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Posted by: jmac823200

I know a bunch of you will take this with a grain of salt but whatever... I was in a Cingular (Atlanta) store today and I was speaking with one of the guys about the 8525. Man this guy was talking up this phone like it was the coming of the Messiah. He also mentioned that a rep was in the store just last week testing out the phone and said that it had everything on it (except the VGA camera for video conferincing) including PTT. I know a bunch of us have been expecting September/October release (I've heard as early as September 17th) but this guy was sayind don't expect this phone until December. No I'm not making this up. If you live in Atlanta go to the Cingular store near Peachtree and Peachtree Battle and ask for Morris. I have no reason to sit here and tell lies. I'm just passing the buck that's all. I want this phone as bad as the next guy! I know it's a rumor but this is the HQ and a major testing market for Cingular so who knows!

Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmac823200

ask for Morris.

i know Morris thats my old weed partna

, cool guy. did they finally make him cut his hair?

Posted by: pidrissi

Hello All - I'm a newbe posting here, but my TyTN has been shipped and will arrive tomorrow. I will be going down to my local Cingular Corp. store and getting officially upgraded to Cingular Orange. Eventhough I live in the Seattle area and 3G has been rolled out here, I'm not counting on the knoweledge base at the counter tomorrow. Do I need to tell them anything special about the type of SIM card I need? Also, I read somewhere that the HTC version of the TyTN supports POP3 email push? Can that be true?

Posted by: g-shocker

Make sure you get a new 3G sim card. I had to upgrade my old 64K sim before I could get the 3G service working. Works great now.

Posted by: Isriam

you do NOT need a 3g sim for 3g service. use your existing sim and see if it works. 99% of the people who have, it works.

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isriam

you do NOT need a 3g sim for 3g service. use your existing sim and see if it works. 99% of the people who have, it works.

Really...I hadn't heard that! I can get UMTS and HSDPA with my old AT&T Wireless SIM card?? If that were true it would be great because I am on an unlimitied voice (GSM CHARTER MEMBER) and Data plan. So even the video calling would work...not that it's a big-deal feature to me.

Posted by: Sleuth255

@pidrissi:
Much as I hate to contradict other posters here, my cingular rep specifically said that I would need a 3G SIM to work with UMTS. As a major account corporate technical resource, this guy has always known what he was talking about. However, that being said: most orange SIMS are already 3G. Just look on the back of an orange SIM to see if it says "3G" and if so, you are pretty much golden.

I would be surprised if a Blue Cingular SIM worked tho. Let us know plz!

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isriam

you do NOT need a 3g sim for 3g service. use your existing sim and see if it works. 99% of the people who have, it works.

I don't think it's a good idea to go recommending to NOT get a new SIM to people, when if fact it's free, easy, and they stand to lose nothing by doing so.
Sure people get 3G without a 3G SIM, but no one here can garuntee that this person won't go to another city and and not get 3G even if it works in thier home city. And they won't know why.
My advice is just tell people it's better to be safe than sorry.

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmac823200

I know a bunch of us have been expecting September/October release (I've heard as early as September 17th) but this guy was sayind don't expect this phone until December.

NO! SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!!
Well I remain HOPEFUL. Hopefully he was just pessemistic or it's based on inacurate (or lack of) info.
Anyway, I know how these things go and I personally was never expecting it before Dec. Even the 8125 slipped months, and it was released after the rebate forms expired if I remember correctly.

Anyway thanks for the update. I'll take all of the hearsay rumors I can get.
At least I won't be crying in Sept when it doesn't show up. (just crying now.) heh

Posted by: g-shocker

Well here in San Diego.. I was not able to get 3G service on my TyTn till I swaped out the 64K Sim I had with a new 3G sim. The monent that I did that everything worked great.

I have heard around the forums of people who were able to get it working without swaping out the SIM but I was not one of them. I guess I would try it with the old one but if you have all the settings and still can not connect then try the sim. It is free and quick to swap out.

Posted by: nskgti23

Sorry, but retail guys don't get devices 3 months early... I don't care what market you are in. Unless you can post a picture, I call this as BS...

An exec for the Data Solutions Group doesn't even have the 8525 yet. I asked him about it the other day. So why the hell would they give it to a retail rep. This is the same guy that has had a 3125 for about a month.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmac823200

I know a bunch of you will take this with a grain of salt but whatever... I was in a Cingular (Atlanta) store today and I was speaking with one of the guys about the 8525. Man this guy was talking up this phone like it was the coming of the Messiah. He also mentioned that a rep was in the store just last week testing out the phone and said that it had everything on it (except the VGA camera for video conferincing) including PTT. I know a bunch of us have been expecting September/October release (I've heard as early as September 17th) but this guy was sayind don't expect this phone until December. No I'm not making this up. If you live in Atlanta go to the Cingular store near Peachtree and Peachtree Battle and ask for Morris. I have no reason to sit here and tell lies. I'm just passing the buck that's all. I want this phone as bad as the next guy! I know it's a rumor but this is the HQ and a major testing market for Cingular so who knows!

Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

Sorry, but retail guys don't get devices 3 months early... I don't care what market you are in. Unless you can post a picture, I call this as BS...

An exec for the Data Solutions Group doesn't even have the 8525 yet. I asked him about it the other day. So why the hell would they give it to a retail rep. This is the same guy that has had a 3125 for about a month.

i dont think he meant a cingular rep had it. htc was in the area this month. product annoc for 3125. they had one. but not a cingular rep.

Posted by: Isriam

the reason i tell people not to get a new sim is because most looking at having to do so are ATTWS customers with blue sims.

i can take pictures and show you, that attws blue sims will work on the 3g network. i maintain the cingular 3g system. i am a cingular employee. i dont care what some sales rep told you, do not change out your sim until you KNOW that it does not work.

and changing your sim from blue to orange is not free. most people lose a lot of things.

Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isriam

the reason i tell people not to get a new sim is because most looking at having to do so are ATTWS customers with blue sims.

i can take pictures and show you, that attws blue sims will work on the 3g network. i maintain the cingular 3g system. i am a cingular employee. i dont care what some sales rep told you, do not change out your sim until you KNOW that it does not work.

and changing your sim from blue to orange is not free. most people lose a lot of things.

so your goal is to keep blue alive?

Posted by: aadadams

No, I would say that his goal is to have the customers get the most for their money. Some of the blue people have remarkable deals. No need in ending those if it is not required.

Posted by: netboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by anubis9278

so your goal is to keep blue alive?

it' not a goal to keep blue alive.. i dont mind to migrate to orage if they can match my Blue plan.
family plan: 39.99$ 1st line, 2nd and 3rd line 9.99$ each. so i paying 59.99$ for 3 lines with 700 anytime minutes, unlmited night and weekend, unlimited incoming SMS.

Posted by: anubis9278

so again the overall goal is to hold back progress

Posted by: Isriam

what progress? cingular would be nothing without ATTWS. it doesnt matter, people pay their bills, they are happy with blue, and they don't migrate.

i thought the idea was to reduce churn? a blue sim works just as good as an orange, and most blue people are way happier than orange.

Posted by: anubis9278

first, if cingular didnt buy attws where would they be in 2 years time? Second, you are a Cingular employee you can escalate customers needs, and move them over to Cingular allowing them to keep what they originally had with ATTWS. I have done it. Third, you can't be happy if you are blue. pun intended. Lastly, how can you enjoy UMTS if you are not properly provisioned.

i don't want to debate blue vs. orange since they are both Cingular. But it sounds like you are not reducing churn only delaying it. Customer Rulez...

Posted by: netboy

this remind me... i dont recall i need a EDGE sim card to get EDGE speed a few years ago. y would UMTS be any different??

Posted by: JeffreyCentex

In Central Texas, at least with Data Card service, if you are an Orange customer, you NEED the 3G sim to connect to the HSPDA network. Non-3G Orange SIMS don't work.

Couldn't try a Blue SIM since I can't unlock the Data Card... But then I never liked ATTWS...

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isriam

what progress? cingular would be nothing without ATTWS. it doesnt matter, people pay their bills, they are happy with blue, and they don't migrate.

i thought the idea was to reduce churn? a blue sim works just as good as an orange, and most blue people are way happier than orange.

I understand the heartburn and I am not excited about going over to Orange, but it really is inevitiable. Forced migration has already begun as Cingular is starting to send letters (by region) for all ATTWS customers that are out of contract. I have been out of contract since 1/05!

These are the facts as I understand them:

1) In order to get all of the benefits of the 3G/UMTS network I will LIKELY need a 3G SIM card which means I will need to migrate.
2) According to my usage (omitting my mobile-to-mobile calling which is about 35%) I will end up on a plan that will cost $15 less (including unlimited data) than what I have now.
3) Migration is almost inevitable and as we all know the courts will have the final say as to how to compensate ATTWS customers who were adversly affected by Cingular's poor merger choices.

This is not the correct thread for this discussion I realize so I will change the subject:

Thanks to whoever posted the availability of 2GB micro-SD cards at Verizon. Even my local Frye's didn't have them, but I picked one up at the Verizon Phone store for $99.99 plus tax!

According to UPS my TyTN has landed at Seatac and is enroute to my door!

I am pretty stoked!

Posted by: Isriam

eventually all orange sims will go back to blue sims anyway. probably look just like the current blue sims.

in my opinion it doesnt matter. if it works, don't touch it. especially if the customer is happy. thats the problem between all these people. some say TURN IT ALL ORANGE. some say, let people stay happy no matter what.

Posted by: CeluGeek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isriam

eventually all orange sims will go back to blue sims anyway. probably look just like the current blue sims.

So you think that when Cingular changes the name to at&t wireless they are also going to bring back the old AT&T policies and business model, reverse the network integration, bring back the 310-380 blue network, then integrate the orange network into the blue one and make us orange customers migrate to blue?

Posted by: driven01

I think he just meant that the logo and name will change. I don't think he meant that they were going to undo network integration.

(I personally won't be sorry to see the creepy orange stick man go away.)

Posted by: anubis9278

read into the sarcasm

Posted by: Isriam

where did i say policies? i said the sim color.

honestly people are too caught up in this cingular is better than attws crap. as long as customers keep spending money, buying service, and not canceling thats what we should go for right?

i think the tytn is going to be an awesome PDA for cingular, if they ever roll it out. i'll buy one right away.

Posted by: helpermonkey

Take the whole discussion to another thread please. Sorry, I don't mind a little bit off topic, but the device threads can get mind numbing enough as it is. We don't need to beat this dead horse (horses) here in this thread too.

Posted by: Ihavenosignal

Back on topic, if the 8500 doesn't come out this will be the phone I get...

Posted by: g-shocker

I would think it will be the must have phone for anyone who wants a PDA phone. The increase in the processor speed along wih the 3G data speeds are amazing. I loved my 8125 but could never go back to it now.

Posted by: Ihavenosignal

3G speed doesn't matter to me. Only the faster processor and better camera.

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihavenosignal

3G speed doesn't matter to me. Only the faster processor and better camera.

Blasphemy! (jk)

3G is the one feature I've been holding out for in upgrading (I have a Treo650 now.) I'm just hoping to see it sooner than December

Oddly, one of the things I'm most looking forward to is being able to run the Slingbox player. Well and stream Sirius sat radio, but you don't need 3G for that, just WM.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylorh

Blasphemy! (jk)

3G is the one feature I've been holding out for in upgrading (I have a Treo650 now.) I'm just hoping to see it sooner than December

Oddly, one of the things I'm most looking forward to is being able to run the Slingbox player. Well and stream Sirius sat radio, but you don't need 3G for that, just WM.

You may be interested to know that Slingbox is offering their WM5 client for free till the end of the month(I think).

http://www.slingmedia.com/us/
How about that I just saved you 30 bucks! Trial anyway

Posted by: Sleuth255

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihavenosignal

3G speed doesn't matter to me. Only the faster processor and better camera.

You won't find the new Cingular device any faster than a properly overclocked 8125 I'm afraid. Speed doesn't = Mhz. My 8125, overclocked with the smartskey/omapclock combination to a conservative 240Mhz was just as snappy (I've actually taken it up as high as 268Mhz and performance was blinding; however it got pretty hot and chewed through batteries then).

Boot time on the TyTN is slightly faster though.

Posted by: pidrissi

So, I got my TyTN yesterday and promptly went down to Cingular to migrate over to Orange and get a new SIM. As usual, the staff at the Cingular Store is a mass of arrested development and about as helpful as a box of warm lettuce! Sorry if you work for Cingular...I'm sure all carriers have this problem, but they are just difficult to deal with!

Anyway...wireless is working well and so is telephony, but I can't get this thing to give me a data connection. Every time I try to connect it sends me to the connection settings. I have a "U" where the "G" used to be which I guess is correct...UMTS vs. GPRS?

Any one have any ideas???

Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:

Originally Posted by pidrissi

So, I got my TyTN yesterday and promptly went down to Cingular to migrate over to Orange and get a new SIM. As usual, the staff at the Cingular Store is a mass of arrested development and about as helpful as a box of warm lettuce! Sorry if you work for Cingular...I'm sure all carriers have this problem, but they are just difficult to deal with!

Anyway...wireless is working well and so is telephony, but I can't get this thing to give me a data connection. Every time I try to connect it sends me to the connection settings. I have a "U" where the "G" used to be which I guess is correct...UMTS vs. GPRS?

Any one have any ideas???

stab in the dark here but...

https://onlinecare.cingular.com/sup...-device-support

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by anubis9278

stab in the dark here but...

https://onlinecare.cingular.com/sup...-device-support

Good point!

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by pidrissi

how do you like the device so far?

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naveen

how do you like the device so far?

Well, so far it's been great...except I'm still having issues getting my data connection to work. I had no problem setting up my wifi at home. My server admin at work is out until next week so he'll get the emal push etc. set up for me on Exchange

I tried using the settings for the 8125 which comes pre-configured for MEdia Net but I haven't had the time to really focus on it. I'm not an IT pro, just a closet geek.

The Cingular guy told me the video phone functions would work because Cingular doesn't suppor the protocols. I'm not sure if that is accurate or not.

I have had no screen alignment issues and the only problem keys I've come across on the keyboard is "C" and "space" as they seem to both need an extra push.

I miss quality of my i-mate Jam which was more metal than plastic. But I'm sure I'll adjust.

Posted by: LuckyDag1

I have the TyTN as well and I am on Cingular. I am on both the U and G. If i can't get on the U the phone atomatically drops back to the G network. I have been able to set this up on my MacBookPro and have seen speeds as High as 389kps. That was sitting in the airport at Portland Or. If you can't get connected after viewing the wiki let me know and I will pull the settings off my phone and post them again here.

LuckyBos

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuckyDag1

I have the TyTN as well and I am on Cingular. I am on both the U and G. If i can't get on the U the phone atomatically drops back to the G network. I have been able to set this up on my MacBookPro and have seen speeds as High as 389kps. That was sitting in the airport at Portland Or. If you can't get connected after viewing the wiki let me know and I will pull the settings off my phone and post them again here.

LuckyBos

Thanks LuckyBos and the rest of you guys. I finally got 10 minutes locked in an office away from the bedlam in my office and it worked. I guess "G" means you're on EDGE and "U" means your on 3G?? Too many technologies...us closet geeks get confused!

So "My ISP" works to connect me to the intenet. I guess I'll never know what I'm missing in MEdia Net

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by pidrissi

two questions-one, how are the voice calls? i heard there were some issues with the last model. secondly, how is the build quality? nice in your hand?

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naveen

two questions-one, how are the voice calls? i heard there were some issues with the last model. secondly, how is the build quality? nice in your hand?

The voice calls are fine. I noticed, as previously stated, that at work my phone switches between "G" and "U" with the default being "U". I noticed this switch take place mid call when my UMTS signal got weak. It was barely audible and I didn't miss a word.

The build quality is good. It has a better all around feel than the 8125, k-Jam or the Sprint 6700. As I said, I miss the feel of my Jam which has an aluminum casing. I am also still adjusting to the thickness as this is my first keyboard equipped PPC.

Overall I do not regret my purchase. This things killer fast!

Posted by: g-shocker

I think the voice qulity is a bit cleaner than my 8125 was. The signal strength is about the same so far in the places I have checked it.

The build quality is pretty good. Feels solid in your hand and at least the TyTn model I have fits well against your ear. Buttons also have a nice positive click. Feels very solid when using them. The new numeric layout on the keypad is nice as well. Much easier to find the numbers than before.

Posted by: Renegade013

im new to this whole thing and i wanted to know if it was possible to use aim on this device and if so how much would it usualy cost. thanks in advance

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Yes.. If you have a data plan then it is very easy.. Free.. Most of the good messenger apps are free but some will cost you. Agile comes to mind as a great free messenger which will allow you to chat with all the main messaging services. (It was still free the last item I checked). You can also check a few good ones out at Pocketpcfreewares.com. There are others that will cost money but just a one time fee for the software. If you already have a data plan than you should be good..

Oh.. and congrats on your first post..

Posted by: pidrissi

Does anyone run any after-market utility software on the TyTN like Omega's BatteryPackPro or Journal Bar?
I had these running on my i-mate Jam and they ran ok, but I want something better for my TyTN. Anyone?

Posted by: Hayswj

I have a friend who is testing the 8525 right now for Cingular. He originally though it would be out late sept. but Cigular told him to test it hard because they want it out First week in Sept... As with all rumors take it with a grain of salt.. But I have seen the phone and it is nice.. Hopefully they will push it out as fast as they want to..

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Wirelessly posted (8125 (HTC Wizard): HTC-8100/1.2 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320))

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayswj

I have a friend who is testing the 8525 right now for Cingular. He originally though it would be out late sept. but Cigular told him to test it hard because they want it out First week in Sept... As with all rumors take it with a grain of salt.. But I have seen the phone and it is nice.. Hopefully they will push it out as fast as they want to..

umm.. That is some news.. I thought we would have seen some pics before now if your source is accurate. I think September was the original date for release. Could Cingular actually release a device on schedule?

Posted by: smokeyb111

Imagine that......a device with no "exclusive" pics before release........

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Wirelessly posted (8125 (HTC Wizard): HTC-8100/1.2 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320))

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokeyb111

Imagine that......a device with no "exclusive" pics before release........

I guess anything is possible... Wow.. I may be jumping the gun but i'm pumped..

Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayswj

I'm laughing because all the stuff you had posted has gone completely against everything I have heard...

Your posts on the 3125 are completely false.... So what would make you think anyone would believe your posts in the 8525 thread?

Posted by: Ihavenosignal

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

Agreed no one listen to that fool posting speculation crap.

Posted by: Naveen

@nskgti23
i wanted to ask you a question about the 8525, suppose the phone is far from being introduced, can i buy a tytn and have the ptt software installed on it?

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by g-shocker

I think the voice qulity is a bit cleaner than my 8125 was. The signal strength is about the same so far in the places I have checked it.

The build quality is pretty good. Feels solid in your hand and at least the TyTn model I have fits well against your ear. Buttons also have a nice positive click. Feels very solid when using them. The new numeric layout on the keypad is nice as well. Much easier to find the numbers than before.

have you saved any music on there?

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Wirelessly posted (8125 (HTC Wizard): HTC-8100/1.2 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows CE; PPC; 240x320))

nskgti, glad you can be around before thing get out of hand, at least on my end.. Are you able to make any rough estimates at this point in terms of a time frame?

Posted by: helpermonkey

The phone should finish testing in early Sept. if all goes well, if not it will be delayed at least two weeks for a new software load and test. So test approval could come as early as the 1st...

Naveen, what do you want to know about music? It plays music fine. Can't say I like the Windows media player though. The thing can't play some video codecs.

Posted by: Sleuth255

TCPMP has the same problem with some video codecs. You have to turn off ATI Imageon processing and go to raw frame buffer to fix. Interestingly, this problem has been reported to go away if you turn the bluetooth radio off. I never verified that personally though. As far as audio goes, TCPMP plays just fine. There has also been a successful registry tweak to the A2DP breakup issue. I was working on several priority related issues for wave and btaudio services and another person combined these with the bitpool min/max settings. He reported that the results were almost complete elimination of skipping. For those interested, here are the latest A2DP registry tweaks:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\Wavedev]
"Priority256"=dword:00000080 (128)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2 DP\Settings]
"UseJointStereo"=dword:00000000 (0)
"BitPool"=dword:0000003a (58)
"MaxSupportedBitPool"=dword:00000050 (80)
"MinSupportedBitPool"=dword:0000000e (14)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Builtin\BtA2dpSnd]
"Priority256"=dword:0000003c (60)

Posted by: KikoKazuma

Didn't feel like going through all the posts - but I just got my hands on a Cingular branded version.

Did anyone know this thing was going to come with PTT? This thing kicks butt.

Posted by: Sleuth255

Is it a Herm100, Herm200 or Herm300 (listed on back, under battery)?

Posted by: karlos

Quote:

Originally Posted by KikoKazuma

Didn't feel like going through all the posts - but I just got my hands on a Cingular branded version.

Did anyone know this thing was going to come with PTT? This thing kicks butt.

Dont get my hopes up.. my 8125 just died in a tragic accident and am ussing some cheapo go phone until this comes out... i hope it comes next month but i am not holding my breath...

Posted by: aadadams

Quote:

Originally Posted by KikoKazuma

Didn't feel like going through all the posts - but I just got my hands on a Cingular branded version.

Did anyone know this thing was going to come with PTT? This thing kicks butt.

Does it have the front facing video camera?

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by KikoKazuma

Didn't feel like going through all the posts - but I just got my hands on a Cingular branded version.

Did anyone know this thing was going to come with PTT? This thing kicks butt.

can we see?

Posted by: karlos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakaroe808

can we see?

Dayumn good idea, Pic Please

Posted by: Midnight Jazz

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlos

Dayumn good idea, Pic Please

+1, lets see some pics!

Posted by: RF9

Does it make espresso?

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

The phone should finish testing in early Sept. if all goes well, if not it will be delayed at least two weeks for a new software load and test. So test approval could come as early as the 1st...

Naveen, what do you want to know about music? It plays music fine. Can't say I like the Windows media player though. The thing can't play some video codecs.

thanks helpermonkey,
if you are playing music and you have an incoming call, does the music pause? thanks in advance.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

been using TyTN for a week now and I really like it. Great reception and voice quality. Keys take some getting used to from Treo but not a deal breaker

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100thMonkey

been using TyTN for a week now and I really like it. Great reception and voice quality. Keys take some getting used to from Treo but not a deal breaker

how is the one handed operation for you?

Posted by: baller4ever85

man i need the cingular 8525 asap. do u guys really think its coming in september?

Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:

Originally Posted by baller4ever85

man i need the cingular 8525 asap. do u guys really think its coming in september?

no, no one thinks its coming out in september. october at the earliest

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naveen

how is the one handed operation for you?

getting used to it. Using the scroll wheel alot with email and the DPad works fine for many operations. I know that you are a Treo fan, and I must say that I am considering getting the new Treo IF it has triband WCDMA and At least 64k memory like the 700wx. I am hoping for BT 2.0, WLAN, and GPS but not married to those. I guess more than anything I want to see how it can work with the keyboard since there are a lot a commands that could be accessed via Menu + (a key) so that may go very far in two touch one handed operation whereas I am currently scrollwheeling or D-Pad'ing.

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100thMonkey

All the leaked specs say it has Tri-Band WCDMA and 64MB of RAM 128MB ROM...

I am using the TyTN On Cingular until I can get my hands on the 750

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Which I must say does sound good pretty good. I'm going to be saving my extended battery and Palm cradle from my GSM 650 for a 750. Iim sucking a battery dry on GSM with a days worth of use on the TyTN and I don't think that it'll even last the day on UMTS

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by KikoKazuma

Didn't feel like going through all the posts - but I just got my hands on a Cingular branded version.

Did anyone know this thing was going to come with PTT? This thing kicks butt.

Yes it had been mentioned that it will have PTT. I assume you are not saying that you PTT is working? As it is not available yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naveen

thanks helpermonkey,
if you are playing music and you have an incoming call, does the music pause? thanks in advance.

Yes it will pause the music while on the call and in the Windows Media player Options you can set it to resume playback after the call is finished. The player will resume playback but if you were in Windows Media player when the call came in it will stay in the Phone program after the call is ended until you press ok or close it. The external speaker is not loud just so you know. At the loudest it is listenable, but not much better to me. Of course headphones are the way to go.

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisher12991

no, no one thinks its coming out in september. october at the earliest

Ugh I hope you're right. My brother's TDMA service is degrading drastically by the day. I keep telling him to hold out for the 8525 to make the GSM switch. Not to mention my birthday is Sept. So it's a good excuse to blow my money on one.

I have to have this. I haven't been this excited by a phone

since the anticipation of the Treo 650 coming out.

Posted by: mikelaaron

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100thMonkey

been using TyTN for a week now and I really like it. Great reception and voice quality. Keys take some getting used to from Treo but not a deal breaker

Hi- i'm here in DC, just got my Tytn today. I have my cingular broadband access SIM installed, and went through and put in the cingular settings by hand (proxy server and all)-

I don't get anything other than the "G" and i'm not sure that i am getting anything faster than normal. Do you get an "E" or UMTS icon?
Can you run through your settings so i can compare mine?

Posted by: iboj007

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

This worries me as I am in Silver Spring, MD and I just visited a Cingular store and played with the LG CU500. The LG only showed the E icon. I was under the impression that our whole area was under UMTS/HSDPA (at least based on the street level maps).

Anyways, I get my TyTN on Monday or Tuesday and i'll let you know what I get.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

Hey before you get frustrated if you are getting data 3G may just be down. I have a friend with an aircard in DC(Alex) and his card gets slow too. If that's the problem it usually comes back in a while. Or, it being a nice day, you could do a road trip

. Yes IM stuck at work.

Posted by: mikelaaron

hmmm... did the moble dslreports speed test-
169 kbit/sec- that's awful-

i think my settings might be wrong. anyone with a tytn- can you forward me the settings and how to make them?

Posted by: nave462000

what email system does this use?

blackberry or palm i hope?

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

The settings won't make any difference about the G or U symbol. Currently, there does not appear to be an E for Edge, just the G. I have found that I had to go to my local corporate store and get a 3g SIM before I could access the UMTS network as I couldn't with my 64k 2g SIM card. You can use the settings for the 8125

https://onlinecare.cingular.com/sup...ular&model=8125

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

hmmm... did the moble dslreports speed test-
169 kbit/sec- that's awful-

i think my settings might be wrong. anyone with a tytn- can you forward me the settings and how to make them?

You should be able to get at least 800-900kbps. Do you know where to find the settings? If so you could PM me. Also you will get a U when on UMTS. G on GSM.

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by nave462000

what email system does this use?

blackberry or palm i hope?

No blackberry client. Palm, what do you mean by that? Like Versamail? That is a Palm app. You can access pop3 and Imap email services.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

It uses PocketOutlook, which is about like Versamail. It is minimally satifactory. FlexMail is kinda the ChatterEmail equivalent for WM that is the super hot rod of the email apps

Posted by: nave462000

the reason i ask is because i use ultra secure, encrypted email from my company that i believe is only compatible with the palm email system and the blackberry system..so i guess this wont work for me! I have to check my tech department though..

Posted by: digitalslurp

Ooh ultra secure.

Most likely you company just uses SSL encryption, which Pocket Outlook is capable of handling.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Yeah we use SSL on our Exchange 03 Server. Just need to make sure you have the trusted cert placed on your device before trying to connect. Very secure..

Posted by: mshelby

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

No blackberry client. Palm, what do you mean by that? Like Versamail? That is a Palm app. You can access pop3 and Imap email services.

There is a Blackberry Client available for the Hermes/Wizard/Any other PPC.

It works fine for recieving e-mails but it won't let you access any other data (web pages, MMS, ect.) without having to disconnect from the Blackberry.net apn first which then stops the push mail.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Anyone else think it is odd that a few have claimed to have their hands on a Cingular branded Hermes and still have not seen any blurry photos yet?

I guess that tells us something.

Posted by: cingular#1

really, still no pics!!!

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by mshelby

Do you need to have two data plans?
In other words, if I got the 8125/8525 and wanted to use blackberry connect:
Could I stay on the Cingular PDA or Media net data plan?
Or would I have to switch to the Blackberry data plan?

Does the blackberry data plan give you access to wap.cingular in addition to blackberry.net? or would I need to have two data plans (Media net OR PDA, as well as blackberry?)

Or can all of this just simply be done with any normal PDA (or media net) data plan, you just need to get set up with a blackberry account?

I'm very familiar with data settings, APNs and all. But it's a matter of what is available with different plans that I'd like to know.

I'm considering getting this to use BB at work. I don't want to switch to one of their blackberries.
Thanks.

Posted by: anubis9278

pda connect includes x-mail

but blackberry server access requires blackberry connect.

Posted by: mikelaaron

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

You should be able to get at least 800-900kbps. Do you know where to find the settings? If so you could PM me. Also you will get a U when on UMTS. G on GSM.

I've definitely got something wrong.

I just did another speed test and i got 150kbs.

On my Treo700p with Sprint, i got 350kbs.

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

I've definitely got something wrong.

I just did another speed test and i got 150kbs.

On my Treo700p with Sprint, i got 350kbs.

In your "My ISP" settings change the Access Point Name to "isp.cingular" from "wap.cingular".

Do the same in the next sceen under "User Name"
It should read "isp.cingulargprs.com" and NOT "wap.cingulargprs.com". All other setting remain the same. I got this from a Cingular Business Data support tech and it worked wonder on my phone.

Posted by: pidrissi

OK - I have confirmed the function of every feature on my TyTN except for video calling. The mutts at the Cingular store (still fighting a front-line war on acne) tell me it won't work because cingular doesn't support the protocols for video calling. I don't believe them, instinctively! So, if someone else using a TyTN on Cingular 3G want to try it out, send me a PM with you number and let's give it a try. Anyone game?

Posted by: mikelaaron

Quote:

Originally Posted by pidrissi

thanks for the tip- i tried it and can't get to any pages, although it says i'm connected.

is the the username (which had been all caps when it was WAP@CINGULAR.com) supposed to be isp.cingulargprs.com as you stated, or is it supposed to be ISP.CINGULARGPRS.COM or is it supposed to be ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM?

i'll test video calling if i can get on to the 3G network

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

Both are in lower case on my phone. Also, you must do a soft-reset for the changes to take effect (as usual)

Posted by: mikelaaron

where did you get your settings from? do you also have the proxy server stuff in there?

update: i unchecked "this connection uses a proxy server" and i was able to connect to the internet. i'm trying a speed test now- but, its not looking good-
(also, still just the G connection symbol)

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

where did you get your settings from? do you also have the proxy server stuff in there?

I used the setting that are found here.

[URL=https://onlinecare.cingular.com/support/content.do?page=phone-device-support[/URL]

Since the TyTN is not a Cingular device, there is no pre-defined setting for "MEdiaNet". So you should follow the settings for setting up "My ISP" which negates the MEdiaNET settings. All of these are correct except for replacing the "wap" with "isp" in the two places already mentioned.

I'm not sure what speeds I am getting since I don't know how to measure it...but it's significantly faster than GPRS.

Posted by: mikelaaron

i like the size of the unit- but, i have to tell you- if my settings are correct, and this is what we can expect from HSPDA, then i'm dissapointed.
My sprint treo700p is way faster- and the 6700 pocket pc on Verizon was just as quick-

Again- not official, cause i might not be set up correctly, but so far, regular old EVDO is much faster than HSPDA.

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by pidrissi

OK - I have confirmed the function of every feature on my TyTN except for video calling. The mutts at the Cingular store (still fighting a front-line war on acne) tell me it won't work because cingular doesn't support the protocols for video calling. I don't believe them, instinctively! So, if someone else using a TyTN on Cingular 3G want to try it out, send me a PM with you number and let's give it a try. Anyone game?

If I'm not mistaken, when you make a video call to someone, you dial a different number than for voice calls, similar to how people have different PTT numbers on Nextel. I'm pretty sure you would have to have a video calling number assigned to you by your carrier.

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

i like the size of the unit- but, i have to tell you- if my settings are correct, and this is what we can expect from HSPDA, then i'm dissapointed.
My sprint treo700p is way faster- and the 6700 pocket pc on Verizon was just as quick-

Again- not official, cause i might not be set up correctly, but so far, regular old EVDO is much faster than HSPDA.

You need to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. If you are using the TyTN on Cingular and you are seeing a "G" then you are on their Edge network and will only get between 110-200Kb/S.

If you are using a 700p on Verizon, than you are on their EVDO network (3G) and you should be getting anywhere between 300-900KB/s.

So yes comparing Edge to EVDO the Verizon network is multiple times faster. When you get on USTM, your TyTN will display a "U" and you should be getting anywhere between 300-900KB/s.

It sounds to me like you are on not on the 3G network on Cingular.

-Mashie

Posted by: RF9

wap.cingular vs isp.cingular shouldn't make any difference in speeds or capability in this case. But it doesn't hurt to try.

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylorh

wap.cingular vs isp.cingular shouldn't make any difference in speeds or capability in this case. But it doesn't hurt to try.

It sure made a BIG difference on my device.
It felt like going from GPRS to Broadband!

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakaroe808

Anyone else think it is odd that a few have claimed to have their hands on a Cingular branded Hermes and still have not seen any blurry photos yet?

I guess that tells us something.

Yes, what exactly does that tell us / you? That people haven't leaked any photos.

Posted by: mikelaaron

from reading the other threads, it looks like my problem may be deeper than a settings problem. Looks like others are experiencing problems with provisioning UMTS or HSPDA on their accounts- some are reporting that they have to give their IEMI numbers to cingular (and they have to be IMEI's attached to a 3G phone), some are saying tech support can set up the option-
i have no idea why it doesn't work.

Could it be that because i simply bought a SIM (unlimited data access) without a phone, that this could be my issue? Does Cingular need to know that i have a UMTS/3G device? or should the network automatically detect what i have and allow me access?

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitechy

it seems on the european version of the 8525 there is a button with an eye for videocall. i thought you would dial the same number and hit that button instead of the dial button

Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelaaron

from reading the other threads, it looks like my problem may be deeper than a settings problem. Looks like others are experiencing problems with provisioning UMTS or HSPDA on their accounts- some are reporting that they have to give their IEMI numbers to cingular (and they have to be IMEI's attached to a 3G phone), some are saying tech support can set up the option-
i have no idea why it doesn't work.

Could it be that because i simply bought a SIM (unlimited data access) without a phone, that this could be my issue? Does Cingular need to know that i have a UMTS/3G device? or should the network automatically detect what i have and allow me access?

I went to my cingular (corp.) store and "migrated" from ATTWS to cingular orange in order to get a 3G sim. The fellas at the store could barley spell 3G even though they are nice guys. I just told them what I wanted and they did it. They had no clue about the settings!
I had to call and get those.

Posted by: RF9

Check out Post #44 in this thread.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...t=981368&page=2
Many people with the TyTn have found that they haven't been able to get 3G data, they are stuck with "G" (GSM) or "E" EDGE, but can not get "U" UMTS or HSDPA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pidrissi

It sure made a BIG difference on my device.
It felt like going from GPRS to Broadband!

While it certainly could be the case that it would make a difference. I get 700kbps average on wap.cingular on a Sierra Wireless 860 card with up to 1.3Mpbs. I guess it depends. Anyway, it's always a good idea to try both.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by pidrissi

actually they are right, video calling is not supported at this time. Bummer. That's why the Cingular's version of the Hermes won't have a camera

Posted by: DonaldMick

Doesn't the device have a camera on the back (2mp) as well? Obviously the front cam's going to be disabled, but why chuck out the regular cam unless they intend to sell it only to business markets (in which case it'd be the 8520)?

Posted by: helpermonkey

Yes it has a camera on back.

Posted by: nave462000

maybe you could make some kind of skype type voip call through the wifi? i'm sure theres one out there maybe.

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by nave462000

maybe you could make some kind of skype type voip call through the wifi? i'm sure theres one out there maybe.

There is apparently a Skype beta client for WM5. So I think that would be possible.

Posted by: mclaughlinc

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylorh

There is apparently a Skype beta client for WM5. So I think that would be possible.

When you start the new beta of Skype it ask you if you want to connect over 3G, WIFI or 3G/WIFI. It works great on 3G and on WIFI.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Still no new news?

Posted by: Hayswj

I played with my friends test unit over the weekend. This is a nice phone.. He could only let me play with it for a short time because Cingular was hounding him for reports and test results. They told him they wanted to try to get it out the beginning of Sept. I don't know a date, just what he told me and I know that he has been really busy filing reports about the 8525 and hasn't had any problems with it.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Another early September report.. I'm guessing you couldn't get a pick with your Qtek..

Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayswj

I played with my friends test unit over the weekend. This is a nice phone.. He could only let me play with it for a short time because Cingular was hounding him for reports and test results. They told him they wanted to try to get it out the beginning of Sept. I don't know a date, just what he told me and I know that he has been really busy filing reports about the 8525 and hasn't had any problems with it.

From the pictures I've seen of the TyTN/8525 it seems like the keyboard is smaller than it's predecessor. The Keyboard on the 8125 seems to take use of all the available real estate on the slide out portion, whereas the 8525 doesn't.
What's your take seeing as you've used it.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

every person who has used the new keyboard has said its better because of the keys being more tactile, having better feedback, and the better number layout... if this thing really comes out in early september, i cannot wait any longer for the treo 750... theres only gonna be an announcement about it like i think its sept. 14th so atleast another month for release. i hope the 8525 is released before then

Posted by: smokeyb111

I don't have much of a problem with the tactility of the keyboard on the 8125 so if it's better...great.

BUt I have large hands. one of the reasons why I bought the 8125 was because of the size of the keyboard.

Does the size become a factor? Will there be much of a adjustment curve going from the 8125 to the 8525 due to the different size of the keys?

Posted by: aadadams

I have large hands as well, and I would agree with the argument that the new keyboard is better for several reasons. Tactile response, layout of characters, completeness of character set, backlight distribution, and backlight sensor are all vastly improved over the Wizard IMNSHO. Any required adjustment is worthwhile, and is not oweing to size but to the arrangement of keys. Hope that helps.

Posted by: RF9

I'm actually looking forward to the keyboard. I have the Treo 650 and the way I crimp my wrist to use it has caused major wrist irritation (cyst, early CTS.) Thank goodness my chiropractor knows how to undo this completely. I'm hoping I'll have a better experience.

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayswj

pictures? we need pictures!

Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:

Originally Posted by aadadams

I have large hands as well, and I would agree with the argument that the new keyboard is better for several reasons. Tactile response, layout of characters, completeness of character set, backlight distribution, and backlight sensor are all vastly improved over the Wizard IMNSHO. Any required adjustment is worthwhile, and is not oweing to size but to the arrangement of keys. Hope that helps.

Sounds good. I was wondering if the other factors of the new keyboard would help outweigh the usability of the Wizard.

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayswj

Hmm, busy filling reports? I have ony seen a few, and you can fill them out in less than 10 minutes. I agree that testing devices can keep you busy though.

So you were not able to build an impression of it then?

Posted by: CA

I know it's off topic but check this out, it's almost worth buying a WM5 phone alone.

Quote:

Yahoo to Go on Windows Mobile smartphones

Posted Aug 29th 2006 11:55PM by Chris Price
Yahoo to Go MobileYahoo! has just announced it's Yahoo to Go service on Windows Mobile smartphones (like the sleek Motorola Q). The application has been around on some Nokia phones for a while, and was previously announced to be pre-installed on some Motorola handsets next year. This release will expand the service to the millions of devices running Windows Mobile 2003 SE & 5.0.

The application brings together a set of Yahoo! services into a neat little package:

* Yahoo! Mail
* Yahoo! Search (Local, Web and Image)
* Yahoo! Photos
* Yahoo! Address Book and Calendar
* Yahoo! News, Sports, Finance

The download will be available tomorrow from the Yahoo to Go Mobile site - I wonder if it'll run on my old Dell Axim X5???

It even puts phone contacts with PC contacts, talk about a home run!http://www.downloadsquad.com/2006/0...le-smartphones/

Posted by: Hayswj

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

I'm just going on what he told me about the reports. But I did get to play with it for 30 minutes and was really impressed with the phone as an upgrade from the 8125 / Qtek. The phone was noticably faster both in the software response and the internet speed. I did have time to install and try out slingplayer on the 3g network and was very impressed with the quality. It was pulling 250 kbs which gave a very good quality picture. The keyboard was nice. I haven't used a 8125 so I don't know what the difference is between the two keyboards, but I loved the keyboard more than on my Qtek. The additional buttons for "ok" and the start menu are very nice and makes it clear to me that HTC listens to their customers and makes improvements.

I do have some pictures see below, but they are bad quality and that is the reason I didn't post before.. They were taken with the Qtek..

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonix

I know it's off topic but check this out, it's almost worth buying a WM5 phone alone.It even puts phone contacts with PC contacts, talk about a home run!http://www.downloadsquad.com/2006/0...le-smartphones/

Dude!! Sweet!! Thanks for posting that, really. I'm so stoked to see this. It's about flippin' time Yahoo had a PDA sync.
I've been sycing my palm devices (currently Treo 650) for years using the broken intellisync program (I figured out workarounds.) I've been aching for Yahoo to update this feature. I was about to surrender to trying to write my own app.
Well I hope this works well. I'm looking forward to trying it on the 8525.
The one thing they don't talk about is the calendar. I use the yahoo calendar and like to syc it to my pda/phone. I hope that works.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

WOW.. I knoew we would be seeing it soon.. Thank you so much for the pictures. It is nice to finaly put a face to the name.. And now it begins..

Posted by: Omega2008

I wonder if this device will be near or a little above the 8125's price point (when first relased) when this device drops. I hope it isn't 700+ because thats a bit to rich for my blood.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

I wonder if this device will be near or a little above the 8125's price point (when first relased) when this device drops. I hope it isn't 700+ because thats a bit to rich for my blood.

No.. I think it will drop to a reasonable price. I remember being surprised by the 8125's price when it was released and I think it will be the same with the 8525. Someone here may be able to enlighten us..

Posted by: Hayswj

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

I wonder if this device will be near or a little above the 8125's price point (when first relased) when this device drops. I hope it isn't 700+ because thats a bit to rich for my blood.

There is not price set yet. However, from what I have heard it will probably be $599 without contract. Again there is no price set, but this is what is currently thought. Once I see a price sheet I will give the official price.

Posted by: jmac823200

She's... so... beautiful...

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayswj

that would seem not bad if the tytn is going for 799

Posted by: hitechy

Well, its not as pretty as the TyTn and doesn't have its nifty little secondary camera, but I guess thats OK.

Posted by: tremcotexas

Great job on the pics. Your pics will now be listed on every pda/phone website there is in the next few hours (search under 8525 and get ready). Enjoy the spot light until higher quality pics come out!!

Again- Great Job!!!!!!

Posted by: baller4ever85

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremcotexas

Great job on the pics. Your pics will now be listed on every pda/phone website there is in the next few hours (search under 8525 and get ready). Enjoy the spot light until higher quality pics come out!!

Again- Great Job!!!!!!

where did the pics go?

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylorh

I'm just guessing but I think Y calender is not going to be what you want for a while. They are coming out with a Web 2.0 version of it that can be ported to WM5 using ASP.NET 2 and J2ME etc. From what I've read it will give you a list of events and to do's from the get go and with a link to a calender. It's also supposed to sync with Google and I think AOL' calender.

But to be able to quickly see all my contacts and appointments on a phone, weather entered on the phone or a PC will be it for me. I hope they even have a phone "category" in the address book so it can put an end to entering numbers into a new phone. And I even hope there will be a link to a map view of the contacts and appointments.

Posted by: RF9

I don't need a true full sync. I think what you said is reasonable, just having the access to contacts and appointments. Thanks.

Posted by: cingular#1

Quote:

Originally Posted by baller4ever85

where did the pics go?

yea, I thought it was only my computer that didn't show it....

EDIT- The pics came up again....

Posted by: prateeko

Hey guys,
I've been waiting for the W810 (big mistake) and have recently been thinking about getting a WM5 device (HP2795b, its a monster). But I remembered there was a sucessor coming out to the 8125...

Anyhow, sorry I haven't read through all the pages, but if you could fill me in on a few things I'd much appreciate it:
1) Realistically, how far are we from seeing this phone being released to business customers (I have a sweet FAN, 45% off, includes PDAs!)
2) What will No-Contract/1-Year price run at? I need to add a line (it can wait) and would replace my RAZR with this (give it to my mom)
3) Compared to the HP iPaq HX2795 (672MHz, 250-ishMB ROM, 64MB RAM, QVGA, 802.11B, BT), how does this PDA/Phone stack up?

Thanks in advance. I totally forgot about this thing until seeing a post on Engadget (nice work with the pics, Hayswj!)

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by cingular#1

yea, I thought it was only my computer that didn't show it....

EDIT- The pics came up again....

Now they are gone again is there a HoFo ghost?

Posted by: Jakaroe808

I thought maybe someone got in trouble, but I just checked and they are back up. I have already copied all of them in case they do disappear permanently. I saw they were already on Engadget Mobile.

Posted by: goestoeleven

My prediction on the 8525's price: $599.00 with two-year contract, which is what they were asking for the SX66 on its launch two years ago.

Almost makes you think that ~$700 without a contract for TyTN is reasonable...

Oh, and remember, don't be a sucker and purchase insurance on it (it will be excluded for sure).

Posted by: Midnight Jazz

I'd be surprised if it were any more than $400 w/ 2yr contract.

Posted by: aadadams

At the most, this phone will debut at 449 w/ 2 yr.

Posted by: Hayswj

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonix

Now they are gone again is there a HoFo ghost?

right now they are on my home computer. It has been acting up and drops the network connectio every once in a while. If someone wants to host them or can tell me a good place to host I will move them.

Posted by: Midnight Jazz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayswj

Try hosting them on Imageshack. Free, easy to use, and they'll stay there as long as you like.

Posted by: antar

Have you confirmed and tried out the PTT feature on the 8525?

Posted by: MobileAGBell

Quote:

Originally Posted by prateeko

Hey guys,
I've been waiting for the W810 (big mistake) and have recently been thinking about getting a WM5 device (HP2795b, its a monster). But I remembered there was a sucessor coming out to the 8125...

..... Compared to the HP iPaq HX2795 (672MHz, 250-ishMB ROM, 64MB RAM, QVGA, 802.11B, BT), how does this PDA/Phone stack up?

I have an iPAQ hx2795. It's a PocketPC, not a PocketPC Phone Edition. Big difference. The 2795 has an Intel PXA270 624MHz processor. And while it is advertised with 256MB of memory, the memory consists of 192MB ROM (with 144MB user available) and 64MB of RAM.

Posted by: Jakaroe808

I'm thinking more in the $399 w/ 2 year.. I cant see Cingular going to $599..

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by antar

Have you confirmed and tried out the PTT feature on the 8525?

Don't expect it to be available at release. It won't be.

Posted by: RF9

I think the Treo 650 was $700 unlocked. $600 Cingular Locked (no contract.) And $400-450 with 2 year contract not including any (BS) mail-in rebates.
I suspect the 8525 will be close to that pricing.
I'm budgeting $500 for device alone and another $100 for cases/accessories and I should get an upgrade discount. I can only hope it's cheaper but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: MilanoRex

http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/30/...es-in-the-wild/

it should be here soon

Posted by: aadadams

That pic is from this thread.

Posted by: exchguy

Is there anything else new in this device over the 8125 vs. a faster processor and HSDPA? Most markets aren't getting 3G for awhile (I was told 2008 in Denver) not to mention the Verizon and Sprint 6700's already have the 400mhz processors. Cingular is trashing the front camera, and other than really the keyboard layout I'm not seeing a whole lot thats new here.

Posted by: prateeko

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Originally Posted by MobileAGBell

Big Difference? From what I've read they've made them quite similar in terms of feature and functionality.

The new model is out, the HX2795B, it has a total of 384MB (64RAM, 320ROM). You also stated the speed of the processor (which I already knew), niether of which really answered my question(s)...

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by exchguy

Is there anything else new in this device over the 8125 vs. a faster processor and HSDPA? Most markets aren't getting 3G for awhile (I was told 2008 in Denver) not to mention the Verizon and Sprint 6700's already have the 400mhz processors. Cingular is trashing the front camera, and other than really the keyboard layout I'm not seeing a whole lot thats new here.

UMTS is launching in most markets this year is my understanding, at least the large ones. Maybe I am wrong, but 2008 sounds so wrong, I don't believe that.

Posted by: Sgt_Strider

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Originally Posted by Hayswj

So the Cingular 8525 appears to be a greyish colour or it's black like the Oranage SPV 3100?

Posted by: exchguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by helpermonkey

UMTS is launching in most markets this year is my understanding, at least the large ones. Maybe I am wrong, but 2008 sounds so wrong, I don't believe that.

I hope its wrong, but the Denver Cingular stores are quoting 2008 for 3g. If that is in fact true, I will definately be switching to Verizon and be on EVDO Rev A by then.

Posted by: helpermonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by exchguy

I hope its wrong, but the Denver Cingular stores are quoting 2008 for 3g. If that is in fact true, I will definately be switching to Verizon and be on EVDO Rev A by then.

Can't say I would blame you.

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Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

So the Cingular 8525 appears to be a greyish colour or it's black like the Oranage SPV 3100?

It is grey and slightly lighter grey with grey aluminum accent.

Posted by: Naveen

helpermonkey,
how was the speakerphone on the 8525? clear? loud?

Posted by: anubis9278

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Originally Posted by exchguy

I hope its wrong, but the Denver Cingular stores are quoting 2008 for 3g. If that is in fact true, I will definately be switching to Verizon and be on EVDO Rev A by then.

ask them what year it is now...you never know what they may say

Posted by: Jakaroe808

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Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

So the Cingular 8525 appears to be a greyish colour or it's black like the Oranage SPV 3100?

I think it looks a lot like the Trion.. Silver on silver..

Posted by: MobileAGBell

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Originally Posted by prateeko

The hx2795 is a PocketPC, not a PocketPC Phone Edition. That means it has no phone functionality. The 8125 and it's successor are PocketPC Phone Editions. They have phone functionality.

Now that I have a TyTN, which is a WM5 PocketPC Phone Edition and is similar to the expected Cingular 8525, I no longer use my hx2795 because the TyTN does everything the hx2795 does PLUS it has GSM/EDGE/3G phone capability.

If you're looking for an hp WM5 PocketPC Phone Edition or the specs for it, go to hp.com and search for the hw6900-series device.

Posted by: Omega2008

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Originally Posted by Hayswj

Well have have a premier account so hopefully I can get it at 600 or below...700 is just to much simply because 3G is not available here. I mainly want it for the faster processor since I use alot of processor intensive apps on my device and the 8125 doesn't cut it for that and I don't expect it too, it wasn't designed for it. However if 3G was available here in Tampa Bay I would pay the 700 dollars but I have no clue when 3G will be here and I would hate to spend that much and never get to take advantage of the 3G before its time to upgrade again.

Posted by: DjPiLL

Damm so when is this phone coming out? Hopefully soon! I need to ditch my blackberry for one of these.

Posted by: MELBA

Where would one go to see if/when they are going to get 3G coverage in there area?

Posted by: Jakaroe808

Well.. You could go to the thread "Cingular 3G Rollout - Latest markets launching" in the Cingular forum and ask around or you could check out the Cingular website and the 3G maps or just call your local cingular store and hope the reps know something..

Posted by: RF9

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Originally Posted by MELBA

Where would one go to see if/when they are going to get 3G coverage in there area?

http://www.cingular.com/broadbandconnect_consumer
Select Coverage, scroll down, and select "BroadbandConnect Coverage Map"
Or just use this URL: http://www.cingular.com/business/3G_cov_maps_pop
There is also a feature to see 3G coverage on the map tool, but it's not good for finding 3G coverage the way it works:
http://onlinecare.cingular.com/support/maps.do

Posted by: VerizonGuy1

i really hope cingular does not shoot themselves in the foot and only make this available in only 3g areas. it better be nationwide when it is released. myself along with a ton of other people lacking 3g are ready for this to come out NOW (or in my case, 9-24-06, thats our upgrade date, i just checked on cingular.com)

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by VerizonGuy1

i really hope cingular does not shoot themselves in the foot and only make this available in only 3g areas. it better be nationwide when it is released. myself along with a ton of other people lacking 3g are ready for this to come out NOW (or in my case, 9-24-06, thats our upgrade date, i just checked on cingular.com)

from what i have heard it will be released everywhere

Posted by: MELBA

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylorh

http://www.cingular.com/broadbandconnect_consumer
Select Coverage, scroll down, and select "BroadbandConnect Coverage Map"
Or just use this URL: