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Cingular/HTC 8525 / HSDPA (APPROVED)

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Posted by: klinquist

Quote:
Originally Posted by importluva
Specs don't always translate perfectly to real world use. The Treo has the advantage of form factor and those Palm tweaks. The form factor on the 8125 I have no really annoys me, but what I really want right now is 3G and a faster processor. Also, people who have had the TyTN and 750v (such as Mashie) have stated that the Treo is faster in real world use, even though it has a slower processor.

Bluetooth spec, wifi and the camera don't really bother me. I barely use any of those on my 8125. I used to own a treo 650 and prefer that keyboard to teh 8125's (plus its always available). Less battery life remains to be seen. And nothing is really stopping me from keeping both.



Fair enough and understandable. Once I get the 8525 I'll be doing a long write-up on comparing it to my 650. I know it'll be apples-to-oranges, but I'll be commenting on software availability from POS to WM5 and everything.

This is my second Treo (fifth if you count warranty replacements.. heh) and I'm decided to make the switch.


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by klinquist
Fair enough and understandable. Once I get the 8525 I'll be doing a long write-up on comparing it to my 650. I know it'll be apples-to-oranges, but I'll be commenting on software availability from POS to WM5 and everything.

This is my second Treo (fifth if you count warranty replacements.. heh) and I'm decided to make the switch.

I went from the Treo 650 to 8125 and I'm very happy I did. I've always preferred WM to POS. Anyways, I've really missed the form factor of the Treo and that is why I want the 750. But, it looks like it might be another 2 months before its released. Might as well enjoy the benefits of 3G today with the 8525.


Posted by: kenny6774

MobiTV...I seen people mention it here a few times...I did a little research and got more info. How is this different of better than say a Slingbox...what is the advantage of having this. I don't get it??


Posted by: klinquist

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny6774
MobiTV...I seen people mention it here a few times...I did a little research and got more info. How is this different of better than say a Slingbox...what is the advantage of having this. I don't get it??



With MobiTV, you're getting live TV from their service.

With a Slingbox, you're getting TC from YOUR service.

The end result is essentially the same - but with MobiTV, you don't need to install hardware at home and have a decently fast internet connection at home.

Also, chances are, your home cable/satellite provider lineup has more channels - so a slingbox client would let you watch everything you have available at home..


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by klinquist
With MobiTV, you're getting live TV from their service.

With a Slingbox, you're getting TC from YOUR service.

The end result is essentially the same - but with MobiTV, you don't need to install hardware at home and have a decently fast internet connection at home.

Also, chances are, your home network lineup has more channels - so a slingbox client would let you watch everything you have available at home..

but does it play shows like prison break?

I think slingbox is the better thing - you can hook it up to your DVR and play your shows whenever wherever.


Posted by: klinquist

Quote:
Originally Posted by importluva
but does it play shows like prison break?

I think slingbox is the better thing - you can hook it up to your DVR and play your shows whenever wherever.



I'm not inferring in any way that MobiTV is superior... I'm just saying that it's a better solution for people that don't want to install a physical box at home (or people that may not have a fast upstream internet connection).

I agree, the Slingbox is way more useful for me...


Posted by: kenny6774

Nevermind that you're paying a monthly fee for MobiTV...It's really interesting how this technology is coming together...you've got the Slingbox setup, the MobiTVs of the world...then phone companies are rolling out there triple play services and you can see that ATT is trying to push content on all three of your screens (TV, computer, cell), then you have Orb...looks like their will be some consolidation in this space, looks like somebody will get bought out...oh and have you all heard of this Jump TV thing...www.jumptv.com. all of this technology is very interesting...will be fun to see where it goes...


Posted by: Themajesticking

I like that fact that orb is free. I may eventually get slingbox though since the 8525 is 3G instead of using the slow EDGE and other compatibility issues sometimes.


Posted by: MazdaRicanRx7

Quote:
Originally Posted by klinquist
With MobiTV, you're getting live TV from their service.

With a Slingbox, you're getting TC from YOUR service.

The end result is essentially the same - but with MobiTV, you don't need to install hardware at home and have a decently fast internet connection at home.

Also, chances are, your home cable/satellite provider lineup has more channels - so a slingbox client would let you watch everything you have available at home..


wait so how does this sling box thing work wut do i exactly have to do so i can watch live tv like fox or comedy central wit say an 8525 gettin it as soon as my store has it
so i can watch live tv while im at work can sum1 plz tell me step by step


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by MazdaRicanRx7
wait so how does this sling box thing work wut do i exactly have to do so i can watch live tv like fox or comedy central wit say an 8525 gettin it as soon as my store has it
so i can watch live tv while im at work can sum1 plz tell me step by step

if you have a fast internet connection at home (cable or dsl) then you plug your Slingbox into your router, TV/DVR input into the slingbox, install programs and boom you're streaming.


Posted by: mentalcase

I dont want to break anyones bubbles, but the 8525 is not releasing tomorrow. At least that is the case at the stores. The phone would have been in todays shipment if that was the case. Also, i talked to someone at BMG today and they said it is not releasing tomorrow for business either. Were probably not going to see it till at least the first week of November. I hope i am wrong but its not looking to be likely.


Posted by: FungFlex

Quote:
Originally Posted by MazdaRicanRx7
wait so how does this sling box thing work wut do i exactly have to do so i can watch live tv like fox or comedy central wit say an 8525 gettin it as soon as my store has it
so i can watch live tv while im at work can sum1 plz tell me step by step


this really isnt the thread for that...god this crap sandwhich of a thread cant go 20 minutes without being horribly off-topic, when the 8525 gets released and this thread is closed it will be a happy day for all.


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by mentalcase
I dont want to break anyones bubbles, but the 8525 is not releasing tomorrow. At least that is the case at the stores. The phone would have been in todays shipment if that was the case. Also, i talked to someone at BMG today and they said it is not releasing tomorrow for business either. Were probably not going to see it till at least the first week of November. I hope i am wrong but its not looking to be likely.

another person that is in the know without actually knowing anything.


Posted by: Themajesticking

Quote:
Originally Posted by FungFlex
this really isnt the thread for that...god this crap sandwhich of a thread cant go 20 minutes without being horribly off-topic, when the 8525 gets released and this thread is closed it will be a happy day for all.

Had someone not mentioned "Orb" in a crapsandwich thread....I wouldn't have known anything about it. Just unsubcribe like I did instead of getting your inbox filled with crap posts.


Posted by: SteinyD

Hey - how about those Cardinals!


Quote:
Originally Posted by FungFlex
this really isnt the thread for that...god this crap sandwhich of a thread cant go 20 minutes without being horribly off-topic, when the 8525 gets released and this thread is closed it will be a happy day for all.



Posted by: TriAxis

I'll mention a few things to keep this thread on track. I was really bored and starting zooming in on the PPT slides.

If you open up the PowerPoint slide and zoom in the lower left picture on slide #14. It looks like the branding picture says 8225. I tried zooming it in Photoshop also and it still looks like 8225. The picture on slide #17 definately says 8525 though. Also the area where the front facing camera was supposed to be, looks greyed out again like the older leaked pictures.

If you zoom in slide #9 with the 7 Treos pictured. Look at the bottom of the picture, it has 20 cingular stores listed and every single one of them are in Illinois; Chicago area and such.

The car charger picture on slide #15 has a weird looking "U" shaped plastic piece next to it, does anyone know what that is?

The Bluetooth receiver on slide #17 looks exactly like my OnCourse BT-339 GPS receiver. A very excellent receiver if I do say so myself.


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by TriAxis
I'll mention a few things to keep this thread on track. I was really bored and starting zooming in on the PPT slides.

If you open up the PowerPoint slide and zoom in the lower left picture on slide #14. It looks like the branding picture says 8225. I tried zooming it in Photoshop also and it still looks like 8225. The picture on slide #17 definately says 8525 though. Also the area where the front facing camera was supposed to be, looks greyed out again like the older leaked pictures.

If you zoom in slide #9 with the 7 Treos pictured. Look at the bottom of the picture, it has 20 cingular stores listed and every single one of them are in Illinois; Chicago area and such.

The car charger picture on slide #15 has a weird looking "U" shaped plastic piece next to it, does anyone know what that is?

The Bluetooth receiver on slide #17 looks exactly like my OnCourse BT-339 GPS receiver. A very excellent receiver if I do say so myself.


wow, you have alot of time on your hands. i did not notice the 8225, hopefully we are not looking at preliminary presentation, or a rough draft of a future presentation???


Posted by: klinquist

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
wow, you have alot of time on your hands. i did not notice the 8225, hopefully we are not looking at preliminary presentation, or a rough draft of a future presentation???



Well the preso was dated 10/20..


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by klinquist
Well the preso was dated 10/20..

and not every corporate presentation is without its faults.


Posted by: kenny6774

Quote:
Originally Posted by Themajesticking
Had someone not mentioned "Orb" in a crapsandwich thread....I wouldn't have known anything about it. Just unsubcribe like I did instead of getting your inbox filled with crap posts.


That someone was me...sorry to get off "topic"...but I just figured that all of the postulating about when this damn phone will finally arrive had gotten pointless. The phone will drop when it drops...hopefully sooner rather than later and hopefully they are working out all the bugs so we don't have to. At this point though I was hoping we could start to move away from the redundant speculation and move to what we intend to do with our new phones....what sorts of software we intend to install etc. So from that perspective I thought it was topical.


Posted by: metalsiren

This is my first post so sorry if I screw it up...

on the PPT it doesnt mention the 8525 coming with a case (or belt clip or something) is this true? or did they just forget to mention it on the presentation..???

thanks guys....


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by metalsiren
This is my first post so sorry if I screw it up...

on the PPT it doesnt mention the 8525 coming with a case (or belt clip or something) is this true? or did they just forget to mention it on the presentation..???

thanks guys....

who knows.

I couldn't care less about a case. I just want SOMETHING. ha.


Posted by: bluetoothless

Did anyone notice in the powerpoint picture of what is included in the box was a set of headphones with what probably is a 2.5 mm jack and not a mini usb jack? The Y adapter shown doesn't have a port to accept this phono type plug. Any clues?


Posted by: pcmike

Anyone notice the post on engadget? Hrm.....


Posted by: .7

Quote:
Originally Posted by conekkted
OK you knuckleheads. This isn't a hostage situation (post pictures next to today's paper...you watch too much 24). Don't you all have wives or families that you need to be spending more time with? I work for Cingular's IT department in Alpharetta, GA. You will get your shot at the 8525 in the next few weeks. You all remind me of the World of Warcraft episode I recently saw on South Park. You all have wasted so much time reading and posting on this ridiculous thread. You can never get that time back. And worse yet, when the device does actually come out to the general public, you all will waste every bit of your day trying to get skype working or the latest cooked ROM installed. And you will all start crying about the bugs in the 8525 and how it was released TOO EARLY without enough QA. HAHAHA. My 2 year old has more patience then you goofballs.

All I can say is that the 8125 was a gap filler. It is a piece of junk. The SX66 was much better (more buttons, much faster processor, better keyboard...the side-sliders are not very functional). All the "problems" of the SX66 were easily overcome by anyone who had any clue about PPC configuration and hacking.

The 8525 is head and shoulders better than the 8125, but only slightly better than the SX66. A few months after you all get it you will simply be slobbering over some new device that was leaked out on engadget. And then some moron will start another "rumor and conjecture" forum to waste everyones time all over again.

You see all of that green stuff outside your window. It's called "the rest of the world". Go out and join it.


So you take the all this time to write all this crap to complain about others writing crap?? All you're doing is perpetuating the problem, and your attitude is terrible. Yes, this thread is a joke and a half, but all you're doing is looking to insult and belittle everyone in here, and it’s not going to fly under my watch. I usually don’t call people out on a thread like this, but you can either quit looking for trouble and learn to respect the other members in here, or you’re welcome to take your input elsewhere.

Note to everyone, this is not how we treat each other in here, and if I see any more garbage like this that member will join him in timeout.


Posted by: jimalaiyah

Thank you.


Posted by: gondalguru

So what is the final consensus about the release date for 8525? I am sick and tired of hearing different dates. I need some concrete information. I need to upgrade my nokia 3120i to a better phone and 8525 will be a nice upgrade.


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by gondalguru
So what is the final consensus about the release date for 8525? I am sick and tired of hearing different dates. I need some concrete information. I need to upgrade my nokia 3120i to a better phone and 8525 will be a nice upgrade.

Once I secure some plutonium from teh government to power my time machine I should have a concrete answer for you

Nobody really has a concrete date, probably not even cingular. We'll know tomorrow if the 10/29 date holds true.


Posted by: .7

Not to get thread thread further off track but I think some of you might want to contribute.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=8122769


Posted by: dhartung02

As of 1:55 AM 10/29 There is no 8525......I don't know when the site will get up dated.....hopefully i will wake up with a surprise!




Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhartung02
As of 1:55 AM 10/29 There is no 8525......I don't know when the site will get up dated.....hopefully i will wake up with a surprise!

Premier also checked as well. Nothing new. Unless there is going to be an update later day, I guess the 29th was bogus


Posted by: Naveen

i am going to bed then...good night to all!


Posted by: Tjash2010

Woah! Its daylight savings time, its 1:29cst, I just noticed.

I was hoping it would be out at the stroke of midnight. But most times i have noticed I dont see the new phones online til 6-7am, so who knows.

We can only hope. The day has just started.


Posted by: IMSReady

As of now 4:39 AM East standtim, abosulently nothing has happened on either Cingular's the public site or premier site. Nor the local branch manager said there is a single 8525 piece came in.

I really hope I was wrong, but it does not help being over-opmistic, does it?


Posted by: riDuh7

Same speculation happened last December with 8125... Does anyone remember? I also remember someone said exactly the same thing as dhartug02... "Hopefully I'll wake up with a surprise!"

As everyone knows, 8125 was not launched on the targeted day and released it about 2 months after the targeted launch day.

I hope, tomorrow, I will be a happy man.


Posted by: SteinyD

Yea, and you guys probably believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy too!


Posted by: pcmike

The last comment is uncalled for, next time why don't you simply not post at all? Thank you.


Posted by: hitechy

Well guys, so it wasn't released today. There's always hope for a Monday launch tomorrow, as it would make more sense.


Posted by: nawaf88

so far its not looking good. Oh well. I guess we'll all be speculating alot more for anothe launch day.


Posted by: christian15213

i told you not today... why don't you listen... within the next two weeks... that is it...


Posted by: nawaf88

relax my friend. Some of us like to speculate, since there has not been any concrete proof of when it is coming out. why should we believe in you over anyone elses projected launch day? It makes it that much more interesting. Plus within the next two weeks could be today, tomorrow, wed and so forth. Your answer does not do us any good either.


Posted by: christian15213

lol, I know but it is common sense... they aren't going to just let that phone... miraculously appear in thin air...


Posted by: metalsiren

I kind of had a feeling it would not be today, and one can hope for tommorrow (but prob not). like Chris said it will prob be in next two weeks.... because when I emailed Cingular on Wed.... they said the same thing that was posted here.... the 8525 didnt pass TA (wont until this week) because of some bluetooth issues..... even the Palm 680 didnt pass TA on 10/20 like in the PPT (it will actually pass TA this week).... but I sure hope I am wrong and that the 8525 comes this week.

before I get flamed....this came directly from a email I sent for personal information. I work for a bank who is just starting to use HSDPA enabled ATM's to lower install time and backhaul circuit pricing. (I just wanted to state that so it wasnt a friend of a friend who knows someone kind of deal)


Posted by: cuidinsider

thats hella funny! HSDPA ATMS WHAT WILL THEY DO NEXT, instead of putting my pin in can i call 611 or pay my bill... im just messing im really looking forward to thsi


Posted by: christian15213

dude this so blows... lol, instead of ThAR she blows there should be an article THIS BLOWS... were da phones... This blows were da phones...


Posted by: cuidinsider

i know where is the damn phones lol i dont even know


Posted by: klinquist

THis is a semi-on topic question that perhaps you can answer:

Will the software on the 8525 make it perform better than an unlocked TyTN? Someone above said that it didn't pass TA because of a bluetooth issue. Was this issue introduced by Cingular's software or did they discover a bug with HTC's software/implementation?

I've got a Treo 650 now and Palm has always been one step ahead of the carriers in introducing firmware upgrades. The unlocked versions always had bug fixes first - if this will still be the case, I may just buy the HTC. Of course, then I don't have Cingular's support in case of a device failure...

What's the failure rate like on the 8125? The Treos seem to have a pretty high failure rate, but I hear that Palm has contracted HTC to manufacture the 750, so that's a vote of confidence for HTC..

Thanks!


Posted by: robothero

Quote:
Originally Posted by klinquist
Will the software on the 8525 make it perform better than an unlocked TyTN?



No, because an unlocked TyTN can use the Cingular Software.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by klinquist
THis is a semi-on topic question that perhaps you can answer:

Will the software on the 8525 make it perform better than an unlocked TyTN? Someone above said that it didn't pass TA because of a bluetooth issue. Was this issue introduced by Cingular's software or did they discover a bug with HTC's software/implementation?

I've got a Treo 650 now and Palm has always been one step ahead of the carriers in introducing firmware upgrades. The unlocked versions always had bug fixes first - if this will still be the case, I may just buy the HTC. Of course, then I don't have Cingular's support in case of a device failure...

What's the failure rate like on the 8125? The Treos seem to have a pretty high failure rate, but I hear that Palm has contracted HTC to manufacture the 750, so that's a vote of
confidence for HTC..

Thanks!


You should be able to expect the Cingular device to be a bit more refined than the Tytn.. Although HTC's devices are usually sound, it seems like there where some mistakes made in the release of the Tytn and most, if not all have been cleaned up. Cingular has had the opportunity to see the big picture and adjust accordingly, hopefully.. Some of us remember the MPx220 debacle.. I went through 4 of those things before I had Cingular send me the 2125 which, might I add, is a excellent device.. I think it is safe to say that the 8525 will be just as good if not better than the Tytn..

As for the failure rate of the 8125 vs Palm.. I don't have numbers but HTC is incredible when it comes to the quality and control of their devices.. I have 2 friends with Treo 750ws from Verizon and both have already had to have them replaced. My one buddy is already on his 3rd.. I'm not sure if that means anything in the big picture but I'm just throwing it out there..

Edit: Oh yeah.. I think I too remember "Hopefully I'll wake up with a surprise!".. It's like Christmas morning only to find that Santa didn't come..

This thread has been making me crazy and I just cant take it anymore.. Come on Cingular... Lets get this thing out the door..


Posted by: klinquist

Thanks for your input.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
Some of us remember the MPx220 debacle..



Could you elaborate on this?



I'd really like a new device in the next week or two.... and if Cingular isn't going to give it to me, I may get a tytn from phonesource or something... I just don't want to have issues that 8525 owners don't have. Price isn't a big issue.


Posted by: mbn

Back in August I purchased an 8125, with the intention of returning it within 30 days 'when the 8525 is released', as people were speculating it would be. It's kind of funny now that I look back and think that the 8525 was ever going to be released in September.

I recently overclocked my 8125 to 240mhz and I can honestly say the device speed is MUCH better than it was, and the wait for the 8525 has become a lot easier. If you have an 8125 and you haven't overclocked, it's not hard to do, and your wait for however much longer for the 8525 will be that much easier. It'll also take your mind off the 8525 for a few days, at least.


Posted by: SteinyD

Wow, the anger of this release is oozing out of your pores! Lighten up. You couldn't possibly have taken that as anything more than unoffending, light humor in light of the situation.

Wow! I guess you'll find this posting uncalled for too ... so read on!


Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmike
The last comment is uncalled for, next time why don't you simply not post at all? Thank you.



Posted by: SteinyD

There is a problem with the Tytn Bluetooth stack that causes it to randomly drop its pairing. You have to have it be discoverable again or search for the device it was paired with. I've experienced this on occasion (1-2 times a week +/-) and has been reported by others at xda-developer. I would hope Cingular and their engineering team are aware of this via their discussions with HTC and resolving it with them.


Quote:
Originally Posted by klinquist
THis is a semi-on topic question that perhaps you can answer:

Will the software on the 8525 make it perform better than an unlocked TyTN? Someone above said that it didn't pass TA because of a bluetooth issue. Was this issue introduced by Cingular's software or did they discover a bug with HTC's software/implementation?

I've got a Treo 650 now and Palm has always been one step ahead of the carriers in introducing firmware upgrades. The unlocked versions always had bug fixes first - if this will still be the case, I may just buy the HTC. Of course, then I don't have Cingular's support in case of a device failure...

What's the failure rate like on the 8125? The Treos seem to have a pretty high failure rate, but I hear that Palm has contracted HTC to manufacture the 750, so that's a vote of confidence for HTC..

Thanks!



Posted by: pcmike

Actually I do find your last post uncalled for as well, considering the only thing I'm angry about is stupid posts like yours. I, honestly, can wait however long it takes, but seeing your crappy posts day in and day out makes the wait that much more excruciating. Grow up...


Posted by: klinquist

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteinyD
There is a problem with the Tytn Bluetooth stack that causes it to randomly drop its pairing. You have to have it be discoverable again or search for the device it was paired with. I've experienced this on occasion (1-2 times a week +/-) and has been reported by others at xda-developer. I would hope Cingular and their engineering team are aware of this via their discussions with HTC and resolving it with them.


hm.. thanks. That concerns me a bit. How has HTC been about releasing bug fixes (via new firmware?) in the past?


Posted by: IMSReady

Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmike
Actually I do find your last post uncalled for as well, considering the only thing I'm angry about is stupid posts like yours. I, honestly, can wait however long it takes, but seeing your crappy posts day in and day out makes the wait that much more excruciating. Grow up...



Me too. These kind of stupid posts never contribute anything. It stinks like bull **** ...


Posted by: SteinyD

Didn't realize anticipating technology didn't call for any humor ... oh well. Sorry to hear your so uptight.

May the delays of the 8525 cause you great angst in the coming days and weeks...

BTW, I have posted and responded to plenty of serious questions in regard to issues with current Hermes products (see recent post above). Mixing in a little humor from time to time really never hurt anyone. Don't recall a cost per message. Skip the ones you don't care for or have interest in ... really, find a way to relax ... breath in ... breath out ... that's it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by IMSReady
Me too. These kind of stupid posts never contribute anything. It stinks like bull **** ...



Posted by: SteinyD

Not sure about the long term history of HTC, but in the few months I've owned my device I haven't seen any patches or updates of any kind. It is one of the reasons I chose to purchase a HTC branded device as I had hoped it would get a bit more rapid attention then others. Maybe that was a bad assumption on my part.


Quote:
Originally Posted by klinquist
hm.. thanks. That concerns me a bit. How has HTC been about releasing bug fixes (via new firmware?) in the past?



Posted by: SoberGuy

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteinyD
Didn't realize anticipating technology didn't call for any humor

Thing is, you're the only one finding it humorous. Everyone else is frustrated with your pointless, inane comments.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteinyD
... oh well. Sorry to hear your so uptight.

Ah, insulting others. How ingenous and creative of you. If only I could express my distaste for you monosyllabically enough for you to understand.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteinyD
May the delays of the 8525 cause you great angst in the coming days and weeks...

And you wonder why everyone believes you wear your *** for a hat. Your head is so fimly implanted between your cheeks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteinyD
BTW, I have posted and responded to plenty of serious questions in regard to issues with current Hermes products (see recent post above). Mixing in a little humor from time to time really never hurt anyone. Don't recall a cost per message. Skip the ones you don't care for or have interest in ... really, find a way to relax ... breath in ... breath out ... that's it!

Occassionally posting useful information is in no way a right to be a complete prick. Post useful information or don't post. You come here looking to instigate something with anyone willing to reply. You know what that's called? A TROLL. You are nothing more than worthless TROLL, a waste of skin, (edited for being a little too graphic). The fact you haven't been given a vacation yet is a total shock to me. However, I won't give in and respond to you any longer. TROLLS are not worth the time. And I don't think I can express myself freely enough to make it worth my time.

And to post something related to the thread....Mid November is what I keep hearing on the release from my contact. I'm hoping to get an exact date tomorrow, if she gets one.


Posted by: jimalaiyah

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteinyD
Didn't realize anticipating technology didn't call for any humor ... oh well.


The problem isn't with humor, there have been some very humorous posts... by others...

You, on the other hand, are about as far from funny as can be. So please, do us all a favor... just stop.


Posted by: riDuh7

Ouch, I guess I'm not a happy person as I was expecting to be.

I mean..... WHY OH WHY! Does Cingular has to put us in the misery every single time they're trying to release a phone?


Posted by: riDuh7

And guys... Don't be so upset about someone else's nonsense posts... Besides, there are always handy functions called "ignore list" and "report bad post".

The man thinks it's funny; let him be the only one that thinks so.


Posted by: SteinyD

... and your periodic posts of your contact telling you when something is going to be released is far more useful. Hmm ... and what makes you and your contacts any more credible then anyone else's or of any more helpful in this already ridiculous 193 page thread. Just amazing how little it takes to get you or others excited. You'd think we were discussing something important, such as world hunger, safety of our children or something really meaningful in life... sorry, but if you think i'm such a low life troll, then you've just stooped to a new low with your very direct, post. My posts however, haven't been derogetory or pointed at anyone at a personal level. Only adding some levity to a bunch of nonsense.. care to perpetuate this further?

Piece of work ...

Oh, so just so that my post is as credible as yours, I stopped into a Cingular store on Wall Street on Friday and was told they have the 8525 on their release list, still don't have a definitive date but believed from what they were hearing that it would be before end of November as they were expecting a number of releases to be available for the holiday rush.



Quote:
Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Thing is, you're the only one finding it humorous. Everyone else is frustrated with your pointless, inane comments.


Ah, insulting others. How ingenous and creative of you. If only I could express my distaste for you monosyllabically enough for you to understand.


And you wonder why everyone believes you wear your *** for a hat. Your head is so fimly implanted between your cheeks.


Occassionally posting useful information is in no way a right to be a complete prick. Post useful information or don't post. You come here looking to instigate something with anyone willing to reply. You know what that's called? A TROLL. You are nothing more than worthless TROLL, a waste of skin, (edited for being a little too graphic). The fact you haven't been given a vacation yet is a total shock to me. However, I won't give in and respond to you any longer. TROLLS are not worth the time. And I don't think I can express myself freely enough to make it worth my time.

And to post something related to the thread....Mid November is what I keep hearing on the release from my contact. I'm hoping to get an exact date tomorrow, if she gets one.



Posted by: txschafers

Back to a productive and adult post....just checked the premier site and no update.


Posted by: pgray007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
As for the failure rate of the 8125 vs Palm.. I don't have numbers but HTC is incredible when it comes to the quality and control of their devices.. I have 2 friends with Treo 750ws from Verizon and both have already had to have them replaced. My one buddy is already on his 3rd.. I'm not sure if that means anything in the big picture but I'm just throwing it out there..


FYI, HTC also manufactures the Palm devices. Palm designs them, but HTC actually builds the palms and I think they also build the iPaqs (they used to with the 5xxx series anyway).


Posted by: .7

If I see any more personal attacks or insults in here from anyone you're gone for a week, and Im not kidding. I dont care if you're responding to a flame or not, take it to PM or take a vacation, the choice is yours.

Ive passed out some warnings as well, those that got em are wise to address them.


Posted by: richy240

This forum is becoming the police-state equivalent of a web site. Bummer.

Can't we just all ignore "trolls" and get on with our business? Is it necessary that we dignify bad posts with replies? Do we really HAVE to get the authorities involved? They involve themselves to much as it is...


Posted by: XninjaR

.... So does anyone have any idea about the release date of this phone, I seriously sat down today and considered buying an O2 Trion in Chinatown today for $800 . I am getting desperate.

So we have a few theories.
a) The 29th didn’t pan out too well, because, well that is today and no one is posting with joy about their ordered phone.
b) We have the first week of Nov. (which seems most likely) however I still haven’t heard much proof for it; expect "I heard from a source"
c) Sometime before Xmas
d) Sometime in Feb (which I sincerely hope not)

Any other theories I missed?


Posted by: wierdo

I expect that Cingular wants it out before Christmas, and will do everything they can to make it happen, if the firmware passes QA. The longer they wait, the less likely I am to buy it, though, since I only want it for its HSDPA.


Posted by: silveronblack

ANOTHER RELEASE DATE!!

so i gave up on cingular stores. i decided to call the anaheim hills store while at work last week.

Some guy answers and i ask when the 8525 is coming out, he says december. I say thanks and hung up.

I called back 3 hours later, same guy answers the phone, i ask "hey you guys get the 8525 in this week dont you?" he replies no we get it next week. i say thanks and hang up. so this guy is just a douche and telling people whatever he feels like.

So i call my buddy who is really close with a manager at a cingular store in brea and ask him to go over and ask when the 8525 is coming out. My friend has got phones days before they came out and trusts this guy.

Anyways he walked in and asked when the 8525 was coming out, with no hesitation the manager said we will have it Nov. 16th and was firm on it

Just another release date for everyone.


Posted by: SoberGuy

Silver,
Sounds like we're in the same neighborhood. I don't frequent the Brea store, since I've built better relationships with the one at Harbor and Orangethorpe. I have had some good experiences with the Brea corporate store, though. Even sold a couple of 8125s to a guy while I was waiting for a sales rep to fix my SIM issue.

The only date I've heard is mid-November. I don't think it will be out before then.


Posted by: UnrealTechno

Quote:
Originally Posted by silveronblack
ANOTHER RELEASE DATE!!

So i call my buddy who is really close with a manager at a cingular store in brea and ask him to go over and ask when the 8525 is coming out. My friend has got phones days before they came out and trusts this guy.

Anyways he walked in and asked when the 8525 was coming out, with no hesitation the manager said we will have it Nov. 16th and was firm on it

Just another release date for everyone.


As much as I do like hearing things like that from managers, I still doubt that they would do it on a weekend.


Posted by: SoberGuy

Quote:
Originally Posted by UnrealTechno
As much as I do like hearing things like that from managers, I still doubt that they would do it on a weekend.

Uh, the 16th is a Thursday. Unless you get really, really long weekends.


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbn
Back in August I purchased an 8125, with the intention of returning it within 30 days 'when the 8525 is released', as people were speculating it would be. It's kind of funny now that I look back and think that the 8525 was ever going to be released in September.

I recently overclocked my 8125 to 240mhz and I can honestly say the device speed is MUCH better than it was, and the wait for the 8525 has become a lot easier. If you have an 8125 and you haven't overclocked, it's not hard to do, and your wait for however much longer for the 8525 will be that much easier. It'll also take your mind off the 8525 for a few days, at least.



back when the 8125 was supposed to be released in sept. of 2005, I stopped waiting for a non 3g ppc phone and got the htc apache on cdma with 3g data in sept. 05 and the inferior non 3g 8125 didnt come out till Feb.

problem is now i'm ready for a new 3g ppc phone and waiting for cingular again.

I wonder if sprint and/or vzw will release the 6800 event though it hasn't been announced or anything and only preliminary pics of it have circulated. still i wouldn't be surprised if the cdma version does come out before cingulars just like last year. i know oct. 5 was set but they may really hold it till feb again to give the 8125 a full year before upgrade. this would of course be blasphemous but hte longer i wait the more i think they will always be behind and not worth waiting for.


Posted by: UnrealTechno

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Uh, the 16th is a Thursday. Unless you get really, really long weekends.


Touché


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Uh, the 16th is a Thursday. Unless you get really, really long weekends.



as shown in my sig. Nov. 16 is the slated release date for the Samsung i607 blackjack

maybe they are going to do an 8525 i607 simulataneous release instead of 8525 treo 750 simultaneous release as was rumored.

holding the 8525 until the slated release date of the i607 is stupid though as the 8525 was due oct. 5th although treo 750 slated release date is Nov. 9th (is that what my sig says, i can't see it but i know its earlier in Nov.)

yeah the 9th so maybe if it really is going to be a 8525 treo 750 simultaneous release it will be Nov. 9th and then i607 on the 16th. i like that idea and that is my guess of what will happen.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
back when the 8125 was supposed to be released in sept. of 2005, I stopped waiting for a non 3g ppc phone and got the htc apache on cdma with 3g data in sept. 05 and the inferior non 3g 8125 didnt come out till Feb.

problem is now i'm ready for a new 3g ppc phone and waiting for cingular again.

I wonder if sprint and/or vzw will release the 6800 event though it hasn't been announced or anything and only preliminary pics of it have circulated. still i wouldn't be surprised if the cdma version does come out before cingulars just like last year. i know oct. 5 was set but they may really hold it till feb again to give the 8125 a full year before upgrade. this would of course be blasphemous but hte longer i wait the more i think they will always be behind and not worth waiting for.


OK.. I hear you but the 6700 is an Apache and the 8125 is a Wizard.. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but you'll not likely see a cdma version of the Hermes for months if at all.. HTC seems to release each device to either the cdma or gsm networks (correct me if I'm wrong here). I also understand that Cingular should want to try and stretch the life of the 8125 but you also have to think about it from a 3G perspective.. Cingular's push to get the new HSDPA network rolled out is only significant if there are devices to take advantage of it.. I would think Cingular feels that they need this device out the door before Feb.. IMHO..

Edit: I also wanted to say thank you to .7 and keep up the good work..


Posted by: klinquist

well, since the 8525 didn't come out today, I had to buy a tytn on ebay . I'll have it tuesday.


Posted by: pcmike

Good luck with that.. hope your unit doesn't suffer from any of the well-reported/well-documented issues. I'll be waiting it out in agony.


Posted by: klinquist

Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmike
Good luck with that.. hope your unit doesn't suffer from any of the well-reported/well-documented issues. I'll be waiting it out in agony.



Well, the hardware is the same, and I can run the Cingular ROM on it (which has already been released)...


Posted by: aadadams

Running the Cingular ROM will not fix the keyboard and screen issues in the event you get an affected unit. Hopefully your unit is not affected, but if it is I hope you used a CC to make your purchase.


Posted by: XninjaR

Dammit, this reminds me of the 8125 fiasco, every week we heard a new release date, and every week we heard "another 2 weeks from" from cingy. I really really hope it releases the 16th latest, the 9th would be even better. Hope your right Quatre. I really do.


Posted by: robothero

just hope you get a HT635 or higher, you should be in the clear if you do.


Posted by: aadadams

There are no guarantees based on serial number. The best thing to have is a vendor that stands behind the product if you have problems. Otherwise your CC Co. is your next line of defense.


Posted by: Naveen

though this is not related directy to the 8525, but maybe there is some good news coming for us 8525 fans!!!

http://mobilitytoday.com/news/palm_fry_680.html


Posted by: ManOfGod

I have been content lately with my refurbed 8125. It is my first ppc phone and I am enjoying it thus far.

I have noticed that I am using the stylus keyboard a lot more than I thought, though. I have barely touched the slider keyboard at all. Has anyone else found the same inclination?

Additionally, I visited my local Cingular store and I saw a blank spot where a phone should be. It was right next to the 8125 and had a small font text which said "Cingular 8525". This phone has to be pretty close, folks.

PS....I am so looking for the new thread to start. It is getting scary in here.


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfGod
I have been content lately with my refurbed 8125. It is my first ppc phone and I am enjoying it thus far.

I have noticed that I am using the stylus keyboard a lot more than I thought, though. I have barely touched the slider keyboard at all. Has anyone else found the same inclination?

Additionally, I visited my local Cingular store and I saw a blank spot where a phone should be. It was right next to the 8125 and had a small font text which said "Cingular 8525". This phone has to be pretty close, folks.

PS....I am so looking for the new thread to start. It is getting scary in here.


by the title of your name, i know you aint pulling our legs!!!


Posted by: SrchingForSignl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
though this is not related directy to the 8525, but maybe there is some good news coming for us 8525 fans!!!

http://mobilitytoday.com/news/palm_fry_680.html


Methinks Naveen intended this URL: http://mobilitytoday.com/news/007114/cingular_8525_680


Posted by: SrchingForSignl

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfGod
PS....I am so looking for the new thread to start. It is getting scary in here.


AMEN said the atheist to the ManOfGod.


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by SrchingForSignl


actually i was referring to the picture of the display of the 680 at fry's. maybe more new stuff to come i am hoping for all of us


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfGod
I have been content lately with my refurbed 8125. It is my first ppc phone and I am enjoying it thus far.

I have noticed that I am using the stylus keyboard a lot more than I thought, though. I have barely touched the slider keyboard at all. Has anyone else found the same inclination?

Additionally, I visited my local Cingular store and I saw a blank spot where a phone should be. It was right next to the 8125 and had a small font text which said "Cingular 8525". This phone has to be pretty close, folks.

PS....I am so looking for the new thread to start. It is getting scary in here.
Yes. My experience is just the same. I do use the keyboard when I actually have an amount of text to type, but most of the time I grab the stylus and poke at the on-screen keyboard which is why I decided I'm going with the Treo 750, not the 8525. I'd rather be hitting keys like the good ol' days on the Treo 650 than using the stylus to type on screen.
My 30 days is up pretty soon and I'm going to be returning the 8125 to Cingular for a refund (and get the Treo 750 in the future when it comes.)
I keep an eye on the state of the 8525, still. Part of me wants to have both (8525 + 750,) even though I can't practically use both of them.)


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
Yes. My experience is just the same. I do use the keyboard when I actually have an amount of text to type, but most of the time I grab the stylus and poke at the on-screen keyboard which is why I decided I'm going with the Treo 750, not the 8525. I'd rather be hitting keys like the good ol' days on the Treo 650 than using the stylus to type on screen.
My 30 days is up pretty soon and I'm going to be returning the 8125 to Cingular for a refund (and get the Treo 750 in the future when it comes.)
I keep an eye on the state of the 8525, still. Part of me wants to have both (8525 + 750,) even though I can't practically use both of them.)


after using a regular pda for a while, for me the extra space on the screen is very valuable pleasure!


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
OK.. I hear you but the 6700 is an Apache and the 8125 is a Wizard.. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but you'll not likely see a cdma version of the Hermes for months if at all.. HTC seems to release each device to either the cdma or gsm networks (correct me if I'm wrong here). I also understand that Cingular should want to try and stretch the life of the 8125 but you also have to think about it from a 3G perspective.. Cingular's push to get the new HSDPA network rolled out is only significant if there are devices to take advantage of it.. I would think Cingular feels that they need this device out the door before Feb.. IMHO..

Edit: I also wanted to say thank you to .7 and keep up the good work..



well pics of the 6800 has been seen and i think with vzw branding on it. It has # pad on the outside so you dont have to slide open the keyboard for that which is nice but still hae the keyboard for text, though i imagine you could do t9 minor quick texting using the # pad also.

the 3g point is a good one and i agree they should have released the 8525 oct 5th when it was slated for.

i'm just saying that Sprint and Vzw had their 6700 apaches out in Sept. Oct. last year where as cing released 8125 in Feb. so i woldn't be surprised if VZW out of nowhere releases the 6800 before cing releases the 8525.

this scenario has happend on almost every other phone they both get for the past many releases. at least as far as who released it first cing hasn't wont that since the orig razr.

dont get me wrong i'm not even looking for the 6800 and therefore dont know much about it as i'd really rather get on cing gsm so i can switch sim and can drop vzw for 3g data, though i'm worried hsdpa isnt going to be as widespread coverage but oh well.

but if the 6800 does come out first and/or something like the htc excalibur but with 3g (already has wifi) or something like the samsung i607 with wifi (already has 3g) then i might be tempted just to get one or both of those and stay on vzw for 3g data as they will prob be going to evdo rev A soon too since sprint launched it and will always be ahead of cing as far as hispeed data not to mention phone releases as i already did.

i really want to drop vzw though and want to replace my moto Q with samsung i607 and xv6700 with cing 8525. right now since switching which phone is activated on vzw is such a pain i jus hav the Q activated and use the 6700 through wifi.

cing just better hury.


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by XninjaR
Dammit, this reminds me of the 8125 fiasco, every week we heard a new release date, and every week we heard "another 2 weeks from" from cingy. I really really hope it releases the 16th latest, the 9th would be even better. Hope your right Quatre. I really do.


Yeah i'm guessing/predicting a Nov. 9th simulataneous release of the 8525 and Treo 750. That will be hawt. Really they should space the release and do the 8525 sooner like Oct. 31/Nov. 1 and then 9th for Treo 750 as slated and then nov. 16 for samsung i607 as slated.

thats what they should do but since i heard that 8525 and treo 750 simultaneous release it will prob be Nov. 9th.


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
Yes. My experience is just the same. I do use the keyboard when I actually have an amount of text to type, but most of the time I grab the stylus and poke at the on-screen keyboard which is why I decided I'm going with the Treo 750, not the 8525. I'd rather be hitting keys like the good ol' days on the Treo 650 than using the stylus to type on screen.
My 30 days is up pretty soon and I'm going to be returning the 8125 to Cingular for a refund (and get the Treo 750 in the future when it comes.)
I keep an eye on the state of the 8525, still. Part of me wants to have both (8525 + 750,) even though I can't practically use both of them.)



8525 and treo 750 are both ppc touchscreen but 750 doesnt' have wifi so eff that. get 8525 and samsung i607 like me. first for wifi and touch screen and the second for thin (like moto Q) form, one handed use and better overall phone use in a smartphone form. you can easily use both by jus switchign the sim card to whichever you feel like or need at the time and you can always use the wifi of the 8525 even when i doesnt have your sim card in it.


Posted by: benfica88

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
as shown in my sig. Nov. 16 is the slated release date for the Samsung i607 blackjack

maybe they are going to do an 8525 i607 simulataneous release instead of 8525 treo 750 simultaneous release as was rumored.

holding the 8525 until the slated release date of the i607 is stupid though as the 8525 was due oct. 5th although treo 750 slated release date is Nov. 9th (is that what my sig says, i can't see it but i know its earlier in Nov.)

yeah the 9th so maybe if it really is going to be a 8525 treo 750 simultaneous release it will be Nov. 9th and then i607 on the 16th. i like that idea and that is my guess of what will happen.


This reminds me,wasnt there talks about the 8525 NOT coming out before the blackjack? This is just great...


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by SrchingForSignl



oh hm crazy, well that was the sunday oct. 29th rumor date that didn't happy so maye it still will this week like oct 31 or nov 1st.

also i just checked the date i had from someone that had the internal document with upcoming cing releases and treo 680 was slated for nov. 2nd

looks like that was pushed back 3 days to nov. 5th according to that link i quoted. but point is maybe it will be a treo 680 and cing 8525 simultaneous release now on the 5th.

that would make more sense as the 680 is palm instead of pitting two wm 5 devices against eachother on same day with teh 750 and 8525

so yeah i'm guessing the 5th now for the 8525 but nostradamus is saying Feb. based on last years 8125 debacle, heh.


Posted by: Daniel Y

Here's a question for current owners of the TyTN, 8525, or other variant.

If I have a file on a USB flash drive that I want to send as an email attachment, will the USB port on the TyTN allow me to simply transfer that file to the unit (assuming I get the right adapter), or do I still need a laptop to transfer from the flash drive to the TyTN's micro-SD?

Thanks.


Posted by: inexco

Personally I don't know why you could not use the cable with an adapter. This should work with 3125 also.

If not then a multi adapter usb and sd/cf/mini/micro should
be another way to get it on the micro sd card without doing a sync Would need any USB capable (Win 98 +) computer for transfer medium.

Of course if you have WiFi or Blue Tooth on a device you could plug the thumb drive in and you could transfer via WiFi or BT.

WM5 office will convert files on sync to be used by PPC. If you are interested in Office files you will need to sync just to open/edit them.

JPG's etc will present no problem on a transfer


Posted by: txschafers

I am really bummed out. I thought I would be ordering my new 8525 this morning and have yet to see the premier site updated. I saw on Engadget that there is a possible misprint of a Bestbuy add for the 750W with Sprint. If it is true I am going to seriously consider dropping Cingular all together. It is ridiculous how far behind they are the other carriers in delivering new phones.


Posted by: robothero

Quote:
Originally Posted by aadadams
There are no guarantees based on serial number. The best thing to have is a vendor that stands behind the product if you have problems. Otherwise your CC Co. is your next line of defense.



Not completely true. HT2XX and early HT3XX had a much larger (read: thicker) gasket underneath the front cover and surrounding the screen. this, in turn resulted in more frequent screen alignment issues. While it's still possible to get the SA with a 635 and higher, the chances are much less likely thanks to the smaller gasket. (There are also a few quick fixes available if you start to have the problem and want to try a few things out before you send it back for repair).

Also note, just because the 8525 will be coming from cingular doesn't mean that the SA problems will be gone.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
well pics of the 6800 has been seen and i think with vzw branding on it. It has # pad on the outside so you dont have to slide open the keyboard for that which is nice but still hae the keyboard for text, though i imagine you could do t9 minor quick texting using the # pad also.

the 3g point is a good one and i agree they should have released the 8525 oct 5th when it was slated for.

i'm just saying that Sprint and Vzw had their 6700 apaches out in Sept. Oct. last year where as cing released 8125 in Feb. so i woldn't be surprised if VZW out of nowhere releases the 6800 before cing releases the 8525.

this scenario has happend on almost every other phone they both get for the past many releases. at least as far as who released it first cing hasn't wont that since the orig razr.

cing just better hury.


Your right.. I forgot that there was a 6800 on the horizon but I have not been able to spot it with the keys on front like you described above.. Are you talking about the 5800? Not sure.. but anyway you are right that Cingular has fallen months behind when it comes to the devices in the past and I dont even want to talk about the data networks.. Lets just hope that once HSDPA blankets the US, Cingular will continue to upgrade to those incredible speeds HSDPA is capable of.

To be honest I'm not a fan of the cdma version devices that Verizon and Sprint pick up to compete with the GSM carriers. I know the 6700 looks far supirior on paper but when using the device I'm thoroughly unimpressed.. Just me though..

HSDPA + Cingular's GSM Network + 8525 = ?

EVDO Rev A + Verizon's CDMA Network + XV6800 = ?

Looks like Cingular has bridged the gap that was definitely there last year, IMHO..


Posted by: importluva

6800 look more like a 6700, 5850 is the one quatre is speaking of.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by robothero
Also note, just because the 8525 will be coming from cingular doesn't mean that the SA problems will be gone.


True.. But I think it is safe to say that there will be no more issues than what the Herm100 has had in variants like the SPV M3100.. It seems that all the Herm100 variants have been cleaner than the 200 and on top of that you have an anal retentive company like Cingular looking this thing over to cut down on maintenance issues after the sale.. You are absolutely correct that there are no guarantees and Cingular has certainly made some mistakes in the past, but we can only hope that they learned from them..

As far as I'm concerned.. I've waited this long, this thing better be solid..


Posted by: robothero

Well, I personally don't think that there will be anything to worry about considering the changes they have already made to the herm200 to alleviate most of the issues. They know that the gasket was the problem, it was just an issue of fixing that and getting the new ones out there. I believe they did that with the 635+, which is why no issues have been seen on any of those versions yet (having a HT636 myself I haven't had a single problem).


Posted by: ManOfGod

Hey, I noticed on the front page of this website (HowardChui.com) that they are actually releasing the new HP ppc phones. I thought it did not have WiFi, but this site says it does!

What does the 8525 have that the HP does not other than 3g and a slightly better camera? The HP having GPS is perfect for my second job (Realtor).

I am only asking because I am finding little use for the slider keyboard, but I really like the WiFi feature. It allows me to check e-mail and surf the net without a pricey data plan.

In advance, I thank you for your assistance. I am so loving this forum!


Posted by: inexco

IMHO Cingular delayed introduction by:

1. Removing Front Camera - mold and produce new case front (unless 8500 without camera(s) was already designed and planned by HTC)
2. Push to talk button addition - see above + switch and circuit addition + add to ROM (minor)

Release Date: Oct 31 - TRICK not treat


Posted by: SoberGuy

I think the 8525 has been delayed by trying to ensure that they release a quality, stable device. Personally, I like the thorough testing they put these through. Hopefully we'll see them soon...

By the way, anyone hearing anything about the PPT? I'm hearing Cingular's execs are just loving the leak....


Posted by: skidpalace

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoberGuy
I think the 8525 has been delayed by trying to ensure that they release a quality, stable device. Personally, I like the thorough testing they put these through. Hopefully we'll see them soon...

By the way, anyone hearing anything about the PPT? I'm hearing Cingular's execs are just loving the leak....


I reported about 50 pages back the the delay was caused by a Bluetooth A2DP issue. This was further corroborated by another poster within a day or so of my post. I was told a month delay, this was maybe a week ago.
Look for it middle of Nov.
Cingy is holding off to ensure the quality of the product. Good for them. Good for us.


Posted by: kenny6774

I've gotten just about tired of waiting for this phone. Frankly, I'm not very happy with Cingular and all of their network problems. The only reason I've stayed this long is because I've been waiting for this phone and wasn't really sure how long it would take for Verizon to come out with a compatible device. The fact of the matter is I'm convinced VZ is better, this EV-DO network is more widely accessible than Cingys HSDPA....and with the relative short time required to implement Rev A. VZ will be back in the lead in terms of data speed. My question is should I buy the XV6700 now to tide me over while waiting for the Libra or Titan to launch Q1'07 on Verizon. I might just buy it now to test it how and see in my Slingplayer runs on it for my trip tommorow and take it back.


Posted by: URPREY

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny6774
I've gotten just about tired of waiting for this phone. Frankly, I'm not very happy with Cingular and all of their network problems. The only reason I've stayed this long is because I've been waiting for this phone and wasn't really sure how long it would take for Verizon to come out with a compatible device. The fact of the matter is I'm convinced VZ is better, this EV-DO network is more widely accessible than Cingys HSDPA....and with the relative short time required to implement Rev A. VZ will be back in the lead in terms of data speed. My question is should I buy the XV6700 now to tide me over while waiting for the Libra or Titan to launch Q1'07 on Verizon. I might just buy it now to test it how and see in my Slingplayer runs on it for my trip tommorow and take it back.


I'm currently a Sprint customer (of 9 years) who is anxiously awaiting this phone so I can switch to Cingular. Unfortunately I do not see any advantage for Sprint with EVDO, since I regularly only get 200-300kbps speeds. Sprint's customer service is HORRIBLE, and I can't wait to finally ditch them.

All of you who are complaining that Cingular is taking so long to release this phone, keep in mind the flexibility you have with a GSM provider. With CDMA, you're completely at the mercy of the provider to release phones. Sprint hasn't released a new PDA phone in almost a year (unless you count the i830, but I don't ) With sim cards you can use any phone you like as long as you're willing to pay for it.


Posted by: SoberGuy

I can understand not liking the time to release phones on Cingular. However, it's not like Cingular said the device would be out already. Now, if you want to talk about their lack of communication and pre-release advertising, that's another thread. But it's not like they made a promise to deliver the phone by a certain date and failed. There's also another forum for rants about wireless carriers and manufacturers. Have fun over there.

I personally like the fact that Cingular puts devices through thorough testing prior to release.


Posted by: bobbypilsner

My Premiere site is down again. Who knows, maybe this time it means something.

Anyone else notice that the Cingular websites (Premiere and Consumer) have been really slow and not functioning well. I am imagining the IT department over there just being a mess after a failed weekend "go live".

(not fun...I've been there before )


Posted by: tco

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbypilsner
My Premiere site is down again. Who knows, maybe this time it means something.

Anyone else notice that the Cingular websites (Premiere and Consumer) have been really slow and not functioning well. I am imagining the IT department over there just being a mess after a failed weekend "go live".

(not fun...I've been there before )


I noticed it was slow last week on Monday.

Monday's are ususally busy days, but since they did the site redesign, I have noticed to be even slower


Posted by: txschafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by tco
I noticed it was slow last week on Monday.

Monday's are ususally busy days, but since they did the site redesign, I have noticed to be even slower



Probably all the traffic is on the Sprint and Verizon sites buying phones.


Posted by: txschafers

Actually I just got right into our premier site and it looks exactly the same as it has for the last month or so...no 750 or 8525.


Posted by: spartanrob

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
Actually I just got right into our premier site and it looks exactly the same as it has for the last month or so...no 750 or 8525.


Same here


Posted by: bobbypilsner

My company has two Premiere sites, one for Corporate discounts and one for Personal discounts.

I just tried again...

Personal site looks like it has the past week...no new devices.

Get this...the Corporate site (which was having problems) now allows me to login and when I go to view the phones there are no devices right now! There is a new pull down option that lists "2 year contract pricing" or "1 year contract pricing".

When I tried to select the 2 year it just went back to the maintenance screen.

This is so frustrating!


Posted by: metalsiren

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
Actually I just got right into our premier site and it looks exactly the same as it has for the last month or so...no 750 or 8525.


just remember that the 8525 at least should be out in Nov... the 750 has a slim chance in hell being out this year...

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2006...gular-treo-750/


Posted by: kenny6774

OK Cingular....I've had enough of you delaying my phone...if this phone isn't released by the end of the week I'm taking some of your employees hostage and shooting (with water guns) one for each business day past Friday that the phone isn't released.


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
Your right.. I forgot that there was a 6800 on the horizon but I have not been able to spot it with the keys on front like you described above.. Are you talking about the 5800? Not sure.. but anyway you are right that Cingular has fallen months behind when it comes to the devices in the past and I dont even want to talk about the data networks.. Lets just hope that once HSDPA blankets the US, Cingular will continue to upgrade to those incredible speeds HSDPA is capable of.

To be honest I'm not a fan of the cdma version devices that Verizon and Sprint pick up to compete with the GSM carriers. I know the 6700 looks far supirior on paper but when using the device I'm thoroughly unimpressed.. Just me though..

HSDPA + Cingular's GSM Network + 8525 = ?

EVDO Rev A + Verizon's CDMA Network + XV6800 = ?

Looks like Cingular has bridged the gap that was definitely there last year, IMHO..



"UTStarcom has revealed two devices from HTC that are aimed at U.S. CDMA carriers. Details are slowly emerging, however PCS Intel can independently confirm both devices have been finalized and are in-testing at both Verizon Wireless and Sprint.

Actually my mistake, its the 5800 that has the slide out keyboard and number pad on the front not the 6800 which looks just like the tytn. 5800 with slide out keyboard and number pad on front seems like a great design but i think it is smartphone and many ppl are wondering why they didnt' use that format for the 6800 or other ppc phone as that is myself and others would want.


"The PPC-6800 (or XV6800 as Verizon will likely brand the device) is the CDMA counterpart to HTC's Hermes TyTN (aka Cingular 8525 in the United States). With EV-DO Rev A, and an improved camera, the PPC-6800 includes a refined design that removes many complaints from the PPC-6700. The keypad and controls are similar to the PPC-6700's predecesor, the PPC-6600. "

http://www.pcsintel.com/content/view/1511/35/

Do you think that the 6800 will have WM5SE? I heard that will be rolling out Q1 2007 followed by WM6 very late in 2007.

point being cing better push out their 3g data ppc phone soon as sprint and vzw already had one for a year now and are ready to release new ones with 3.5g evdo rev a

Wednesday, 25 October 2006
Sprint today launched the first city with EV-DO Revision A. San Diego, CA is the first city in America to receive the new network. With upload speeds reaching 1.8 mbps, and downlink speeds spiking at 3.1 mbps, EV-DO Rev A promises to usher in new applications for EV-DO technology.

Specifically, Sprint has plans to tap EV-DO Rev A to deploy live Video Calling, as well as QChat, Sprint's future PTT platform which will be used to phase out Nextel Walkie Talkie (formerly Direct Connect).

Sprint has plans to launch in 15 other cities by the end of 2006, with the rest of the existing EV-DO footprint to be updated next year.


Posted by: Themajesticking

At this point I'm not even paying attention to release dates. I'm just visiting this thread to see if the phone has popped up on premier/personal. Or just to laugh at all these people acting like this thread is "so serious".


Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoberGuy
I can understand not liking the time to release phones on Cingular. However, it's not like Cingular said the device would be out already. Now, if you want to talk about their lack of communication and pre-release advertising, that's another thread. But it's not like they made a promise to deliver the phone by a certain date and failed. There's also another forum for rants about wireless carriers and manufacturers. Have fun over there.

I personally like the fact that Cingular puts devices through thorough testing prior to release.


but internal documents showing the slated release date for all upcoming cing phones was Oct. 5th for the 8525.

yes they didnt' really release it to the public and i guess partly for this reason that they have yet to ever release a phone on time let alone early but still.

Oct. 5th was the slated release date. about to be a full month late and dont forget the 8125 that ppl were waiting for this time last year as sprint and vzw already had their version. cing ppl that were still with cing at that point or hadnt' already imported a version had to wait till Feb. for the 8125 a ppc phone that was inferior to ones released in sept and oct. on other carriers.

not good. while its not feb yet. the longer they delay this, the more this becomes like last year and the more customers they lose.

i knew of many ppl last year this time including myself that just got a 3g apache on sprint or vzw last year this time and earlier instead of waiting for inferior 2g cing version. those that stuck with cing got import version (like imate kjam and qtek) by the time they released it in feb. only like 5 ppl that were actually waiting and were still with cing got it.

sure they maybe got a couple sales of ppl who just happen to be looking for new phone then and feb worked out or ones dumb enough to get it in recent months before 8525 but mostly they lost a lot of customes and lost a lot of sales and sales of the 8125 were no wehre near t hat of of the ppc and xv 6700

hopefully they learned their lesson and get this out soon as they still have a chance now before cdma carries release the 6800


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by metalsiren
just remember that the 8525 at least should be out in Nov... the 750 has a slim chance in hell being out this year... http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2006...gular-treo-750/
I know. I was going to get the Treo istead, but the way it's going it looks like I'll end up getting both. The 8525 for a couple of months until the Treo is here. Heck, maybe by then I'll grow to like the 8525 and not even want the Treo
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny6774
OK Cingular....I've had enough of you delaying my phone...if this phone isn't released by the end of the week I'm taking some of your employees hostage and shooting (with water guns) one for each business day past Friday that the phone isn't released.
Hehehehe It's only a matter of time 'til somemone goes postal!!


Posted by: benfica88

Quote:
Originally Posted by skidpalace
I reported about 50 pages back the the delay was caused by a Bluetooth A2DP issue. This was further corroborated by another poster within a day or so of my post. I was told a month delay, this was maybe a week ago.
Look for it middle of Nov.
Cingy is holding off to ensure the quality of the product. Good for them. Good for us.


True but most people would just rather have the phone and suffer the issue. It's practically impossible to make a phone perfect. What's to say when the phone is released there aren't going to be other issues. I mean the 6700 and even the k-jam have terrible bluetooth issues for example... Both of them drop connection with certain headsets.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
5800 with slide out keyboard and number pad on front seems like a great design but i think it is smartphone and many ppl are wondering why they didnt' use that format for the 6800 or other ppc phone as that is myself and others would want.

Do you think that the 6800 will have WM5SE? I heard that will be rolling out Q1 2007 followed by WM6 very late in 2007.

point being cing better push out their 3g data ppc phone soon as sprint and vzw already had one for a year now and are ready to release new ones with 3.5g evdo rev a

Sprint has plans to launch in 15 other cities by the end of 2006, with the rest of the existing EV-DO footprint to be updated next year.


Agreed.. I remember when images popped up of the 5800 and thinking what a great design and they had to throw us off by using a PPC screenshot on the device and a "Home" and "Back" button on the keypad .. My only concern with the device that if it is a smartphone without a directional nav pad (or nipple) and no touch screen than how in the world will someone navigate the it????

I honestly have no clue as to when the Second Edition (Crossbow?) will be hitting devices but from what I have been reading it should be Q1 07.. Just depends.. If these devices are already being preped for release than I would highly doubt you would see it on there, but someone else here may have more info than me.. Not sure..

Agreed about the 3G, and the fact that Verizon already has EVDO rolled out may be their biggest advantage at the moment. They can, rather quickly, update the whole country with rev a.. I heard it should be complete in (EDIT: Q3) 2007..


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by benfica88
True but most people would just rather have the phone and suffer the issue. It's practically impossible to make a phone perfect. What's to say when the phone is released there aren't going to be other issues. I mean the 6700 and even the k-jam have terrible bluetooth issues for example... Both of them drop connection with certain headsets.



I think the fact is that if there is a know issue they have to fix it.. That would be beyond irresponsible to release a device knowing that it has an issue.. You have to think about all the people who, unlike most of us, know next to nothing about these devices.. They try to get their new shiny bluetooth earpieces working and then poof.. connection lost.. Now you have thousands of calls for refurbs and irate customers demanding new devices which will all have to fixed at some point.. .. This wait sucks, but you have to think that it will be worth it..

@Quatre

I waited out the 8125, but I dont remember having a realistic release date until November.. So you have to figure we waited for about 4 months before we actually had it in our hands.. I'm just glad I was able to get the 2125 to tide me over because waiting that long with the 220 would have been a nightmare..


Posted by: TheCybologist

Verizon SUCKS......Number one reason they SUCK.....THEY CRIPPLE THEIR HARDWARE. It is a PDA it has bluetooth. I should be able to sync to my MacBookPro with out a wire in the field. Can't sync Address book via bluetooth. No Bluetooth Modem.....Should i go ON.


Posted by: richy240

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCybologist
Verizon SUCKS......Number one reason they SUCK.....THEY CRIPPLE THEIR HARDWARE. It is a PDA it has bluetooth. I should be able to sync to my MacBookPro with out a wire in the field. Can't sync Address book via bluetooth. No Bluetooth Modem.....Should i go ON.

I agree. Verizon sucks.


Posted by: berdinkerdickle

Yea, Me Too!

Anyone Else?


Posted by: irockash

Quote:
Originally Posted by richy240
I agree. Verizon sucks.


Haha... i bet they say "Cingular sucks" in the Verizon forum.

Does anybody know if this phone will be cosmetically similar to the 8125?


Posted by: Jakaroe808

What do you mean by cosmetically similar? The 8525 is a Hermes 100 like the Orange SPV M3100 or O2 Trion.. The Hermes Wiki over at XDA-Dev has a good breakdown of all the variants..


Posted by: riDuh7

I know for sure Verizon sux cuz I've had Verizon service for 3 years.

Cripple, cripple, and cripple. There is no end to the crippling of their devices from Verizon. They never stop "working" for us.


Posted by: XninjaR

I really hate myself for doing this. I was driving home from work tonight and I knew there is a Cingular store on the way back home. I tried really hard, I really did, I tried to not go in and ask about this stupid phone.

Me: WHEN IS THIS STUPID 8525 COMMING OUT!!!!
Cingular girl: the STUPID 8125? I am not sure we are releasing a STUPID phone
Me: I apologies, IM the stupid one, but this phone is making me all different kinds of crazy, and I've been waiting for what seems forever for this STUPID PHONE.
Cingular girl: (she laughs) I don’t know when exactly it’s going to be coming out, but I did hear something that it might be tomorrow.
Me: *sigh* really? ..... Do you have one in the back, because if you do, I might kill you and run away with that phone, I kid... I kid...
Cingular girl: (she laughs again) how about this, give me your # and ill call you when it comes out, I promise, you'll be the first I tell.
Me: THANK YOU, I appreciate it, you have no idea. Who’s the manager here?
Cingular girl: ummm that would be the cute brunette standing here.
Me: Fantastic.
Cingular girl: hopefully ill call you tomorrow, so you can get some sleep.
Me: looking forward to your call

I might have elaborated on this conversation, but most of the facts are true. She did say that they probably are getting a shipment tomorrow, that there are rumors on the Cingular internal material that it is to drop tomorrow. I really hate myself for posting this; I hate the fools who constantly post, "I heard my boss say or my grandmothers dog's sister told me that the phone will release NOW". But I was hoping this would give some people hope for tomorrow, because lately all this pessimistic talk about December releases is making me want to shoot myself.


Posted by: RF9

Dude, XninjaR. Don't hate yourself. Every little bit helps... rumors, hearsay, and all. I rather enjoy it. It's better than the non-news that gets posted on here (by myself included.) Thanks for the post... even if it turns out that she's totally wrong.


Posted by: IMSReady

Quote:
Originally Posted by XninjaR
I really hate myself for doing this. I was driving home from work tonight and I knew there is a Cingular store on the way back home. I tried really hard, I really did, I tried to not go in and ask about this stupid phone.

Me: WHEN IS THIS STUPID 8525 COMMING OUT!!!!
Cingular girl: the STUPID 8125? I am not sure we are releasing a STUPID phone
Me: I apologies, IM the stupid one, but this phone is making me all different kinds of crazy, and I've been waiting for what seems forever for this STUPID PHONE.
Cingular girl: (she laughs) I don’t know when exactly it’s going to be coming out, but I did hear something that it might be tomorrow.
Me: *sigh* really? ..... Do you have one in the back, because if you do, I might kill you and run away with that phone, I kid... I kid...
Cingular girl: (she laughs again) how about this, give me your # and ill call you when it comes out, I promise, you'll be the first I tell.
Me: THANK YOU, I appreciate it, you have no idea. Who’s the manager here?
Cingular girl: ummm that would be the cute brunette standing here.
Me: Fantastic.
Cingular girl: hopefully ill call you tomorrow, so you can get some sleep.
Me: looking forward to your call

I might have elaborated on this conversation, but most of the facts are true. She did say that they probably are getting a shipment tomorrow, that there are rumors on the Cingular internal material that it is to drop tomorrow. I really hate myself for posting this; I hate the fools who constantly post, "I heard my boss say or my grandmothers dog's sister told me that the phone will release NOW". But I was hoping this would give some people hope for tomorrow, because lately all this pessimistic talk about December releases is making me want to shoot myself.



Very likely she was refering to the iPAQ 6925, which is indeed scheduled to "come out" tomorrow.


Posted by: mbn

If Cingular Girl was cute, that phone call will be a treat either way.

Here's to tomorrow...


Posted by: Naveen

i dont really care what comes out tomorrow as long as something comes out because cingular phones are getting pretty outdated?!? you should have taken a picture of the cute cingular girl for all of us!


Posted by: irockash