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V3m: move music files on phone to ringtones
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Posted by: hokieguy

i have already used wmp10 to sync with my V3m to transfer music files to the phone that are borrowed ringtones, but how do i get the files to be recognized as a selectable ringtone and not a music file listed under "get tones and tunes" menu?

Posted by: jlbrightbill

What's the file format? Qcp? Wma? They need to be mp3 or mid, and you may need to edit the seem to enable the Apply as Ringtone option menu option.

Posted by: hokieguy

the files are wma's from tranfering them to the phone thru wmp10........what suggestions do you have for a piece of software that can convert an entire folder of wma's to mp3 format?

thanks

Posted by: jlbrightbill

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Originally Posted by hokieguy

the files are wma's from tranfering them to the phone thru wmp10........what suggestions do you have for a piece of software that can convert an entire folder of wma's to mp3 format?

thanks

iTunes

Just make sure the encoding settings are on mp3.

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by hokieguy

i have already used wmp10 to sync with my V3m to transfer music files to the phone that are borrowed ringtones, but how do i get the files to be recognized as a selectable ringtone and not a music file listed under "get tones and tunes" menu?

If they are on your phone as WMA, you can't use them as ring tones.

You would have to use something like MPT, BitPim or P2KCommander to place the Mp3's onto your phone in the proper location to be able to use them as ring tones...

another way is suggested in this thread -> http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=934864

Posted by: fblaha

I am not a very savvy modder (an old fogy, inf act). I managed MPT to recognize my brand-new Verizon V3m (thanks to Mark's explicit instructions), but when I try to move some mp3 pieces I had edited before for my GSM Razr with MPT, I get a "no connection" message, though I could transfer my Outlook contacts and my Calendar.
I thought I was SOL with the ringtones, but I keep reading in the Forums about MPT working after all, or e-mailing them to my phone. Is there anything I have not found yet? I am not at all confident enough to do "seem edits," whatever they are.
I'd appreciate any pertinent links or instructions.

Posted by: chuckmxr

you have to encode them with more compression bit rate of 44 kbs or i believe 64 kbp will work i have put mp3's with this bitrate on my 1 gig transflash card and used them as ringtones did my 2742 seem edit to turn on mpt file transfer and sent them right to my card, the posts and the help here are awesome, i am a network guy at work but new to the phone stuff, but it has been very easy following the right threads here, i got file transfer, backlight to continuous, and play 192 kps mp3's from my transflash card, have gotten video length figured out yet but i will....... chuck

Posted by: chuckmxr

also is you change your file extension to .mid you cam mms a ringtone and apply it as one...... works for me

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by fblaha

I am not a very savvy modder (an old fogy, inf act). I managed MPT to recognize my brand-new Verizon V3m (thanks to Mark's explicit instructions), but when I try to move some mp3 pieces I had edited before for my GSM Razr with MPT, I get a "no connection" message, though I could transfer my Outlook contacts and my Calendar.
I thought I was SOL with the ringtones, but I keep reading in the Forums about MPT working after all, or e-mailing them to my phone. Is there anything I have not found yet? I am not at all confident enough to do "seem edits," whatever they are.
I'd appreciate any pertinent links or instructions.

Did you do BOTH parts of what is needed to get MPT to work??

part 1... seem edit the phone (seem 2742, offset 6a, bit 0... check the box...) WHen doing the seem edit, if you followed the guide, did you actually change the 041A seem number to 2742? most people forget that...

part 2... make MPT see your phone as the "M" model (there are 3 ways... 1. manually change to V3CM or V3MM, 2. Do the Phone ID Seem edit, or 3. edit MPT's Detect.inf file)...

You must do BOTH... some people only do one...

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by chuckmxr

you have to encode them with more compression bit rate of 44 kbs or i believe 64 kbp will work..

Actually, many encoding options work...

But the phones really like Constant Bit Rate, Mpeg 1.0 Layer 3 (as reported by WinAMP's file info option) files without ID tags..

Posted by: fblaha

Thanks for all your suggestions. Some of this transfer rate stuff is Greek to me :-(

Mark, all I did was follow the instructions about dowloading the drivertool; now MPT lets me connect to my V3m manually, i.e. after failing to recognize automatically, I put in the Motorola USB Modem manually and choose the V3cm from the list of Motorola CDMA devices. That gets me the menu and lets me do the Phonebook and Calendar. Balks at the ringtones, though.
Quite honestly, I am too scared to do the seem edits, even though your instructions look foolproof. I really don't want to fry my new phone and I am not particularly set on having the Bluetooth transfers.
In any case, I will try the e-mail transfer via vzmpix and changing the extension to .mid as

you suggest elsewhere. That still leaves the file an mp3, right? Pretty chintzy of Verizon not to allow mp3 transfers straight up!?

Thanks for helping.

Franz

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by fblaha

Mark, all I did was follow the instructions about dowloading the drivertool;

Then you didn't completely follow the MPT guides on my pages... They tell you EXACTLY what needs to be done...

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Originally Posted by fblaha

now MPT lets me connect to my V3m manually, i.e. after failing to recognize automatically, I put in the Motorola USB Modem manually and choose the V3cm from the list of Motorola CDMA devices. That gets me the menu and lets me do the Phonebook and Calendar. Balks at the ringtones, though.

If you haven't seem edited, yes, you will have problems trying to transfer ring tones, picts, etc...

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Originally Posted by fblaha

Quite honestly, I am too scared to do the seem edits, even though your instructions look foolproof. I really don't want to fry my new phone and I am not particularly set on having the Bluetooth transfers.

Without seem editing the phone, you will NOT be able to use MultiMedia Studio inside MPT.... Verizon disables this feature on the phone itself...

That is the point of the 2742/offset 6A/Bit0 seem edit. to re-enable this on the phone.

As my MPT page says...

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Note: For the Verizon V710/E815/V3C(.03/,04)/V3M Even if displayed, the Multimedia Studio feature will not work unless you do the Seem Edit Bluetooth Or USB file transfer in MPT. Offset 006A, Bit 0. to seem 041A on the V710, 2742 on the E815/V3C(.03/.04)/V3M as outlined on the Popular Seem Edit Page

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Originally Posted by fblaha

In any case, I will try the e-mail transfer via vzmpix and changing the extension to .mid as

you suggest elsewhere. That still leaves the file an mp3, right? Pretty chintzy of Verizon not to allow mp3 transfers straight up!?

Yes, renaming (or changing the extension) does NOT convert or otherwise alter the file... But it does allow the file to make it thru the VZWPIX.COM system and get to your phone properly

Without seem editing... You can try bitpim v9, or email... that is it... You can also try P2KCommander, but its more complex as it requires PST or MSU running in the background, navigating the file system, adding the file, then deleting the MyToneDB.DB file (which also re-indexes all ring tones, so you mess up your RINGER ID's), and restart the phone.

Posted by: chuckmxr

the kps thing is set when your ripping your cd, when you set the location you want the file to be created there is a setting for bitrate, it is usually set for 128 kbs, it should be 64kbs at the most to work as a ringtone, also all my ringtones are less that 20 seconds long, i think that is a requirement also

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by chuckmxr

the kps thing is set when your ripping your cd, when you set the location you want the file to be created there is a setting for bitrate, it is usually set for 128 kbs, it should be 64kbs at the most to work as a ringtone, also all my ringtones are less that 20 seconds long, i think that is a requirement also

That is incorrect.

Bit rate does NOT have to be 64kbps at most... and they do NOT have to be under 20seconds..

Requirements for MP3 ringtones... (as stated on the file format link on my pages)...

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While any MP3 file should work, I have found it is best if the ringer is a Constant Bit Rate (CBR), Mpeg 1.0 Layer 3 (as reported by File Info in WinAMP), 20 to 25 seconds as a maximum Length and no ID3 tag. While I have used MP3's encoded as 32kbits/22kHZ/mono, 48kbits/44kHz/mono, 64kbits/22Khz/Mono, 64kbits/24kHz/Stereo, and even 192kbits/44khz/stereo, I have found for the best balance between file size, quality and compatibility to use 48kbits/44kHz/Mono. Note: Some MP3 files I have that were reported as Mpeg 2.0 Layer 3 and Mpeg 2.5 Layer 3 in WinAMP and will NOT REPEAT on the phone, will "stutter" or "skip" or simply do NOT play. After conversion to Mpeg 1.0 Layer 3 and removal of all ID3 tags, they all work fine

Now these are just "guidelines" of what works 100% of the time... and you can stray from them and still manage to find something that works...

Keep in mind.. the 30 second rule... the phone rings for about 30 seconds before the caller is picked up by voice mail... So ring tones longer than 30 seconds just waste space. Again as stated on my file format page

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Note: (for Verizon) the phone will only ring for about 25-30 seconds before the call goes to voice mail, so any part of the sound after that time will not play when using as a ringtone. Now, if you have the phone set for Vibrate then Ring, it plays even less of the ringer sound. This is due to the time spent vibrating before it starts playing the ringtone. So ring tones longer than about 25-30 seconds are just wasting space in the phone.

Yes, I have some 40 second 192kbit/44khz/Stereo CBR Mp3's on my phone and they work JUST FINE as ring tones... ok, only the first 30seconds play due to Voice mail taking over, BUT they work!!

And I have some 3 minute MIDI files that I use a ring tones... again, only the first 30 seconds play... but they work!

If you want to email them to your phone, then you have to worry about file size... i.e. "size on disk" as you can't email bigger than 350kbytes per message... Stay below 325kbytes to play it safe.

But if you make your ring tones 30 seconds or less, 48Kbit/44kHz/Mono, they will be 275kbytes or under!!

Posted by: chuckmxr

mine play with id3v1 or v2 tags

Posted by: chuckmxr

p.s. mark i used your infor to almost effortlessly (is that a word) edit a seem to allow mp3 file transfer using either bluetooth or cable, i did not have any luck with the backlight seem though, went to a black screen after 2 mins and had to close and open my v3m to get the backlight to come back on.... any ideas

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by chuckmxr

mine play with id3v1 or v2 tags

Like I said...

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Originally Posted by Mark_Venture

Now these are just "guidelines" of what works 100% of the time... and you can stray from them and still manage to find something that works...

And I am using some previews I DL'd from vztones.com site.. they do have ID tags in them... and they appear to also work... Then again, they are about 30 seconds, so I don't know if they have the "wont repeat" problem..

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Originally Posted by chuckmxr

i did not have any luck with the backlight seem though, went to a black screen after 2 mins and had to close and open my v3m to get the backlight to come back on.... any ideas

Are you talking about..
Offset 7D Bit 5 - Changes backlight times to 20, 40, 60, seconds and Continuous =ON

If so, please read the text that begins that section....

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UNTESTED 2742 Seem edits (I have NOT personally tested these yet, but I believe they will work on the E815 and Alltel V3C... They may or MAY NOT work on the Verizon V3C/V3M firmware!!)

Notice that last sentance....

Posted by: chuckmxr

i am trying to do too many things at once, bad habit, so i guess you can add that the v3m seem edit for the baclight does not work....lol thanks again though mark you have enabled me to get my phone to do most of what i ask it to do thanks to you

Posted by: joeyd1024

hey i got my V3M to have the 20 40 60 annd continuous option under backlight ... my continuous works ... just used the v3c edit

Posted by: fblaha

Is Mark's e-mail method for getting ringtones also applicable for a V325, i.e. changing file extension to .mid, mail to vzmpix,etc.?
I did this with great success on my V3m, using Audacity as my mp3 editing program -- price is right and works great.
I assume that MPT for the V325 is equally disabled as for the V3m?

Franz

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by fblaha

Is Mark's e-mail method for getting ringtones also applicable for a V325, i.e. changing file extension to .mid, mail to vzmpix,etc.?
I did this with great success on my V3m, using Audacity as my mp3 editing program -- price is right and works great.
I assume that MPT for the V325 is equally disabled as for the V3m?

Franz

The email trick SHOULD work fine with the V325, just like it does on the V3M...

You can seem edit the V325 and make it work with MPT via USB cable also... there is a thread on this...

Posted by: fblaha

Worked just fine; however the ringtone volume after the install seemed a little diminished, though not truly horrible. Is there a fix that allows to crank up the ringtone volume on a V325? I am bgeginning to think that you "modders" can do almost anything

Franz

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by fblaha

Worked just fine; however the ringtone volume after the install seemed a little diminished, though not truly horrible. Is there a fix that allows to crank up the ringtone volume on a V325? I am bgeginning to think that you "modders" can do almost anything

Franz

Only way on CDMA phones.. use an audio editor on the PC to adjust the volume or amplitude in the file itself BEFORE you transfer it to the phone...

Posted by: chuckmxr

if you use music match you can do a volume leveling feature in it, i use a audio program called acid pro, and you can eq, and set the volume to the ringtones sound quite good

Posted by: viperpro

you can always just edit a song file and save it as an mp3 then xfer it to the phone through p2k.

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by viperpro

you can always just edit a song file and save it as an mp3 then xfer it to the phone through p2k.

careful when you abbreviate P2k... there is P2KManager, P2KTools, P2KCommander, P2KMenu Editor, P2kSeem, P2KSeem for V710.. just to name a few... P2Kcommander works, but P2KManager, P2KTools, P2KMenu Editor... do NOT...

and when using P2KCommander, you must also delete the mytonedb.db file which re-indexes your ring tones... meaning you have to re-do all your ringer ID's... some people don't want that hassel...

Posted by: W6RLF

There is a comment here about a seem edit to apply as ringtone. I haven't seen that one anywhere else. Can anyone provide details?