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Cingular/HTC 8525 / HSDPA (APPROVED)

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Posted by: bustafone

For all you guys asking for a browser alternative to Pocket IE, I use THUNDERHAWK on my Axim x51v. it is the ONLY browser that offers real PC-like expirience on WM 5.0 devices. it is just awesome! Not free though, $50 but has 45 day trial. http://www.bitstream.com/wireless/p...pc_updates.html


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by bustafone
For all you guys asking for a browser alternative to Pocket IE, I use THUNDERHAWK on my Axim x51v. it is the ONLY browser that offers real PC-like experience on WM 5.0 devices. it is just awesome! Not free though, $50 but has 45 day trial. http://www.bitstream.com/wireless/p...pc_updates.html

Thanks for that. Hey, I'm willing to pay for decent software if makes my $500 PDA that much more useful. I'll check it out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
do you guys think its worth waiting for the 8525 if i dont have any discounts or anything?? im gonna have to goto a store and pay full price... plus tax... so you think its worth waiting??

That's a tough call. You can get the TyTn for $750, and it's unlocked (though you may not care about unlocked.) If the 8525 will be $620 not commitment price, that's a $180 price difference. And the 8525 is locked (though Cingular should give you the unlock code if you ask after 3 months.)

So here's where it's a tough call:
1) The 8525 doesn't have the front camera, therefore can never do video calling if Cingular ever supports it. TyTn will. This alone is worth considering the TyTn for although you may never be able to use it.
2) We know the 8525 is supposed to support push to talk eventually. Will the TyTn be able to? (I don't know) Do you care?
3) Will Cingular cripple the 8525 (ie remove or restrict certain features that the TyTn has by default.) And if so, will flashing it with the TyTn's rom merely get those features back? Cingular generally doesn't cripple, but you never now.
4) Will the 8525 have any physical differences from the TyTn (other than the front camera) making it incompatible with any 3rd party sleves, cases, or accessories? Not likely, but worth considering.

So is $180 worth getting it now vs. waiting (hopefully) 2 weeks? If it was definitely like a month I'd say don't wait, get the TyTn. But you have a very short time to 'wait and see.'
How hard will it be to get the 8525 when it comes out? Will it be backordered for 2 weeks? Dunno.

If I was going to pay full price, I'd probably get the TyTn and get the device the way it was intended to be, not what Cingular turned it in to. But at this point I'd wait to see what the difference will actually be between the two before getting the TyTn. Again assuming it's really coming on/near Oct 4. There might be an advantage to getting the Cingular model.
Also, if you hate it (not likely) you can return it to Cingular within 30 days. Can't really do that with a TyTn. Also you have Cingular's warantee.

I paid for full unlocked Treo 600 and 650 the month they came out ($700) While I don't regret it, in retrospect it wasn't necessarily worth it considering Cingular normally will give you the unlock code (I think they still do that.)
But the Treo differed only in software. You could flash either cingular's or Palm's "generic" with each other's ROMs. And the Cingular version was cheaper (if only 100-150)

Looks like all I'm leaving you with is more questions. I'd wait to see what the 8525 will be. If you don't want to wait, get the TyTn and don't look back.

But I'm getting an upgrade discount, it's a no brainer, I'm waiting.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
...
But I'm getting an upgrade discount, it's a no brainer, I'm waiting.


To further muddle what RF9 said .. You might encounter a screen misalignment issue or if you are really lucky, you might not ... But if you do and that too, say after 4 weeks .. then only Cingular can replace it under their warranty (hopefully) .. with unlocked TyTN .. you will be at the mercy of your resellers who will be sending it to probably Germany for repairs .. which only god knows will take how long ..



- JoKer


Posted by: Sleuth255

I've owned two TyTNs and FWIW neither had a screen alignment problem. Also FWIW, my supplier, phonesource-usa immediately replaced my first which had some bad keys and an inoperative flash. My second TyTN is working perfectly.

What I'm saying here is that reputable US sources provide fast replacements for defective TyTNs just as Cingular would their own 8525, so I wouldn't consider that a show stopper when considering the TyTN over the 8525. Also, the screen alignment problem isn't as pervasive as we would make it out to be. Remember the age old adage: only those with problems post on the forums. For every one of those, hundreds of happy lurkers generally abound....


Posted by: maevro

Quote:
Originally Posted by gravejoker
Me .. just going to buy a 8525 when Cingular releases it .. can sacrifice video calling.


Thats what I decided to do as well. I have no need for video calling so I am not stressign that part of the phone.

As for minimo, I installed it to my 8125 not that long ago and hated it. It ran way too slow for me and I don't mind IE on my phone ( I just dont use it on my home PC, I like FF much better).

I was thinking of buying an 3125 from Cingular for $149.99 and selling it here on NYC Craigslist. I have seen them going from $300 - $350 w/o a contract and I know if I put it up for $275 or so, I can get it easily. Adding that to the $250 offer I got for my 8125, it won't cost me a million more for the 8525.


Posted by: gravejoker

Do we know for sure if Cinuglar is removing the front video camera altogether or they are just covering it up for later?


- JoKer


Posted by: RF9

I figure video calling on Cingular is far enough away that I'll be upgrading to a new device by then (1.5 years+) and that device will support it (if it ever happens.) Therefore it's probably not important on THIS device.


Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:
Originally Posted by gravejoker
Do we know for sure if Cinuglar is removing the front video camera altogether or they are just covering it up for later?


- JoKer


HUH? Covering it up...you mean just molding the plastic/metal trim over the camera?? That dosen't make any sense!


I think Cingular is waiting to see how popular the concept of video calling is in the country. It makes sense for them to drop this option until the technology is embraced by enough end users to create value.

Having said that, since I bought a TyTN I am hopeful to take advantage of this feature as soon as it's supported!


Posted by: bustafone

This is a screen shot of the THUNDERHAWK browser I was talking about earlier. Click on the pic for a larger view. Sorry to go off topic.


Posted by: benfica88

another confirmation: http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...&highlight=8525


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by benfica88

Not really a confirmation, more of a speculation. But I'll take it! Thanks for posting it. I hope all of it is true (about the 8525, Treo, i607.)


Posted by: Quatre

is the xingular 8525 version of the htc TyTn going to be uglier and squarer as the cing 8125 was compared to the imatekjam and qtek versions of the htc wizard

if so ill rather import. in which case no use waiting other then maybe price dropping


Posted by: starrfighter

So I bought the 8125 last month and I LOVE it but knowing that the 8525 is dropping soon I decided to exchange my phone for a 3125. I was trying to hold out for an exchange for the 8525 but my 30 days were up. It's cool anyway, because I need a phone I can take with me if I'm going out or to an event and the 8125/8525 is too big.

But when the 8525 does drop, I'll also be getting one. My company has a Cingular Premier contract, and I plan on buying the 8525 through that. It seems like Cingular Premier is always willing to do an "upgrade" regardless of how recently I've re-upped the 2 year contract. Hopefully I'm right in assuming that Cingular Premier will just extend my 2 year contract to 2 years from whenever I make my next purchase?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that any discounts on the 8525 will be depend on not only the 2 year contract, but the unlimited data plan as well. I've read that the cheaper data plans (Media Net, Smartphone data plan) work the same on the PDA phones as the PDA Data plan.

If I have to sign up for the PDA Data Plan to get the discount and then cancel it later (i guess a month or two) to use the cheaper data plan instead, will they somehow rebill me for the difference in the discount?


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by bustafone
This is a screen shot of the THUNDERHAWK browser I was talking about earlier. Click on the pic for a larger view. Sorry to go off topic.


Nice!!! This looks like a great browser.


- JoKer


Posted by: gravejoker

All clues now point to a Oct 1st wk release of the 8525!!!


Posted by: Dr. John

Quote:
Originally Posted by starrfighter
If I have to sign up for the PDA Data Plan to get the discount and then cancel it later (i guess a month or two) to use the cheaper data plan instead, will they somehow rebill me for the difference in the discount?


They shouldn't be able to rebill you. Most of the time, you'll send in a mail-in rebate (not an instant discount) that requires a data plan. So you basically just need to keep the data plan until you get the rebate(s) in the mail from Cingular. Reps have told me it could be up to 3 months, but Cingular seems to be pretty quick about their rebates. I got the rebate for my wife's d807 after about a month.


Posted by: Dr. John

Quote:
Originally Posted by benfica88


That list is supposedly an internal Cingular document. Not sure how valid the dates are though, considering that the d807 has been out for 2+ months, and that list has its relase date as September 26th.

I'm still hoping that early Oct. is when the 8525 is released, but if this document from Cingular has such ridiculous errors on it, can we really trust the launch date for the 8525?


Posted by: mush10

Quote:
'm still hoping that early Oct. is when the 8525 is released, but if this document from Cingular has such ridiculous errors on it, can we really trust the launch date for the 8525?


I still believe.


Posted by: mentalcase

Its on our pricing sheets and rebate forms. Its gotta be comming out soon.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by mentalcase
Its on our pricing sheets and rebate forms. Its gotta be comming out soon.


What's the price that you have? Heard 449.99 with a 50$ rebate.

- JoKer


Posted by: Sleuth255

Well, I take back everything I said about "happy lurkers". There's a poll on xda-developers that tracks the screen alignment issues. With 40 responses as I write this, an amazing 57% report having the issue

Here's the link to that thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=63208


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
Well, I take back everything I said about "happy lurkers". There's a poll on xda-developers that tracks the screen alignment issues. With 40 responses as I write this, an amazing 57% report having the issue

Here's the link to that thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=63208


Be optimistic guys. As per Christian (PSU), PSU alone sold over 600 TyTNs ... and only a very small # having issues.

So, it's just 57% of the people who lurk in the forums have issues .. whicks make it .. roughly only 20-25 people have had issues (might make sense as the people who are having issues will only look
around)

(Wishful thinking for having best handset in the world today )


- JoKer


Posted by: mentalcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by gravejoker
What's the price that you have? Heard 449.99 with a 50$ rebate.

- JoKer


$449.99 sounds about right, but i thought there was a $100 rebate. The full retail was $599 though.


Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:
Originally Posted by mentalcase
$449.99 sounds about right, but i thought there was a $100 rebate. The full retail was $599 though.


so full retail with no contract is gonna be about 599??


Posted by: gravejoker

yp ... A couple of other Cingular guys have confirmed that ..


Posted by: KlamshellKing

i just called a cingy store and they said october/november released date... i hope its early october


Posted by: maevro

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
i just called a cingy store and they said october/november released date... i hope its early october


What stores did you call? All the cingular stores by me have morons working for them. I am in the Chelsea area. The one helpful store that I have found over the past year was the 5th ave store right by Bryant Park and they said they hope to get it sometime in Oct.


Posted by: pcman

I'm hoping 3g is soon in Philly/S Jersey and hope this is priced lower.
FYI
I been using my 8125 since Feb and just the other day I lost phone service phone was fine it kept looking for a signal.
I took it to my local store and found out it was a burnt/dead sim card they gave me a new one.
So I upgraded to the latest ROM which I didn't do before this happened .
So what out and check your ROM on HTC / Cingulars site.


Posted by: KlamshellKing

wow... over 25 hours between posts... this must be a record


Posted by: benfica88

Hmmm, anyone else notice that the new $150 rebate for the 3125 also lists the 8525.... can't be too far from now!!! https://onlinestorez.cingular.com/c...df?WT.svl=reb27


Posted by: Evilive13

Quote:
Originally Posted by benfica88
Hmmm, anyone else notice that the new $150 rebate for the 3125 also lists the 8525.... can't be too far from now!!! https://onlinestorez.cingular.com/c...df?WT.svl=reb27


Yeah, but it looks like it's only $50 for the 8525.


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
wow... over 25 hours between posts... this must be a record

I like to think it's because Howard Forums has been down more than it's been up lately. And when it's up, it's sloooooow. It has certainly kept me away.


Posted by: txschafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilive13
Yeah, but it looks like it's only $50 for the 8525.


But based on the dates of the promotion, I would assume the 8525 is going to be available in the next day or so. At least before October 16th.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by benfica88
Hmmm, anyone else notice that the new $150 rebate for the 3125 also lists the 8525.... can't be too far from now!!! https://onlinestorez.cingular.com/c...df?WT.svl=reb27


nice find...


yp .. the rebate's ending 10/16 .. so the 8525 should drop anytime .. nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Posted by: gravejoker

Interesting stuff ... The rebate form also contains other not released Cingular phones .. LG CU300/400 ..


- JoKer


Posted by: RF9

That would be logical. However, several times in the past there have been rebate forms with phones and expiration dates, and the phones came out after there rebate expired. The 8125 and Treo 650 are two examples of phones that came out long after the expiration date of the rebate form. In those cases they just put out a new rebate form when the phone finally did release.

But this reabate is pretty new, so if there were plans to release it later they had time to change the form before puting it up. Based on all of the other info we hear, I think we're still going to see it on or about Oct. 5th. I just don't put any faith in the rebate form pointing confirming a release date.


Posted by: Daniel Y

Quote:
Originally Posted by pidrissi
I think Cingular is waiting to see how popular the concept of video calling is in the country. It makes sense for them to drop this option until the technology is embraced by enough end users to create value.

Having said that, since I bought a TyTN I am hopeful to take advantage of this feature as soon as it's supported!


Pidrissi,

Even if Cingular has no use for the video cam, I would like to be able to use it for video calls over WiFi.

1. Have you tried the video cam over WiFi?
2. Can we use TyTn without modification on Cingular?
3. What do we lose if we do? (maybe the discount, but then we might not have to sign a two year contract?)

Thanks.


Posted by: pandora

Quote:
Originally Posted by benfica88
Hmmm, anyone else notice that the new $150 rebate for the 3125 also lists the 8525.... can't be too far from now!!! https://onlinestorez.cingular.com/c...df?WT.svl=reb27


The 8525 rebate has a ** next to it, if you scroll down the right side of the form it indicates the $50 rebate is only valid if you subscribe to a PDAnet plan.

For people who won't leave Medianet there won't be a rebate, so the cost will be $449 with a contract, $599 without.


Posted by: chosun

Quote:
Originally Posted by pandora
The 8525 rebate has a ** next to it, if you scroll down the right side of the form it indicates the $50 rebate is only valid if you subscribe to a PDAnet plan.

For people who won't leave Medianet there won't be a rebate, so the cost will be $449 with a contract, $599 without.


It also states that the rebate is only valid with a 2yr. contract.


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by chosun
It also states that the rebate is only valid with a 2yr. contract.

If you upgrade, you sign a new 2 year contract, so that applies. If you buy the phone outright with no contract, you don't get it.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by pandora
The 8525 rebate has a ** next to it, if you scroll down the right side of the form it indicates the $50 rebate is only valid if you subscribe to a PDAnet plan.

For people who won't leave Medianet there won't be a rebate, so the cost will be $449 with a contract, $599 without.


Actually it would be:

$449 with a 2 yr contract, $39 PDAConnect plan ($50 MIR)
$499 with a 2 yr contract only
$599 no commitments

- JoKer


Posted by: gravejoker

No posts in this thread for almost 6 hrs .. that too when HoFo is up ..

Must be a record of some sorts ..


Posted by: penguinsfan

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
I just don't put any faith in the rebate form pointing confirming a release date.


I completely agree. The HP 6925 has been listed on rebate forms for ages, I think since June or July. For example, see http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6624266.html

They're just leading us on so we don't buy the TyTn before the 8525 drops in July 2014.

I'm tired of waiting for these wretched phones!!!!


Posted by: prateeko

Hey guys, I'm browsing on mPD from work (thinking about returning this and getting the 8285) and wa wondering what the exact specs of this device will be? Also, does anyone have a realistic idea of when I could expect this phone a my return period is limited. La tly, I have no data plan, which one is the cheapest I could get to get this phone (I get discounts on PDAs w/my FAN, but I believe Cingular requires a data plan for this bad boy).


Posted by: txschafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by penguinsfan
I completely agree. The HP 6925 has been listed on rebate forms for ages, I think since June or July. For example, see http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6624266.html

They're just leading us on so we don't buy the TyTn before the 8525 drops in July 2014.

I'm tired of waiting for these wretched phones!!!!



I am just grabbing at straws at this point trying to will this phone into production!!!


Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Y
Pidrissi,

Even if Cingular has no use for the video cam, I would like to be able to use it for video calls over WiFi.

1. Have you tried the video cam over WiFi?
2. Can we use TyTn without modification on Cingular?
3. What do we lose if we do? (maybe the discount, but then we might not have to sign a two year contract?)

Thanks.


Daniel:

I'd love to try using the video cam via WiFi, but I don't know how. I've messed around with Skype a little but they don't seem to have a video call option for WM users. It doesn't look like the beta of the next version has it either. What kind of application would allow me to use this feature?


I have been using my TyTN on the Cingular Network for 6 weeks. I did have to "migrate" (ie: bend over) and get a new 3G sim card which ment letting go of my old ATTWS card and plan. I had to re-up for a year but as it turned out my net cost per month has gone down from about $129. p/mo. to $79.p/mo. which is a nice savings.

I have a 900 min rollover plan and the 19.99 mediaNet unlimited plan with 200 txt msgs. included. I did not have to get a PDA Data plan because the clowns at the cingular store had no idea what device I was putting the sim in. I just told them it was a 3G web-enabled phone. That saved me $20 p/mo!


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by pidrissi
Daniel:

I'd love to try using the video cam via WiFi, but I don't know how. I've messed around with Skype a little but they don't seem to have a video call option for WM users. It doesn't look like the beta of the next version has it either. What kind of application would allow me to use this feature?
....


Interesting ... Skype mobile client doesn't support video calling .. didnt knew this. Then .. why do I need the front video camera again?


- JoKer


Posted by: goestoeleven

The hope is that somebody (soon) will be creating an application capable of supporting the front camera -- be it Cingular video calling, Skype, or somebody else...

Right now, to be blunt, there is absolutely no use to the front camera for US users (blame Cingular).


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by goestoeleven
The hope is that somebody (soon) will be creating an application capable of supporting the front camera -- be it Cingular video calling, Skype, or somebody else...

Right now, to be blunt, there is absolutely no use to the front camera for US users (blame Cingular).


pls pls pls pls ...


Posted by: txschafers

8525......launch LAUNCH LAUNCH


Posted by: gravejoker

still 4 biz days left in September ... !!!

even the new SE phone dropped today. ..


Posted by: goestoeleven

Quote:
Originally Posted by penguinsfan
I completely agree. The HP 6925 has been listed on rebate forms for ages, I think since June or July. For example, see http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6624266.html

They're just leading us on so we don't buy the TyTn before the 8525 drops in July 2014.

I'm tired of waiting for these wretched phones!!!!


The 6925 has been on the rebate forms at least since April (if not earlier). Definitely not a good gauge of launch date!!!!


Posted by: mreimers

Before you go nuts and buy a TyTn check on whether you will receive a discount if you just pay for the 8525 and you have time left on your existing Cingular contract. I just checked and I was told I will receive a 30% discount on the 8525. So, if the 8525 drops at $599 my price would be $420ish. So I sell my 8125 for $200-250 then my upgraded price will be $170-220. That's doable... (before you ask, they had no idea when it would be available)

Just a thought..


Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:
Originally Posted by mreimers
Before you go nuts and buy a TyTn check on whether you will receive a discount if you just pay for the 8525 and you have time left on your existing Cingular contract. I just checked and I was told I will receive a 30% discount on the 8525. So, if the 8525 drops at $599 my price would be $420ish. So I sell my 8125 for $200-250 then my upgraded price will be $170-220. That's doable... (before you ask, they had no idea when it would be available)

Just a thought..


my guess is these are corporate discounts????


Posted by: gravejoker

must seem that way ... way too good to be true for normal earth folks like us ..


Posted by: RF9

Oct. 5, baby! I'm still expecting it Oct 5th. Don't let me down, Cingular. My Treo 650 is pissing me off more each day. By the time the 8525 drops I just MIGHT be ready to drop this Treo off the 4th story balcony.


Posted by: KlamshellKing

oct 5th actually isnt that far away...


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
oct 5th actually isnt that far away...


indeed it is not mate!!!


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by kisher12991
oct 5th actually isnt that far away...

It's so close I can actually taste it.


Posted by: txschafers

I am going out of the country on Sunday and was hoping to get this thing before hand. Guess I am oging to be dragging the 8700 with me again.....


Posted by: Sleuth255

8525 ROMs are literally raining down over at xda-developers now. 2 so far with a third on the way. This may mean that Cingular hasn't finalized the 8525 ROM yet. I don't know how fast the distribution channels can be loaded up once they have the go to ROM so I can't say if they're still in their window for the 5th or not.

At any rate, I've loaded an AKU2.6 Cingular 8525 ROM onto my TyTN just today. The disabled PTT feature completely takes over button 5 so you can no longer use it for Voice Speed dial. Pressing the now useless button brings up a dialog that says "PTT Feature not available yet". This is hardcoded into PTTFeatureNotYet.dll and can't be changed in button settings.

There remain only 4 programmable buttons with no push and hold button functions. Other than that, the ROM is a bit snappier than the stock TyTN ROM and has a cool new Cingular splash screen with a flaming ball on it that says "3G"...

The same TyTN identified issues exist in this ROM too. I don't think we'll see a decent A2DP fix until AKU3.0 is released.


Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
It's so close I can actually taste it.


You know what would suck... if cingular is cingular and it doesnt come out till like december


Posted by: goestoeleven

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
8525 ROMs are literally raining down over at xda-developers now. 2 so far with a third on the way. This may mean that Cingular hasn't finalized the 8525 ROM yet. I don't know how fast the distribution channels can be loaded up once they have the go to ROM so I can't say if they're still in their window for the 5th or not.

At any rate, I've loaded an AKU2.6 Cingular 8525 ROM onto my TyTN just today. The disabled PTT feature completely takes over button 5 so you can no longer use it for Voice Speed dial. Pressing the now useless button brings up a dialog that says "PTT Feature not available yet". This is hardcoded into PTTFeatureNotYet.dll and can't be changed in button settings.

There remain only 4 programmable buttons with no push and hold button functions. Other than that, the ROM is a bit snappier than the stock TyTN ROM and has a cool new Cingular splash screen with a flaming ball on it that says "3G"...

The same TyTN identified issues exist in this ROM too. I don't think we'll see a decent A2DP fix until AKU3.0 is released.


Being realistic, there is NO WAY the device will be ready for shipment on the 5th if the ROM is still this much in flux. Cingular is still a Telco, and they've got extremely rigorous (not necessarily good, but definitely rigorous) QA processes.

I'd have to assume that it will take a full two weeks of QA time once a "release candidate" build has been achieved, and possibly more if significant bugs are found.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think at earliest, you're now looking at late October or even November...


Posted by: KeithKman

I want this phone so badly. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....


Posted by: RF9

Oh, I was under the impression that the 8525 ROM was released a week or two ago. At least that's what I thought was said. I didn't know they were still releasing test ROMs.

If that's the case, it'll be a while.
What to do....?


Posted by: Mashie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
8525 ROMs are literally raining down over at xda-developers now. 2 so far with a third on the way. This may mean that Cingular hasn't finalized the 8525 ROM yet. I don't know how fast the distribution channels can be loaded up once they have the go to ROM so I can't say if they're still in their window for the 5th or not.

At any rate, I've loaded an AKU2.6 Cingular 8525 ROM onto my TyTN just today. The disabled PTT feature completely takes over button 5 so you can no longer use it for Voice Speed dial. Pressing the now useless button brings up a dialog that says "PTT Feature not available yet". This is hardcoded into PTTFeatureNotYet.dll and can't be changed in button settings.

There remain only 4 programmable buttons with no push and hold button functions. Other than that, the ROM is a bit snappier than the stock TyTN ROM and has a cool new Cingular splash screen with a flaming ball on it that says "3G"...

The same TyTN identified issues exist in this ROM too. I don't think we'll see a decent A2DP fix until AKU3.0 is released.


This is exactly why I went back to the HTC rom for now. I hate not having the extra 2 buttons that I can use to assign, especially since I use MS Voice Command so have PTT take over the button is a complete drag.


Posted by: goestoeleven

amen, brother! This is why I'm sitting tight and waiting for the official HTC ROM update...

Hurry up already, HTC!!!


Posted by: tremcotexas

Cingular has taken off the camera for video calling; however, everything I have read says that video calling is something Cingular will have in the future "they are hoping "near" future". Would it not be wise to go ahead and get a device that supports video calling and not have to "upgrade" again in 4 months?? This is a feature I will value and I think that customers whom have already purchased a Tytn or other video abled device will benefit. Please give me your feedback...

Thanks


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by tremcotexas
Cingular has taken off the camera for video calling; however, everything I have read says that video calling is something Cingular will have in the future "they are hoping "near" future". Would it not be wise to go ahead and get a device that supports video calling and not have to "upgrade" again in 4 months?? This is a feature I will value and I think that customers whom have already purchased a Tytn or other video abled device will benefit. Please give me your feedback...

Thanks


cingular is here to make more money not to be our friend or to be friendly to our wallet. if they can get us to buy two handsets that is better for them


Posted by: RF9

I assume the decision to remove the video camera was made like 6 months ago or more when they probably had no idea when and if they'd do video calling. Now plans have changed. Just a wild guess. And like I've said before, they may have saved a few dollars as well.


Posted by: Quatre

remember how delayed the 8125 was? it came out way after sprints ppc6700 and vzw xv6700.

so besides the fact that the 8525 will prob be uglier then tytn import it wont have a video calling feature? might still have to import.

what am i going to use my 2 phone upgrades on then. so media net unlimited plan still works on this even at 3g speeds. thats the phone and area you are in that determines your speed not your plan but i had a cing rep lie and say you needed the plan to get the hsdpa 3g speeds, heh.


Posted by: pgray007

I am still a bit in the dark about this 3G stuff... I thought 3G was supposed to be WCDMA, HSDPA is just another GSM overlay, correct?

Do you need a new "special 3G" Sim or just the snazzy 64K ones that have been kicking around for the last year or so with the 8525? Also, does Cing have ot do anything on their end to allow HSDPA access, or by virture of having a media plan of some sort and a HSDPA phone are you good to go?


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by pgray007
I am still a bit in the dark about this 3G stuff... I thought 3G was supposed to be WCDMA, HSDPA is just another GSM overlay, correct?

Do you need a new "special 3G" Sim or just the snazzy 64K ones that have been kicking around for the last year or so with the 8525? Also, does Cing have ot do anything on their end to allow HSDPA access, or by virture of having a media plan of some sort and a HSDPA phone are you good to go?

EDGE/GRPS is an overlay of GSM (a TDMA technology.)
HSDPA/UMTS is on W-CDMA (a CDMA technology.)
W-CDMA and GSM are completely different networks and technologies.
W-CDMA is more like Sprint & Verizon's CDMA (or more like an improved version) but obviously not the same thing (and not compatible.)

W-CDMA is intended to replace GSM eventually and is being built out as a new totally separate network. So 3G phones basically have two radio devices in them, a W-CDMA and a GSM. So when W-CDMA is not in range, you fall back to GSM.

Separate radio networks that they are, they are glued together on the back end making hand offs from W-CDMA to GSM seamless.

Do you need a 3G SIM? Possibly, but not necessarily. People say it's market dependent. Many say they have 3G without a 3G SIM, but it may be necessary in some markets, which I haven't seen anyone confirm.

Does Cingular have to do anything? Same answer. Possibly. I have 3G on a PC laptop card and Cingular did nothing to my account. But some people say you need a (free) feature code added to your account called "UMTS capable" to get 3G. Again, this may be market or device dependent. Some say they didn't get 3G until it was added, while many have 3G without it being on their account.


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
remember how delayed the 8125 was? it came out way after sprints ppc6700 and vzw xv6700.

so besides the fact that the 8525 will prob be uglier then tytn import it wont have a video calling feature? might still have to import.

what am i going to use my 2 phone upgrades on then. so media net unlimited plan still works on this even at 3g speeds. that's the phone and area you are in that determines your speed not your plan but i had a cing rep lie and say you needed the plan to get the hsdpa 3g speeds, heh.


I hope the 8525 isn't going to end up like the 8125. The 8525 has been in testing for a very long time, so I don't understand why they're still dropping ROMs this far along in the game. But up 'til recently I was under the assumption that testing was very far along and was going very well pointing to a near on-time release.

If it won't be Oct 5th because they just released a new ROM. I can only hope this is the final one and the release will be less than a month behind it.

But as always, you never know. We should always be prepared for this kind of thing to drag out.
I'd personally like to see it released with a buggy ROM and have to upgrade in a month or two after release than wait because I'm so anxious. But I'm in the minority and I'm sure Cingular wouldn't agree.
If it's not release by Dec. I WILL get the TyTn. But I'm still not sure that's the better choice.


Posted by: Sleuth255

It's possible that xda-developers are getting old test ROMs dropped on them too. However, on the Cingular ROM loaded to my TyTN, the bootloader build date is 8/29. There is at least one known 8525 ROM build that is more current than mine (it fixes the battery display issue too btw).


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
It's possible that xda-developers are getting old test ROMs dropped on them too. However, on the Cingular ROM loaded to my TyTN, the bootloader build date is 8/29. There is at least one known 8525 ROM build that is more current than mine (it fixes the battery display issue too btw).

I think that's 1.31 which has the 8/29 date on it.
About the 14th post down in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=63355 "Austin_boy" posted on Mon Sept 25th "ROM 1.34 will be uploaded soon".
But I don't see that it has been uploaded yet and the question is, what's the date that'll be on 1.34? It could be anything. 1.31 didn't get posted there until Sept 24th and it was over 3 weeks old by then. So 1.34 could be like 9/30, or it could be like 9/10. The earlier the better.
Your guess is as good as mine.
1.30 was 8/21
1.31 was 8/29
1.32 9/5 ??
1.33 9/11 ??
1.34 9/21 ??
If my guesses are correct, that doesn't look too good even if 1.34 is the final. It would put the release in Mid Oct at the earliest.
There is also a possibility they'll release the 8525 with a particular ROM, but continue to test new ones even after the release for future batches and for customers to self-update. That's my optimistic side talking.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
EDGE/GRPS is an overlay of GSM (a TDMA technology.)
HSDPA/UMTS is on W-CDMA (a CDMA technology.)
W-CDMA and GSM are completely different networks and technologies.
W-CDMA is more like Sprint & Verizon's CDMA (or more like an improved version) but obviously not the same thing (and not compatible.)

W-CDMA is intended to replace GSM eventually and is being built out as a new totally separate network. So 3G phones basically have two radio devices in them, a W-CDMA and a GSM. So when W-CDMA is not in range, you fall back to GSM.

Separate radio networks that they are, they are glued together on the back end making hand offs from W-CDMA to GSM seamless.

Do you need a 3G SIM? Possibly, but not necessarily. People say it's market dependent. Many say they have 3G without a 3G SIM, but it may be necessary in some markets, which I haven't seen anyone confirm.

Does Cingular have to do anything? Same answer. Possibly. I have 3G on a PC laptop card and Cingular did nothing to my account. But some people say you need a (free) feature code added to your account called "UMTS capable" to get 3G. Again, this may be market or device dependent. Some say they didn't get 3G until it was added, while many have 3G without it being on their account.



Nice overview. Finally things are a bit clear for me.


Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
EDGE/GRPS is an overlay of GSM (a TDMA technology.)
HSDPA/UMTS is on W-CDMA (a CDMA technology.)
W-CDMA and GSM are completely different networks and technologies.
W-CDMA is more like Sprint & Verizon's CDMA (or more like an improved version) but obviously not the same thing (and not compatible.)

W-CDMA is intended to replace GSM eventually and is being built out as a new totally separate network. So 3G phones basically have two radio devices in them, a W-CDMA and a GSM. So when W-CDMA is not in range, you fall back to GSM.

Separate radio networks that they are, they are glued together on the back end making hand offs from W-CDMA to GSM seamless.

Do you need a 3G SIM? Possibly, but not necessarily. People say it's market dependent. Many say they have 3G without a 3G SIM, but it may be necessary in some markets, which I haven't seen anyone confirm.

Does Cingular have to do anything? Same answer. Possibly. I have 3G on a PC laptop card and Cingular did nothing to my account. But some people say you need a (free) feature code added to your account called "UMTS capable" to get 3G. Again, this may be market or device dependent. Some say they didn't get 3G until it was added, while many have 3G without it being on their account.


I need to upgrade to a 3-G SIM from my old ATTWS SIM which bummed me out at first. But for me it acutally saved me about $90 p/ mo with a new plan from Cingular. I did not, however, have to get the PDA Connect plan since the MEdiaNet unlimited plan gives me all the connectivity I need. The Cingular goons at the store didn't do anythig but hand me the SIM and punch a few keys into the their PC and *poof* I was on my way.

***One annoyance of late that I have noticed on my TyTN is the transition between UMTS and GSM which used to be seamless, now causes my phone to go into "searching network" for signal. When I am inside my office the UMTS signal is too weak and it trys to fall back to GSM. When I walk out sideto the parking lot it resumes the UMTS connection. But the last couple of days I've noticed it hangs in "Searching Network" mode and requires me to use the Comm manager to toggle the radio off and on again! This is frustrating!


Posted by: maevro

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
If it's not release by Dec. I WILL get the TyTn. But I'm still not sure that's the better choice.


Thats what I am thinking too.


Quote:
Originally Posted by gravejoker
Nice overview. Finally things are a bit clear for me.

Ditto, I did not know all of that in such detail. Thanks for the info.


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by maevro
Thats what I am thinking too.

There are a few reasons I'd rather hold out for the 8525:
1. Cingular is a bit anti-non-cingular device (eg. can't make calls while roaming internationally in some place unless you have a Cingular issued device.) I've read some people have had minor challenges getting 3G to work because Cingular doesn't recognize it as their device. Just lame headaches you can avoid by getting the 8525.
That being said, I never had a problem with my unlocked Palm branded Treo 650. But I also haven't traveled internationally with it. Not a big deal, i can always get a cheap cingular phone if I do.
2. The PTT feature and other Cingular ROM customizations.
3. Cingular video I hope
4. The price
5. Return/exchange policy.
6. Hopefully not more than a month away.
But apparently you can flash the TyTn with the Cingular ROM which makes all but #1 a moot point. Assuming you can get the final release ROM.

Reasons to get the TyTn:
1. No more waiting in agony Instant gratification can be a good thing
2. Front video camera not lobotomized. Video calling not removed unless you install the Cingular ROM.
I think there could still be use for that front camera even if you're not using video callling.

Not that this is all that important. But does anyone know if the 8525 will be able to use Cingular signed Java apps that only work on Cingular ROM phones?


Posted by: pgray007

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
EDGE/GRPS is an overlay of GSM (a TDMA technology.)
HSDPA/UMTS is on W-CDMA (a CDMA technology.)
W-CDMA and GSM are completely different networks and technologies.
W-CDMA is more like Sprint & Verizon's CDMA (or more like an improved version) but obviously not the same thing (and not compatible.)

W-CDMA is intended to replace GSM eventually and is being built out as a new totally separate network. So 3G phones basically have two radio devices in them, a W-CDMA and a GSM. So when W-CDMA is not in range, you fall back to GSM.

Separate radio networks that they are, they are glued together on the back end making hand offs from W-CDMA to GSM seamless.

Do you need a 3G SIM? Possibly, but not necessarily. People say it's market dependent. Many say they have 3G without a 3G SIM, but it may be necessary in some markets, which I haven't seen anyone confirm.

Does Cingular have to do anything? Same answer. Possibly. I have 3G on a PC laptop card and Cingular did nothing to my account. But some people say you need a (free) feature code added to your account called "UMTS capable" to get 3G. Again, this may be market or device dependent. Some say they didn't get 3G until it was added, while many have 3G without it being on their account.


That was extremely helpful! Thanks! I am amazed that they can seemlessly handoff between WCDMA and GSM. Does anyone know if battery life suffers when on the WCDMA network? I've always heard that CDMA devices use more battery since the radio is constantly switching frequencies rather than just operating in a particular timeslot like GSM.

And my final question: WCDMA is on different frequencies in the US and the rest of the world, correct? Here it's on 850mHz and EU is like 2100mHz or something?


Posted by: Willie3White

So i was at my local cingular store here in New Orleans, LA and i was asking my rep when the 8525 was coming out so i could pick one up. He said oct 3rd and that the 3G was gonna launch at the same time here in New Orleans. None of this is confirmed but he got the date from some thing that looked like excell spreadsheet any body know what this is? He said he was gonna get one too and that he had been waiting.


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie3White
So i was at my local cingular store here in New Orleans, LA and i was asking my rep when the 8525 was coming out so i could pick one up. He said oct 3rd and that the 3G was gonna launch at the same time here in New Orleans. None of this is confirmed but he got the date from some thing that looked like excell spreadsheet any body know what this is? He said he was gonna get one too and that he had been waiting.


isnt there free wifi all over new orleans right now?


Posted by: folsomparty

Been enjoying this forum and have learned a lot, but I've got a few questions.

1. I'm not quite sure what is meant by a phone being locked/unlocked. I'd assume that a locked phone would be unusable, but I think I'm wrong.

2. Once I get this sweet 8525, I'm not gonna want to take it skiing, mt. biking or other places that could possibly destroy it. Can I just take out the sim card and put it in my old phone (motorola v551) and it'll work fine? What if I get a new 3G card for the 8525...will that work in a non-3G phone?

3. Will the 8525 still work as a PDA with wi-fi and all the apps without ANY sim card in it? Obviously the phone won't work, but it'd be nice if everything else worked if I decided to use a smaller phone some days.

4. While talking on the 8525, can you use the other apps? Like say, view an Excel spreadsheet. Obviously using a headset or speaker phone.

I know they're simple questions, but the knowledge base here seems to be much better than the average Cingular sales/svc rep...not to mention much more honest too. Thanks! Brian.


Posted by: gravejoker

1. Locked phone just means that it is locked with the carrier (you cant use a sim from other carrier with your locked phone)

2. Yes, the 8525 sim should work in a diff phone, even if it's a 3G sim (can someone confirm this)?

3. Donno about this .. but typically the phones dont work w/o a SIM

4. YES .. there's no reason you shouldnt be able (again, can someone confirm this?)

Let us know if you have any other questions .. people are very helpful here.
- JoKer


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by pgray007
And my final question: WCDMA is on different frequencies in the US and the rest of the world, correct? Here it's on 850mHz and EU is like 2100mHz or something?


Cingular's HSDPA is 1900 ...


- JoKer


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willie3White
So i was at my local cingular store here in New Orleans, LA and i was asking my rep when the 8525 was coming out so i could pick one up. He said oct 3rd and that the 3G was gonna launch at the same time here in New Orleans. None of this is confirmed but he got the date from some thing that looked like excell spreadsheet any body know what this is? He said he was gonna get one too and that he had been waiting.

There was a pricing sheet of some sort that listed Oct 3rd as the release date. But those sheets are often planned release dates and that doesn't always happen. A phone may get delayed because testing and bug fixing took longer than initially planned. It appears that could be the case with the 8525, but this based on just the speculation that I'm piecing together from what I"m seeing on the xda-developers forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewforum.php?f=57 (They are still coming out with new ROMs)
But who knows. I think next week someone will pop on here and give us a more official update. I certainly have a glimmer of hope that it'll be Oct 3rd (actually Oct 5th was the revised date I was seeing.) but I'm certainly not expecting it by then at this point.


Posted by: SoberGuy

Quote:
Originally Posted by folsomparty
Been enjoying this forum and have learned a lot, but I've got a few questions.

1. I'm not quite sure what is meant by a phone being locked/unlocked. I'd assume that a locked phone would be unusable, but I think I'm wrong.

Prety much answered above. There isn't much need for the average guy to unlock a phone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by folsomparty
2. Once I get this sweet 8525, I'm not gonna want to take it skiing, mt. biking or other places that could possibly destroy it. Can I just take out the sim card and put it in my old phone (motorola v551) and it'll work fine? What if I get a new 3G card for the 8525...will that work in a non-3G phone?

Yup. Works just fine. I've never had any issues.
Quote:
Originally Posted by folsomparty
3. Will the 8525 still work as a PDA with wi-fi and all the apps without ANY sim card in it? Obviously the phone won't work, but it'd be nice if everything else worked if I decided to use a smaller phone some days.

Works just fine. It will turn on, tell you there's no SIM in it, you say "Go away little error message." and all the functionality is still there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by folsomparty
4. While talking on the 8525, can you use the other apps? Like say, view an Excel spreadsheet. Obviously using a headset or speaker phone.

Correct-a-mundo, to quote Sammy. A word of caution, Word take about a half hour to load any big document. OK, not that long, but the lag is crazy. Should be better on the 8525 with a faster processor, but I've done some things that have just made this thing slow to a crawl.
Quote:
Originally Posted by folsomparty
I know they're simple questions, but the knowledge base here seems to be much better than the average Cingular sales/svc rep...not to mention much more honest too. Thanks! Brian.

Stick around hofo. I'm not one of the big techno geeks, but usually they can explain things to where it's easily undertandable. I love going in to Cingular stores and knowing more than them, and it's all learned here on HoFo! I took my wife in to look at the 3125 in person, since she wants one. They didn't even have a dispaly model yet, didn't know anything about it, except that they had some unopened boxes in back. Asked about the 8525, the lady said "Oh, the 8125?"


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoberGuy
I took my wife in to look at the 3125 in person, since she wants one. They didn't even have a dispaly model yet, didn't know anything about it, except that they had some unopened boxes in back. Asked about the 8525, the lady said "Oh, the 8125?"

I usually get the response more along the lines of "How do you know about that phone, we just got it today" kind of thing. "Yeah we have them in back, we only got 3 so we don't have a display one yet."


Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
I usually get the response more along the lines of "How do you know about that phone, we just got it today" kind of thing. "Yeah we have them in back, we only got 3 so we don't have a display one yet."



I have gotten responses like "huh...whaaat....idunno....8525....you mean the 8125...no, I'm sorry, you must have the numbers wrong....new phones???...huh.....whaaat???


Posted by: Willie3White

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
isnt there free wifi all over new orleans right now?

Nope it is limted to like one block every 10 only in certin parts of the city


Posted by: folsomparty

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoberGuy
Stick around hofo. I'm not one of the big techno geeks, but usually they can explain things to where it's easily undertandable. I love going in to Cingular stores and knowing more than them, and it's all learned here on HoFo! I took my wife in to look at the 3125 in person, since she wants one. They didn't even have a dispaly model yet, didn't know anything about it, except that they had some unopened boxes in back. Asked about the 8525, the lady said "Oh, the 8125?"


Thanks everyone. Forums like this are what make the internet great. Everytime I'm considering a fairly expensive purchase I search for sites like this and, just like SoberGuy, I walk in knowing more than the sales reps "officially" trained on the product. Keep it up...


Posted by: txschafers

I have a call into our Cingular rep waiting on an answer to a launch date. I was really hoping to take this thing to Europe next week.


Posted by: goestoeleven

Why don't you buy a TyTN while you're over there and stop waiting?


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
I have a call into our Cingular rep waiting on an answer to a launch date. I was really hoping to take this thing to Europe next week.


all of us here are going nuts, believe me


Posted by: txschafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by goestoeleven
Why don't you buy a TyTN while you're over there and stop waiting?


I may....I kind of like the look of the 8525 a little more and will probably be able to get the Cingular version for a little south of $300 with our corp discount. I also would never use the front camera for video calling so this is not an issue for me like it is for some folks.


Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
all of us here are going nuts, believe me


Not me...I'm cool. Got my TyTN...waiting on the Treo though. The more I use the TyTN, the more the Treo 750 is starting to look goiod. I'm really bored of the slider


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by 100thMonkey
Not me...I'm cool. Got my TyTN...waiting on the Treo though. The more I use the TyTN, the more the Treo 750 is starting to look goiod. I'm really bored of the slider


Where did you get your TyTN from?


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by pidrissi
I have gotten responses like "huh...whaaat....idunno....8525....you mean the 8125...no, I'm sorry, you must have the numbers wrong....new phones???...huh.....whaaat???


I have not inquired about the 8525 yet but I remember asking about the 8125 and 2125 before they were released and it was more like.. Sir.. Cingular does not make phones, are you sure it is not a Nokia...


Posted by: CES1951

I found a site that provides comparison between different versions of the Hermes/TyTN: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...id1=588&id2=506.

The Cingular 8525 will lack the front camera as we all know.

In reviewing the comparison chart, I see that the 8525 also lacks UMTS 800 MHz support and Qualcomm 6275 GSM/UMTS radio module.

The TyTN seems to be running an older firmware at AKU 2.3 versus AKU 2.5 for the 8525.

Do any of you engineering types know where UMTS 800 would be important?

What do we give up by not having the Qualcomm module?

What is the difference between the AKU 2.3 and 2.5?

If Cingular spayed the phone, I may have to pop for the TyTN, even at the higher cost.


Posted by: liptonbrisk

Quote:
Originally Posted by goestoeleven
Why don't you buy a TyTN while you're over there and stop waiting?


How much more would it cost there? Esp since you'd want it w/o contract.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by CES1951
The TyTN seems to be running an older firmware at AKU 2.3 versus AKU 2.5 for the 8525.

What is the difference between the AKU 2.3 and 2.5?



It's actually AKU 2.6 on the 8525 as per the latest Cingular ROM (1.31). AKUs are like software updates for WM5. I think I saw a link somewhere .. need to look for it.


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by CES1951
Do any of you engineering types know where UMTS 800 would be important?
What do we give up by not having the Qualcomm module?

What is the difference between the AKU 2.3 and 2.5?

I found this site describing the major changes for each AKU.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/ar...wm-aku-en.shtml
But I'm not sure it's all that thorough. I mean, it doesn't say which AKU introduced direct push mail. I know 2.3 and after have direct push mail.

The AKU (Adaptation Kit Update) is basically a service pack for WM5. I'm not sure if you can apply an AKU yourself to something like a TyTn, or if it has to be built in to a new ROM, or does it depend. From this page it doesn't appear there are a lot of significant changes except for dialing from the today screen and bug fixes.

I don't know about 800Mhz or qualcomm. I assume the 800Mhz is a non-us frequency.


Posted by: Mashie

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
I found this site describing the major changes for each AKU.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/ar...wm-aku-en.shtml
But I'm not sure it's all that thorough. I mean, it doesn't say which AKU introduced direct push mail. I know 2.3 and after have direct push mail.

The AKU (Adaptation Kit Update) is basically a service pack for WM5. I'm not sure if you can apply an AKU yourself to something like a TyTn, or if it has to be built in to a new ROM, or does it depend. From this page it doesn't appear there are a lot of significant changes except for dialing from the today screen and bug fixes.

I don't know about 800Mhz or qualcomm. I assume the 800Mhz is a non-us frequency.


Push was introduced with AKU2.0 the other .x incriments are minor updates. One really nice one that came in AKU2.3 was the ability to get to folders in pocket outlooke from the left soft menu. Previously you had to touch the screen to get to the folder drop down list. The TyTN has this option.


Posted by: RF9

AKU 2.6 looks like the latest version (and final 2.x) release before AKU 3.0.


Posted by: txschafers

Does any of this mean I will have an 8525 in my hand before the end of the year?!


Posted by: stripesace

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
Does any of this mean I will have an 8525 in my hand before the end of the year?!



I'm about to jump out to an 8125. What will I really gain from 3g if all I use the device is for email and organizer, with occasional browsing?


Posted by: txschafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by stripesace
I'm about to jump out to an 8125. What will I really gain from 3g if all I use the device is for email and organizer, with occasional browsing?


For me the processor speed and the dedicated Start and OK buttons are huge! I had an 8125 and yes there are hacks/apps to assist with this but I really like the new layout and the way the keyboard is re-configured on the 8525.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
Does any of this mean I will have an 8525 in my hand before the end of the year?!


Not really. AKUs has nothing to do really with the phone being released.


Posted by: txschafers

I kind of figured that. I almost wish I did not know these forums existed....then I would not be so frustrated waiting for SLOW A$$ Cingular to release something worth buying. I have looked on thier site and until they launch the 8525 or the 750 there is nothing interesting. And now T-mobile is announcing the Dash on October 16th. When are these guys gonna wake up?!


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
I kind of figured that. I almost wish I did not know these forums existed....then I would not be so frustrated waiting for SLOW A$$ Cingular to release something worth buying. I have looked on thier site and until they launch the 8525 or the 750 there is nothing interesting. And now T-mobile is announcing the Dash on October 16th. When are these guys gonna wake up?!


I know how you feel mate!!!

what's a Dash tho?

Sorry ... never mind .. found it. HTC phones are being picked up like hot cakes.


Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:
Originally Posted by gravejoker
Where did you get your TyTN from?


MadMonkeyBoy...good service handsdown


Posted by: Tastypeppers

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
I kind of figured that. I almost wish I did not know these forums existed....then I would not be so frustrated waiting for SLOW A$$ Cingular to release something worth buying. I have looked on thier site and until they launch the 8525 or the 750 there is nothing interesting. And now T-mobile is announcing the Dash on October 16th. When are these guys gonna wake up?!


I'm a T-Mobile customer and all I can say about the Dash is "It's about time." Watching the new stuff go by--the Q, the new Treos, etc. All of the other carriers were getting the new PDA phones. Nothing at T-Mo.

I'll be across the street at the T-Mobile store on the 16th to pick up a Dash.


Posted by: KlamshellKing

i just wish the excalibur/dash had 3g... then it would be my dream phone


Posted by: gravejoker

11 hrs and no post .. c'mmon guys .. cheer up ..


Posted by: Miamifan1354

No news, nothing to post about. All of the questions have been asked and answered. Now we just need to know when it will come out.


Posted by: txschafers

I just checked our corp site and no new phones....just the same old boring stuff.


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
I just checked our corp site and no new phones....just the same old boring stuff.


verizon just got the krazr, when when will cingular get some new phones???


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I come to this thread every day to check and still nothing.. It has to be soon right?


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
I come to this thread every day to check and still nothing.. It has to be soon right?


i hope so. i am checking this thread more than even the new porn sites j/k


Posted by: txschafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
i hope so. i am checking this thread more than even the new porn sites j/k



Now there is a man that is REALLY jonesing for a new phone!!


Posted by: RF9

Hehe
I even got my brother jonesen for this. And he's still on TDMA! He's been holding out to swtich to GSM because he wanted a good 3G PDA phone. So I told him to wait for the 8525.
Man oh man, on a daily basis they're taking down TDMA sites he can barely hold a call for more than a min. He called me up today "Man, I really jonesen for that new phone!"
I told him that if he wanted to take a risk, he could switch over now and use the 30 day return policy to switch to the 8525 when it comes out. But he'd rather just hold out a little longer.


Posted by: penguinsfan

When in the world will HTC start slapping some VGA screens on their PDA phones?

My dream phone: a Cingular 8525 with a VGA screen, a number pad on the front (like the HTC Libra), and GPS. Now THAT I would pay some serious dough for!!


Posted by: maevro

Quote:
Originally Posted by 100thMonkey
MadMonkeyBoy...good service handsdown


Their website looks so ghetto compared to smart mobile gadget's website, but I have heard a few good things from both. I honestly want to wait for thr 8525, ugh.

With the 400 Mhz I can download fulltilt on my phone, this will be my downfall.


Posted by: penguinsfan

Will the Cingular 8525 come with a cradle? I hated that the 8125 did not come with one.


Posted by: Sleuth255

Bad news for people hoping to see the 8525 on 10/5: The v1.34 Cingular ROM (third so far) was just dumped on xda-developers today. It has a build date of 09/22. I'm thinking 11/5 is more likely if this is the final production build. It could very well be the production build too since the fixed buglist was also dumped on xda-developers and was very short (essentially, they just fixed the powersave related battery level bug) compared to the list in the 1.31 ROM.


Posted by: txschafers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
Bad news for people hoping to see the 8525 on 10/5: The v1.34 Cingular ROM (third so far) was just dumped on xda-developers today. It has a build date of 09/22. I'm thinking 11/5 is more likely if this is the final production build. It could very well be the production build too since the fixed buglist was also dumped on xda-developers and was very short (essentially, they just fixed the powersave related battery level bug) compared to the list in the 1.31 ROM.


S#@t....D$%n Cingular!!!!

I give up.....I am going back to a blanket and smoke signals!!!


Posted by: maevro

Quote:
Originally Posted by penguinsfan
Will the Cingular 8525 come with a cradle? I hated that the 8125 did not come with one.


I don't think so because I saw websites with 8125 accessories already and they were selling cradles, like the ones they sell for the 8125. Seeing this, I would have to assume that it will not come with one.


Posted by: rkorzuch

I just installed the new 1.34 rom dated 9/22 on my TyTN. PTT still doesn't work so this is definitely not the final rom.


Posted by: rkorzuch

Quote:
Originally Posted by penguinsfan
Will the Cingular 8525 come with a cradle? I hated that the 8125 did not come with one.


I highly doubt it will have a cradle. Cingular loves to sell accessories.


Posted by: goestoeleven

Unfortunately no Hermes devices come with a cradle at this time... Amazingly, HTC isn't even making one!


Posted by: goestoeleven

Quote:
Originally Posted by txschafers
S#@t....D$%n Cingular!!!!

I give up.....I am going back to a blanket and smoke signals!!!


You've been resisting calls to get a TyTN... How much longer must you suffer needlessly?


Posted by: KlamshellKing

is reception with the tytn like the best youve had with anyother phone? and is the front made of metal?? and it feels much smaller than the 8125 right


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by rkorzuch
I just installed the new 1.34 rom dated 9/22 on my TyTN. PTT still doesn't work so this is definitely not the final rom.
PTT still isn't working? WTF?


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
Bad news for people hoping to see the 8525 on 10/5: The v1.34 Cingular ROM (third so far) was just dumped on xda-developers today. It has a build date of 09/22. I'm thinking 11/5 is more likely if this is the final production build. It could very well be the production build too since the fixed buglist was also dumped on xda-developers and was very short (essentially, they just fixed the powersave related battery level bug) compared to the list in the 1.31 ROM.


WTF !!!! Cingular #$@#$^%#$Y$%$%^&


Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
PTT still isn't working? WTF?


i heard that when the 8525 is supposed to be released that ptt wont be working. it is supposed to be up and running after a while because it is 3g ptt


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen
i heard that when the 8525 is supposed to be released that ptt wont be working. it is supposed to be up and running after a while because it is 3g ptt
For the sake of the release of the 8525 and our sanity, I hope you're right.


Posted by: Sleuth255

The poster who dumped all the new 8525 ROMs at xda-developers just stated:

"8525 release is anytime after October 9.
No PTT it will come after launch"


Posted by: pidrissi

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
The poster who dumped all the new 8525 ROMs at xda-developers just stated:

"8525 release is anytime after October 9.
No PTT it will come after launch"



Columbus Day...How fitting! As an American of Italian descent I think it's a fitting day to welcome this unit's arrival. Ofcourse, I have a TyTN so I guess my opinion is moot!


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
The poster who dumped all the new 8525 ROMs at xda-developers just stated:

"8525 release is anytime after October 9.
No PTT it will come after launch"


This is definitely some good news .. after being dumped upon with a new ROM ..


Posted by: Sleuth255

As a 1.31 ROM user upgraded from 1.18 TyTN base, I have to say that I don't feel dumped on at all. Here:

Better radio reception on GSM (haven't tried UMTS yet)
Roaming triangle fixed
Better device performance
TCPMP Audio stutter fixed
multiple low battery warning tones fixed
faster bluetooth pairing with my car handsfree.

I lost Button5 to the PTT feature, but I'll get that back just as soon as I crack PTTServiceNotYet.dll.....

I'm happy....


Posted by: GSMspot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
The poster who dumped all the new 8525 ROMs at xda-developers just stated:

"8525 release is anytime after October 9.
No PTT it will come after launch"



A local Cingular store flunkie here in Austin, TX said today that she had checked on the 8525 on behalf of several customers here asking for it. She is saying/was told "late October." This info is worth every dollar you paid for it...


Posted by: Sleuth255

Here's something to ponder:

"8525 release is anytime after October 9"

is exactly the same as

"8525 release won't be before October 10".

The only thing that this guy factually said was this:

The Oct 5 release speculation is incorrect.


Posted by: RF9

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
The poster who dumped all the new 8525 ROMs at xda-developers just stated:

"8525 release is anytime after October 9.
No PTT it will come after launch"

Does that mean that it will not ship without PTT (and therefore it may be even later than Oct 9 until it's working?)
Or does that mean a PTT fix won't be available after release?
Maybe I should go to the forum and ask.
I'm confused.


Posted by: imnotoriousjoe

I think he means that ptt wont be available until after launch.....new rom...but the button will still be on the phone....just has no use until sometime after launch


Posted by: RF9

Yeah I just found a post he answered this
"No PTT in the initial release. I'm (just) now hearing that Cingular's PTT feature will be 3G based. It will be included in a subsequent 8525 update. No doubt, this will be tied in part to general 3G availability on Cingular's network."
This is good news, actually. It means they won't hold up the release of the 8525 to wait for PTT. So if the 1.34 is the release candidate, it could potentially be no later than mid Oct. Just trying to stay optomistic.


Posted by: gravejoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by RF9
Yeah I just found a post he answered this
"No PTT in the initial release. I'm (just) now hearing that Cingular's PTT feature will be 3G based. It will be included in a subsequent 8525 update. No doubt, this will be tied in part to general 3G availability on Cingular's network."
This is good news, actually. It means they won't hold up the release of the 8525 to wait for PTT. So if the 1.34 is the release candidate, it could potentially be no later than mid Oct. Just trying to stay optomistic.



This actually makes a whole lot of sense. PTT over 3G would be much more scalable and much better compared to basing it on old technology ..

Haven't seen the official release notes yet .. Also, RF9 .. where did you see this post?


Posted by: penguinsfan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth255
The poster who dumped all the new 8525 ROM