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Cingular/HTC 8525 / HSDPA (APPROVED)

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Posted by: hitechy

Quote:
Originally Posted by driven01
Of course we have the 8125. What do they have? The 6700? With the bug nubby antenna? :-)



Along with a nubby antenna it also has high speed data and double the processor speed .


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Is the Q the first Smartphone ever offered by Verizon?


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by hitechy
Along with a nubby antenna it also has high speed data and double the processor speed .

I agree with you, I've seen it...Bell Mobility (Canada) has it and so does Sprint. Anyone who is gonna talk bad about the antenna knows nothing of that 416mhz processor hiding under the hood of that 6700. They must think the rinki-dink 200mhz processor in the 8125 is ok.

Even my iPaq WM 2k3 (not even 2nd edition) has a higher processor speed than the Cingular 8125.

How Cingular manged to trick so many people into buying that POC is beyond me.

I will not settle for less than 400mhz nor UMTS.


Posted by: driven01

Yeah, but remember that the 8125 has a dual core processor vs. the single core in the 6700. Has anyone noticed that the screen rotation is MUCH faster on the 8125? For daily use ... they feel about equal.

The data speed is nice on the 6700 .. absolutely. At least until you fly to Europe. (Where my 8125 still works!) :-)


Posted by: JeffreyCentex

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
Is the Q the first Smartphone ever offered by Verizon?


Nope.. Samsung i600...


Posted by: DonaldMick

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
verizon has an exclusive on them for 60 days... verizon throws out more money then any other company ive seen, they got every phone so quickly and all the cool ones too, i would love to switch to verizon, but there data prices are ridiculous


So let me get this straight, as I didn't believe it the first time.

A phone company paid good money for a memory card, that anyone in that target market is going to end up buying OEM or on Ebay...

What the rippling ****?


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffreyCentex
Nope.. Samsung i600...


Right...Right...Right..... I would have said that in its self would have put Verizon behind the curve, but still Cingular has had the MPx200, MPx220, SMT5600, and 2125 with the Star Trek on the horizon..


Posted by: KlamshellKing

anyone have anysort of a release date or price on this phone yet????


Posted by: Jakaroe808

QWERTY

-Dopod 838 Pro-


Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
QWERTY

-Dopod 838 Pro-


whats this for?


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
whats this for?

What are you talking about? That is the Dopod version of the device.


Posted by: KlamshellKing

dopod 838 is the 8125... the picture is the dopod hermes though


Posted by: mindflayer

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
im so impatient im considering getting a dell axim and an lgcu500... i seriously dont htink i can wait any longer


I have been thinking of doing the same. My Treo 650's sound quality has been deteriorating quickly as of late.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
dopod 838 is the 8125... the picture is the dopod hermes though


838 = Wizard 200
838 Pro = Hermes 100

Dopod does this.. They add a "Pro" to the name to signify the successor. Just like the 818 and 818 Pro. A bit odd but I guess it works for them..

This is the first time I had seen the HERM100 with QWERTY Keys..


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Oppp... The Herm100 just popped up on the Orange's "Coming Soon page "

It is happening..
Cingular, why do you not have a coming soon page?


Posted by: soburrly

Sorry if this has been covered, I searched and couldn't find an answer. What plan are people using with this device that supports HSDPA? Do I really need the $40/month data plan on top of my voice plan to use this device as a modem?

Data Connect Unlimited w/Xpress Mail $39.99


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by soburrly
Sorry if this has been covered, I searched and couldn't find an answer. What plan are people using with this device that supports HSDPA? Do I really need the $40/month data plan on top of my voice plan to use this device as a modem?

Data Connect Unlimited w/Xpress Mail $39.99


HSDPA isn't plan specific. HSDPA is a technology overlay to UMTS that allows Higher Speeds. So, regardless of your data plan if HSDPA is avail you'll get it if not you'll get Edge.


Posted by: xultar

Hey can someone help me...

This thing won't be released until 3G rolls out. When is the new Nat'l 3G rollout?


Posted by: KlamshellKing

are you sure it wont release before then? i think it may be released in october or november... well see when the startrek releases and when the 6915 releases to see how cingular is doing with testing smartphones


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
Oppp... The Herm100 just popped up on the Orange's "Coming Soon page "

It is happening..
Cingular, why do you not have a coming soon page?


I would guess Cingular does not have a coming soon page because some phone that are intended to be sold never make it through lab and field testing and are killed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
are you sure it wont release before then? i think it may be released in october or november... well see when the startrek releases and when the 6915 releases to see how cingular is doing with testing smartphones


I don't know why Cingular would wait to release the device if it was ready, but who knows, maybe they would. October - November sounds like a possibility to me though. As far as the Star Treck and the 6925, I would expect to see the Star Treck sooner for sure. It a nice phone.


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
are you sure it wont release before then? i think it may be released in october or november... well see when the startrek releases and when the 6915 releases to see how cingular is doing with testing smartphones


Well didn't they just pull the 3g phones from the market due to the late rollout of 3g?
The Hermes is 3G.
So why would they release another 3g handset prior to the rollout of 3g?

They'd need a flagship phone to go with the rollout. I'm sure the Hermes is the one...I just wanna know when. I'm trying to hold on. I said I'd never buy another Edge phone.


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by xultar
Well didn't they just pull the 3g phones from the market due to the late rollout of 3g?


I wasn't aware of this, the pulling of 3G phones from being sold, but if it is the case you are just speculating on the reason why. Correct? At last check there were only 2 phones available for 3G the ZX10 and the CU500. I can think of a few reasons that they might not be available right now. If I go to the Cingular website though, both are available for purchase online to me. Could you provide more info on them being pulled?


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by helpermonkey
I wasn't aware of this, the pulling of 3G phones from being sold, but if it is the case you are just speculating on the reason why. Correct? At last check there were only 2 phones available for 3G the ZX10 and the CU500. I can think of a few reasons that they might not be available right now. If I go to the Cingular website though, both are available for purchase online to me. Could you provide more info on them being pulled?

Do you have 3g in your area? If so maybe that is why the phones are still avail. I know they stopped selling 3g phones in areas where 3g was coming soon because things were moving slower than expected on turning on UMTS.

Date Posted: Jun 9, 2006, 2:18 PM
Source: Phone Scoop

Cingular has notified its national resellers that it will reverse its current policy of allowing 3G (UMTS) phones to be sold in 2G (EDGE) areas. Both of Cingular's UMTS phones allow users to access Cingular Video and other 3G services using the EDGE network when the 3G network is not available. Users in many areas have been disappointed by the performance of video over EDGE, which reportedly hasn't provided much of a boost over GPRS speeds in many regions. Cingular is asking all national resellers to return their stock of 3G handsets until it launches 3G nationwide a second time in October. At that time Cingular should have 3G in significantly more metro areas. Cingular is also allowing any customer who already purchased a 3G phone to return their handset until June 30th.

http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1767


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by xultar
Do you have 3g in your area? If so maybe that is why the phones are still avail. I know they stopped selling 3g phones in areas where 3g was coming soon because things were moving slower than expected on turning on UMTS.

Date Posted: Jun 9, 2006, 2:18 PM
Source: Phone Scoop

Cingular has notified its national resellers that it will reverse its current policy of allowing 3G (UMTS) phones to be sold in 2G (EDGE) areas. Both of Cingular's UMTS phones allow users to access Cingular Video and other 3G services using the EDGE network when the 3G network is not available. Users in many areas have been disappointed by the performance of video over EDGE, which reportedly hasn't provided much of a boost over GPRS speeds in many regions. Cingular is asking all national resellers to return their stock of 3G handsets until it launches 3G nationwide a second time in October. At that time Cingular should have 3G in significantly more metro areas. Cingular is also allowing any customer who already purchased a 3G phone to return their handset until June 30th.

http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1767


The reason they pulled the phones in non-3G areas, as I understand it, is not because things are going slower than expected, but because too many people were using the new designed for 3G services on 2G and not happy with the results (as you point out). This is not really surprising or the features would have already been available on 2G. Selling the 3G phones WITH 3G service capabilities was probably not a good idea to begin with. The phones, I think, could have reasonably been sold themselves in 2G only areas if the 3G services were not part of the phone software.


Posted by: Sleuth255

Quote:
Originally Posted by hitechy
Along with a nubby antenna it also has high speed data and double the processor speed .


...and half the battery life....


Posted by: Sleuth255

seriously though. Cingular will let you trade your 2G SIM for a 3G SIM today. UMTS is in many major met. areas like Chicago already. I have a TyTN on order and it will be in my hands Wednesday. Right now, Verizon has the best deal on 2GB microSD: $99 US. With tax that's $105ish to walk out the door with one....


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
seriously though. Cingular will let you trade your 2G SIM for a 3G SIM today. UMTS is in many major met. areas like Chicago already. I have a TyTN on order and it will be in my hands Wednesday. Right now, Verizon has the best deal on 2GB microSD: $99 US. With tax that's $105ish to walk out the door with one....

Where can I get new 3g coverage maps. I have a 3g card and haven't managed to get 3g service in Chicago yet.


Posted by: puckchump

I had 3g service in chicago last weekend


Posted by: Sleuth255

It's also in the Houston area. Cingluar isn't releasing coverage maps since 3G isn't officially available yet.


Posted by: Isriam

another wrong answer. sleuth don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about.


Posted by: tassypoo

Is it going to have the PTT feature?


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by tassypoo
Is it going to have the PTT feature?


Where did you hear that?


Posted by: Argon4k

I apologize if this has already been discussed but what kind of prices are we looking at (rough prices will work since I'm sure no one has actual prices) for the Hermes and 3125 when they are released from Cingular (including new 2 year subscription prices)? I'm not sure if I should go ahead and switch to Cingular now from Verizon and get the 8125 and upgrade or if I should wait for the Hermes to be released.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I'm not sure if everyone had seen these yet but I just thought I would throw out a few links from the old HSDPA coverage thread.

Official Cingular Links:
PDF Maps
http://cingular.com/business/3G_cov_maps_pop
Street Level Map Tool
http://onlinecare.cingular.com/cove...requestid=28479

Other HSDPA Links:
Evolving List of North American Markets
http://www.evdoforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1841
The old thread
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...49&page=1&pp=15


Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
YAY for UMTS/HSDPA in Florida! its only a matter of time before it comes to Tampa!, does anyone have any pictures of UMTS cell arrays they could post, I like to know what they look like. Thanks

This is most likely an array (GSM at least... UMTS will most likely be on it when LA goes live - the panels are new)

http://members.dslextreme.com/users...210-closeup.JPG (bottom panels)
http://members.dslextreme.com/users...ssion-close.JPG
http://members.dslextreme.com/users...k/newcells3.JPG


Does anyone know of a HSDPA tower near them? Maybe get some pics of the panels to share?


Posted by: Sleuth255

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isriam
another wrong answer. sleuth don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about.


I'm happy to see you prove me wrong on anything I've said. Nevertheless, your rhetoric doesn't change the fact that there are TyTn owners in the Houston and Chicago areas who are using 3G on Cingular. Here's a tip: don't jump to conclusions. Obviously the Chicago coverage paradox has a simple answer. Can you guess what it is? (hint, how can something be up and down at the same time?).

I apologize if I was dinged for a "wrong answer" based on my impression that 3G wasn't official yet. I based this on a conversation last Friday with my Cingular Rep. who also told me a branded version of the TyTn was on their just released device roadmap for 3-4Q06 introduction. I have not been able to determine it the Cingular device will include the video phone camera or not.

Perhaps, like the Chicago Coverage paradox, there is a reason why "no official release" and "official 3G maps" are both correct here. I can think of several reasons myself but don't want to speculate for fear of being dinged for yet another "incorrect answer"....


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
I apologize if I was dinged for a "wrong answer" based on my impression that 3G wasn't official yet. I based this on a conversation last Friday with my Cingular Rep. who also told me a branded version of the TyTn was on their just released device roadmap for 3-4Q06 introduction. I have not been able to determine it the Cingular device will include the video phone camera or not.


Please see .7's post on the topic of the video calling and 2nd camera and you will have your answer.


Posted by: RF9

I was reading a post on TreoCentral.com forums where a guy just bought a TyTn. In general I think it works as expected (very fast data, etc.) That's good news.
However he complains that the d-pad (or 5-way) control is badly designed and difficult to use. He also says the ear piece volume is not very loud (not loud enough for noisy environments.)
Here's to hoping the Cingular branded one won't have these problems, if in fact these complaints are as he described. My Treo 650 has barely adequate ear piece volume and I'm looking to improve that with next device.
(Crossing fingers)

Here is the link to that thread: http://discussion.treocentral.com/s...ad.php?t=121233


Posted by: Sleuth255

@helpermonkey:

Tks for the info. Found it on pg. 7 of this thread. My rep listed specs of this unnamed device and they didn't include the second camera but the Samsung processor and jog wheel made it a dead giveaway. This would make sense too as Cingular hasn't released any plans to support video calling. I'll be working on third party solutions to get the vid camera operational when my TyTN arrives.


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by puckchump
I had 3g service in chicago last weekend

I'll give it a try. I'll be in Chicago on Wednesday. Thanks


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
I'm not sure if everyone had seen these yet but I just thought I would throw out a few links from the old HSDPA coverage thread.

Official Cingular Links:
PDF Maps
http://cingular.com/business/3G_cov_maps_pop
Street Level Map Tool
http://onlinecare.cingular.com/cove...requestid=28479

Other HSDPA Links:
Evolving List of North American Markets
http://www.evdoforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1841
The old thread
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...49&page=1&pp=15




Does anyone know of a HSDPA tower near them? Maybe get some pics of the panels to share?

I'll check when I get home to ATL later in the week. If I see something interesting I'll post pix.


Posted by: Sleuth255

Well, I just walked out the door with a new 2GB microSD for $105.09 US from my local Verizon store. All files are now transferred from my 8125 miniSD. On Wednesday I have my TyTN!

I've already uncovered a registry fix for an A2DP breakup issue people are reporting with Jabra BT620 headsets (whew, it could've been a show stopper too):

HKLM/Software/Microsoft/A2DP/Settings/UseJointStereo value. Change from 1 to 0.


Posted by: KlamshellKing

how much did you get the tytn for??


Posted by: xultar

Sleuth...Check this out from MS Mobiles...
Some HTC Hermes ( HTC TyTN ) phones have teething problems !
August 07, 2006 [Pocket PC phone]
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5452.html
Apparently some selected models of HTC TyTN have problems... so if you are pondering to buy one of those Pocket PC phones, you must read it:

Apparently there are problems with screen alignment:

Screen alignment is a big problem here in Taiwan, since HTC with CHT (Chung Hwa Telecom) launched the Dopod CHT 9000 at the beginning of July. After almost one month, HTC and CHT eventually admitted that there is an issue on the touch screen alignment, and everyone can change to a new one in a month of your purchasing, if you got this problem.

HTC and CHT started to release a new version we called "little green spot" version at the end of July. Look at the picture and you'll know what I mean.

This problem is probably nothing to do with "USP to PC", micro SD card, software, keyboard, WM5, etc. It is just as simple as a hardware problem of the right side "rubber gasket" between the frame and touch screen, which is a little bit thicker and create extra pressure on the screen then make it crazy. And of course the temperature of the battery during charging would make it worse (you know the physics). HTC never gives their own story. This is what I heard from some tech guys.

[...]

And we also found devices with S/N after HT630XXXXX.... would be better. Since we believe they are the "real new ones", and S/N before that, just "rework" ones. The firs bunch of "guinea pigs" in Taiwan got S/N HT624 & HT625, which might have serious alignment problem. Then HTC started to release the "little green spot" version, which has S/N HT630, for changing. As far as I know there is still no complaint from HT630 on this issue.

To learn more click here - if you are planning to purchase HTC Hermes we recommend you to read posts there carefully.

Please note: people are also complaining about other problems with HTC TyTN, including problems with establishing UMTS connections and also problems with achieving real HSDPA transfer speeds (up to 1.8 megabit/second theoretically, although practically 1.6 megabit/second is achievable) where people managed to achieve only 400 kbps (instead of expected 1.6 megabit/s)... Since HTC Hermes ( HTC TyTN is a HTC branded version of this phone) is a very sophisticated phone, including latest technologies like dual band UMTS and HSDPA (fast version of UMTS with faster download speeds), we recommend you to purchase this phone rather through your mobile operator (wireless carrier) - i.e. operator, that also provides SIM card and network coverage - so that your phone will be fine tuned to the network and properly tested! If you purchase HTC Hermes from an online distributor or from another operator that you use, the likelihood that you will have UMTS and HSDPA problems is much higher...

So, Sleuth
If you have any issues please report back... If you don't have issues report that too. I'm dying for a TyTN!!!

I didn't go with the 8125 because I wanted to do 3g. I'm really interested in 3g speeds on this thing.

I'll be looking for your reports. I'm totally DROOLING so give me all the details!


Posted by: tassypoo

helpermonkey,

I remember reading somewhere in the rumor mill: HSPDA WM5 device roadmap that this device may have PTT.


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by xultar
Please note: people are also complaining about other problems with HTC TyTN, including problems with establishing UMTS connections and also problems with achieving real HSDPA transfer speeds (up to 1.8 megabit/second theoretically, although practically 1.6 megabit/second is achievable) where people managed to achieve only 400 kbps (instead of expected 1.6 megabit/s)...


Who expected to see speeds of 1.6mbps on this device? I know that 1.8 mb HSDPA is the spec, but I have never seen anyone claim it would go 1.6 in the field. I think 1.2 was what I have heard for typical max. downlink speed (typical is going ot be lower for sure). You are going to need a 3.6 HSDPA device to go faster I think. This phone will do the same speeds as any of the other 1.8 HSDPA devices out there (or at least the laptop cards anyway, not sure on the speads of the phones yet).


Posted by: RF9

I don't think dowload speed on the TyTn is a problem. Besides, no one should ever EXPECT speeds of 1.xMbps.

This person reports "Internet speed is impressive. It's clearly got HSPDA support on top of UMTS. I get between 700 and 900 kbit/sec."
His complaint is with the d-pad on the front and low ear piece volume.
http://discussion.treocentral.com/s...ad.php?t=121233

The problems people are having are more likely Cingular's network issues (growing pains.)


Posted by: Sleuth255

This just in xultar:

Interestingly, posters over at XDA developers seem to be demonstrating that the "serial number HT630xxx and > resolves digitizer problems" theory doesn't seem to fly on the TyTn. Maybe a Dopod specific issue? Here's a link to the relevant info:
TyTN digitizer issues thread Obviously this needs to be taken with a grain of salt as do all "rampant hardware issues".

I'm also aware of TCPMP and audio issues the latter of which are corrected by going to the latest Dopod English firmware. There's an RUU updater on XDA for this.

Soooo... I'm just hoping I don't get one with a flaky digitizer. That'll be hardware. The rest can be tweaked much like the HTC Wizard was.

I'll be pulling some pretty tough testing on this device since I have all the toys for my 8125 currently (bt keyboard, car handsfree, A2DP headset, 802.11G at home). 3G coverage isn't expected in my area for 30-60 days though so I'll be doing that testing when I'm in the Chicago area.


Posted by: agent2099

I would like some others' opinions on this.

Would it be crazy to get this phone if you don't also sign up for a data plan?

I use my smartphones to type in notes, sync contacts and calendar information in Outlook, and to play mp3s and games. Would a Hermes be overkill for this?


Posted by: Sleuth255

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
how much did you get the tytn for??


$750 US shipped. The ebay vendor has more here.


Posted by: Eric5273

Quote:
Originally Posted by agent2099
I would like some others' opinions on this.

Would it be crazy to get this phone if you don't also sign up for a data plan?

I use my smartphones to type in notes, sync contacts and calendar information in Outlook, and to play mp3s and games. Would a Hermes be overkill for this?


Might as well just get the 8125 then. I think the whole advantage of the Hermes is the 3g connectivity. That is the only real major difference.


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by agent2099
I would like some others' opinions on this.

Would it be crazy to get this phone if you don't also sign up for a data plan?

I use my smartphones to type in notes, sync contacts and calendar information in Outlook, and to play mp3s and games. Would a Hermes be overkill for this?

Not crazy and I don't think it's overkill, personally.

To not use a PDA phone like this with data is to not use 1/2 of its very functionality which would be web, email, and streaming audio/video.
That being said it's not a waste and not necessarily overkill. Just having your PDA integrated with your phone is reason enough to appreciate one, as well as MP3, photos, etc. You still get to use the other features that you mentioned. Also, since it has WiFi, you can still use the data features to a limited extent where you have it (if you want to.)

However, if you're not using the data, it's not really necessary to wait for the Hermes or pay a premium for the TyTn unless cost is no object to you or you don't mind waiting.
The 8125 is available right now and is almost the same device with 2G instead of 3G data. It'll also cost you less (potentially.)
There are differences other than phone/data though, such as the camera, bluetooth 2.0, and several other minor upgrades. Are those things worth the added cost? Or perhaps you just want the latest in case you decide to later use the data.
Those are things to consider.


Posted by: agent2099

Thanks for the input. I didn't know the Hermes had Wifi. If I was able to access hotspots with this phone, then that would definitely be something I'm interested in.


Posted by: agent2099

You know I just checked Cingular's Smartphone data plans and it's only $9.99/month for 5mb. Now I don't know if that would be sufficient for me but I had no idea it was that affordable.

For some reason I had the perception that data plans started at $40/month; I guess some of that was fueled by the fact I knew Verizon was charging a minimum of $80/month for the Q.


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by agent2099
You know I just checked Cingular's Smartphone data plans and it's only $9.99/month for 5mb. Now I don't know if that would be sufficient for me but I had no idea it was that affordable.

For some reason I had the perception that data plans started at $40/month; I guess some of that was fueled by the fact I knew Verizon was charging a minimum of $80/month for the Q.

The 8125 has 802.11b Wifi. The hermes has 802.11b/g wifi.
You can get some info comparing the 8125 and Hermes at:
http://www.pdadb.net/
Just Compare the "Cingular 8125 (HTC Wizard 110)" with the "HTC TyTN (HTC Hermes 200)"

The unlimited data plan for a PDA is $40/month. Most people don't even consider the limited data plans because 5MB is NOTHING, expecially with 3G speeds. And data overages are rediculous.

I'm going to get flamed for this....but...
You can use the $20 Media Max 200 (with unlimited Media Net data) on the Hermes as well instead of the $40 PDA unlimited data plan.
The both get you the exact same internet access, you're just not supposed to buy the Media Max/Media net plans for use with a PDA. Lots of people do it though with no problem. You might need to be a tad creative or subtle to do this, but it can be done.


Posted by: Argon4k

Quote:
Originally Posted by agent2099
For some reason I had the perception that data plans started at $40/month; I guess some of that was fueled by the fact I knew Verizon was charging a minimum of $80/month for the Q.

I'm currently on Verizon and I have the Q and I'm not being charged $80/month. I pay $44.99/month for the unlimited data plan.


Posted by: RF9

Change of subject....
What's up with that D-Pad? It looks impossible to use.


Posted by: agent2099

Quote:
Originally Posted by Argon4k
I'm currently on Verizon and I have the Q and I'm not being charged $80/month. I pay $44.99/month for the unlimited data plan.


Sorry I was talking about data + service.


Quote:
Originally Posted by taylorh
The 8125 has 802.11b Wifi. The hermes has 802.11b/g wifi.
You can get some info comparing the 8125 and Hermes at:
http://www.pdadb.net/
Just Compare the "Cingular 8125 (HTC Wizard 110)" with the "HTC TyTN (HTC Hermes 200)"

The unlimited data plan for a PDA is $40/month. Most people don't even consider the limited data plans because 5MB is NOTHING, expecially with 3G speeds. And data overages are rediculous.


At Cingular's website they list a PDA unlimited data plan for $40/month and a "Smartphone" unlimted plan for $20/month. Would the Hermes not qualify as a smartphone?


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by agent2099
At Cingular's website they list a PDA unlimited data plan for $40/month and a "Smartphone" unlimted plan for $20/month. Would the Hermes not qualify as a smartphone?

You would think! I mean it only sounds logical, right?

But no, the Hermes is considered a PDA. The Cingular 2125 would be considered a 'Smart Phone' whereas the 8125, Treo, and Hermes are a "PDA." In fact they don't seem to have any way for you to figure out what is classified as a smart phone. It's as if Cingular doesn't want you to understand these things. It is a terribly confusing web site for a wireless carrier.

In any case, it wouldn't stop you from buying the smart phone connect plan for the Hermes the same way you could get the Media max plan. But if you were to ask them they would tell you no.
I think the Smart phone plan is actually Media Net/Media max with a different name. It'll have a different 'rate code' for the billing system, but functionally it's identical.

By the way it says "SmartPhone Connect Unlimited w/Xpress Mail." Just so you know XPress mail is free with any/all data plans.


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by taylorh
Change of subject....
What's up with that D-Pad? It looks impossible to use.


Why does it look impossible to use? It seems fine to me. I admit this phone is not an ergonomic wonder, one handed operation is not really possible, but still it's got a big screen and is the only 3G smartphone close to release I am aware of. For that I will forgive much.


Posted by: datruth99

Quote:
Originally Posted by taylorh
By the way it says "SmartPhone Connect Unlimited w/Xpress Mail." Just so you know XPress mail is free with any/all data plans.


Can you tell me whats XPress Mail?


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
This just in xultar:

Interestingly, posters over at XDA developers seem to be demonstrating that the "serial number HT630xxx and > resolves digitizer problems" theory doesn't seem to fly on the TyTn. Maybe a Dopod specific issue? Here's a link to the relevant info:
TyTN digitizer issues thread Obviously this needs to be taken with a grain of salt as do all "rampant hardware issues".

I'm also aware of TCPMP and audio issues the latter of which are corrected by going to the latest Dopod English firmware. There's an RUU updater on XDA for this.

Soooo... I'm just hoping I don't get one with a flaky digitizer. That'll be hardware. The rest can be tweaked much like the HTC Wizard was.

I'll be pulling some pretty tough testing on this device since I have all the toys for my 8125 currently (bt keyboard, car handsfree, A2DP headset, 802.11G at home). 3G coverage isn't expected in my area for 30-60 days though so I'll be doing that testing when I'm in the Chicago area.



Thanks for the JUICY details!!! I want this device really bad. REALLY REALLY BAD. Cingular needs to release it SOON or I'll DIE!


Posted by: KlamshellKing

yea i know... i dont even know what to do in the mean while, i was going to get an e61 to keep me busy until this comes out so i dont buy the tytn. i hate cingular, why do they take a year and a half to release each phone?!!?!?!?!?!?!


Posted by: 100thMonkey

Mine's on the way...and since I am close to Newark, I already have 3g...


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by datruth99
Can you tell me whats XPress Mail?

It's just the Email program that Cingular provides that works with their servers. Mainly for people with outlook that want push email, but their company doesn't support Exchange push. Xpress mail offers a way around it.
It also works with any email account (yahoo, etc.) but you don't need to use Xpress mail if you have an email program built in to the PDA, which the Hermes has.
http://www.cingular.com/midtolarge/xpressmail for more info.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Well.. The Herm100 is now available over at Orange..

Orange Available devices

And this is the first time I have seen this guy.. Herm100 with a little Funky Flair? I want this one.. Going to T-Mobile Germany. (qwertz keys)



Posted by: hylton

Quote:
Originally Posted by taylorh
Change of subject....
What's up with that D-Pad? It looks impossible to use.


I prefer the D-Pad as a control device over the joystick (and rocker on the SMT5600)...I much prefer the D-pad on my MPx220 over these other mechanisms I've used/tried. I'd really prefer PDA's to move to a D-pad too.

Chris


Posted by: Naveen

that red color looks kool


Posted by: tremcotexas

Yes, the Hermes at Orange as well at this link.

http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/...ail/pay_monthly

How long was the Wizard (8125) at Orange compared to when cingular launched their Wizard? I cannot remember; however, it seemed like an forever.

I would also like to know if anyone has heard any feedback on testing and how long testing usually lasts and what time frame following testing are devices actually ordered. Come on Cingular!!


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by tremcotexas
Yes, the Hermes at Orange as well at this link.

http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/...ail/pay_monthly

How long was the Wizard (8125) at Orange compared to when cingular launched their Wizard? I cannot remember; however, it seemed like an forever.

I would also like to know if anyone has heard any feedback on testing and how long testing usually lasts and what time frame following testing are devices actually ordered. Come on Cingular!!

very nice! cingular's version of this phone will be missing the front camera if i am not mistaken


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
very nice! cingular's version of this phone will be missing the front camera if i am not mistaken


You may be correct.. I know .7 had stated that early in this threads but I'm not sure.. Not saying he is wrong but it could be a situation like the 8100 and 8125. I hope we find out soon.


Posted by: helpermonkey

You are not mistaken Naveen.


Posted by: KlamshellKing

does anyone have a release window yet?? im thinking of pulling the trigger on the e61 soon


Posted by: 100thMonkey

I pulled it on the TyTn already...though I might also get the Treo Lennon later


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
does anyone have a release window yet?? im thinking of pulling the trigger on the e61 soon


Well release windows slide, but if you are looking for one... try early to mid. Sept.


Posted by: 100thMonkey

price point in the hypothetical window?


Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:
Originally Posted by helpermonkey
Well release windows slide, but if you are looking for one... try early to mid. Sept.


really?? that soon?? i thought it would be like november? so it shouldnt be any later then mid october knowing cingular right?


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by helpermonkey
Well release windows slide, but if you are looking for one... try early to mid. Sept.


question---since it is a 3g device, will it be released everywhere or only in 3g markets like the other 3g phones?


Posted by: ATLweather

I am in the market for a Smartphone and the E61 is looking like my best option. I too am worried that once I get it, the new Treo/HTC phones will come out. On the other hand, I know that if i wait i will be without a Smartphone for too long.

Also, if I were to get a e61 or treo...what plan do I need to add to my current voice line? I want unlimited browser surfing and also will be using the device for pop email and maybe exchange server. I have a seperate account with Broadband Laptop Connect unlimited. Would this SIM work as well?


Posted by: Argon4k

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
question---since it is a 3g device, will it be released everywhere or only in 3g markets like the other 3g phones?

I believe it should be released everywhere. I'm not in a 3G area but I've seen the LG CU500 on sale at the local store.


Posted by: RF9

You can use your laptop data SIM with this device. In fact you can use any SIM with any data plan in any device be it a phone, PDA, smartphone, or PC card.
I assume you have two SIMs. One with voice plan (for your phone) and one with a laptop data plan only (for a laptop PC modem card.)
If you want to add data to your phone SIM so that you can use both data and phone calls on the E61 or Hermes, you can add MediaMax 200 for $20/month. And again this data feature will work in any phone/device you put it in.
But now you're paying for two different data plans. You could always see if you can have Cingular move your phone number from your 'voice' SIM to the laptop SIM so both are on 1 SIM. Then you're only paying for 1 data plan. But then again you won't be able to use a laptop and phone at the same time (since it's all on 1 SIM.)
Also, you may have 2 separate contracts for the phone and laptop plans, so I don't know how that would work.
Is that clear as mud?


Posted by: Sleuth255

@ATLweather:

The Nokia E61 operates on the 2100mhz band only for UMTS. This isn't available in the US currently; in fact the FCC is in the process of auctioning this spectrum off as I write this. It is expected that T-Mobile will be a large purchaser here. Cingular won't be supporting 2100mhz as they have embraced the 850/1900MHz bands for their HSDPA rollout.


Posted by: Sleuth255

Well, some light is finally being shed on the confusion surrounding "good" vs. "bad" TyTN serial numbers. Here's a link to this:

List of known TyTN serial numbers and issues


Posted by: Isriam

sleuth255 the 2100mhz spectrum being auctioned is NOT compatible with european 2100mhz spectrum.


Posted by: Sleuth255

huh?

FCC to Auction 3G spectrum in summer 2006

how is this not compatible? Everything I've been told says that compatiblity is the precise reason for for auction of this spectrum....


Posted by: pchop69

The uplink frequency is different on the US 2100

EU 2100 is 2100 down 1900 up. US 2100 is going to be 2100 down 1700 up

More bandwidth for 3G is the reason for the auction, not compatablity.


Posted by: Sleuth255

Yeah but....

Is there a reason why T-Mobile has to use 1700 up since all they already own a large amount of 1900mhz spectrum here? I've not seen an FCC designation requiring UMTS for these frequencies and not 1900. Cingular freely uses their 850/1900 frequencies for UMTS now and T-Mobile USA has stated that compatability is their number one motivation for 3G delays here.

Whatever the motivation I would still expect T-Mobile USA to be a major bidder. 1700/1900/2100 UMTS devices are a lot simpler to make than 850/1700/1900/2100 and T-Mobile USA has zero 3G spectrum currently. Let's not even talk about the 700mhz auctions slated for 2008....


Posted by: Isriam

dude, just let it go. 2100 is not euro 2100.


Posted by: Sleuth255

Fine. It's OT for this thread anyway. My TyTN just arrived so I'm headed home.


Posted by: Nastronomical

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
Fine. It's OT for this thread anyway. My TyTN just arrived so I'm headed home.

Pics and review


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nastronomical
Pics and review


i am waiting for the pics roo!!!!!


Posted by: Sleuth255

You can follow along with my ongoing TyTN experiences by visiting this link on XDA Developers:

Sleuth's TyTN notes

If you have questions, I'm happy to reply on this thread.


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
You can follow along with my ongoing TyTN experiences by visiting this link on XDA Developers:

Sleuth's TyTN notes

If you have questions, I'm happy to reply on this thread.


Here's a question, how sensitive do you find the keys on the keyboard? Do they always register when you are typing, or do you have to retype things much?


Posted by: MobileAGBell

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
You can follow along with my ongoing TyTN experiences by visiting this link on XDA Developers:

Sleuth's TyTN notes

If you have questions, I'm happy to reply on this thread.

I'd like to know if you've tried CalliGrapher, which is handwriting recognition software. I find it indispensible on my PocketPCs. I would also like to know how or if it works while on a call. Example: talking on a call, using a BT headset, open a Word document (or open a contact) and perform an edit, then save. Any issues?

Thanks.


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
You can follow along with my ongoing TyTN experiences by visiting this link on XDA Developers:

Sleuth's TyTN notes

If you have questions, I'm happy to reply on this thread.


How is the TyTn's speed? TyTn vs. 8125 in processor speed. Is the TyTn noticably faster?


Posted by: Sleuth255

@helpermonkey:
I'm returning my TyTN for exchange because of this issue. The period and up arrow keys don't work unless you really wail on them.

@mobileGABell:
I'll try this and let you know

@xultar:
No noticable difference in overall speed to my 8125. However, I overclocked my 8125 to 240MHZ using the smartskey/omapclock combination. The TyTN does boot up about 5 seconds faster though. For comparison purposes, both my TyTN and my 8125 run AKU2.3 which dramatically reduces boot up time.


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
@helpermonkey:
I'm returning my TyTN for exchange because of this issue. The period and up arrow keys don't work unless you really wail on them.

@mobileGABell:
I'll try this and let you know

@xultar:
No noticable difference in overall speed to my 8125. However, I overclocked my 8125 to 240MHZ using the smartskey/omapclock combination. The TyTN does boot up about 5 seconds faster though. For comparison purposes, both my TyTN and my 8125 run AKU2.3 which dramatically reduces boot up time.



How do you do that?...
I overclocked my 8125 to 240MHZ using the smartskey/omapclock combination.
I'm running to do research right now.


Posted by: driven01

Is the AKU 2.3 an official Cingula release, or is it one of the custom builds?


Posted by: Sleuth255

@xultar:
Here's the link to smartskey. You'll need to be registered on XDA Developers to see the download links:
Smartskey
@driven01:
I'm running Summiter's custom AKU2.3 build. Here's the link to this:
Summiter's Multi installer AKU2.3 build w/cingular customizations. Don't try this if you have a newer 8125 with an IPL/SPL version ending with .001. That indicates a newer flash chip which is incompatable with his custom ROM.


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
@xultar:
Here's the link to smartskey. You'll need to be registered on XDA Developers to see the download links:
Smartskey
@driven01:
I'm running Summiter's custom AKU2.3 build. Here's the link to this:
Summiter's Multi installer AKU2.3 build w/cingular customizations. Don't try this if you have a newer 8125 with an IPL/SPL version ending with .001. That indicates a newer flash chip which is incompatable with his custom ROM.


I checked oout Summiter's 2.3 custom build thread. I think I'm going to wait until after my 30 day to mess with the device in that manner. Plus since it is a refurb I doubt it will have the new chip so I hope I'll get to play with his new rom.

I think I'm just gonna stick with overclocking for now. I am looking forward to unlocking and really testing the 8125 @ the end of my 30day return period if I keepit that long. I've been waiting for the Hermes/TyTn and I just couldn't wait anymore.

Oh..how can I identify my IPL and SPL?


Posted by: pchop69

Shows at the top of the screen when you soft reset. If your ipl and spl has .001 on the end, you have a G4 chip otherwise, its all G3 goodness


Posted by: driven01

Thanks! I'll give it a try. Does this custom rom have the "dropped call" problem that the 2.25 AKU2 "Official" ROM has?


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by pchop69
Shows at the top of the screen when you soft reset. If your ipl and spl has .001 on the end, you have a G4 chip otherwise, its all G3 goodness


Thank you!


Posted by: anubis9278

anybody know if they are leaving in the front facing camera in the 8525?


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis9278
anybody know if they are leaving in the front facing camera in the 8525?

This has been covered in earlier replies.

No the front camera.


Posted by: Sleuth255

@driven01:

I've not had an issue with dropped calls and I use direct push email. Supposedly, its related to a weather program and M$'s own mobile office connect client and generally programs that don't check the GSM connection status before they try to initiate their own data connection. There is a registry workaround that appears to correct this. Here's a link that provides good information on it:

AKU2.3 GSM connect dropped while making calls

@everyone:

Trying to go back on topic.....

The problem is caused by GPRS interrupting the call when a program specifically tries to establish a data connection. This isn't an issue with UMTS and is one of the reasons why I wanted a TyTN.

I was really hoping that the TyTN was a wizard with UMTS capabilities. Unfortunately, that wasn't to be the case. I believe the TyTN to be a step backwards in many respects. The wizard remains htc's best ever device IMO. This may change when htc releases its first ROM upgrade for the TyTN.

Mine TyTN is headed back for replacement. It had two issues: keys at the lower right of the built in keyboard required a higher than normal force to work and the built in flash was inoperative. Activating the flash would instead turn off the screen backlight. We'll see how my replacement fares when it arrives in about two weeks...


Posted by: tremcotexas

Not that I believe the following link. But interesting on the Sept launch of 8525 (Tyn Tyn perhaps??).


http://discussion.treocentral.com/s...ad.php?t=121305


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by tremcotexas
Not that I believe the following link. But interesting on the Sept launch of 8525 (Tyn Tyn perhaps??).


http://discussion.treocentral.com/s...ad.php?t=121305


i have heard that date also, but the slid date of the hp unit has passes also---???


Posted by: driven01

I still think there is a bug in the Cingular 2.x ROMs when it comes to dropped calls. If I run the same software on 1.08, then no problems. If I run the same software on a Palm Treo 700w or a Sprint 6700 or a T-Mobile MDA then no problem. Why only on the Cingular 8125 with the 2.x ROM?

I'll still check out the registry fix. Anything to stop the madness.


Posted by: Sleuth255

I concur. The 1.x ROMS wouldn't allow a GPRS connection to initiate if a voice call was active. Something to do with the implementation of the MSFP changed this behavior I believe. It's not only the cingular roms either. It affects the Qtek 2.0 and T-Mobile 2.3 roms as well. Thanks to Summiter, these ROMS form the basis of many of the Cingular customized cooked ROMS available for the 8125. IOW its a quirk in the Wizard implementation of 2.x with regards to the MSFP.


Posted by: driven01

I know I've asked before. Please forgive me if someone else has answered this ... where can one download the old 1.08 ROM? I'm just about ready to back-level.


Posted by: Sleuth255

Its available on XDA developers FTP site:

ftp://xda:xda@xda-developers.com/Wizard/Roms/Cingular

Its the third one from the bottom of the list I believe


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
@driven01:

I've not had an issue with dropped calls and I use direct push email. Supposedly, its related to a weather program and M$'s own mobile office connect client and generally programs that don't check the GSM connection status before they try to initiate their own data connection. There is a registry workaround that appears to correct this. Here's a link that provides good information on it:

AKU2.3 GSM connect dropped while making calls

@everyone:

Trying to go back on topic.....

The problem is caused by GPRS interrupting the call when a program specifically tries to establish a data connection. This isn't an issue with UMTS and is one of the reasons why I wanted a TyTN.

I was really hoping that the TyTN was a wizard with UMTS capabilities. Unfortunately, that wasn't to be the case. I believe the TyTN to be a step backwards in many respects. The wizard remains htc's best ever device IMO. This may change when htc releases its first ROM upgrade for the TyTN.

Mine TyTN is headed back for replacement. It had two issues: keys at the lower right of the built in keyboard required a higher than normal force to work and the built in flash was inoperative. Activating the flash would instead turn off the screen backlight. We'll see how my replacement fares when it arrives in about two weeks...

WOW a replacement? Makes me wonder if the date is gonna slip till mid to late Q4 for the 8525.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
@driven01:

I was really hoping that the TyTN was a wizard with UMTS capabilities. Unfortunately, that wasn't to be the case. I believe the TyTN to be a step backwards in many respects. The wizard remains htc's best ever device IMO. This may change when htc releases its first ROM upgrade for the TyTN.

Mine TyTN is headed back for replacement. It had two issues: keys at the lower right of the built in keyboard required a higher than normal force to work and the built in flash was inoperative. Activating the flash would instead turn off the screen backlight. We'll see how my replacement fares when it arrives in about two weeks...


A step back from the wizard? You would have to agree that the Tytn has more potential with a better ROM and without the hardware issues.. ??

From the feedback from the early adopters it looks as though, unfortunately, HTC cut some corners to release the "Tytn" and it will most likely take some time to get back in order. I would like to hear from anyone who has purchased or used the HERM100. I have a feeling that this device may be a bit more refined which may explain why everyone is picking it up for rebranding. and as far as this pushing back the release I would think that if HTC has already acknowledged the flaws and taken steps to replace defective devices this may not have a large impact on the Cingular release in, hopefully, September. But who really knows with Cingular.


Posted by: tremcotexas

Has Cingular gotten better at keeping things like the hermes launch a secret. With the 8125 there were tons of posts (most inaccurate) about launch dates and pictures of the device. I have not heard anything on this one. There are now three or four european companies which have launched the hermes (my guess is that if there were a ton of issues we would be hearing about them). I guess the sources on the board are not up to date on this device as perhaps they were the 8125....

I just figured there would be more excitement and news on a device I feel will be the best PDA/Cell Phone on the market.


Posted by: Isriam

i'm stoked about this phone. hsdpa on a business device is going to blow away blackberry and motorola. that along with a great keyboard and microsoft apps...blackberry and nokia/moto better get on the ball.


Posted by: Sleuth255

FYI: apparently HTC has already posted their first ROM update for the TyTN. Here's a link to this:

TyTN ROM update available

As I stated in my analysis on XDA-developers, the device is rock solid from a business use standpoint. However, video and A2DP issues along with bluetooth/WiFI radio interference and the underpowered IR port make the current incarnation a step backwards from the Wizard from an all around use perspective. Hopefully, this and future ROM updates will address most of these problems. The TyTN is a device I really want to like and I'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of my replacement.

HTC also appears to have a quality control problem with the device as evidenced by Dopod (herm100) and TyTN (herm200) users. Remember, the difference between herm100 and herm200 devices appears to merely be the key layout of the original OEM product. In both, there are nagging screen alignment issues and problems with the keyboard (which I experienced directly). Cingular would be wise to hold off their launch until these problems have been properly addressed.


Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
@helpermonkey:
I'm returning my TyTN for exchange because of this issue. The period and up arrow keys don't work unless you really wail on them.


Sorry to hear it, I expected that would be the case. Please inform us of the performance of the new unit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isriam
i'm stoked about this phone. hsdpa on a business device is going to blow away blackberry and motorola. that along with a great keyboard and microsoft apps...blackberry and nokia/moto better get on the ball.


IF it turns out to be a great keyboard. The current one hasn't impressed I must say. If they don't improve on it, I would not be able to use it for emailing etc. really.


Posted by: MobileAGBell

I received my TyTN yesterday. It appears to already have the latest:

ROM version : 1.18.255.3
ROM date: 07/22/06
ExtROM version: 1.18.255.106

It's an impressive device.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
HTC also appears to have a quality control problem with the device as evidenced by Dopod (herm100) and TyTN (herm200) users. Remember, the difference between herm100 and herm200 devices appears to merely be the key layout of the original OEM product. In both, there are nagging screen alignment issues and problems with the keyboard (which I experienced directly). Cingular would be wise to hold off their launch until these problems have been properly addressed.


What makes you think that they have not started addressing these issues? I think this is why Cingular is always cautious (slow) releasing their devices. If Cingular had released a defective Hermes all hell would have broken loose but now they have had a few months to get all these issues addressed. All I'm saying is Cingular seems to anticipate/expect there to be problems and the devices they do release, usually, are reasonably solid. (MPx220.... OK maybe not the MPx220) I'm just trying to be optimistic because I'm starting to jones for this thing..


Posted by: Naveen

i guess i will be looking out for this tytn and the 750w because the hp unit has been delayed it seems


Posted by: RF9

The interesting thing to me will be when the 8525 finally comes out (I think that's what they're calling the Cingular version.) Will it be better to pay the full price for the TyTn, or the Cingular subsidized (I'm finally up for my upgrade.)
I paid full price for an unlocked Treo 650 instead of the cheaper Cingular Version. In hindsight, there was no reason to pay more because they ended up being identical.
I know the TyTn and Cingular version won't be identical, but by how much is the question. And will the Cingular one actually have improvements of any sort.


Posted by: xultar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
FYI: apparently HTC has already posted their first ROM update for the TyTN. Here's a link to this:

TyTN ROM update available

As I stated in my analysis on XDA-developers, the device is rock solid from a business use standpoint. However, video and A2DP issues along with bluetooth/WiFI radio interference and the underpowered IR port make the current incarnation a step backwards from the Wizard from an all around use perspective. Hopefully, this and future ROM updates will address most of these problems. The TyTN is a device I really want to like and I'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of my replacement.

HTC also appears to have a quality control problem with the device as evidenced by Dopod (herm100) and TyTN (herm200) users. Remember, the difference between herm100 and herm200 devices appears to merely be the key layout of the original OEM product. In both, there are nagging screen alignment issues and problems with the keyboard (which I experienced directly). Cingular would be wise to hold off their launch until these problems have been properly addressed.


Makes me feel good. I couldn't have possibly waited for the TyTn if there are issues Cingular must work out with the vendor. That means that the launch won't happen until Q1 @ the earliest.


Posted by: nskgti23

I haven't heard of any "major" delays on our end... But I'm not talking about release dates.... Maybe I will talk about them tomorrow or next week though...






Posted by: USCMeche

Oh man! Now you have me second guessing. I know you can't talk specifics, but should I wait a week to order the Tytn? If you don't respond, I will assume that I should wait


Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
I haven't heard of any "major" delays on our end... But I'm not talking about release dates.... Maybe I will talk about them tomorrow or next week though...



Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
I haven't heard of any "major" delays on our end... But I'm not talking about release dates.... Maybe I will talk about them tomorrow or next week though...


holy crap!!!


Posted by: nskgti23

I'm not saying that the device will be out next week...

I'm saying I can talk more freely next week....



You guys need to get real...


Posted by: tremcotexas

nskgti23-

Couple of things- In the near future can we perhaps confirm name? Any information is always appreciated. I am just puzzled this device has had so little information out about it as it relates to cingular. I need to plan my expense budget around a rough estimate of the launch....


Posted by: USCMeche

@nskgti23

I love living in my fantasy world where any cingular affiliated human being can dicate my actions. Just kidding. I have this fear where I buy the Tytn for 750 now and then Cingular subsidizes it to be 299 w/ a contract, or in that ballpark, the following day!

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
I'm not saying that the device will be out next week...

I'm saying I can talk more freely next week....



You guys need to get real...



Posted by: DjPiLL

I read somewhere in another forum that the release date for the 8525 is set for 9/17/06. Don't know how valid this is. But if this phone is being released in mid-september... thats good news!


Posted by: iboj007

Bump to this....any information that could possbile save users on here a few hundred dollars is welcome info.

Like the poster above me stated, why spend $750 today if the dang device will be available in a few weeks for half that price?


Posted by: DjPiLL

Quote:
Originally Posted by iboj007
Bump to this....any information that could possbile save users on here a few hundred dollars is welcome info.

Like the poster above me stated, why spend $750 today if the dang device will be available in a few weeks for half that price?



Yup... especially when my job is allowing me to expense $400 bucks for a new phone. The less out of my pocket to make up the difference in price... the better for me.

So i'll wait till someone can confirm (or deny) this release date. Cingular has enough markets on 3G... they should be pushing to release this phone (especially since the phone is pretty much "done" and out already).


Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by iboj007
Bump to this....any information that could possbile save users on here a few hundred dollars is welcome info.

Like the poster above me stated, why spend $750 today if the dang device will be available in a few weeks for half that price?


because some people, myself included, don't want it SIM locked and crippled by carrier customizations


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by USCMeche
@nskgti23

I love living in my fantasy world where any cingular affiliated human being can dicate my actions. Just kidding. I have this fear where I buy the Tytn for 750 now and then Cingular subsidizes it to be 299 w/ a contract, or in that ballpark, the following day!

I can almost guarantee that this is exactly what will happen. The only reason to pay double the price for the TyTn is that you either need it NOW, or it does something that the Cingular version won't. It'll probably be at least $350 as that's what the 8125 goes for now.
I'm very cautiously optimistic about seeing it in Sept.


Posted by: USCMeche

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Originally Posted by USCMeche
@nskgti23

I love living in my fantasy world where any cingular affiliated human being can dicate my actions. Just kidding. I have this fear where I buy the Tytn for 750 now and then Cingular subsidizes it to be 299 w/ a contract, or in that ballpark, the following day!

I can almost guarantee that this is exactly what will happen. The only reason to pay double the price for the TyTn is that you either need it NOW, or it does something that the Cingular version won't. It'll probably be at least $350 as that's what the 8125 goes for now.
I'm very cautiously optimistic about seeing it in Sept.


I know exactly what you mean, it logically makes sense. It is the irrational part of me that wants to buy it now. the problem is that the irrational side wins more than half the time


Posted by: RF9

Oh I know what you're saying all too well.
I had to have the Treo 650 unlocked GSM on day 1. I even ordered it within an hour of it going up for sale on Palm's Site.
Two weeks later the Cingular version was out. And the two are identical except for minor cosmetic differences in the software.
The difference is that I would have had to pay full price as I wasn't up for an upgrade discount. So I'd have paid $550 instead of the $700 for the model I got.
But I got lucky. Due to a day 1 pricing error I got the unlocked for $600.
But if I had the option for an upgrade discount, I'd have definitely waited for the $350 price instead of paying $600 or $700.

I would a least wait to see what the Cingular version is going to be like. What will be the same and what will be different? The Cingular version could possibly have some improvements.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I just want to see some leaked photos .. Leaked photos always get me goin'...


Posted by: iboj007

Agreed on the leaked photos...if we have those, then at least we have some realization that they are going to release it soon.

About carrier customization "crippling", you can always flash a different ROM onto the machine that will make it almost identical to the unlocked version.

I bought the Qtek 9100 when it first came out for around $675 and it pained me when it came out on Cingular for around $400. True there's a premium to pay for being an early adopter.

Heck, I might end up springing for a TyTn through MMB or SMG since the price seems to be going lower each week (see $719 @ SMG) and now has a USA warranty. Plus, I will need to migrate to Cingular Orange to take advantage of HSDPA and I stand to get a new phone (which will end up on eBay) at a discounted (or free) price which I can put towards the TyTn as well as the $$ I make from selling my 9100.


Posted by: USCMeche

Do we have any idea if it will be a K-Jam to Cingular 8125 drastic cosmetic change or just one of the current versions (herm100 or herm200)? I would think cingular would release one of the current versions, but the 8125 has a completely different look than any other Wizard.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

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Originally Posted by USCMeche
Do we have any idea if it will be a K-Jam to Cingular 8125 drastic cosmetic change or just one of the current versions (herm100 or herm200)? I would think cingular would release one of the current versions, but the 8125 has a completely different look than any other Wizard.


Well the 8125 is the WIZA100 and the K-Jam is the WIZA200... The 8125 looks just like the Dopod 838 and if the FCC reports mean anything we should be getting the HERM100 (Dopod 838 Pro)..


Posted by: USCMeche

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Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
Well the 8125 is the WIZA100 and the K-Jam is the WIZA200... The 8125 looks just like the Dopod 838 and if the FCC reports mean anything we should be getting the HERM100 (Dopod 838 Pro)..


You are totally right! I forgot that the wizard had two versions. Nevermind my post, I am an idiot. Thanks for the clarification.


Posted by: helpermonkey

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Originally Posted by USCMeche
Do we have any idea if it will be a K-Jam to Cingular 8125 drastic cosmetic change or just one of the current versions (herm100 or herm200)? I would think cingular would release one of the current versions, but the 8125 has a completely different look than any other Wizard.


Do you have a link to images? I don't know that I have seen anything online that looks exactly like it, but I have not been looking really either.

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nskgti23-

Couple of things- In the near future can we perhaps confirm name? Any information is always appreciated. I am just puzzled this device has had so little information out about it as it relates to cingular. I need to plan my expense budget around a rough estimate of the launch....


What do you mean by confirm name? The model number? I think it has been referred to many times in this thread as the 8525. That is the name.


Posted by: tremcotexas

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Do you have a link to images? I don't know that I have seen anything online that looks exactly like it, but I have not been looking really either.



What do you mean by confirm name? The model number? I think it has been referred to many times in this thread as the 8525. That is the name.


Good. Your sure that is the name/model number. I have heard 8525 and I have heard 6500. http://www.imei-check.co.uk/m3100unlock.php


Posted by: nskgti23

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Good. Your sure that is the name/model number. I have heard 8525 and I have heard 6500. http://www.imei-check.co.uk/m3100unlock.php



8525... imei-check is WRONG...


Posted by: JPL4

Where would they have gotten 6500? Seems a bit off..


Posted by: KlamshellKing

its from the cingular insurance page


Posted by: JPL4

Oh yes.. I see it here but that page does not include the StarTrek..


Posted by: helpermonkey

It is the 8525. This is something I am sure of (unless Cingular performs a last minute name change, that I find ulikely).


Posted by: KlamshellKing

well quite frankly i dont care about this phone anymore... im just waiting for the lennon... i hate the sliding formfactor and the rotating screen, it gets me really pissed off. i just gope the lennon is slimmer than this crap. but if this gets released way before the lennon, i dont have the patience to wait, i just want my 3g...


Posted by: smokeyb111

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Originally Posted by helpermonkey
It is the 8525. This is something I am sure of (unless Cingular performs a last minute name change, that I find ulikely).


Was wondering what you maybe thought the 6500 was that's listed on that page. I'm curious as to what it might be.


Posted by: RF9

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well quite frankly i dont care about this phone anymore... im just waiting for the lennon... i hate the sliding formfactor and the rotating screen, it gets me really pissed off. i just gope the lennon is slimmer than this crap. but if this gets released way before the lennon, i dont have the patience to wait, i just want my 3g...

If the lennon has built in Wifi and decent bluetooth 2.0, I'd consider it instead of this one. After all I'm clumsy so I like having my Treo 650 in my Vaja case all of the time. I have no idea how you get a case around these slide out types.
It also depends how much longer I'll have to WAIT for the plam than the 8525.


Posted by: hitechy

I would get the lennon also, but the only thing holding me back that is a MAJOR deal breaker, is the NASTY 240X240 SCREEN!?! Who was the guy whom decided that Windows Mobile would be incompatible with 320X320? That's stupid. I am a sucker for beautiful screens .

P.S.- Oh goody, I have hit the 1,000 post mark. I guess I'm officially a cell phone geek now .


Posted by: KlamshellKing

well if my programs work im happy... and wifi is useless since hsdpa is actually faster in most cases... the only thing that matters to me are the release dates. which ever is released first ill get. but knowing me ill probably end up with both


Posted by: RF9

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Originally Posted by kisher12991
well if my programs work im happy... and wifi is useless since hsdpa is actually faster in most cases... the only thing that matters to me are the release dates. which ever is released first ill get. but knowing me ill probably end up with both

Sadly, I'll probably end up with both too. I have 1 or 2 phones I'm eyeing as well. I'm out of control.


Posted by: tremcotexas

Well, I may be finally contributing to the board. I found these searching under 8525 Cingular in Google. No video camera so they are probably accurate.

http://forum.brighthand.com/attachm...40&d=1155912494

I'm so gonna buy this thing!!


Posted by: Naveen

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Originally Posted by tremcotexas
Well, I may be finally contributing to the board. I found these searching under 8525 Cingular in Google. No video camera so they are probably accurate.

http://forum.brighthand.com/attachm...40&d=1155912494

I'm so gonna buy this thing!!


wow...now thats what i call a good find!!! it looks way better than the hp unit!


Posted by: tremcotexas

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wow...now thats what i call a good find!!! it looks way better than the hp unit!


I think it's better looking than the tytn. I am not sure which version it is though (100/200); however, the folks on this board will be quick to point that out.


Posted by: Naveen

question---i am debating between the 8525. treo 750w, and the hp 6900. after comparing the hp unit to the 8525, it seems the 8525 wins hands down in all categories but is missing one thing. the hp unit has a gps reciever. will we be able to use navigation on the 8525?


Posted by: KlamshellKing

you can alwas get a bluetooth gps... the 8525 does look really nice. im definitely just gonna get which ever comes out first, and see which is actually better and if i have the worse one sell it and get the new one. i just want freakin 3g, so i can have everything on my phone and actually use it and not be afraid to miss an important call


Posted by: aadadams

DAMNIT, DAMNIT,DAMNIT, I just broke down, and bought the TyTN and not a full day afterward, this surfaces. Oh well, I guess I will have a TyTN for sale when this version is released. Even the non contract price at Cingular won't be 700 bucks so I can take a slight loss and still buy this version while benefiting from using one in the interim. I like this version much more. Great discovery.


Bluetooth GPS is nice with the 8125, so I anticipate having a similar experience with the TyTN.


Posted by: helpermonkey

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Originally Posted by smokeyb111
Was wondering what you maybe thought the 6500 was that's listed on that page. I'm curious as to what it might be.


I don't know of anything in the works with a model of 6500. If there is anything coming at all, it would be a quarter out I would guess. My guess is it is not right.

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Originally Posted by tremcotexas
Well, I may be finally contributing to the board. I found these searching under 8525 Cingular in Google. No video camera so they are probably accurate.

http://forum.brighthand.com/attachm...40&d=1155912494

I'm so gonna buy this thing!!


Good find. Too bad the res looks a bit low. It does look just like it though.


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Originally Posted by tremcotexas
I think it's better looking than the tytn. I am not sure which version it is though (100/200); however, the folks on this board will be quick to point that out.



I would have said that the TyTn looks better myself. Not that big a difference though I guess.


Posted by: tremcotexas

I think it is most like the orange SPV M3100. I have went to a couple of review sites and they have said pretty good things; the TyTn still is very attractive and if Cinuglar ever will commit to video calling you would not have to upgrade. Now I would like to know if it's gonna launch in Sept/Oct. or end up like the 8125 and get pushed back to several more months!


Posted by: Naveen

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Originally Posted by tremcotexas
I think it's better looking than the tytn. I am not sure which version it is though (100/200); however, the folks on this board will be quick to point that out.


what does 100/200 mean?


Posted by: Naveen

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Originally Posted by aadadams
DAMNIT, DAMNIT,DAMNIT, I just broke down, and bought the TyTN and not a full day afterward, this surfaces. Oh well, I guess I will have a TyTN for sale when this version is released. Even the non contract price at Cingular won't be 700 bucks so I can take a slight loss and still buy this version while benefiting from using one in the interim. I like this version much more. Great discovery.


Bluetooth GPS is nice with the 8125, so I anticipate having a similar experience with the TyTN.


how well does bluetooth gps work? i have no experience with something like that. the pics of the cingular 8525 look damn nice!!!


Posted by: aadadams

There are many choices out there on receivers and software, and I can't begin to describe them all. I use a GlobalSat BT338 GPS receiver and iNav iGuidance 2.1.3 (recently upgraded to v3.0). The experience has been great. It certainly rivals the built in GPS that is in my Acura. I have no trouble in recommending this as a solution and I suggest that you take a thorough look at gp