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Posted by: mitsubishiman

I had a guy walk into my store with one. It is a crazy device. No IMEI, prototype for sure. The sticker in the back said 8100 and the battey was a yellow RIM battery.

From what I saw.

It had a memory slot. Camera and flash.

It was as slim as the SLVR L7 maybe a bit thicker... had a very nice feel to it.

I could not take pictures but he might be coming back next week so then I will take some for sure.

Posted by: Bcollins521

Man, if there is a BB with a camera I will definatly jump ship over to BB...too bad it's not comming out like next month

Posted by: chuck232

There's definitely going to be a camera. From what I've heard it's already been in testing for a few months. (the joys of going to school at UWaterloo...) Should probably be released in the Fall based on comments from the CEO.

I'm glad it's going to be thin! What's the Q going to have on the BB now?

Posted by: Bcollins521

Is it going to be GSM first or CDMA??

Posted by: hitty

Quote:

Originally Posted by mitsubishiman

I had a guy walk into my store with one. It is a crazy device. No IMEI, prototype for sure. The sticker in the back said 8100 and the battey was a yellow RIM battery.

From what I saw.

It had a memory slot. Camera and flash.

It was as slim as the SLVR L7 maybe a bit thicker... had a very nice feel to it.

I could not take pictures but he might be coming back next week so then I will take some for sure.

There are rumours of BlackBerry releasing a device codename:STEALTH later this year, with all the above features. Im thinking its the 8100 you've seen.
Its also been refered to as the 8180 unoffically. Cant wait!!!

Posted by: chuck232

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bcollins520

Is it going to be GSM first or CDMA??

Well, if the Stealth's this new device, then GSM (Cingular).

Posted by: hitty

There are two new devices in the pipeline - merely code named, one is called the "Stealth" the other is called the "Viper". Both will be SureType and GPRS/EDGE (no 3G), Both devices will be aimed at the consumer market. What I'm hearing at the moment is that the Stealth will include an MP3 player and camera. The Viper will be similar to the Stealth, except it will trade the camera for a Micro SD slot. It appears the Stealth is planned for release in the October / November timeframe.

Posted by: IanHummel

Great, I was all hyped up, then I got to hitty's post and find out it's a SureType deivce..... MAKE A QWERTY one already!

Posted by: Synncere

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitty

There are rumours of BlackBerry releasing a device codename:STEALTH later this year, with all the above features.

The Stealth won't have a camera.

Posted by: chuck232

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitty

There are two new devices in the pipeline - merely code named, one is called the "Stealth" the other is called the "Viper". Both will be SureType and GPRS/EDGE (no 3G), Both devices will be aimed at the consumer market. What I'm hearing at the moment is that the Stealth will include an MP3 player and camera. The Viper will be similar to the Stealth, except it will trade the camera for a Micro SD slot. It appears the Stealth is planned for release in the October / November timeframe.

Crap, definitely need a CDMA version here...

Seems sort of redundant to have an MP3 player and camera without expandable memory no?

Posted by: RobDog

The 7520 by Nextel get older and heavier each day I use it......that speaks volumes as to how much I value the BB service and 2-way radio.

I need a SMALLER (no antena) qwerty phone with a nice color screen, and PTT....IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR????

Posted by: GregGebhardt

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobDog

The 7520 by Nextel get older and heavier each day I use it......that speaks volumes as to how much I value the BB service and 2-way radio.

I need a SMALLER (no antena) qwerty phone with a nice color screen, and PTT....IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR????

Be aptient and do not jump ship. I ahve several times and have always come back to my 7520. For Nextel users who want Blackberry service, it is still by far the best!!!

Posted by: osa500

if it comes to t-mo i have to get it

Posted by: hitty

check this link for whats about to come from RIM by the end of the year!!!!!

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1983066,00.asp

Posted by: anfbro25

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitty

check this link for whats about to come from RIM by the end of the year!!!!!

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1983066,00.asp

Interesting. I hope its nextels turn to get a new one. I'll give my mom my 7100i.

Posted by: GregGebhardt

The only thing that would get me to give up my 7520 would be a 8702 for Nextel.

Posted by: hitty

Blackberry patent on new camera phone:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=951456

Posted by: briareus

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck232

Seems sort of redundant to have an MP3 player and camera without expandable memory no?

Um, no. Redundant would be having a camera and a camera or having an SD slot and an SD slot.

Posted by: chuck232

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Originally Posted by briareus

Um, no. Redundant would be having a camera and a camera or having an SD slot and an SD slot.

Okay, wasn't thinking when posting that... I was thinking more... pointless?

Posted by: b2b bbsales

If rim brings out a mp3, and camera / slot....is will be of a current version....the reason for a lack of this so far has been the business philosyphy.........business doesnt need a mp3 player, and company secrets, and harrasment issues get cloudy when camera's are involved, as well as lost data can be a bad thing when your sd card goes missing.....now mind you a mp3 player is now comming into its own in the business world,,,,with pod casts and company audio letters....so I have heard that this might be a new addition to all....but the others are a hard sell to the base of BBusers, and company execs

Posted by: boblincoln

Tell that dang customer to come back in so you can take a picture. I'm mucho excited to see what it looks like.

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Originally Posted by mitsubishiman

Posted by: hitty

It would appear that patent mentioned earlier is not a BlackBerry with a camera in it all. It looks like the “Image Capture” that RIM was talking about is a new feature that would allow pictures to be transferred directly from a digital camera to a BlackBerry.

I just dont get it, allowing me to transfer my pictures from my camera to my BlackBerry isn’t a compelling enough reason for me to start carrying a digital camera everywhere I go. Who does??

The point is to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, as mobile phones have proven so far.

Posted by: option94

Wow, and i just got my 7130. Looks like im gonna have to fork over some more cash to cingular.

Posted by: EChid

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Originally Posted by b2b bbsales

If rim brings out a mp3, and camera / slot....is will be of a current version....the reason for a lack of this so far has been the business philosyphy.........business doesnt need a mp3 player, and company secrets, and harrasment issues get cloudy when camera's are involved, as well as lost data can be a bad thing when your sd card goes missing.....now mind you a mp3 player is now comming into its own in the business world,,,,with pod casts and company audio letters....so I have heard that this might be a new addition to all....but the others are a hard sell to the base of BBusers, and company execs

For me, putting a camera on a Blackberry would make me give up on hopes of a Hiptop3 or GSM Motorola Q completely. RIM will not have a hard time selling BB with cameras, since the will be aimed squarely at the consumer market (like me), where Blackberries have been gaining recognition slowly. Adding features like an mp3 player and camera will allow many people (like me), who don't want to lose those features, to switch over. This is great news though, as I'm just about to get a 7100 and I have to keep another phone around in case I want something with a camera on it.
Also, I'm guessing that for the business world, RIM will maintain their current lineup of non-camera/mp3 player phones. Very very smart on their part...losing nothing on the business side of things and nothing to lose on the consumer side. No doubt carriers will support this whole heartadly too, given that consumers with bb's + business people with bb's = a lot more money

Posted by: Zro

I don't want to say that mitsubishiman is not telling the truth, but there are a couple of eyebrow raising items in his post that just rub me the wrong way on this....

1) "No IMEI". Ummm...every GSM cell has an IMEI...so either it's not a cellular device or is on CDMA...and in that case it would still have an IMSI.

2) "prototype for sure. The sticker in the back said 8100". Why would a prototype display it's model number so visibly? Heck most prototype and beta's have code names, wouldn't it make more sense to have a code name on the sticker and not the model number?

3) I have a hard time swallowing the idea that someone with a prototype device would just walk into a store, show it off, and take it apart for everyone and anyone to see. And by take it apart I mean remove the battery cover to show the battery, not complete disassembly. I can understand if he was getting a new SIM card or something, but going back to point #1 "No IMEI" he would have no need for a SIM card if it didn't have an IMEI, so why switch SIM cards?

4) If you got to check it out that closely, and were going to post about it, wouldn't you either a) give more details (colour, suretype or qwerty, overall look of it, etc) right in your original post, or b) when people started asking about it, make a reply with more info?

Now he may be completely telling the truth, I don't know, I wasn't there in the store at the time, but some of these things just don't sit right with me.

Zro

Posted by: hitty

True, seems strange that he started this post but has left no further posts, or replies.

Posted by: plz_kill_me

Wirelessly posted (a eight zero zero: BlackBerry7130/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Quote:

Originally Posted by briareus

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck232

Seems sort of redundant to have an MP3 player and camera without expandable memory no?

Um, no. Redundant would be having a camera and a camera or having an SD slot and an SD slot.

Thank you.

Posted by: plz_kill_me

Wirelessly posted (a eight zero zero: BlackBerry7130/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Anyone else worried about this rim making the transition from the scroll wheel to the joystick on the stealth?

Posted by: chuck232

Quote:

Originally Posted by plz_kill_me

Wirelessly posted (a eight zero zero: BlackBerry7130/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Thank you.

No no, thank YOU for pointing out my mistake AGAIN which I had already corrected.

The things people say/do these days to feel superior...

Posted by: CarlGalgano

my 8700 is my first phone in quite a while without a camera, but I have not missed having on a bit. I can do without MP3 as well. I really would like Wifi. Anyone know if the next generation GSM BB will have Wifi. The article in the 2nd or 3rd post in this thread alludes to Wifi, but nothing specific.

Posted by: chuck232

This seems like a pretty good indication of what's in the pipeline (or perhaps even what this 8100 is). I'm hoping they'll take elements from the design of some of the newer 7130 phones.

RIM announces next-gen BlackBerry

Posted by: hitty

Thinner and lighter??? as quoted in the link posted by chuck232.
Maybe like the Nokia E61. Quite light in comparison to the QWERTY range that BlackBerry are currently offering. In fact it seems the build of the new BlackBerry will be taken from the Nokia E61.

Posted by: chuck232

As long as they don't make it out of some flimsy plastic, I'm all for thinner and lighter. I'm also interested in how they're going to market these and the "really big" marketing campaign they're planning. Most people that I know have at least heard of the BlackBerry, but they brush it off as a business device that doesn't benefit them. RIM has to change that mentality if they want to enter the general consumer market.

Posted by: BoyGenius

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zro

I don't want to say that mitsubishiman is not telling the truth, but there are a couple of eyebrow raising items in his post that just rub me the wrong way on this....

1) "No IMEI". Ummm...every GSM cell has an IMEI...so either it's not a cellular device or is on CDMA...and in that case it would still have an IMSI.

2) "prototype for sure. The sticker in the back said 8100". Why would a prototype display it's model number so visibly? Heck most prototype and beta's have code names, wouldn't it make more sense to have a code name on the sticker and not the model number?

3) I have a hard time swallowing the idea that someone with a prototype device would just walk into a store, show it off, and take it apart for everyone and anyone to see. And by take it apart I mean remove the battery cover to show the battery, not complete disassembly. I can understand if he was getting a new SIM card or something, but going back to point #1 "No IMEI" he would have no need for a SIM card if it didn't have an IMEI, so why switch SIM cards?

4) If you got to check it out that closely, and were going to post about it, wouldn't you either a) give more details (colour, suretype or qwerty, overall look of it, etc) right in your original post, or b) when people started asking about it, make a reply with more info?

Now he may be completely telling the truth, I don't know, I wasn't there in the store at the time, but some of these things just don't sit right with me.

Zro

Plently of prototypes dont have IMEIs, for instance a prototype motorola phone if SIM locked will unlock with 0000000, or 123456 because there is NO IMEI, I go into stores to show my friends prototypes all the time, why is that out of the question? Everything he said links up with the new camera blackberry...not positive on exact model but dont flip out on em...

Posted by: hitty

A CrackBerryAddict that goes by the name of Dawg over on BlackBerry Forums says that T-Mobile will be coming out with a BlackBerry with a camera, or CameraBerry as I like to call it, in September.

This lucky Dawg, pun intended, actually got to hold the CameraBerry in his own two hands. He claims that the device is a bit bigger than an iPod Nano but smaller than the 71XX BlackBerry models, has a joystick instead of a thumb wheel, has a full QWERTY keyboard, and a memoryslot.

Dawg also said that a video of Jack Jack from The Incredibles was playing on the device and the clarity of the screen was “Amazing”. The CameraBerry supposedly takes better pictures than Dawg’s Samsung digital and has a 5X zoom.

Posted by: EChid

umm, can anyone say exaggeration

Posted by: goldsaint

the best name would be : the ''razrmeraberry'' (looks like the name of a grandma)

blackberry + camera + razortype.

Posted by: pgc

As long as they don't call it a dingleberry it's all good!

I'm waiting on an 8702i if they ever come out....[please oh please oh please oh please]

Posted by: RIMarkable

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitty

A CrackBerryAddict that goes by the name of Dawg over on BlackBerry Forums says that T-Mobile will be coming out with a BlackBerry with a camera, or CameraBerry as I like to call it, in September.

This lucky Dawg, pun intended, actually got to hold the CameraBerry in his own two hands. He claims that the device is a bit bigger than an iPod Nano but smaller than the 71XX BlackBerry models, has a joystick instead of a thumb wheel, has a full QWERTY keyboard, and a memoryslot.

Dawg also said that a video of Jack Jack from The Incredibles was playing on the device and the clarity of the screen was “Amazing”. The CameraBerry supposedly takes better pictures than Dawg’s Samsung digital and has a 5X zoom.

For some reason, this sounds very familiar... I just can't put my finger on it.
http://www.rimarkable.com/archives/801

Posted by: hitty

Quote:

Originally Posted by RIMarkable

For some reason, this sounds very familiar... I just can't put my finger on it.
http://www.rimarkable.com/archives/801

Sorry RIMarkable, didnt intend to steal your post, just bring information to this forum. All credits are of course to your site and Blackberry Forums.

Posted by: Zro

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyGenius

If it's used on a GSM network and is able to make/receive calls (or in the case of a BlackBerry, send/receive data) it HAS to have an IMEI. SIM locks have absolutely nothing to do with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imei

An IMEI is used to access the network. It's almost like saying "I have a computer on the internet, but it doesn't have an IP address" It just can't happen.

And I wasn't flipping out on him, just saying that it's not possible for a cellular phone to be active on a GSM network and not have an IMEI. I was simply saying that some of the things don't sit well with me. For all I know, this guy really did come into his store and show him his "prototype" BlackBerry...I don't know for sure, I wasn't there.

Heck, maybe he just got his terminology wrong and meant to say that it didn't have some other identifying number...but if the product is far enough along to have a model number, and it's actually being used, then it has to have an IMEI if it's on a GSM network.

Zro

Posted by: The Roc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zro

you are incorrect.

I've seen plenty of phones that don't have imei's before the device is in commercial production.

Boy genius is referring to phones that are carrier locked (before production) as in prototypes.

Even though the phones are "sim locked" to the specific carrier, they can be unlocked by using the default unlock code of "000000" or "123456" when going thru the unlock sequence. The unlock code only works becuase of the device having no imei number.

If the phone was assigned an imei, the unlock code would be based of the computer assigned algorithm, which is a complex number.

Posted by: BoyGenius

exactly...IMEIs dont mean anything in terms of getting on the cell phone network, aslong as your sim is valid they dont give a rats ***...

Posted by: GregGebhardt

I have had many prototype iden phones with 01010101010..... as the IMEI

They worked just fine, not one "expired"

Posted by: donovan1983

I'm not so sure I'd be excited about a BlackBerry with a camera. Although I would have liked to have a camera on my BlackBerry a few times, my experience with camera phones is that they are so slow to launch the picture application that by the time the thing is ready to take a picture the moment you wanted to take a picture of has passed. I only had one phone that took even half-acceptable pictures, the otherwise problem-plagued LG MM535, and all the other ones I have had were simply terrible.

A memory card is a different story. I really do have a use for that, to make programs like a mobile photo album and an ebook reader truly useful on there. Or to be able to be able to backup memory contents in case for some reason I have to reformat the device while away from my computer.

All of the features on my BlackBerry 8700g work very well and I don't want any half-***** features added to it. That is one of the main things I love about my 8700 is that it just works. No fussing around with it, no constant waiting to go from one program to another, and no constant encountering of bugs or incomplete features. It is fast, stable, and consistent (if not always the easiest) to use. My BB is strictly for personal use and has become a very valuable tool to me.

A multimedia BlackBerry might very well become a hit among consumers, and I'd have no problems with that, but my experience with multimedia phones has been less than stellar this far and my "simple" BlackBerry has shown me that a smartphone or PDA device can truly give you the best of having a cellphone and (non-multimedia) PDA with you all the time, without compromising significantly on the functionality of either. So long as RIM keeps making units like the 8700 I'll stick with them. If the BlackBerry platform becomes used by a wider audience then that will mean lots more programs and accesories for it, which is definitely a good thing. Just so long as RIM keeps producing the "professional" handhelds when they introduce the consumer ones.

Posted by: chuck232

I doubt they'd replace the 8700 with the '8100' or whatever. Reason being that many corps still don't allow camera phones into the office. I'm sure RIM wouldn't alienate their largest customer base.

Posted by: T2-T-mo

I had a Chance to view this Prototype in a video presenation!

Its really nice and all the features we have been looking for camera,Wifi, etc.
Its 7100 stlye as stated before but looks real attractive. (makes me wanna cheat on my 8700) lol

Their is a new naming convention that is being associated with this device(which i cant say). Seems like they are kinda moving away from the number naming although at the beginning of the video I beleive they did refer to it as the 8100

I was told tmobile is gonna be first to market with this device, but thinking to myself this contradicts with boygenuis cingular release statment

This vid was so confidential that you are only able to VPN into RIM and view (stream it)it AKA you cant download it.

We may also start seeing Blackberry commecials down the road as well. many RIM employees are grumbling about not seeing any commecials on the blackberry brand in general.

Posted by: ShirtNinja

How does one get to see the presentation?

Posted by: osa500

Quote:

This vid was so confidential that you are only able to VPN into RIM and view (stream it)it AKA you cant download it.

.....

Posted by: nationalexec

I've used it and it's a swell device. I think getting use to the trackball which is identical to the SK3 will be the toughest challenge.. I'm a huge fan of the scroll wheel, aka jog dial. The camera has amazing pic capabilities for a 1st gen cam for a new-to-market blackberry. You guys will be happy to use it.. especially, if you use 71xx series. Will not be replacing my 8700 just yet..

Posted by: Profet

with so many people "using" and "seeing" this device....

SHOW ME THE SPY SHOTS!

Come on... someone take some spy shots of this thing. I don't care if you do screen grabs of a streaming video or take fuzzy camera shots...someone has to leak some real images of these things if so many people have seen them.

Posted by: Zro

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyGenius

exactly...IMEIs dont mean anything in terms of getting on the cell phone network, aslong as your sim is valid they dont give a rats ***...

IMEI has nothing to do with a phone being locked or not. Ever think that a prototype phone might just be locked with a different algorithem?

You show me a GSM phone that can make/receive calls and when you type *#06# does not have an IMEI listed then I will reconsider. SIM cards only determine what authorization you have for the network you are connected to. How would the cellular provider know what phone to direct a call to when it's coming in if it didn't have an IMEI?

Every GSM phone must have an IMEI to make/receive calls. The SIM card is your account info, but the IMEI is the address of the phone.

But don't just take my word for it, look at the actual specs for GSM...I've done a lot of the harder work and actually found the TS for you...here's the info...

"A unique International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) shall be allocated to each mobile subscriber in the GSM system."
From http://webapp.etsi.org/action/PU/20...003v030400p.pdf
Which is the technical specifications for Digital cellular telecommunications system (Phase 2+) (GSM)

What is an IMEI you ask?
http://www.cellular.co.za/ieminumbers.htm

Oh, but wait, maybe that's not "official" enough for you...take this snip...

"As described in GSM 02.17, an MS can only be operated if a valid "International Mobile Subscriber Identity" (IMSI) is present. An IMSI is primarily intended for obtaining information on the use of the GSM network by subscribers for individual charging purposes.
Besides the IMSI, the implementation of IMEI is found necessary in order to obtain knowledge about the presence of specific mobile station equipment in the network, disregarding whatever subscribers are making use of these equipments"

This was taken from the 3gpp Technical specs (it's a word doc, but the zip can be downloaded from http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archi...16/0216-500.zip)

Anyone else want to say that the technical specs for GSM don't require an IMEI?

Make sure you have the info to support your claims. Not everything people say is true just because they say it, or have been right in the past.

EDIT: Oh, forgot something...I'll report my phone as stolen, have the IMEI blacklisted, then give it to you to put your SIM in. Tell me if you can use it if the provider doesn't care at all about the IMEI.

Zro

Posted by: BoyGenius

IMSI is the sim card dude, just back down your wrong, look who your arguing with the BOY FREAKIN GENIUS! I get protos with NO IMEIS all day long man, this isnt even worth responding to. I will never respond to one of your posts again.

Posted by: phillyslickster

Quote:

Originally Posted by nationalexec

I've used it and it's a swell device. I think getting use to the trackball which is identical to the SK3 will be the toughest challenge.. I'm a huge fan of the scroll wheel, aka jog dial. The camera has amazing pic capabilities for a 1st gen cam for a new-to-market blackberry. You guys will be happy to use it.. especially, if you use 71xx series. Will not be replacing my 8700 just yet..

Does that mean that you're saying this is a suretype device?

Posted by: Zro

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyGenius

IMSI is the sim card dude, just back down your wrong, look who your arguing with the BOY FREAKIN GENIUS! I get protos with NO IMEIS all day long man, this isnt even worth responding to. I will never respond to one of your posts again.

Did you even bother to take a look at the technical specs for GSM? In order for that phone to be able to make/receive calls, it has to have an IMEI. If it's a complete prototype and doesn't have an IMEI, it will not make/receive calls.

IMSI comes from SIM card, yes, but the IMEI is in the actual phone. Check the technical specs that I posted the link to, it says that an IMEI is required.

No offense, but I don't care who you are, when you're wrong, you're wrong. Just becasue you have been right in the past about upcoming devices (which I'm not arguing if you're right or wrong about any type of rumor about an upcoming device), does not mean that you know everything there is to know about GSM. And if your defense is simply "I'm too good to respond to you" then that's really not a good defense. And it definitely does not mean that just because YOU say it that it's right.

I challenge you to find me one piece of technical documentation that says you do not need an IMEI on a GSM phone for it to function as a phone.

But you won't accept because either 1) You think you're too good to reply, or 2) You can't do it and don't want to admit when you're wrong.

Either way, people can actuall read my post and get the correct information...not that it's correct becasue I said it was, but because they looked at the technical specs and found that what I said is right.

IMSI = International Mobile Subscriber Identifier
IMEI = International Mobile Equipment Identifier

IMSI identifies you on the network, and the IMEI identifies your phone. It's like a MAC address on a NIC.

Feel free to ignore me if you want, doesn't make you any more right.

Zro

Posted by: nationalexec

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillyslickster

Does that mean that you're saying this is a suretype device?

The 8100 has a new and "improved" suretype with a greater dictionary. I typed in my last name - which no program has ever picked up, and it was correct with no errors. The downside of the memory placement is that it's located behind the battery. The finish appears to be a problem in that it will rub off, scratch much easier than the previous 71xx models.

Posted by: RMitch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zro

A phone will work fine with an IMEI of all 0's, 1's, 9's etc... A lot of prototypes do come this way. Most prototypes haven't been assigned a TAC (type approval code) yet, which is digits 1-6 of the IMEI and are a unique identifier of the handset model to the network. All 0's etc... will only affect you if the carrier blacklists that IMEI, but blacklisting isn't used much.

Go to the Samsung forum and ask anyone who has flashed their T809 with D820 firmware. They have all had their IMEIs set to all 0's.

FYI
digits 1-6 are type approval code
7-8 are the final assembly country
9-14 are a serial number
and 15 is a spare that can be used, but is usually left "0"

Posted by: serrano_yejo

Look for a camera-phone BlackBerry by this fall. I'll even predict a model name: BlackBerry 8180m. Carrier: Verizon Wireless by Russell Shaw

http://www.bbhub.com/2006/03/26/bla...e-by-september/

Posted by: rugedman

They fail to mention that a UMTS version is currently under test with T-Mobile. Why go back to another Edge phone? Just does not make sense. The T-Mobile network will not be available for a long time, so Cingular will release a HSPDA version before T-Mobile can bring the UMTS version to market. Cingular already has HSPDA on at least three phones and T-Mobile does not even use UMTS on any phone offering.

Posted by: CarlGalgano

I must be the only person who doesnt care about a camera or multi media. I had all that stuff on my Treo650 and after playing around with it and saying "wow, that's cool", I never used it. I have moved from an 8700 to a 7130 and love the form factor with the functionality of a BB. The only feature I could care less about being added to my 7130 would be WiFi for times where Cingular's network is not available.

Posted by: The Roc

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlGalgano

I must be the only person who doesnt care about a camera or multi media. I had all that stuff on my Treo650 and after playing around with it and saying "wow, that's cool", I never used it. I have moved from an 8700 to a 7130 and love the form factor with the functionality of a BB. The only feature I could care less about being added to my 7130 would be WiFi for times where Cingular's network is not available.

I woud love to have a media slot so i can attach different file types (.word,.jpg,.pdf) that i have existing in my media card to an email. I cant't tell you how many times this has happened to me.

You don't need to have a legit IMEI to make or receive calls. My current IMEI is 001000111000001 and I am making and receiving calls just fine. I can even send and receive sms and mms.

Posted by: BoyGenius

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMitch

Thank you for bringing some sense to this thread! How you gonna respond Zro? Huh?? Huh??? Haaa back down kid, your wrong

Posted by: BoyGenius

I woud love to have a media slot so i can attach different file types (.word,.jpg,.pdf) that i have existing in my media card to an email. I cant't tell you how many times this has happened to me.

One of the problems with this is that they have to figure out how to do attachments in the BlackBerry Server. There is something to do about you attaching something from your device and the email not being secure, some crap. GoodLink also does not support attachments.

Posted by: AlwaysOn

Camera isn't important to me (could even be a problem since I visit many businesses monthly), MP3 capabilities would be nice, WiFi would great, but I REALLY want the thinner form factor. So I'll go where ever for his one. So much for the E61 purchase; I'd much rather stay with Blackberry.

Posted by: BoyGenius

Check out the EXCLUSIVE CAMERA BLACKBERRY PICS at engadgetmobile.com

Posted by: iav122003

Postage in 3...2...1

(on my Flickr account so as not to bite Engadget's bandwidth)

Wait for it...

Posted by: iav122003

Posted by: KlamshellKing

what a shame, no jog wheel and suretype... it could have been soooo good. and for the heck of it no UMTS

Posted by: iav122003

Holy crap. I just noticed/thought of that, and I've been looking at these pictures all morning...

WHERE ARE THOU, JOG WHEEL?

Posted by: KlamshellKing

seriously... blackberry is sooo dumb, the one thing they had going for them was the jogwheel. the only difference between this and the e61 is the camera. and the camera will probably suck. might as well get the e61. i was looking soooo forward to getting this as my first blackberry, but no native office support, its ok. suretype, i guesss its still fine. no JOG WHEEL... HELLL NO

Posted by: KlamshellKing

actually no, this device does look really solid, i need to give it to blackberry... if it has the dumb little things i like in a device ill buy it... i want to try a blackberry and have heard nothing but good things. in the mean while i dont know what to get

EDIT: do you guys think the camera will be any good? its 1.3 right? im hoping its good, the 8125 cam sucks

Posted by: wacky.ugd

jog wheel won't be necessary if the d-pad works the way the jogwheel would. It would make it more efficient and not redundant like the Q to have both the jog wheel and d-pad.

Also, I think the d-pad will be an easier grasp for new clients coming onto a blackberry, many people get frustrated that they can't easily scroll horizontally (I know hold down the shift key and scroll right?), but this will be one less step to move around the screen.

Plus to make it media savvy, a new means of moving around the menus was probably needed to make it simpler.

Anyways, embracing change is always a good thing, who knows it could work out for the best.

And I love suretype, I'm glad they are working on a thinner form factor.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

ive come to thge conclusion... im definitely buying this phone when its released

Posted by: osa500

It looks very nice. I really like the screen resolution, now only if it had QWERTY

Posted by: rugedman

I never use the MultiMedia features either. My Treo sits in a drawer while my Blackberry receives email days before it arrives on the Treo. Not saying the Treo is bad because it is wonderful for everything other than email if you have the time to use it.

Posted by: wacky.ugd

Quote:

Originally Posted by rugedman

I never use the MultiMedia features either. My Treo sits in a drawer while my Blackberry receives email days before it arrives on the Treo. Not saying the Treo is bad because it is wonderful for everything other than email if you have the time to use it.

I agree, however, I'm curious by how RIM is going to deploy multimedia, will we see a Blackberry Media Server? Will BB messenger allow for picture messaging over a more efficient method? Will BB users be able to handle attachments better as well through their emails?

I don't know, but I'm very curious to see how this will all be integrated into Blackberry's tightly controled and very efficient hardware/service offer.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

im sure itll all be done well. RIM wont dissappoint and rarely does.

Posted by: xplod4203

For whitch provider they will be for? and will it be playin videos, mp3 or wav's? Just like Treo?

Posted by: RMitch

Quote:

Originally Posted by xplod4203

For whitch provider they will be for?

It says T-Mobile on the front, so I am guessing they will get it first, and then Cingular.

Posted by: JerryDNYC

You mean this?
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...tealth-revealed

Posted by: CarlGalgano

Quote:

Originally Posted by rugedman

I never had any problems doing mail on my Treo. I used Snappermail it i check via IMAP every 15 minutes. Worked perfectly.

Posted by: CarlGalgano

Selfishly, Im glad there is not wifi (yet). I just bought my 7130c and I know if the only feature added to the 7130 was Wifi, I would be all over it. It'll give my wallet a chance to catch up.

Posted by: briareus

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlGalgano

I never had any problems doing mail on my Treo. I used Snappermail it i check via IMAP every 15 minutes. Worked perfectly.

Which is great for IMAP accounts. Not every email account out there offers IMAP.

Posted by: CarlGalgano

Quote:

Originally Posted by briareus

Which is great for IMAP accounts. Not every email account out there offers IMAP.

Snappermail works very well with POP3 as well. I love my BB with BES, but in my opinion, unless you are running BES with exchange or notes, the email functionality of BIS leaves a lot to be desired. (unless that has changed). I havent messed with BIS since about January. IMHO, the BES server is what makes the BB so special and unique.

One of the guys in my office just got a PC6700 (Sprint PCS) and he has it set up to use MS active sync to get push mail and wireless sync for calendar and contacts as well.

Posted by: JA2BKPrince

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlGalgano

If you use Yahoo or Gmail... BIS is now just like BES in terms of you getting mail in real time. You can also delete on Handheld and those accounts.

Posted by: doan_1

Ummmm... All those who think it won't have a jog dial. LOOK at the picture. They are showing the left hand side of the phone, where there never was a dial! Seriously, it would make no sence for them not to when they are making money just licensing (or so I heard) to companys for use on devices like the Q.

Posted by: jase88

^^ If you go to engadget's site, they show a view of the opposite side against a ruler, where you clearly see there's no clickwheel.

Posted by: BoyGenius

there is no trackwheel, just a trackaball in the center, the return button is the back button, u can click wtih the trackball, and pull up the options menu with the blackberry key

Posted by: Zro

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyGenius

Thank you for bringing some sense to this thread! How you gonna respond Zro? Huh?? Huh??? Haaa back down kid, your wrong

I will reply by saying that 1) it still has an IMEI. It may be a corrupt IMEI, but it still has one. And 2) In the case of the Samsung flashing, it is corrupting the IMEI. 3) using some third party software to flash your phone and therefore causing corruption to the IMEI does not mean that it doesn't have one. I actually wouldn't be surprised if this was just corrupting the IMEI displayed and not the actual IMEI reported to the network. But without investigating the actual phone and ID's in a flashed one, I wouldn't know...but I have a feeling that this is true since there are places on the net that offer IMEI rebuilding....they have to get that info from somewhere...especially the actual device serial number.

See this post as to my claims of it corrupting the IMEI
http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...84&postcount=20

And I wouldn't doubt that the corrupt IMEI's have caused issues for at least some of these people...especially if they are located in the same place.

So you can go ahead and taunt me all you like, since you obviously can't back up your claim that you don't need one with anything technical aside from "cause I said so".

Zro

Posted by: doan_1

Oh, OK. My Bad

Posted by: elzein

Quote:

Originally Posted by xplod4203

For whitch provider they will be for? and will it be playin videos, mp3 or wav's? Just like Treo?

From what I heard from BB is that T-Mobile may be picking this up around September not confirmed but it was from a ligent person so i hope so.

Posted by: ThinkALot

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyGenius

there is no trackwheel, just a trackaball in the center, the return button is the back button, u can click wtih the trackball, and pull up the options menu with the blackberry key

BoyGenius, how do you like the trackball vs. the scroll wheel? Which do you prefer?

I love the scroll wheel on current BB models...it's one of their main advantages in functionality. Is there any way this track ball can top the scroll wheel?

Thanks, as always, for your info.

Posted by: bryanharig

Quote:

Originally Posted by JA2BKPrince

If you use Yahoo or Gmail... BIS is now just like BES in terms of you getting mail in real time. You can also delete on Handheld and those accounts.

is gmail fully supported in BIS the way yahoo is now? IE: with syncing of deleted items and sent mail?

Posted by: hitty

Hi Guys
Finally got my hands on one. It does have an IMEI, a camera with flash and a trackball which will be good for lefties just as well as conventional devices do for right handed people. Launch is expected around October, November.
The screen is amazingly clear, which you probably noticed in the Engadget post. Plays videos which isnt really clear although the camera takes clear pictures and guess what else; Its comparably lighter and slimmer than the 7130!!!!! The applications are really fast, and although there is no definitive spec sheet for this yet, feels like it has an INTEL chip inside.

Posted by: ThinkALot

Can anyone who has used this device speak to how well they like the new trackball feature versus the scroll wheel?

Is it as easy to use...does it work as well or better?

For me this is a big deal...I love the scroll wheel, as do millions of other BB users...

I think for many this issue may be a deal maker/breaker...

Posted by: The Roc

the device comes out in september on tmobile then followed by cingular in late october/november

Posted by: hitty

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThinkALot

Can anyone who has used this device speak to how well they like the new trackball feature versus the scroll wheel?

Is it as easy to use...does it work as well or better?

For me this is a big deal...I love the scroll wheel, as do millions of other BB users...

I think for many this issue may be a deal maker/breaker...

The Trackball marks a point in the forthcoming history of RIM Blackberrys.
The Trackwheel in my opinion, although much loved will be probably taken off the drawing board. Now that RIM are focusing their efforts at the consumer market, a more flexible menu and controller is going to be needed. The trackball is good, and takes sometime getting used to. Does all that the trackwheel could do. Phones have joysticks, WM devices have touch screen, Symbian UIQ have the trackwheel that flicks backwards and forwards for extra options and now BlackBerry have a trackball.

Posted by: MajSingh

Quote:

Originally Posted by roc a fella

the device comes out in september on tmobile then followed by cingular in late october/november

the countdown till Sept begins...:-) I can't wait..

Posted by: BoyGenius

not sure if I like trackball...the device feels like a toy, its built extremely well but does not have tht blackberry "feel" dont know...i still have my 8700 and always love the trackball, im probably 50% faster at multitasking on the 8700, cool thing is sub menus so your composing an email lets say, instead of hittin the option button then pressing send you just press trackball and gives your a popup menu for send cancel...I havn't got video player to work yet, tried .avi, .mov, .mp4, and .3gp, will try .mpg now

Posted by: AlwaysOn

BG, we saw the pic with the length measurement, but how thin is the 8100?

Posted by: BoyGenius

will take a measurement but it is so light and small, really is such an improvement over the current 7100 series

Posted by: pradaisgood

Outta curiosity, how many megapixels is the camera?

I'm thinking 1.3mp, right?

Posted by: SAVAGE WAYZ

hmmmmmm.....Looks like I might have to jump on the Blackberry wagon & buy my first Blackberry

Posted by: iav122003

*rubs hands in anticipation*

Posted by: The Roc

Quote:

Originally Posted by roc a fella

the device comes out in september on tmobile then followed by cingular in late october/november

don't say i didnt tell you so.

Posted by: BoyGenius

1.3 megapixels but I heard that RIM was trying to make the production devices 2 megapixels, if I had to guess it will remain at 1.3 megapixels. 8100 is 35% smaller than the 7130 maybe even more. Its crazy

Posted by: jmc

Is Cingular still on track for Oct, Nov?

Posted by: AlwaysOn

BG, thank you for the size description. Amazing.

How is the phone? We hear a lot about the 7130 phone vs 8700, even the E61. How does this compare?

Even with all these great features, I still need to have a good phone!!

Posted by: BoyGenius

let me put it like this..I HATE using PDA phones as phones, BlackBerry is strictly email, im, web etc, and I have a phone phone. This I can use as a PHONE PHONE, mind you I still use the 8700 but everyone will love how this is really the best blackberry to date if your looking for something as a phone.

Posted by: AlwaysOn

Wow, that is great. Thanks for the info, BG. I have no desire to carry two devices. I was hoping BB got the phone right this time, although most like the phone quality of the 7130c.

Posted by: pradaisgood

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyGenius

let me put it like this..I HATE using PDA phones as phones, BlackBerry is strictly email, im, web etc, and I have a phone phone. This I can use as a PHONE PHONE, mind you I still use the 8700 but everyone will love how this is really the best blackberry to date if your looking for something as a phone.

This is EXACTLY what I've been wanting to hear!

From an SE p910i to my Sidekick 3, this is going to be the greatest common ground.

Never had a Blackberry before, but I guess it's with good reason why they call em 'crackberries' right?

Thanks!

Posted by: BoyGenius

exactly! this thing is so small and light you wont believe it

Posted by: brewm12

jeez.

now i feel dumb for waisting all my money on a sidekick 3.

although i wonder if it will have a good IM client

Posted by: KlamshellKing

boygenious... how does it compare to a slvr in size?? could you tell us the width? i know the length is four inches...

Posted by: pradaisgood

Does anyone know if it supports Bluetooth 2.0? will we be able to sync via bluetooth and/or as a wireless modem?

(damn, who cares...it's so sexy....)

Man, I hope so.

Posted by: doan_1

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaisgood

Does anyone know if it supports Bluetooth 2.0? will we be able to sync via bluetooth and/or as a wireless modem?

(damn, who cares...it's so sexy....)

Man, I hope so.

I know the 7130e (at least the Telus version up in canada) is 2.0 and does support dial up over cable, but not over BT. And, though I know it can, I in moment of utter stupidity, loaded bell firmware. Not realizing that bell had disabled the advanced BT capabilities, and so once I had loaded it I never got it back. After re flashing and pulling settings out of other phones. Quite a pain. For future reference check out features when up grading using another networks version. The bottom line is I don't doubt that the capability will come.

Posted by: furrina

It looks like a black ripoff of the Nokia 6682. Nice looking phone though.

Posted by: Moboz888

Can anyone please show me how to post picture on here cause im using the BB 8100 prototype and want to share some pictures with you all.

Thanks

Posted by: machiavell1

Use www.imageshack.us to upload your image to their website for free and then copy the website address they give you into this thread....

Look forward to seeing them...

Posted by: TelecomZombie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moboz888

.........I'm using the BB 8100 prototype and want to share some pictures with you all.

Guess I beat you !!

Posted by: dunks16

How is it telekomzombie? Is it comfortable to type with? How does the internet look? give some feedback. Thanks.

Posted by: Moboz888

hihihih Zombie...Those pics look familiar. I know where you got them from =) Will beat you up when i see you...j.k

Posted by: K9tucker

I was visiting some relatives in upstate New York and saw this BB on a Sprint Commercial. I hope Cingular get this....maybe I'll be upgrading to a BB this fall

Posted by: CArringt

i'm not sure i understand this "trackball" are you saying it's an analog ball? like turning your mouse upside down and rolling the "trackballl"?

If ya'll have any pics of this, that show a better view, please post them.

Posted by: TelecomZombie

Quote:

Originally Posted by CArringt

i'm not sure i understand this "trackball" are you saying it's an analog ball? like turning your mouse upside down and rolling the "trackballl"?

Correct! Using your thumb you scroll around the menus.
Very nice fluid control & motion.

Posted by: xelencin

Quote:

Originally Posted by CArringt

i'm not sure i understand this "trackball" are you saying it's an analog ball? like turning your mouse upside down and rolling the "trackballl"?

If ya'll have any pics of this, that show a better view, please post them.

Yes its a ball. Imagine an old school laptop trackball mouse but really small. The Sidekick 3 has one of these currently, works rather well.

Posted by: Renzo916

You can now get Blackberry service on he Treo 650 now! Cingular.com has a link to download the software to the Treo 650 with the BB data service plan!

Posted by: shady104

2 more weeks ill deff be pickin this up!

Posted by: TmOcRaZy

The 8100 (pearl) will be realeased on T-Mobile soon. No announcements for a Cingular version anytime soon.