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Originally Posted by mush10 skidplace..........any idea of the N75 will be one of the phones making this a busy two weeks..... I'll ask him. I have an appointment with him tomorrow. |
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Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Because a few days ago some of us participated in being rather rude and flaming other members. Today is OK because some of us have choosen so far to not do what was done the other day. Pointless drivel is one thing.... Pointless drivel to point out pointless drivel is something else. But posting "Oh my, the pot is certainly calling the kettle black." would be considered a no-no. Now do you get it?
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Originally Posted by cshehan
If you say so, I think this is more annoying than a very dragged out flame war though.
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Originally Posted by pcmike
You know what would be nice? If those who already have an HTC Tytn take their conversation over to the HTC forum and leave this thread for people who'd like to converse about the 8525. There's no reason for people with Tytns to constantly come in here and bash people who are waiting, give it a rest. Stop posting stupid comments about the front-facing camera and other crap, it's simply not needed or wanted. If you want to hear yourself talk, go talk in a mirror. Stop wasting space, bandwidth, and clogging people's INBOXs.
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Originally Posted by SoberGuy
At least the heated nonsense has a point....
Steiny, now I get it....Took me a minute to understand what you were saying. For one, my 8125 was free. I'll definitely try to get this for free too. If not, oh well. Read the quote in my sig. He offered to buy anyone a free phone of their choice if Cingy is still number one in about 359 days. Whatever phone I like will be free, as I fully expect Cingular to be number 1 still. |
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Originally Posted by mspingeld
I'm pleased with my 8125 but would consider the 8525 for the faster Internet...
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Originally Posted by cypherAgent
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but you can't find individial posts in a thread when doing a search (at least I don't know how) and I don't want to look through all 161 pages again.
Has FCC approval for 8525 been posted? If not, will it need to be posted before Cingular can start selling ithe 8525? I assume Cingular has an agreement with the FCC to not post it until they get ready to sell it. |
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Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
Why do you all question Cingular's release dates? They can and will release a phone when they want to. Maybe they are trying to fake you all out and get them off their backs? Maybe they're going to release it on a Monday, or Friday, or Thursday... who cares!?
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Originally Posted by cypherAgent
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Originally Posted by mnicol819
From what I can tell... Cingular has a lot of trouble with creating a release plan and executing to that plan. The only other possibility is that they simply don't care and are comfortable just throwing things together and releasing when they reach a point that resemples being ready. Either way its interesting to observe and is generally disguised to the average customer by the retail shops.
Why not have a planned release date? Why not communicate using a few comments on their website? Why not TAKE PRE-ORDERS? I realize the size of the user community that takes notice of these things is incredibly small and they don't want to canabalize sales of the 8125s remaining on-hand. However, I know at least 5 people that pay zero attention to the current products that have purchased based on my recomendation this year. So the small community here has a disproportionally high influence. Plus, a note about the 8525 on some technical blog would certainly go completely unnoticed to virtually all customers that may be interested in purchasing a 8125. |
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Originally Posted by mnicol819
From what I can tell... Cingular has a lot of trouble with creating a release plan and executing to that plan. The only other possibility is that they simply don't care and are comfortable just throwing things together and releasing when they reach a point that resemples being ready. Either way its interesting to observe and is generally disguised to the average customer by the retail shops.
Why not have a planned release date? Why not communicate using a few comments on their website? Why not TAKE PRE-ORDERS? I realize the size of the user community that takes notice of these things is incredibly small and they don't want to canabalize sales of the 8125s remaining on-hand. However, I know at least 5 people that pay zero attention to the current products that have purchased based on my recomendation this year. So the small community here has a disproportionally high influence. Plus, a note about the 8525 on some technical blog would certainly go completely unnoticed to virtually all customers that may be interested in purchasing a 8125. |
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Originally Posted by exchguy
This is an area where T-Mobile and Verizon have done a very good job of. Doing marketing on upcoming devices that get people excited about them and ready to buy them at a certain date. Instead, Cingular leaves it up to these types of forums to create hype and keep everyone in the dark on the release. One of the reasons why these threads become out of control like they have with just about every anticipated device.
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Originally Posted by tank27
Does anyone have spec on the 8825?
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Originally Posted by nawaf88
I can get the 8125 for free. All I need to do is have a voice plan that is 79.99 and higher and the unlimited data plan and the phone is free. I already pay more then 79.99 and have a data plan. This of course is through my premier account. 8125 or 8525. I guess I have to wait and see what deal they offer when the 8525 comes out. Decisions, decisions!!
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Originally Posted by Dillsnik
How does your premier acct figure that out? I was told all premier accts have same phone prices/discounts. I never saw that one.
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Originally Posted by SoberGuy
I can understand not hyping a new data device too much. I think we are a minority here, and not everyone is willing to go out and drop the kind of money we're talking about on a new phone. We probably represent a very small percentage of Cingular's customer base. On top of that, ideal release dates are just that, and we all know things don't go ideally. In a perfect world, they wouldn't have any problems. However, issues in testing arise, and fixing one problem may cause another problem to appear. Better to not hype a device at all, than to hype it on a certain date and have to push it back a few months. Imagine how many people would pre-order, given the option, and then demand a discounted price due to postponing the release....
That said, it would be nice if they could have an area of devices in testing, or possible future devices. They could even give an estimated release date 2 months after when they anticipate the release. That way, even if gets postponed, they could release when they said they would, maybe even before. I think they could get a little more attention by publicly announcing what devices they intend to release. |
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Originally Posted by Themajesticking
How do they go about qualifications for premier accounts. I went the the cingular business site and put in my email addy...it says "not found". Does it go by the domain? Or am I totally confused about this??
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Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Sorry, Steiny, but pcmike has a point, although it may have been stated a bit harshly for the likings of some. The purpose of the thread is to talk about the device capabilities (known by now), pricing (pretty much known, at least a very good range for pricing), and the release date (unknown, but currently being discussed and asked about). There are reasons some of us choose to wait for an 8525 as opposed to going to get a Tytn. If you need a summary of those, have fun searching the 161 pages, because they have been stated before.
Posting silly comments just for the sake of posting silly comments, or for the sake of rubbing in that you have a Tytn while others wait for an 8525, is completely pointless and not on track with the purposes of the thread. Doing what you're doing is extremely hypocritical. Pot, meet kettle. If you'd like to discuss why the Tytn, in your opinion, is better than the 8525, feel free. I haven't heard much on that side of the debate other than the instant gratification aspect. Of course, there's the front cam that isn't covered, though the actual use of such is still speculative, as far as I'm concerned. I don't think the device could support a quality video call with current data speeds and the processor speed. At any rate, that's a discussion we can have later if you so choose. But at least it would be on topic, and would contribute much more to the thread than your comments of late. Cypher, that's the first step in the process. We are well, well beyond that now. mspingeld, there's a few threads here in the main cingular forum discussing the 3G network and the availability, both officially and unofficially. And I do believe it's a U that shows up, for UMTS. G is GPRS, E is EDGE, and U is UMTS, or 3G. |
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Originally Posted by nawaf88
where can i get the print out for $100 rebate? Also do these discounts work if you have a family plan on the premier acct. I have a friend who is also interested who is eligible for the same discount but he has a family acct. (1 line his and the other line his wifes) They share min. I am not sure if these type of discounts usually work with family accounts. Does anyone know?
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Originally Posted by Dillsnik
When you go on Cing. regular consumer website and shop for phones it will show you there is a rebate with many phones under the reg price...click that link and there is your rebate form.
As far as family share, its all good in the hood. I'm pretty sure you can work out whatever you need. Just call the business customer support line and they'll help you out. FWIW, if I bought the 8125 through premier, with a new 2 yr contract (not a current cing customer) I would pay 150 after rebate....You better buy that phone! |
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Originally Posted by nawaf88
I really do want to buy it......I really do want the faster internet (3G). Thanks
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Originally Posted by SoberGuy
I can understand not hyping a new data device too much. I think we are a minority here, and not everyone is willing to go out and drop the kind of money we're talking about on a new phone. We probably represent a very small percentage of Cingular's customer base. On top of that, ideal release dates are just that, and we all know things don't go ideally. In a perfect world, they wouldn't have any problems. However, issues in testing arise, and fixing one problem may cause another problem to appear. Better to not hype a device at all, than to hype it on a certain date and have to push it back a few months. Imagine how many people would pre-order, given the option, and then demand a discounted price due to postponing the release....
That said, it would be nice if they could have an area of devices in testing, or possible future devices. They could even give an estimated release date 2 months after when they anticipate the release. That way, even if gets postponed, they could release when they said they would, maybe even before. I think they could get a little more attention by publicly announcing what devices they intend to release. |
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Originally Posted by mnicol819
A good example of how not to do things is the 8125. They clearly slipped many dates at that time and alienated a lot of people who went right over to Verizon and Sprint becuase it wasn't clear if the delays would days, weeks or months. If they just communicated then people would be more likely to stick with them because there isn't a thought in the back of their mind that it might be ancient by the time it actually shows up. Not to mention, the millions of other people that are exposed to the ads we see other carriers doing prior to releasing a product. By not doing a pre-order they were also forced to stumble through the release. During that time the phone was sold for a incorrect price to many people and they had to take it back off the site along with a number of other things that could be avoided with better planning. In they end they came off as not having any consideration for their current or potential customers along with simply incompetent.
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Originally Posted by maevro
This needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Every carrier loses 1000's of people everyday to other carriers for much less. I know a lot of people who have switched to Cingular in the past year because they were not happy with Sprint/Nextel, Verizon or Tmobile's service, not just for phones. Plenty of people are still switching to Cingular for the 8125. My cousins girlfriend switched yesterday to get the 8125 and 2 people I sat next to at dinner this weekend both got the 8125 after leaving Nextel. People like us who hang on to breaking phone news are very few and far between. The majority get a phone and keep it for a while and eventually get a new phone, even if something else will be better soon.
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Originally Posted by SteinyD
No, before you do that you should invest in a grammar and spell checker! Wow!
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Originally Posted by eagle1
Maybe someone should just close or lock this thread and start a new one. It is becoming useless. 4 months and 163 pages of wishful thinking with little real information. Better yet, someone read through all 163 pages pull out the 1 page of real info and add it to the wiki...START A NEW THREAD ALREADY (I hear nov 1st it is going to be available..haha) That would be a good day to close this and open a new thread.....
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Originally Posted by mnicol819
Of couse people will always be switching between every possible combination of carriers. So Verizon shouldn't try for exclusive on the Q? So T-Mobile shouldn't worry about having a outdated network? Cingular shouldn't care that their customer service reps are not helpful?
There is still certains means of conducting business that are better than others. Those differences might result in a diffence of a couple percent in the attrition rates but that is what makes the difference between just being in the game and winning. I'm a Cingular customer and have been for a while so I'm not suggesting that this issue is so overwhelming that everybody should bail. Calling them out when they are performing poorly is what keeps them doing the the right things most of the time. Not sure why you want to defend Cingular on this issue regardless of the amount of weight you give it in influencing your purchasing decision. |
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Originally Posted by inexco
Went to Cingular Store last night to buy 3125 for son.
Asked about 8525. 2 Reps had heard of it. One even mentioned this list by name as well as another Don't have it Don't know when I told them I had heard there were posters as several locations... Don't have them What is holding up release? Speculation from staff (their water cooler talk) is that Cingular is waiting for next version of WM5 -6? Which is 99% ready for release. I don't write them just report them |
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Originally Posted by christian15213
Cingular has OFFICIALLY STOPPED SELLING NEW VERSIONS OF THE 8125... AKA da Wiz...
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Originally Posted by aadadams
On the standard Cingular site they are available, but on premier they are listed as out of stock here.
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Originally Posted by christian15213
Cingular has OFFICIALLY STOPPED SELLING NEW VERSIONS OF THE 8125... AKA da Wiz...
Release is imminent |
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Originally Posted by HiwayFuzz
what is the sku for the 8525. I searched this thread and read a ton of pages, but couldn't find it
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J/K To be perfectly honest it would not surprise me at all to see this unit available again later today.
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Originally Posted by aadadams
Who knows! This is not the first time this has happened here, but it is not available on my site currently. This happened overnight because I checked yesterday and the phone was in stock. Maybe they are dumping the residual units in your market.....
J/K To be perfectly honest it would not surprise me at all to see this unit available again later today. |
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Originally Posted by mnicol819
Perhaps the best way to look at is to take a similar example at a much larger scale. The PS3 is not going to meet its demand that was previously forcast due to production issues. First, they aren't gonig just let the huge crowds gather expecting to all get one and then just let most go home pissed. They are going to be upfront about it and have people look forward to a realistic time when they might get one. Second, they are doing pre-orders but only after their production timeline was in place. That way they don't get people signed up and not be able to come through and they also prevent chaotic events on the release day for the customers and themselves.
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Originally Posted by aadadams
I am not arguing for or against the continued sale of 8125s, and I assure you that I am well aware that Cingular will deplete its stock before the unit is removed from its lineup. I am trying to figure out where in my statements I led you to believe differently. I have two 8125s, and they are nice enough to keep around. But, there are more improvements to the 8525 than just the 3G radio.
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Originally Posted by jimalaiyah
btw... spoke with my contact yesterday who said that the 8525 would not release before the hw6925, which was announced today to be released on 10/31
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Originally Posted by tco
Pictures or it never happened. Come on. Stop with the "I talked to posts"
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Originally Posted by SeekandDestroy
What are the specific differences between the 8525 and the TyTN other than front facing camera and the TyTN being unlocked?
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Originally Posted by SeekandDestroy
Thats the only difference? Also if you buy an unlocked version, then at a later date wanted to get it locked to either Tmo or Cingy then could you?
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Originally Posted by Cansler
Why would you want to re-lock it? the whole point of having an unlocked phone is so you can useit with any carrier that uses that type of technolgy. when it is unlocked, you are no longer bound to the carrier it was produced for, but if you can use it unlocked on the carrier you wish, it would be crazy to lock it. There really is no point in doing so.
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Originally Posted by MHC48
SHOOT.
The HP 6915 is only going to be made available on 10/31 for B2B customers (which I am not) if they do the same for the 8525 (whenever that will be) who knows how long before us peons can get one. |
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Originally Posted by hope4jsl
Why not? I enjoy hearing from what people say regarding their conversations with cingular employees.
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Originally Posted by SteinyD
Triband versus quadband
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Originally Posted by hope4jsl
Why not? I enjoy hearing from what people say regarding their conversations with cingular employees.
I think everybody needs to lighten up. What's with the whole picture or nothing deal? What if someone gets to place an order online, I want to know about it before they get it in and get to take a picture of it! Why can't there be a thread called cingular 8525 release rumors! That why if you don't want to read about it, you don't have to! |
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Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Stick to substance and not rumors? Like Cingular is going to release a press statement about the release date for the 8525.... Please, it's all rumors. Until the device releases, it's just a rumor that Cingular will carry it. Hell, it's just a rumor that it's in testing. Unless, of course, there's some substance I missed....it's just rumors. Sorry if you don't like it. Some do, some don't.
I do agree we need to police the thread, but let people post what they hear. If it's wrong, it's wrong. If it's what they heard, let them post it. Worry more about the "Just buy a Tytn because I did and I'm happy and you're a loser for waiting." Or, "It will be out someimte in 2028, probably about 10:30PM on the third Wednesday after Easter." |
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Originally Posted by .7
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Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Stick to substance and not rumors? Like Cingular is going to release a press statement about the release date for the 8525.... Please, it's all rumors. Until the device releases, it's just a rumor that Cingular will carry it. Hell, it's just a rumor that it's in testing. Unless, of course, there's some substance I missed....it's just rumors. Sorry if you don't like it. Some do, some don't.
I do agree we need to police the thread, but let people post what they hear. If it's wrong, it's wrong. If it's what they heard, let them post it. Worry more about the "Just buy a Tytn because I did and I'm happy and you're a loser for waiting." Or, "It will be out someimte in 2028, probably about 10:30PM on the third Wednesday after Easter." |
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Originally Posted by SeekandDestroy
So other than unlocked and the camera on the front there is no difference. Is that correct?
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Originally Posted by tco
Those posts are a waste
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Originally Posted by untoldfate
#2500 WoooHooo!!!
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Originally Posted by ChrisMc73
Mentalcase,
Thanks, I just would like to know a DATE, thats all I care about. I want to know if/when these new phones will be available, so I decide if I want to wait or not. The 8525, and the Treo 750 will be ones I'm most interested in. |
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Originally Posted by RF9
#!@#@#!## kNOCk OFF THE BS PEOPLE!
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Originally Posted by mentalcase
I know the 8525 is close. The fact that my data manager committed to a date implies its close release. We just do not know exactly when. Also it makes sense to release the 8525 ASAP since Cingular wants to push the crap out of 3g for the holidays. Its coming guys. I will try and get a date by the weekend.
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Originally Posted by Slimsaturn
I was talking to a pretty reliable source over at XDA-Developers and he has been getting all the ROMS as they are coming out. Cingular hasn't even finalized the ROM for the 8525. The next release will be 1.40. So there is probably no way this will be released in the next 1-2 weeks as they will have to reflash their entire stock. The device will be probably released with an AKU 3.X ROM, Also CIngular wants to make sure their devices are not affected with the screen alignment issues of the other Hermes variants.
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Originally Posted by Slimsaturn
I was talking to a pretty reliable source over at XDA-Developers and he has been getting all the ROMS as they are coming out. Cingular hasn't even finalized the ROM for the 8525. The next release will be 1.40. So there is probably no way this will be released in the next 1-2 weeks as they will have to relfash their entire stock. The device will be probably released with an AKU 3.X ROM, Also CIngular wants to make sure their devices are not affected with the screen alignment issues of the other Hermes variants.
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Originally Posted by anubis9278
i have something of substance and i am full of it...no pun intended. emmmmmmmm,emm.
PUSH BACK TO MID NOV. that is all. And I am not kidding... |
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Originally Posted by anubis9278
i have something of substance and i am full of it...no pun intended. emmmmmmmm,emm.
PUSH BACK TO MID NOV. that is all. And I am not kidding... |
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Originally Posted by Dillsnik
TCO, you know what posts are the biggest wastes? The posts where people whine about what other people should or should not write.
Who cares! I am tired of seeing them. I have been reading here for a few weeks JUST to read the rumors....Why don't you start your own forum and then you can be the moderator there, since that is what i think you want. Who are you to tell people what is allowed here? If you have no interest in what someone is saying, that's why God invented a scroll button. |
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Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Steiny,
Sorry you don't like my sig. Report it, k? If the mods want me to take it down, I'll take it down. I personally find it rather humorous. And if he's true to his word, then yes, I suppose everyone will be getting free phones. I don't see that as "in your face", but I'll respect the fact that you do. Don't take anything I say personal. I'm just a guy on a message board. Don't let me get under your skin like that. And if you do take it personal, well, you need to look at why. I didn't name names or point fingers. Hell, half the stuff I referred was what I remember reading. I rarely even look at names when I read what's posted. I have no idea who posted what. Even though .7 asked us not to discuss his post, we have anyway. And to some degree, it's been on topic. Until your post, and possibly the one above. You have something personal to say, you'd like to hash things out with me, send me a PM. I promise I'll get back to you and we discuss anything you like. Until then, please post on topic and keep the personal stuff in PMs. |
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Originally Posted by hitechy
Do you have any support? Why would the page for it be up so soon if it wasn't being released 'till November?
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Originally Posted by skidpalace
Well I hate to do this to you people, but I have just heard straight from my source's mouth that the 8525 has been delayed another month.
It was to be released middle of next week, but some sort of bluetooth issue is causing a delay. We are now back to the end of November. I know this is going to cause a firestorm of replies, and possibly cause the thread to be locked, but I feel I owe it to everyone waiting with baited breath for a report of the release. DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH FOR THIS DEVICE. If the thing drops, I swear I will never post on HoFo again. In fact, I may not post again until I hear otherwise directly from my source. And before anyone asks, NO I will NOT disclose the titles of my sources. Anyone who investigates back through my posts will be able to identify the individuals if I leaked thier titles. I'm sure that kind of thing would be discouraged. I'm not going there. Sorry to ruin your days, weeks, months. |
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Originally Posted by christian15213
the page is up soon... I mean have any of you went to the HTC site... they are just as responsible for this phone getting out as scingular is.
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Originally Posted by ibby03
really well? I spoke to a vp today and he told my class the it should ship out next week...
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Originally Posted by mafiazz
did anyone care to read my post?
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Originally Posted by mentalcase
I know the 8525 is close. The fact that my data manager committed to a date implies its close release. We just do not know exactly when. Also it makes sense to release the 8525 ASAP since Cingular wants to push the crap out of 3g for the holidays. Its coming guys. I will try and get a date by the weekend.
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Originally Posted by anubis9278
i read it but tried not to believe in it, but i was told something similiar. mid nov really just means it will get here when it gets here.
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Originally Posted by skidpalace
Well I hate to do this to you people, but I have just heard straight from my source's mouth that the 8525 has been delayed another month.
It was to be released middle of next week, but some sort of bluetooth issue is causing a delay. We are now back to the end of November. I know this is going to cause a firestorm of replies, and possibly cause the thread to be locked, but I feel I owe it to everyone waiting with baited breath for a report of the release. DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH FOR THIS DEVICE. If the thing drops, I swear I will never post on HoFo again. In fact, I may not post again until I hear otherwise directly from my source. And before anyone asks, NO I will NOT disclose the titles of my sources. Anyone who investigates back through my posts will be able to identify the individuals if I leaked thier titles. I'm sure that kind of thing would be discouraged. I'm not going there. Sorry to ruin your days, weeks, months. |
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Originally Posted by jimalaiyah
a new 3G phone Samsung SGH-ZX20... sounds like groundwork to me...
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Originally Posted by benfica88
AKU 3 rom huh? This kinds of goes hand in hand with what inexco saying about the speculating employees.
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Originally Posted by benfica88
AKU 3 rom huh? This kinds of goes hand in hand with what inexco saying about the speculating employees.
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Originally Posted by nawaf88
that link takes me to the 8125
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Originally Posted by Theprezodent
Please dont police something you know nothing about. I am sorry to sound rude, but this board has gotten crazy. Your statement above makes no sense at all, discussing the current ROM releases has nothing to do with a speculating employee. I have heard the same thing about the final ROM release being AKU 3, so if you dont know anything about the ROM then please just ask questions or educate yourself. The last couple of ROM versions that have been posted have been with AKU 2.3 and 2.6 so the fact that they want the final to be 3.0 is not suprising and would be something that I for one would like
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Originally Posted by christian15213
Ok no one commented on this but this is very important to me purchasing the phone... well, lol, I am going to purchase it anyway but I was wondering about this subject...
Can or will we have the capability to tether in the phone via our internet bundling package for PDA for 40 bucks a month unlimited to our bluetooth laptop computers? if cingy doesn't allow it would there be a hack for it? |