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Cingular/HTC 8525 / HSDPA (APPROVED)

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Posted by: gravejoker

and the 2000th post in this thread .. MILESTONE


Posted by: Havoc21

Quote:
Originally Posted by gravejoker
and the 2000th post in this thread .. MILESTONE
and still no official release date


Posted by: gammite

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sorry about the multiple posts guys. 8125 kept sayin my connection dropped.

I'm posting from the 8525 now. its really nice. got a couple of pix. will put up when I get a chance.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by gammite
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sorry about the multiple posts guys. 8125 kept sayin my connection dropped.

I'm posting from the 8525 now. its really nice. got a couple of pix. will put up when I get a chance.


Will look for your pics .. Wish someone could take real good pics .. instead of the grainy ones with their mobiles ..


Posted by: mush10

Quote:
For all who care... Just received my LG CU500... Yes we have 3g in Philly...


What..........You didn't believe us.

Now we just need a phone like the 8525 that can take advantage of it.


Posted by: Havoc21

Quote:
Originally Posted by gammite
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I envy you


Posted by: cshehan

Quote:
Originally Posted by dsburto
Lets be real honest with ourselves too...Just like when the 8125 came out everyone was creaming all over for it to come out. Then when it finally hits the shelves...it's like someone shut the lights off, and the only things people would say about it was how crappy it was and they wished they had gotten this phone or that phone or waited for whatever phone that was releasing in a few weeks...NEVER HAPPY!!! That's the real issue here people, when are you going to be happy with what you have! NEVER! Why try! Get yourself an old V600 or something and just give up!


I think that the people who were happy with it (people like me) were too busy playing with their new toy to post! Only the pissed off people who discovered that it was not able to cook breakfast for them were posting at that point. I think the 8125 was the best convergence device on the market, and I'm pretty sure I'll feel the same way about the 8525 when I get it.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by cshehan
I think that the people who were happy with it (people like me) were too busy playing with their new toy to post! Only the pissed off people who discovered that it was not able to cook breakfast for them were posting at that point. I think the 8125 was the best convergence device on the market, and I'm pretty sure I'll feel the same way about the 8525 when I get it.


I was one of the ones on the 8125 thread. I got the 8125 as soon as it was released. Its been a good device I must say.

Lets just hope that the 8525 is not pushed out until 2007! I'd say the 8525 is more like an evolutionary step but not revolutionary. The OS is still the same as the 8125, but maybe include a new AKU with it.


Posted by: skidpalace

OK.
I know I've posted a few times regarding some fairly high confidence release date info.
Well, now I have to contradict my own message from a couple of hours ago.
I just left a personal meeting with one of my insiders. I want to tell you his title soooooo badly
Anyway, he emphatically stands by the release date of...drum roll please......
...
...
...
...
...
...
NOV 1st or even OCTOBER 31st.


Add that to the release date smorgasbord and take it with a grain of salt, but this is direct from the person's mouth who is responsible for such info.
But it looks to me that our excited friend gammite might just be right...
Hope this helps some of you.


Posted by: Themajesticking

Can't wait to get it.


Posted by: skidpalace

By the way, does anyone have a top level org chart of the Cingular corp from Ray Wilkins on down?


Posted by: skidpalace

Quote:
Originally Posted by skidpalace
By the way, does anyone have a top level org chart of the Cingular corp from Ray Wilkins on down?

And, no, my source is not Ray Wilkins.


Posted by: SoberGuy

Cingular's site lists some of the top folks, mostly presidents of divisions, though some VPs are listed too. You can find there list here: http://www.cingular.com/about/meet_us


Posted by: SrchingForSignl

Quote:
Originally Posted by skidpalace
...
...or even OCTOBER 31st.



Halloween is the new Christmas.


Posted by: benfica88

Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmike
People are just jumping on the stupid bandwagon now and saying "release feb." They want to somehow claim they were right all along if it does indeed get pushed back that long. No one from Cingular is claiming Feb, go figure....


I'd put money on it that it gets released in Feb before it does in Nov.


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by cshehan
I think that the people who were happy with it (people like me) were too busy playing with their new toy to post! Only the pissed off people who discovered that it was not able to cook breakfast for them were posting at that point. I think the 8125 was the best convergence device on the market, and I'm pretty sure I'll feel the same way about the 8525 when I get it.


8125 best on the market at the time? are you kidding no way. it didn't come out util february and meanwhile sprint had the superior htc apache with highspeed dat since sept. and vzw shortly after with their version in black which I am on now and notice not on the wap site which yo can mostly only do if you have highspeed otherwise good luck loading full hofo page on edge.

back then I was waiting for 8125 too but then I tried out ppc 6700 on sprint and later returned it and got the xv6700 on vzw because they had more evdo at the time and my fam was on vzw for free in calling.

also the qtek and imate versions that were importable long before the 8125 came out were better loking then the square ugly late and inferiorno high speed 8125.

this doesn't give much hoe for 8525 so I will prob just import it.


Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
this doesn't give much hoe for 8525


The 8125 and 8525 have a big difference between them. HSDPA. Hey I can understand how after using the spring and verizon variants of the wizard you would be majory turned off from the 8125, but from what I can gather, the 8525 will be a better device then the xv6700 and whatver the sprint version is called.

Just more evidence that with anythng, competitiors leapfrog each other with what they can offer.

So comparing the 8525 to the 8125 is kinda *** backwards. That's like comparing Dial up to a T1 connection. My opinion though............


Posted by: DemonPPC

Quote:
Originally Posted by skidpalace
NOV 1st or even OCTOBER 31st.

OK, I'll wait till October 31. But Nov 1 i'm ordering the HTC TyTitanium with NOS!


Posted by: pcmike

skidpalace, thats good news.. lets just hope the guy is right! Anything beyond Nov. 1st and I'm gonna get really upset with Cingular (probably more with Hofo and myself). When I say upset, I just mean.. figuratively. It's been a long wait and every night I contemplate just buying the Tytn on eBay, but I tell myself "just one more week" and press on. It's so damn hard! Two things (laptop and tytn) I've been wanting to buy, and every night I just keep pushing them back further and further.....


Posted by: MHC48

Looking ahead to whenever the mystical and long awaited event may be, what would those of you who have been through this before with a prior phone advise as to how to become the first on my block to get one of these?

Trusted local store? A regional large Cingular store? On line? Some other way?

I used to have a line in at my old local store where I bought many phones for myself and wife and three kids. Someone there used to either order or reserve a unit for me when I promised to buy it, but that store has closed.


Posted by: skidpalace

I wasn't a hofo member when the 8125 was released, but one this I do know. Every phone has a different story. Just because the 8125 dropped very late does not mean that the 8525 will follow suit.
Each device has it's own set of circumstances for its's timely or not so timely release. It could be techincal in nature, it could be market driven, it could be a supplier issue, it could be just about anything.
It seems the ONLY reason people thought the 8525 would be out by now is that rebate form.
I guess time will tell.
I'm one of the lucky ones that has no other option but patiently wait for the cingular device to drop. There's no way I am plunking down big cash for an import, when I will hopefully get one for free when they drop. I feel bad for those of you with cash burning a hole in your pockets.
I've got my fingers crossed for all of us.


Posted by: kenny6774

I will be on Cingular's conference call tommrow....hope to hear some announcment of phone launches or some release dates. But I doubt it...

Keeping fingers crossed


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by MHC48
Looking ahead to whenever the mystical and long awaited event may be, what would those of you who have been through this before with a prior phone advise as to how to become the first on my block to get one of these?

Trusted local store? A regional large Cingular store? On line? Some other way?

I used to have a line in at my old local store where I bought many phones for myself and wife and three kids. Someone there used to either order or reserve a unit for me when I promised to buy it, but that store has closed.

The 8125 was first avaliable on Cingular Premier site (business customers), right around 1st week of Feb. It was exclusive there for several days until the public Cingular website put the 8125 up for order. I think it was several days after they were avaliable in retail stores. Some stores had only limited stocks, and others had none for a few weeks. Who knows if this will be the same with the 8525, but I suspect it might be the same.


Posted by: txschafers

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo ready to get rid of my 8700 and move back to a WM5 device. Don't get me wrong the 8700 is a great device but I miss all of the extra functionality I have in WM5. I cannot believe how long Cingular is taking with this launch.


Posted by: kenny6774

I had about 95% certainty that it wouldn't launch prior to tommorow as it is too close to the CC and normally the BIG phones are launched a few weeks after the CC. Rocafellas date of Oct. 23 seemed a lil too close after the CC but who knows...hey Roc...got an update??


Posted by: Quatre

remember last year this time when many gave up waiting for 8125 and got a qtek or imate version. they were glad they did to when the 8125 didn't come out until feb and it was uglier & squarer making ppl kick themselves that they waited and didn't just import early on in the first place. same will prob happen on this one. feb and we already know camera is covered, just import & have the front cam even if just for looks.

noone else can get 8525 free and even those waiting to use an upgrade ( I have two) just useit on another phone that isn't importable in a fully functional form like the i607

any phone that I want that is available as a fully functional import and the ability to have it sooner and possibly uncrippled or better looking casing that is a no brainer. be glad this is one with a fully functional import that is possibly better and nicer looking

that's why I can't understand the whining. just import. don't depend and wait for cing. show them when they are late they lose sale. despite rumors of nov 1. I really think it will be feb before they release it giving the 8125 one full year.


Posted by: chelseablues

This is my first post, I have been lurking for a while. I am looking for a PDA phone with WiFi...period. I live in Augusta, Ga and do not think 3g will be here for some time-but I am always around a WiFi signal. I don't have a OS pref since this will be my first PPC/PDA/smart phone whatever.

Since 3g is a non-issue in my mind should I just quit waiting on the 8525 and treo 750 (I know it doesn't come with it, but I can get WiFi through a miniSD card), and just buy an e61, ipaq, or 8125 and be satisfied? Any thoughts are appreciated.


Posted by: DemonPPC

Quote:
Originally Posted by chelseablues
Since 3g is a non-issue in my mind should I just quit waiting on the 8525 and treo 750 (I know it doesn't come with it, but I can get WiFi through a miniSD card), and just buy an e61, ipaq, or 8125 and be satisfied? Any thoughts are appreciated.


8525 has a faster processor, scroll wheel, etc. . . . worth waiting 2-3 weeks IMO.


Posted by: pcmike

Also, the E61 is symbian and doesn't have NEARLY as many applications available as PPC.


Posted by: strikeIII

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
remember last year this time when many gave up waiting for 8125 and got a qtek or imate version. they were glad they did to when the 8125 didn't come out until feb and it was uglier & squarer making ppl kick themselves that they waited and didn't just import early on in the first place. same will prob happen on this one. feb and we already know camera is covered, just import & have the front cam even if just for looks.

noone else can get 8525 free and even those waiting to use an upgrade ( I have two) just useit on another phone that isn't importable in a fully functional form like the i607

any phone that I want that is available as a fully functional import and the ability to have it sooner and possibly uncrippled or better looking casing that is a no brainer. be glad this is one with a fully functional import that is possibly better and nicer looking

that's why I can't understand the whining. just import. don't depend and wait for cing. show them when they are late they lose sale. despite rumors of nov 1. I really think it will be feb before they release it giving the 8125 one full year.



well, the 8125 pictures were leaked way before it was released so people made a choice to wait or import...and the leaked pictures of the 8525 looks pretty nice compared to the Tytn IMO...so i'll definitely wait for the 8525 and i rather not pay an extra $300 bucks to have a front camera "just for looks".


Posted by: tank27

the 8525 is slated to be over $400 with contract


Posted by: christian15213

This is rediculous... on the other hand the only thing good about the phone not comming out is the 400+ bucks that is still in my pocket...


Posted by: christian15213

Quote:
Originally Posted by tank27
the 8525 is slated to be over $400 with contract


how do you know this and if you do know this than please tell me when dis sucka comin out?


Posted by: DemonPPC

Solid pricing estimates were posted a few pages back. Around $600 w/o contract and $400-450 with contract (also depending on plan).


Posted by: christian15213

this seems to be the best for pictures of the HTC TyTN / hermese / 8525.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5368.html

oh boy I cant wait.

and nobody knows the prices for this thing. I still think it will be like 250 to 300 with conny just my guess.


Posted by: maevro

A 2MP camera is still a crappy camera, not much better then a 1.3MP camera on the 8125. I wish they would start installing at least 3.2MP on the cameras and then I bet more people would not think so hard about dropping 500$+ on these phones, especialy someone like me who is in the market for a new digital camera.

When I went to the Yankees game a few weeks ago I brought my 8125 and my camera and I think the 8125 is thicker, sadly enough. The pictures were so crappy on the 8125 and it sucked carrying around both.


Posted by: cshehan

Quote:
Originally Posted by maevro
A 2MP camera is still a crappy camera, not much better then a 1.3MP camera on the 8125. I wish they would start installing at least 3.2MP on the cameras and then I bet more people would not think so hard about dropping 500$+ on these phones, especialy someone like me who is in the market for a new digital camera.

When I went to the Yankees game a few weeks ago I brought my 8125 and my camera and I think the 8125 is thicker, sadly enough. The pictures were so crappy on the 8125 and it sucked carrying around both.

I don't care if you cram a 6MP camera into a cell phone. Unless you want to pay $1000+ for a phone and have it be nearly the size of a VHS tape I don't expect that you will get the same picture quality you will from a $300+ digital camera that is by itself about the size of an 8125. To get a good quality lens and have the correct focal length and still fit all the electronics and batteries you're gonna need to power such a device it's going to be ungodly big and nobody execept an ultra-techno nerd would carry it around. So buy yourself a RAZR, slap your sim into it and bring a good digital camera with you. That way you're not lugging around two large devices, and you'll get good quality pictures.

Personally I have never seen one camera phone that took pictures good enough for me to not need a digital camera for an event. Camera phones are good for that quick picture when your digital camera isn't handy, but I certainly wouldn't expect one to replace stand alone digital cameras in the near future.


Posted by: untoldfate

Quote:
Originally Posted by maevro
A 2MP camera is still a crappy camera, not much better then a 1.3MP camera on the 8125. I wish they would start installing at least 3.2MP on the cameras and then I bet more people would not think so hard about dropping 500$+ on these phones, especialy someone like me who is in the market for a new digital camera.

When I went to the Yankees game a few weeks ago I brought my 8125 and my camera and I think the 8125 is thicker, sadly enough. The pictures were so crappy on the 8125 and it sucked carrying around both.


Quote:
Originally Posted by cshehan
I don't care if you cram a 6MP camera into a cell phone. Unless you want to pay $1000+ for a phone and have it be nearly the size of a VHS tape I don't expect that you will get the same picture quality you will from a $300+ digital camera that is by itself about the size of an 8125. To get a good quality lens and have the correct focal length and still fit all the electronics and batteries you're gonna need to power such a device it's going to be ungodly big and nobody execept an ultra-techno nerd would carry it around. So buy yourself a RAZR, slap your sim into it and bring a good digital camera with you. That way you're not lugging around two large devices, and you'll get good quality pictures.

Personally I have never seen one camera phone that took pictures good enough for me to not need a digital camera for an event. Camera phones are good for that quick picture when your digital camera isn't handy, but I certainly wouldn't expect one to replace stand alone digital cameras in the near future.


here is a new 10 MP, just came out

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...e-hits-for-950/


Posted by: cshehan

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate


I was pretty close on the price, and I'm guessing that if you want the slider keyboard and all the other goodies packed into the 8525 it would be more like $1200 and the form factor would be much larger.


Posted by: untoldfate

Quote:
Originally Posted by cshehan
I was pretty close on the price, and I'm guessing that if you want the slider keyboard and all the other goodies packed into the 8525 it would be more like $1200 and the form factor would be much larger.


Considering the fact that it is a 10 MP camera and it's about $600+ just for a camera with that many MP's, adding a phone and the other features would no doubt bump the price that high. So if a phone has a 3.2, 6, or even 10 MP camera @ that price,it really isn't out of the question.


Posted by: Havoc21

Quote:
Originally Posted by cshehan
I don't care if you cram a 6MP camera into a cell phone. Unless you want to pay $1000+ for a phone and have it be nearly the size of a VHS tape I don't expect that you will get the same picture quality you will from a $300+ digital camera that is by itself about the size of an 8125.

ahem... http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...70&postcount=44


Posted by: jetracer

Quote:
Originally Posted by gammite
Wirelessly posted (HTC-8500/1.2 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320))

sorry about the multiple posts guys. 8125 kept sayin my connection dropped.

I'm posting from the 8525 now. its really nice. got a couple of pix. will put up when I get a chance.


Any chance posting the photos?

thx


Posted by: gravejoker

Yeah ... what happpened to the photos dude !!


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by chelseablues
This is my first post, I have been lurking for a while. I am looking for a PDA phone with WiFi...period. I live in Augusta, Ga and do not think 3g will be here for some time-but I am always around a WiFi signal. I don't have a OS pref since this will be my first PPC/PDA/smart phone whatever.

Since 3g is a non-issue in my mind should I just quit waiting on the 8525 and treo 750 (I know it doesn't come with it, but I can get WiFi through a miniSD card), and just buy an e61, ipaq, or 8125 and be satisfied? Any thoughts are appreciated.


i would definately consider the htc excalibur which just came out. it is a thin wm smaetphone like the moto Q but better & has wifi. it is well reviewed but just doesnt have hsdpa 3g data speeds as it coming out for tmobile which uses wifi hotspots.

i have hsdpa in my area & wont get a smart or ppc phone without it. Also usually myself & some others prefer a wm for ppc phone for the touchscreen & fully functional wm with editing. call wm for smartphone, wm lite.

but since you dont seem to care whether you get a wm smrtphone, wm ppc or other os. i would say probably go for a wm smartphone. it will be better as a phone and less overwhelming, will warm you up to wm for ppc. though actually sometimes smartphone being more limited i feel like it was harder to navigate with no touchscreen & god to learn win mobile on a wm pc.

i just wouldnt recommend palm os becaue you cant multitask & im not to familiar with nokias symbian os that the e61 you mentioned but some ppl seem to love it.

still my main recomendation to you would be to get an htc s620/excalibur unlocked as it is a great form, good os, will e good a a phone, and has wifi.


Posted by: cshehan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Havoc21


That's great outdoor nicely lit, but what about indoors? That's where a camera phone bites it. Post some pictures taken indoors, and make me a believer, until then I stand by my statements.


Posted by: cshehan

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
Considering the fact that it is a 10 MP camera and it's about $600+ just for a camera with that many MP's, adding a phone and the other features would no doubt bump the price that high. So if a phone has a 3.2, 6, or even 10 MP camera @ that price,it really isn't out of the question.



Did you read the web page??

only the price is new: 900,000 won or about $950 US green. Hey, bragging rights don't come cheap.

Thats right off the page you linked to, so how do you figure $600????

Afterthought added after reading post again:

I guess I'm confused are you agreeing that such a device is going to cost updwards of $1k? If so I apologize.


Posted by: maevro

Wait, the N95 has a sweet Carl Zeiss lens with 5MP - & that aint too bad! I think that is a happy medium.


Posted by: gravejoker

IMO .. CZ lens doesnt matter that much .. atleast around the same MP range .. just marketing ... however a higher MP might be a different story altogether

Check out Michal Jerz's photo quality review comments at my-symbian.com between N93 (3MP CZ) and P990i (2MP I think) ... P990i takes much much better still pictures than the N93 ..


Posted by: pcmike

So does anyone have any news from the conference call that is almost over?


Posted by: pcman

NEW YORK, Oct 19 (Reuters) - Cingular Wireless, the biggest U.S. wireless provider, on Thursday said third-quarter profit nearly quadrupled and revenue rose 9 percent on stronger-than-expected subscriber growth.

Shares of the company's corporate parents, AT&T Inc. (T.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and BellSouth Corp. (BLS.N: Quote, Profile, Research), which plan to merge, rose 3 percent. Analysts expect Cingular's results to boost earnings at both companies by more than anticipated earlier.

Cingular, the first of the big U.S. wireless providers to report third-quarter results, said it added 1.4 million subscribers in the period, beating the average forecast of 1.26 million from nine analysts contacted by Reuters.

"It's a very solid quarter out of Cingular. It's hard to find a soft spot in the numbers," said Stifel Nicolaus analyst Chris King. Cingular's 35.6 percent operating profit margin beat his estimate of 33.5 percent.

Cingular said profit jumped to $847 million from $222 million a year earlier. Operating revenue rose to $9.55 billion from $8.7 billion.

King and Robert W. Baird analyst Will Power expect a boost to earnings at AT&T and BellSouth. Power said the increase should be bigger at BellSouth, which depends on Cingular for its profit more than AT&T does.

AT&T shares were up $1.01 to $33.95, and BellSouth shares were up $1.32 to $44.67, both on the New York Stock Exchange.

AT&T is trying to win final regulatory approval for its proposed acquisition of BellSouth, which would bring Cingular under one roof.

SUBSCRIBER GROWTH

Power said Cingular's strong customer growth likely signals a good quarter for its biggest rival, Verizon Wireless, and a weak quarter for Sprint Nextel Corp. (S.N: Quote, Profile, Research). He believes Sprint lost customers to Cingular and Verizon Wireless.

Verizon Wireless is a venture of Verizon Communications (VZ.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD.L: Quote, Profile, Research).

"I think it's a positive indicator for most of the industry, for Verizon and some of the smaller service providers," Power said, referring to companies such as Alltel Corp. (AT.N: Quote, Profile, Research).

"What's happening here is that Cingular and Verizon Wireless are taking share from Sprint and, to a lesser degree, T-Mobile," said Power. T-Mobile, the No. 4 U.S. wireless service, is owned by Deutsche Telekom AG (DTEGn.DE: Quote, Profile, Research).

Verizon shares were up 44 cents, or 1.2 percent, to $37.03, and Sprint stock was down 16 cents to $17.09.

Cingular said its customer cancellation rate, known as churn, was 1.8 percent in the third quarter, compared with 1.7 percent in the second quarter and 2.3 percent in the year-earlier third quarter.

Average monthly revenue per user was $49.76, up from $48.84 in the second quarter and $49.65 a year earlier.

It ended the quarter with 58.7 million subscribers.

Cingular said its normalized margin for operating income before depreciation and amortization was 35.6 percent, up 4 percentage points from a year earlier and up 3 percentage points from the second quarter.

But this is still well below recent margins at Verizon Wireless. Cingular has said it is aiming to be the industry leader in profit margins by the end of 2007.

http://news.google.com/news?sourcei...lar&sa=N&tab=wn


Posted by: gravejoker

old news mate .. already posted in the main Cingular forum ..


Posted by: kenny6774

No...just that Cingular is the greatest wireless company in the world. At least that's what they think...If your looking for 8525 news (and I'm sure you are)...there was none. The only indication of release of phones was something de la Vega said about having an "exciting line-up of slim phones to be released in time for the holidays".


Posted by: richy240

Quote:
Originally Posted by pcman
NEW YORK, Oct 19 (Reuters) - Cingular Wireless, the biggest U.S. wireless provider, on Thursday said third-quarter profit nearly quadrupled and revenue rose 9 percent on stronger-than-expected subscriber growth.

Shares of the company's corporate parents, AT&T Inc. (T.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and BellSouth Corp. (BLS.N: Quote, Profile, Research), which plan to merge, rose 3 percent. Analysts expect Cingular's results to boost earnings at both companies by more than anticipated earlier.

Cingular, the first of the big U.S. wireless providers to report third-quarter results, said it added 1.4 million subscribers in the period, beating the average forecast of 1.26 million from nine analysts contacted by Reuters.

"It's a very solid quarter out of Cingular. It's hard to find a soft spot in the numbers," said Stifel Nicolaus analyst Chris King. Cingular's 35.6 percent operating profit margin beat his estimate of 33.5 percent.

Cingular said profit jumped to $847 million from $222 million a year earlier. Operating revenue rose to $9.55 billion from $8.7 billion.

King and Robert W. Baird analyst Will Power expect a boost to earnings at AT&T and BellSouth. Power said the increase should be bigger at BellSouth, which depends on Cingular for its profit more than AT&T does.

AT&T shares were up $1.01 to $33.95, and BellSouth shares were up $1.32 to $44.67, both on the New York Stock Exchange.

AT&T is trying to win final regulatory approval for its proposed acquisition of BellSouth, which would bring Cingular under one roof.

SUBSCRIBER GROWTH

Power said Cingular's strong customer growth likely signals a good quarter for its biggest rival, Verizon Wireless, and a weak quarter for Sprint Nextel Corp. (S.N: Quote, Profile, Research). He believes Sprint lost customers to Cingular and Verizon Wireless.

Verizon Wireless is a venture of Verizon Communications (VZ.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD.L: Quote, Profile, Research).

"I think it's a positive indicator for most of the industry, for Verizon and some of the smaller service providers," Power said, referring to companies such as Alltel Corp. (AT.N: Quote, Profile, Research).

"What's happening here is that Cingular and Verizon Wireless are taking share from Sprint and, to a lesser degree, T-Mobile," said Power. T-Mobile, the No. 4 U.S. wireless service, is owned by Deutsche Telekom AG (DTEGn.DE: Quote, Profile, Research).

Verizon shares were up 44 cents, or 1.2 percent, to $37.03, and Sprint stock was down 16 cents to $17.09.

Cingular said its customer cancellation rate, known as churn, was 1.8 percent in the third quarter, compared with 1.7 percent in the second quarter and 2.3 percent in the year-earlier third quarter.

Average monthly revenue per user was $49.76, up from $48.84 in the second quarter and $49.65 a year earlier.

It ended the quarter with 58.7 million subscribers.

Cingular said its normalized margin for operating income before depreciation and amortization was 35.6 percent, up 4 percentage points from a year earlier and up 3 percentage points from the second quarter.

But this is still well below recent margins at Verizon Wireless. Cingular has said it is aiming to be the industry leader in profit margins by the end of 2007.

http://news.google.com/news?sourcei...lar&sa=N&tab=wn

What does that have to do with the HTC Hermes/8525/TyTN/etc.?

Anyone? Anyone?


Posted by: robothero

It was just showing people that there was nothing announced as part of their report in regards to the 8525.


Posted by: jimalaiyah

6 months ago Cingular made a bet... they wagered that new consumer want, which would evolve into need, of data would boost ARPU... data like sms, mobitv, e-mail and internet. This boost would reverse a downward trend that would otherwise spell disaster for many mobilecomm ventures. This is where we come in... had that ARPU number continued to be flat while voice ARPU declined as it will, or decreased... it is likely that the the 8525 would have been put on indefinite hold until consumer demand caught up with the technology... These numbers are directly relevant to the 8525 and the future of power user, data heavy handsets... and encourage a prompt release and heavily disincentivize further delay.... that's what this news has to do with the 8525.


Posted by: pcman

Yes nothing new in News
I did visit may local Corp Store and they said 3G is up and running in the S.Jersey area of Camden county and parts of Gloucester and Burlington County (this is about 12-20 miles South/East of Philly).
He also said 8525 about 3 weeks but I think he was just guessing ?


Posted by: SrchingForSignl

Quote:
Originally Posted by maevro
A 2MP camera is still a crappy camera, not much better then a 1.3MP camera on the 8125. I wish they would start installing at least 3.2MP on the cameras and then I bet more people would not think so hard about dropping 500$+ on these phones, especialy someone like me who is in the market for a new digital camera.

When I went to the Yankees game a few weeks ago I brought my 8125 and my camera and I think the 8125 is thicker, sadly enough. The pictures were so crappy on the 8125 and it sucked carrying around both.


The MP rating is not the limiting factor in cell phone cameras; it's the optics. You'll see some Samsung and Nokia phones with a large percentage of the phone's volume dedicated to camera lenses, and only those give reasonably high-quality picture quality. Unless you're willing to have all that glass added to your already-large QWERTY device, use the camera for what it is: a low-quality camera that you have with you all the time, that you don't have to remember to bring along.


Posted by: kenny6774

Back from the Wall st. Cingular...spoke with a lady there...and supposedly she handles data for the store....wasn't entirely convinced she even knew what the 8525 was....however she said that she had a data related call next Thurs. but that she would email her contact to find out something. As far as she knew the only devices that were coming in time for the holidays were 3G phones and 1 data device...the Blackberry Pearl...until next year at least. I hope she's wrong...she said she would contact me when she heard a response to her email with this guy. Where's Rocafella...I hope he is right about the 23rd.


Posted by: DemonPPC

All dressed up and nowhere to go.



Posted by: cruiserman

except that the 8525 uses a microSD flash card...


Posted by: RulinSmoove

*cough* feb.

if they released it before feb, that means that anyone who purchased an 8125 in feb could return their phone and get the upgrade to the 8525 for free. if they do release it before feb, i will be calling about the problems i have with my 8125 and tell them id like to do warranty exchange and get the 8525 instead. corp stores said it could be done.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by cruiserman
except that the 8525 uses a microSD flash card...


pfft, hahaha.


Posted by: cruiserman

whoops... just noticed that it's an miniSD adaptor. sorry. btw, 2GB sandisk transflash works well. got it for $70 on ebay.


Posted by: kenny6774

Hey you'll...for what it's worth the woman from earlier actually just called me back. She said November...so it looks like it won't be out before the end of the month.


Posted by: Krash7172

Just got back from the Cingular 3G luncheon in KC and got to test drive an 8525! They claim to be on track for a mid Nov release date. They also said PTT will be active. FWIW, HSDPA will be available to the public in KC on Nov 1. As usual, take all that with a grain of salt.

As far as the phone goes, I am quite impressed. No comparison to the 8125. It felt good to hold - very sturdy. Keyboard is solid. I had time to load a few web pages on HSDPA and it was fast. One phone was tethered to a laptop and hitting speeds of approx 950k. I made a couple of phone calls and it put my Torq to shame. Loud and clear on both ends. My wife even commented on how much better it was when I called her.

Was considering the Trinity.... I think I'll wait for the 8525. Very cool.


Posted by: DemonPPC

Quote:
Originally Posted by cruiserman
whoops... just noticed that it's an miniSD adaptor. sorry. btw, 2GB sandisk transflash works well. got it for $70 on ebay.


Yep, its a miniSD adapter. There's a 2 GB miniSD card inside it that you can just see the end of. I'm thinking we got it for only about $35-40 dollars tho. Have to check with my guy that ordered it for me.


Posted by: SrchingForSignl

Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonPPC
Yep, its a miniSD adapter. There's a 2 GB miniSD card inside it that you can just see the end of. I'm thinking we got it for only about $35-40 dollars tho. Have to check with my guy that ordered it for me.


Why and how would you put a miniSD card inside a miniSD adapter? How do you fit it into a microSD slot?

Inquiring minds want to know.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by SrchingForSignl
Why and how would you put a miniSD card inside a miniSD adapter? How do you fit it into a microSD slot?

Inquiring minds want to know.


oh man...


Posted by: SoberGuy

I feel the same way every time people post about hoping for the 23rd or the 30th....


Posted by: sfiorito

Well, count me in as another impatient reader....Went ahead and got a TyTn. Mini-review here: http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/1343


Posted by: RulinSmoove

8125 all over again. i wonder what's going to be next. the 9125.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
8125 all over again. i wonder what's going to be next. the 9125.

Come Oct of 2007, we'll all be back here again waiting for it..whatever it is.

The next gen of devices needs more RAM (64MB not enough), GPS, VGA screen, voice command built in the OS for all devices, and a fuel cell powered battery of course.


Posted by: DemonPPC

Quote:
Originally Posted by SrchingForSignl
Why and how would you put a miniSD card inside a miniSD adapter? How do you fit it into a microSD slot?

Inquiring minds want to know.


Why is so you can use a microSD card in a device that uses miniSD (like my camera).

How is simple - you slide the micro into the mini adapter (see photo). You can see the outside of the phone case here too. It's made out of aluminum.




Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krash7172
Just got back from the Cingular 3G luncheon in KC and got to test drive an 8525! They claim to be on track for a mid Nov release date. They also said PTT will be active. FWIW, HSDPA will be available to the public in KC on Nov 1. As usual, take all that with a grain of salt.

As far as the phone goes, I am quite impressed. No comparison to the 8125. It felt good to hold - very sturdy. Keyboard is solid. I had time to load a few web pages on HSDPA and it was fast. One phone was tethered to a laptop and hitting speeds of approx 950k. I made a couple of phone calls and it put my Torq to shame. Loud and clear on both ends. My wife even commented on how much better it was when I called her.

Was considering the Trinity.... I think I'll wait for the 8525. Very cool.



i keep on thinking i want a 750, but most of the people like you who have touched or played with the 8525 have been pretty positive about the device. i think this is why i remain frustrated, because the device is almost here and i dont want to make a mistake and buy something else and regret that purchase when the 8525 makes it out. i guess i need to be patient!


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
Come Oct of 2007, we'll all be back here again waiting for it..whatever it is.

The next gen of devices needs more RAM (64MB not enough), GPS, VGA screen, voice command built in the OS for all devices, and a fuel cell powered battery of course.


yezzzzzzzur.


Posted by: bobbypilsner

Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonPPC
Why is so you can use a microSD card in a device that uses miniSD (like my camera).

How is simple - you slide the micro into the mini adapter (see photo). You can see the outside of the phone case here too. It's made out of aluminum.


Micro is smaller than mini...here is a good link explaining it all from cnet:

http://www.cnet.com.au/digitalcamer...058862-4,00.htm

Micro=transflash


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by sfiorito
Well, count me in as another impatient reader....Went ahead and got a TyTn. Mini-review here: http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/1343


Awesome dude!!! Can you post a couple of pics? Where did you get it from?

Rest everyone else: Yo'all are going nuts .. with the 8525 not showing up ..


Posted by: DemonPPC

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbypilsner
Micro is smaller than mini...

Micro=transflash


I don't think I said anything contradictory . . . ?


Posted by: bobbypilsner

Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonPPC
I don't think I said anything contradictory . . . ?


No biggie...I was just confused by the term "mini adapter". I'm not arguing...just trying to clarify.

To me that's a mini adapter to take a MiniSD to standard SD. Perhaps I am just looking at your picture incorrectly or I'm just too tired today but that adapter, flash mem combo does not look like other micro to SD adpaters I've come across.

Here is a pic of the micro to standard SD combo type I am referring to:


If this is the same as what you have I apologize for suggesting otherwise.


Posted by: gravejoker

Check this out ... Awesome Dopod 838Pro review .. with tons of pics ..

http://geardiary.com/?p=7


Posted by: DemonPPC

No worries. It's all pretty new to me as well, so maybe I'm just using the wrong terminology. There are three sizes: standard, mini, and micro - correct? The adapter I have is the size of a standard SD (24mm wide) and the card I have is a mini (20mm wide).


Posted by: DemonPPC

So just to be clear - the 8125 uses mini SD cards. I know this for fact because we have two of them in my office. The 8525 uses the same also, right?


Posted by: bobbypilsner

Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonPPC
So just to be clear - the 8125 uses mini SD cards. I know this for fact because we have two of them in my office. The 8525 uses the same also, right?


No, unfortunately the 8525 looks to use microSD (along with the other Tytn variants).


Posted by: gravejoker

yp .. microSD


Posted by: SrchingForSignl

Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonPPC
So just to be clear - the 8125 uses mini SD cards. I know this for fact because we have two of them in my office. The 8525 uses the same also, right?


Wrong. It uses micro. That is why you've generated some confusion here.


Posted by: DemonPPC

............


Posted by: DemonPPC

D'oh, after looking at that 838Pro review I see that it does use micro . . . so I've bought the wrong card!

I know I read some reviews that said mini SD though because I just looked it up before posting before. ??


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
i keep on thinking i want a 750, but most of the people like you who have touched or played with the 8525 have been pretty positive about the device. i think this is why i remain frustrated, because the device is almost here and i dont want to make a mistake and buy something else and regret that purchase when the 8525 makes it out. i guess i need to be patient!
I'm right there with you Naveen. I've decided to get the Treo 750. Each day I spend with the 8125 results in two things.
1) I get more used to the slider keyboard slider phone.
2) I learn how much I'd prefer to not have a slider style phone.
When I pick up my Treo 650 all of the pleasures of holding it come back to me and it re-confirms my decission to get the 750.
The biggest issue is the exclusion of WiFi on the Treo 750. But the Spectec Mini SD WiFi (802.11b only) card has been confirmed to work in the 750v. Although not convenient and you can't use at the same time as a storage card. It'll satisfy my occsional need for WiFi.
Of course it'll be VERY DIFFICULT to not want to order an 8525 the day it comes out. It'll be tough to wait longer for the Treo.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonPPC
D'oh, after looking at that 838Pro review I see that it does use micro . . . so I've bought the wrong card!

I know I read some reviews that said mini SD though because I just looked it up before posting before. ??


Ooopsss ...!!! Time to goto ebay ..


Posted by: DemonPPC

Well I can always use it with my camera which currently has just a 512 MB card.

Off to ebay to find a micro SD!


Posted by: folsomparty

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
I'm right there with you Naveen. I've decided to get the Treo 750. Each day I spend with the 8125 results in two things.
1) I get more used to the slider keyboard slider phone.
2) I learn how much I'd prefer to not have a slider style phone.


Yeah, I'm on the fence too. I'm not giving up on the 8525, but the slider keyboard just bugs me. I didn't even realize that you could get a wifi card for the Treo 750. Do those work well? Palm really screwed up not integrating wifi. I like the Excalibur, but not sold on WM Smartphone. My perfect phone would be a pocket pc with a big screen and a removeable "slvr" type of phone that I could detach and put in my pocket.


Posted by: maevro

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
But the Spectec Mini SD WiFi (802.11b only) card has been confirmed to work in the 750v.


Can someone please explain this to me. The phone is minus WiFi, but the SD card has WiFi enabled?? I am a little perplexed...

Anyway, the thing that was bothered me with the treo in the past was the stub antenna and it is great to see they did away with it.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by maevro
Can someone please explain this to me. The phone is minus WiFi, but the SD card has WiFi enabled?? I am a little perplexed...

Anyway, the thing that was bothered me with the treo in the past was the stub antenna and it is great to see they did away with it.


Basically, it's a SD wifi card .. which's supposed to enable wifi in phones/PDAs that dont have wifi ..


Posted by: pcmike

Way to cheat the system.. you're the man

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
*cough* feb.

if they released it before feb, that means that anyone who purchased an 8125 in feb could return their phone and get the upgrade to the 8525 for free. if they do release it before feb, i will be calling about the problems i have with my 8125 and tell them id like to do warranty exchange and get the 8525 instead. corp stores said it could be done.



Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by maevro
Can someone please explain this to me. The phone is minus WiFi, but the SD card has WiFi enabled?? I am a little perplexed...

Anyway, the thing that was bothered me with the treo in the past was the stub antenna and it is great to see they did away with it.
The phone has an MiniSD card slot, intended for putting expanded memory in (in the form of a Mini SD Card..512MB to 2GB, etc.)
Some companies make what's called a "Mini SDIO" card which can go in to that slot and offer "IO" (input output) capabilities. One of such is a WiFi Card.

Here's the thread on Treo Central that talks about it. There are photos of the card as well as it in a Treo 750V for anyone curious.
http://discussion.treocentral.com/s...ad.php?t=125746

Here's the URL for the Spectec Mini SD WiFi Card:
http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_...dptype=w1sdw822

This is NOT, and I reapeat NOT a good solution for anyone that wants always-available WiFI! For the following reasons reasons:
1) There's only 1 MiniSD slot in the Treo. If the WiFi card is in there, you can't have memory in there at the same time.
2) The card is longer than a memory card, so it stick up or out. It'll definately get in the way of cases or even snag on it if you put it in your pocket.
3) The Treo's slot is on the SIDE of the unit, not on the top. Because it sticks out it'll get in the way of holding it in your right hand.
Finally, it's only 802.11b. The TyTn/8525 comes with 802.11b/g

It IS however a good hack for someone that wants occasional WiFi and is willing to deal with this inconvenience. Being that WiFi is available in limited places for me, and I have limited use for it, I can deal with swaping the memory for the wifi card for the use, then put it away when done.

The only reason I mention it is because for me, no WiFi=No Sale in my next device Upgrade (therefore the 8525/TyTn is about the only thing I'll be happy with.) But besides lack of WiFi, I prefer the Treo. The availability of the Mini SD WiFI card is going to be a compromise I'm willing to live with.


Posted by: txschafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
The phone has an MiniSD card slot, intended for putting expanded memory in (in the form of a Mini SD Card..512MB to 2GB, etc.)
Some companies make what's called a "Mini SDIO" card which can go in to that slot and offer "IO" (input output) capabilities. One of such is a WiFi Card.

Here's the thread on Treo Central that talks about it. There are photos of the card as well as it in a Treo 750V for anyone curious.
http://discussion.treocentral.com/s...ad.php?t=125746

Here's the URL for the Spectec Mini SD WiFi Card:
http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_...dptype=w1sdw822

This is NOT, and I reapeat NOT a good solution for anyone that wants always-available WiFI! For the following reasons reasons:
1) There's only 1 MiniSD slot in the Treo. If the WiFi card is in there, you can't have memory in there at the same time.
2) The card is longer than a memory card, so it stick up or out. It'll definately get in the way of cases or even snag on it if you put it in your pocket.
3) The Treo's slot is on the SIDE of the unit, not on the top. Because it sticks out it'll get in the way of holding it in your right hand.
Finally, it's only 802.11b. The TyTn/8525 comes with 802.11b/g

It IS however a good hack for someone that wants occasional WiFi and is willing to deal with this inconvenience. Being that WiFi is available in limited places for me, and I have limited use for it, I can deal with swaping the memory for the wifi card for the use, then put it away when done.

The only reason I mention it is because for me, no WiFi=No Sale in my next device Upgrade (therefore the 8525/TyTn is about the only thing I'll be happy with.) But besides lack of WiFi, I prefer the Treo. The availability of the Mini SD WiFI card is going to be a compromise I'm willing to live with.



I just wish they would launch the freakin thing! I mean all of those folks buying the unlocked 750's on eBay and through the Miami shop are all using the Cingular network. So what the heck is the issue??!! LAUNCH IT!!!


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
I'm right there with you Naveen. I've decided to get the Treo 750. Each day I spend with the 8125 results in two things.
1) I get more used to the slider keyboard slider phone.
2) I learn how much I'd prefer to not have a slider style phone.
When I pick up my Treo 650 all of the pleasures of holding it come back to me and it re-confirms my decission to get the 750.
The biggest issue is the exclusion of WiFi on the Treo 750. But the Spectec Mini SD WiFi (802.11b only) card has been confirmed to work in the 750v. Although not convenient and you can't use at the same time as a storage card. It'll satisfy my occsional need for WiFi.
Of course it'll be VERY DIFFICULT to not want to order an 8525 the day it comes out. It'll be tough to wait longer for the Treo.


i love that large keyboard. the keys on my 650 just got too small over time. at time i could care less about the wifi, i am just in awe that palm did not include this feature for the 750 since it was designed for the european market. the 8525 stands out for a couple of reasons still to me over the 750-
larger screen and PTT
lets see what the future holds for us


Posted by: untoldfate

Enough with the micro, mini, whatever SD bull sh*t, one question has 40 answers unrelated to the damn 8525 not coming out!!! (IMO)


Posted by: jetfxr

Yeah I check this thread daily to see " its here" , but all I see is people arguing over Blah blah blah.......


Posted by: skidpalace

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
Enough with the micro, mini, whatever SD bull sh*t, one question has 40 answers unrelated to the damn 8525 not coming out!!! (IMO)


Uh, this thread is not about "the damn 8525 not coming out". It is a discussion about the 8525 device. As ridiculous as some of these posts are, most are relevant to this thread. For instance, now DemonPPC will not be banging his head against the wall when he tries to stick his MiniSD card into his new 8525 when he eventually gets it.
Also, I think we've determined that getting a palm750 with a wifi minisd is not a viable solution, leaving the 8525 as the only choice for power users.
IMHO having wifi is a nice to have, allowing you to have a fast reliable connection at your home or work space (or starbucks) unaffected by the newer 3G network's growing pains. However, if you are in anyway serious about your having your data/connectivity anywhere, all the time, then your only option is a fast nationwide network and an unlimited data plan.
Having both is the best of both worlds. Hello 8525.


Posted by: DemonPPC

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
Enough with the micro, mini, whatever SD bull sh*t, one question has 40 answers unrelated to the damn 8525 not coming out!!! (IMO)


It's not coming out today. Check back in February!


Posted by: robothero

Reply hazy: Please try again in Q1 2007.


Posted by: txschafers

I have our corporate Cingular guy looking into this since he told me it was suppose to launch this week.


Posted by: skidpalace

Oh, one more tidbit I gleaned from my last meeting with my insider re: video calling.
A previous poster reported that video calling would not happen on cingular until HSUPA (uplink vs. downlink) is implemented. This is correct and I was told that HSUPA and video calling would be unlikely to launch in 2007.
So if you are looking to buy a Tytn or variant just because it has a front camera, it is doubtful that you will benefit from it at all as newer devices will be out by the time Cingular's network capability is realized.


Posted by: SoberGuy

Skid, but you're forgetting how impressive it will be to show off a device with two cameras! And then when everyone asks why two, we can tell them that only one works! Isn't that just the coolest?

I personally think it's best to wait for the 8525. Full Cingular support, cheaper price, easier to warranty out, etc. Besides, the ROMs can always be flashed over. I don't think any particular device is that much more attractive, as far as how it looks, to make it matter. Besides, I'd hate to have to stare at a camera that just plain doesn't work. That, to me, is utterly pointless.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

there are many programs, mainly iptelophony programs there are that support video calling.

just because cingular doesnt support it doesnt mean that there isnt anything out that can't utilize the secondary camera. come on people.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by skidpalace
Uh, this thread is not about "the damn 8525 not coming out". It is a discussion about the 8525 device. As ridiculous as some of these posts are, most are relevant to this thread. For instance, now DemonPPC will not be banging his head against the wall when he tries to stick his MiniSD card into his new 8525 when he eventually gets it.
Also, I think we've determined that getting a palm750 with a wifi minisd is not a viable solution, leaving the 8525 as the only choice for power users.
IMHO having wifi is a nice to have, allowing you to have a fast reliable connection at your home or work space (or starbucks) unaffected by the newer 3G network's growing pains. However, if you are in anyway serious about your having your data/connectivity anywhere, all the time, then your only option is a fast nationwide network and an unlimited data plan.
Having both is the best of both worlds. Hello 8525.



Skidmark,

You are correct. This is a discussion about the 8525 device... and don't you think one of the most important questions on everybodies mind is... WHEN IS THE DEVICE GOING TO BE RELEASED? I mean after all we are here discussing the 8525 aren't we? Nice job of contradicting yourself.


Posted by: SoberGuy

Programs can support anything. The question is, does the device and the network? If uplink speeds are too slow, why bother? I'd rather have a regular conversation than a choppy video call. How many other folks would be able to do video calling? Sure, you can say it would work for business conferences, etc., but again, not with choppy pictures and sound due to slow network uplink needs. I just don't see it being very practical right now. Possible, sure. But just because it's possible doesn't make it effective, worthwhile, or a quality service.

Now if someone can explain why it would be beneficial, why it would work effectively and smoothly, I'd be more than willing to listen.

Just to tack on to some other comments....

If this thread includes some off topic comments, like about other phones, memory card types and how they work, etc., I don't mind too much. I'm fairly new to PDA devices, the 8125 being my first, and I am interested in how it compares to other devices. I haven't had an HP or a Nokia before, so I don't mind the comparison talk. And I like having the information in one thread, rather than people starting a new thread to discuss a device that already has a fairly comprehensive and informative thread going.

Besides, a little conversation, even OT, is nice, as opposed to the usual people asking when the device will be out, or saying it will be out today or tomorrow, or whenever, when it's already confirmed that it won't drop until sometime in November, probably 2nd or 3rd week. So what if we get a little OT at times. Some of it is informative, some just humorous.


Posted by: robothero

I agree SG. I love having all the information in one, albeit long, thread.


Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
there are many programs, mainly iptelophony programs there are that support video calling.

just because cingular doesnt support it doesnt mean that there isnt anything out that can't utilize the secondary camera. come on people.


Can you point me in the direction of some....cause I've been looking. I've been wanting to take a glance at what a program like that looks like.


Posted by: christian15213

Ok, I have performed my daily harrasing of cingular.com forum tech support reps and this is what I have found...

here is what they are saying

IrvynM: To christian15213
They been saying soon since Summer time. Last I heard was that it should be out before Christmas. Don't take it at face value. They let us know the release date of the phone a day or 2 before it comes out.

and

IrvynM: To christian15213
You will need to ask the manufacturer that question.

and

rvynM: To christian15213
HTC number is 877-878-6944. If you find out, come back and let me know.

and

IrvynM: To christian15213
I do not know, why its taking so long. That information is not avialble for us to see.

and

I said this>>>christian15213
have you been trained on the product

response>>>IrvynM: To christian15213
We will have all necessary information and fully able to assist on the day the device is released.

and

christian15213
do you like it

IrvynM: To christian15213
I would like one for myself.

christian15213
are you familiar with howard forums.com?

IrvynM: To christian15213
Yes, I have heard it. A forum where people talk about cell phone services.

christian15213
haven't you asked your boss... because you want one... for example... saying "hey when is this thing gonna be out"???

IrvynM: To christian15213
It does not matter how many times or how many ways you ask? I still would not know when it will be available. You will have to do wait like all of us. Yes, I have and get the same answer.

christian15213
lol, fine... ok do you have a user name at howardforums.com?

christian15213
you should really come to the site and check it out... there is a 2000+ posted forum that is dedicated to secure and safe release of this phone... that you are all holding hostage...

rvynM: To christian15213
No I do not have a account there.

christian15213
you should really come to the site and check it out... there is a 2000+ posted forum that is dedicated to secure and safe release of this phone... that you are all holding hostage...

IrvynM: To christian15213
I will check it out. Is there anything else I can help you with?


christian15213
yes, I have one more thing

christian15213
what can you say to the encouragement and knowledge preceding the release of this highyl anticipated phone...


IrvynM: To christian15213
I would say that there is more to life than this device. Stop worrying about when this phone will be released and go do something else in the mean time.

IrvynM: To christian15213
Thats what i would say to those you are encouraged on getting this device. I'm still waiting for that PS3.

christian15213
how rude.... that is not nice... my phone is broke and the warranty got all messed up so now I am waiting for an upgrade and I almost bought the 8125 before I learned of this phone.... do yOU KNOW MY PAIN????

IrvynM: To christian15213
Are you serious?

christian15213
seriously... I got screwed with the v-600 I had bought two of them

christian15213
like two years ago and I exchanged the one but by the time the other one got bad and is not broke my warranty was over... and the v551 they replaced my phone with broke too and again my warranty was over from the original contract of the v600... Screw job...

christian15213
now I am paying for two phones, one of which is completley broke and the other that is crippled... dropped calls galor... I feel I am on metro PCS... NOT FAIR...

christian15213
so for me the release of this phone is important... OK LAST Question perhaps you could answer me this... when is the 3g network coming to South Florida?

IrvynM: To christian15213
Yes, I'm checking that date for you.

IrvynM: To christian15213
Its not out in FLorida yet. There is not a date either. But I do have the website where you will get that information. http://www.cingular.com/3g

thanks bye


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
Enough with the micro, mini, whatever SD bull sh*t, one question has 40 answers unrelated to the damn 8525 not coming out!!! (IMO)
So this thread is supposed to be about release dates and nothing else?
Someone point me to the thread where we get to talk about the capabilities of the device and lackthereof.


Posted by: Themajesticking

hIlarious..


Posted by: pcmike

christian15213,

3G is already out in South Florida.


Posted by: hitechy

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
there are many programs, mainly iptelophony programs there are that support video calling.


Such as????


Posted by: christian15213

Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmike
christian15213,

3G is already out in South Florida.



no it is not show me?


Posted by: gravejoker

yeah .. what all programs that you know of support video calling on the mobiles?


Posted by: Havoc21

Quote:
Originally Posted by christian15213
no it is not show me?

it is not out officially (therefore there are no coverage maps out)... but it is there, trust me.


Posted by: christian15213

Quote:
Originally Posted by Havoc21
it is not out officially (therefore there are no coverage maps out)... but it is there, trust me.


do you think it covers fort lauderdale???

If so I have some questions...


Posted by: untoldfate

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
So this thread is supposed to be about release dates and nothing else?
Someone point me to the thread where we get to talk about the capabilities of the device and lackthereof.


OK, all of you sarcastic (MOD EDIT: bypassing the swear filter is a bad idea), all I am saying is that it dosn't take 25 people with the same post to inform me about something that is indirectly connected about the 8525, ya were all here to learn about/discuss the specs/features of the 8525 but if I miss a day of reading this thread(god forbid) it takes hours to catch up because of the post/repost/repost/etc. on the same topic saying the same things in different words


Posted by: SoberGuy

Hate to be rude. I really do.
Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
OK, all of you sarcastic a**hole's

By-passing the swear filter with creative spelling? How ingenious of you! If only someone had thought of that before. You, my friend, deserve an award.

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
all I am saying is that it dosn't take 25 people with the same post to inform me about something that is indirectly connected about the 8525

With the variety of experience levels and knowledge levels here on HoFo, some replies are extremely technological, and others are quite simplified. It's rather nice, IMHO, to see a variety of responses. Some grasp only the basics, some like to discuss the specifics. It's not just about if something is or is not possible, but about why or why not. Or perhaps a thorough explanation of why something works the way it does. So to me, most responses are pretty valid.

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
ya were all here to learn about/discuss the specs/features of the 8525

Yes, we are. I'm glad you see the point to the thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
but if I miss a day of reading this thread(god forbid) it takes hours to catch up because of the post/repost/repost/etc. on the same topic saying the same things in different words

Oh boy, you have to "waste" time? So sorry, I forgot how incredibly valuable your time is, and I do so sincerely apologize that you must bother with the drivel posted here.

Then again, you do have the choice of being active here. You can always take all that money you have to be making with your incredibly valuable time, and purchase your own domain, server, bandwidth, and software, and just host and moderate your own forum. Til then, just let the mods here do their jobs, and they can let us know when we're getting too far off topic.

Again, some, perhaps most, of these off topic posts have been informative to some degree, to at least someone. Then again, that is the purpose of these boards, sharing related information, and as stated in my post above, that is the point of this thread. Your participation, or lack of, is simply your choice.


Posted by: jetfxr

Does anybody have any new, news on when it will be released?


Posted by: pcmike

It's definitely working up here in Boynton Beach. I was just at a corp store this afternoon and they have the LG CU500 in stock and showing 3G signal. I'm still holding out for the 8525 for now.

Quote:
Originally Posted by christian15213
no it is not show me?



Posted by: christian15213

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetfxr
Does anybody have any new, news on when it will be released?



yes

http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...&postcount=2111


Posted by: jetfxr

LOL. He told you to "Get A Life".

Correspondence like that to CS is what drives our cost up.
Let me ask you, what do you do for a living?
Ok say someone calls you at McDonalds.

caller: Hey when is the Super duper big mac coming out?

You: Has not been released yet.

caller: But, But , BUt Theres a bunch of people over at mcdonalds forumiloveburgeres.com Do you know what it is? You ought to go there.

You. Can I help you with anything else?

You get the point. That guy makes $7 dollars an hour and could give two rats *** about the 8525.


Posted by: strikeIII

i work at best buy and our inventory system says that the scheduled release date for the 8525 in Nov. 5 listed at $529 or $549 retail...now that can always change but as of right now that's what is tells us...i remember when the 8125 was released it just came out of no where...all of a sudden it came out on cingular's business site and the customer service reps. didn't even know what the hit them...so the same may happen with the 8525...


Posted by: berdinkerdickle

Who cares about possible release dates!
Let's get back to talking about the micro, mini, whatever SD bull (MOD EDIT bypassing the swear filter is a bad idea)


Posted by: Daniel Y

Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeIII
i work at best buy and our inventory system says that the scheduled release date for the 8525 in Nov. 5 listed at $529 or $549 retail...now that can always change but as of right now that's what is tells us...i remember when the 8125 was released it just came out of no where...all of a sudden it came out on cingular's business site and the customer service reps. didn't even know what the hit them...so the same may happen with the 8525...


Is the price of $529-$549 with or without a contract? Thanks.


Posted by: strikeIII

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Y
Is the price of $529-$549 with or without a contract? Thanks.


yeah, i can't remember if it was $529 or $549 without contract...


Posted by: Daniel Y

That's a great price without a contract. $700 (today) versus $549. Nov 5 is not too long to wait.


Posted by: gravejoker

Does anyone remember that Cingular rebate that was being argued over sometime back? ... the date on that was Oct 16th .. it's 20th now .. and no sign of the 8525 ..


Posted by: strikeIII

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Y
That's a great price without a contract. $700 (today) versus $549. Nov 5 is not too long to wait.


yeah, it's usually a lot cheaper than the imported ones...that basically what your pay for...the fact that it's not released here in the states...once it is it's definitely a lot cheaper...


Posted by: DemonPPC

Quote:
Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle
Who cares about possible release dates!
Let's get back to talking about the micro, mini, whatever SD bull sh*t


I bought the wrong card!


Posted by: SrchingForSignl

Quote:
Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle
Who cares about possible release dates!
Let's get back to talking about the micro, mini, whatever SD bull sh*t


So Berdink, is your kerdickle mini or micro?


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by untoldfate
OK, all of you sarcastic a**hole's, all I am saying is that it dosn't take 25 people with the same post to inform me about something that is indirectly connected about the 8525, ya were all here to learn about/discuss the specs/features of the 8525 but if I miss a day of reading this thread(god forbid) it takes hours to catch up because of the post/repost/repost/etc. on the same topic saying the same things in different words
I wasn't being sarcastic. I was dead ****ing serious. Maybe some people believe this thread exists only for their convenience of being informed of the release date. And maybe it does. But I garuntee that if I go creat a new thread to discuss this perpheral support/fetures/etc of this upcoming product that the mods will shut it down in 4 seconds flat with "we don't need two threads for the same topic."
So WTF? Where do I/we go to talk about product research? Which by the way is one of the reasons I visit this place....and that requires some redundand discussion about sometimes seemingly loosley relevant topics or products. And anyone who knows forums should know not to believe 1 post, but to aggregate information from multiple supporting posts.
So where do I go to talk about this **** if not here?
**** it.... I'm starting a new thread for anything not related to price or relase date rumors. In fact I agree with you 100% now that I think of it. There should be separate threads.

PS. Damn that was a lot of work to type on an 8125 keyboard. This keyboard sucks. I'm going back to the Treo. :LOL:


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by strikeIII
i work at best buy and our inventory system says that the scheduled release date for the 8525 in Nov. 5 listed at $529 or $549 retail...now that can always change but as of right now that's what is tells us...i remember when the 8125 was released it just came out of no where...all of a sudden it came out on cingular's business site and the customer service reps. didn't even know what the hit them...so the same may happen with the 8525...
Does BB not typically charge more for the same phone as Cingular? Personally I'm surprise BB is even going to carry it. They never seem to have the top end phones let alone any PDAs.


Posted by: MrTrunks

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
Does BB not typically charge more for the same phone as Cingular? Personally I'm surprise BB is even going to carry it. They never seem to have the top end phones let alone any PDAs.

I saw they cary the 650 and 8125 at the store close to me... I actually asked an employee in the wireless dept to look up the 8525 and nothing came up....


Posted by: TiLoBrown

Some BBYs will carry it. It depends on what type of store they are. I'm lucky enough to work in the wireless department of a BBFB store so we're getting it. The price list was without a contract. The system only shows retail price not the rebated ones. We won't know that til we print our signs for the phone out.


Posted by: christian15213

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetfxr
LOL. He told you to "Get A Life".

Correspondence like that to CS is what drives our cost up.
Let me ask you, what do you do for a living?
Ok say someone calls you at McDonalds.

caller: Hey when is the Super duper big mac coming out?

You: Has not been released yet.

caller: But, But , BUt Theres a bunch of people over at mcdonalds forumiloveburgeres.com Do you know what it is? You ought to go there.

You. Can I help you with anything else?

You get the point. That guy makes $7 dollars an hour and could give two rats *** about the 8525.


actually if you read the dialog you would have noticed that they have been trained on the product and are ready for its release... As well, if you read the dialog the main issue of release seems to be coming from HTC manufacturar not cingular... that is what he was illuding too. As well if you read the dialog he thinks we are all losers for following this phone so closely but I quickly responded back with why I am waiting for this phone and I am a loser... LOL, who cares it should be out soon... hopefully.


Posted by: khsstud04

Quote:
Originally Posted by smokeyb111
release:
February.


Yeah, that is incorrect, I just talked to our HTC rep, and a data manager for our region and they said that it would be out within the next month.


Posted by: robothero

A friend's sister's boyfriends roommate works for cingular... he said the phone will be out sometime in the next few months. take it for what it's worth.


Posted by: Daniel Y

Quote:
Originally Posted by robothero
A friend's sister's boyfriends roommate works for cingular... he said the phone will be out sometime in the next few months. take it for what it's worth.


I thought it was the roommate's father's work colleague's brother who read it in the New York Times?


Posted by: christian15213

Quote:
Originally Posted by robothero
A friend's sister's boyfriends roommate works for cingular... he said the phone will be out sometime in the next few months. take it for what it's worth.




Let me explain to you why this is retarded... for one, I won't even go to the obvious stupid coment of the my brothers uncle who has a friend from WWII told me that he knows a sister in Africa that has heard about a tribesman that went to Taiwan and came across an HTC headquarter and overheard a conversation... <<<you get the point...

I won't comment about that comment being retarded... What I will comment on is if someone did work for Cingular, lets say it is the president... why in GODS name would anyway have