cam. I don't think there's confirmation either way, so the way it stands as of now...it's all in the air.

here's the thread

Posted by: Jakaroe808

If Cingular does include the forward VGA cam I'm sure it will not be long before someone writes an app. that can utilize it over the PDAconnection.. At least I hope so because I already spend enough money on my plan and I dont need video calling charges tacked on..

Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakaroe808

If Cingular does include the forward VGA cam I'm sure it will not be long before someone writes an app. that can utilize it over the PDAconnection.. At least I hope so because I already spend enough money on my plan and I dont need video calling charges tacked on..

I agree. Granted though it would depend on the price of video calling. (if it would be a base price, per minute etc....) and, it would depend on what would be better....If Cingular's is going to be better....( faster, clearer) then I may go that way. I'd foresee a Cingular video calling option working phone to phone only, Whereas a third party app would probably do phone to phone, and phone to computer (msn or yahoo etc...). But both phones would probably need the spftware to do a phone to phone call...(minor issue IMO)

These devices we're utilizing are amazingly powerful, and the people that write third party apps can really "unleash the beast" so to speak. I'm going to take the wait and see approach before I buy one.

Another good thing though is that 5.0 has been out for a little bit now, and there are a LOT of third party apps out. On that note this phone is being released overseas first. So it's on the market. I would'nt be surprised if an app is being written right now to video conference with computers etc.....

Wait and see............................

Posted by: MrDerby

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100thMonkey

the price is already down to 770 USD from some of the HoFo retailers

Please LIST 1 of the retailers that are $770 USD for this device.

Posted by: Isriam

ip based webcam programs should work. don't know why it wouldn't since its data only.

Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isriam

ip based webcam programs should work. don't know why it wouldn't since its data only.

The program would have to be compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0 though. I don't know of any ip based webcam programs..........Not that there aren't any. I just don't know.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Well there is ComVu and couldnt something like this be programed to include a chat client? I know it would involve a lot more than just that but if they could do it why couldn't Agile?

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremcotexas

I just want a little more information on the fact that Cingular would not offer Video calling. As a guy who travels all the time (all 4 cities I travel in Cingular supports 3G and should be improving) I would like to have this option. Just the fact I could talk to my wife and kids as I am in the hotel would be incredible. I could probably even get her off the Verizon network with something like this. Just a little dissapointed they may take that feature off.

If I purchased the TynTyn could I video call still using a Cingular SIM card??

Thanks!

I have no idea if you could use the feature on the Cingular network, but my guess would be no, as it is not just a simple phone call and it is not a computer to computer chat either I don't think. It's all just a guess on my part though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokeyb111

Having a network that is ready to do voice and high speed data is a lot easier than having one that is optimized to do a video call. Maybe I am wrong, but I think that the demands of a large number of subscribers using video calling would be hard on the network. My guess is that video calling will not be available until there has been more time to optimize the networks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokeyb111

I know one person had also said that the TyTN that Cingular will be releasing will NOT have the forward facing cam. I don't think there's confirmation either way, so the way it stands as of now...it's all in the air.

Well believe what you like, but .7 has already posted that it will not have the cam on the front.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDerby

Please LIST 1 of the retailers that are $770 USD for this device.

here's the one I would buy from https://ssl.perfora.net/www.smart-m...9032373f0c9cf6e

for 780 USD

and I read a cheaper price over the PPC forum

Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

I can transfer files through instant messenger now, using a third party app. Granted, video conferencing is different, but a device that's connected via 3G and have the capapbilities (program) to do it (video conferencing), should be able to do it. Even if it is only PDA to Computer through IM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

I guess I never thought about it like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

Well believe what you like, but .7 has already posted that it will not have the cam on the front..

I will. I'm not gonna say "yeah he said it so it must be right" I prefer to take a wait and see approach. Ever thought that one of the models won't have a cam? They sell two types of 8125's.....

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokeyb111

I will. I'm not gonna say "yeah he said it so it must be right" I prefer to take a wait and see approach. Ever thought that one of the models won't have a cam? They sell two types of 8125's.....

I would think the two versions you would see would be a camera model and a non-camera model. I don't think you will see a two camera model. With no video calling, there would be no reason to release one with two cameras.

Posted by: tremcotexas

I appreciate the response. Just to get everyone thinking, here is a HTC TYN TYN video from somewhere in Europe. Again, I am not sure if the network they are using is any different HSDPA or UMTS, faster etc than Cingular... However, if they can do it with two pre-release TynTyn's why can't we in a 3G market??

This whole conversation will go over my head quickly; however,...

I really just want to share the video.. I think this option would be great to have!

Go to the following link:

http://x.msmobiles.com/lh/images/ty...ideocalling.wmv

Posted by: I have a phone

video calling on a variety of mobiles is some time off, at least when it comes to the operator we're talking about

Posted by: nskgti23

Because Luhtz is in GERMANY (ie TMOBILE UMTS) not Cingular...

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremcotexas

I appreciate the response. Just to get everyone thinking, here is a HTC TYN TYN video from somewhere in Europe. Again, I am not sure if the network they are using is any different HSDPA or UMTS, faster etc than Cingular... However, if they can do it with two pre-release TynTyn's why can't we in a 3G market??

This whole conversation will go over my head quickly; however,...

I really just want to share the video.. I think this option would be great to have!

Go to the following link:

http://x.msmobiles.com/lh/images/ty...ideocalling.wmv

Posted by: hitechy

Video calling goes through the carrier's own servers, not the internet. That's how people are billed for it. There would be no way to tell if it wasn't going through the carrier's video calling servers.

Posted by: smokeyb111

just.to amplify contemplation on it all.....isn't Cingular doing the widest rollout of HSDPA in any market? if this is being done on plain UMTS in Germany (T-mobile right) what makes us think it can't be done here? excuses about the network not being optimized for video calling is just GAY!

Another reason why the U.S. will always be a step behind in cellphone technology.....nevermind the fact a U.S. company is rolling out HSDPA first.....our networks here in the States collectively suck....

just my rant........I'm done

Posted by: I have a phone

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Originally Posted by smokeyb111

just.to amplify contemplation on it all.....isn't Cingular doing the widest rollout of HSDPA in any market? if this is being done on plain UMTS in Germany (T-mobile right) what makes us think it can't be done here? excuses about the network not being optimized for video calling is just GAY!

Another reason why the U.S. will always be a step behind in cellphone technology.....nevermind the fact a U.S. company is rolling out HSDPA first.....our networks here in the States collectively suck....

just my rant........I'm done

can you run that by me again? This time, make a point.

Or, move to Germany so you can enjoy video calling.

Posted by: .7

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Originally Posted by smokeyb111

Im not trying to tag team you on this but its just not sucessful in most markets that have it. No one is gagging for it that have the ability to have it. Its just not as popular as everyone thinks it is overseas, and it wont be hugely popular here either until the feature becomes widely accepted and is intergrated end to end (cell to home, home to cell, tmobile to Cingular, ect.)

just some random articles:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5120101569.html
http://www.wireless.weblogsinc.com/...with-customers/
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...0829236_F.shtml

The fact that you dismiss Cingular HSDPA rollout as nothing is quite off IMO. Sure the USA is behind in overall GSM intergration, but who started when and whose had GSM for how long now, and we are the first ones to rollout HSDPA?

I think a device like the Hermes with HSDPA is going to be a treat, and its something seed wise that could not be fully realized in Europe currently.

Posted by: helpermonkey

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Originally Posted by smokeyb111

Wow, yah you are right, Cingular should never need to optimize the network... it really is GAY! Please, all everyone wants to talk about / whine about is video calling. Sure it would be interesting, but I think would be about as successful as PTT if CIngular was lucky. To all those complaining I am sure you would all be using video calling all the time though right? Yah, sorry if I don't think so. I myself am sure I would test it with the one other person that I know with a video call capable phone, but I am also sure that I would not be using it most of the time. Sure I was a little disappointed that the phone is not going to be coming out with video call capability, but that was not what excited me about this device to begin with. I am much more interested in the high speed data for web use and things more of that nature.

Posted by: MrDerby

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Originally Posted by smokeyb111

Hey You want to BASH the other people and call them GAY because you don't want a better network with more features.. Get off Cingular and go the heck to tmobile or sprint ha.. what a frigin loser.. I have many friends in the Asian markets and they say its a SMASH.. The kids can't stop using it along with SMS's thousands a month just by a single user.. GLOBE and SMART are BIG TIME supports of video chat.

Posted by: smokeyb111

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Originally Posted by I have a phone

can you run that by me again? This time, make a point.

Or, move to Germany so you can enjoy video calling.

I don't speak German..........And the World Cup is over.....

Posted by: smokeyb111

And what's the big deal with me wanting as much nice things here in the U.S. as everyone else?

(and I don't take none of your responses as ganging up on me or anything)

Now I did'nt know it wasn't wildly succesful in other parts of the globe...I always see phones that get released overseas for UMTS have a forward facing camera. So my assumption was that if the manufacturers are making these phones, then it most be the most common way for people to communicate.

Mr. Derby....
I'm not sure if your statement is in agreement or not. When I say GAY.....I don't mean it in a homosexual-bashing thing.....I mean it as to say it's gay that we can't have it, and the excuses/reasons I've heard why we won't get video calling is gay....

we on the same page?

Posted by: 100thMonkey

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Originally Posted by I have a phone

video calling on a variety of mobiles is some time off, at least when it comes to the operator we're talking about

thanks for weighing in IHAP, at least we now know that its in store for down the road. Any rumourmill grist that Cingy is gonna add Alternate Line Service?

Posted by: MrDerby

Mr. Derby....
I'm not sure if your statement is in agreement or not. When I say GAY.....I don't mean it in a homosexual-bashing thing.....I mean it as to say it's gay that we can't have it, and the excuses/reasons I've heard why we won't get video calling is gay....

Ok ok

.. I want to retract my statement.. Sorry. Don't leave Cingular.

Umm I am hearing something weird about the HTC TYtn device.. It supports has software on it that allows people to walk up to soda machines and sends a SMS to it so you don't have to use money.. Anyone else hear about this ?

we on the same page?[/QUOTE]

Posted by: MrDerby

I want to offer this too. This sounds crazy and maybe some won't understand my point..

A long long time ago... 8 years ago.. Sprint offered a PDA device that had a camera that faced the user. I used software from Microsoft "ART" that allowed people to connnect to the Netmeeting network and make calls to other users of the web.. I mean.. I was doing voice and video.. I am sure you can grab a 40.00 unlimited pda connect and do the same again Right ??

The HTC / TYTN does support 802.11 b/g with almost EVERY other signal in the word except the USA-2100mhz.. but still.... Can't be a bad thing..

Posted by: NYteach

video calling seems like a feature that could really take off. I know it may not be very popular in europe right now, but given enough time video calling may become a standard feature.

Posted by: popcorn-in-sac

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Originally Posted by MrDerby

Looks like it has something to do with the TyTN including the SIM Access Profile (SAP). It sounds interesting, and most likely be used in the context of Bluetooth car kits, but also what you mention is discussed in this IBM article.

Mark

Posted by: Isriam

dont forget, this "umts/hsdpa" rides on T1's from the cell site back to the switch. With an average of 1 to 2 T1's per cell site, cingular isn't going to allow video calling anytime in the near future. Back haul costs too much to let 1 person use all the bandwidth at the cell sites.

Posted by: speed4tu

Nice phone, I want one when it's released.

Posted by: timbal

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Originally Posted by Isriam

dont forget, this "umts/hsdpa" rides on T1's from the cell site back to the switch. With an average of 1 to 2 T1's per cell site, cingular isn't going to allow video calling anytime in the near future. Back haul costs too much to let 1 person use all the bandwidth at the cell sites.

Short-time lurker, first post.

That should be resolved if they just plunk down an OC3 on each site. But there's no way in heck that'll ever happen.

Posted by: tremcotexas

I am still very excited about the Hermes and cannot wait for Cingular to offer the phone. I'm a little dissapointed about the lack of Video Calling; however, I was unaware it took different technology to make it happen. Regardless, the thought of a super charged 8125 with 3G is extremely exciting!! BRING IT ON!!!

Also, I have not heard that HTC has a CDMA device like this so it may give Cingular a nice advantage over Verizon and Sprint who seem to beat them to the punch (ex. 6700) on devices. We shall see!

Posted by: RF9

Most Americans use their cell phone while driving. You can't make a video call, text message, or