Motorola v3xx - UMTS/HSDPA RAZR (released)

Originally Posted by Soopafly

We are testing... keyword... testing a UMTS/HSDPA Motorola phone.

Preliminary information has testing completing around December but as usual take it with a grain of salt and don't bother asking when and if its coming out.

IRAZ = Internet RAZR?

Originally Posted by Soopafly

I'll keep you all posted but right now there is nothing as far any details. I find it a trip because we're basically going to have 3 more RAZRs coming out... V3i, RAZR 2 (Canary), and the IRAZ (HSDPA RAZR).

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up dropping the v3i or Canary though.

We are supposed to launch our video service soon, where basically you can send live video one-way to another Cingular phone while in voice mode, we had a synonym for it but I forget it now. Very well could be a customized v3x but I do not know.

Facts: RAZR style, UMTS/HSDPA, Code Name: IRAZ

Originally Posted by keiri

Thanks for the information; no matter how little. This makes me feel much, much better now. I hope Cingular does drop the V3i, skips the Canary, and then goes for this beast.

Oh...and not get the Capri either.

K

Originally Posted by Soopafly

Very well could be a customized v3x but I do not know.

Facts: RAZR style, UMTS/HSDPA, Code Name: IRAZ

Originally Posted by Arden

wow thats alot of phones you want to scrap for this one phone you havent even seen and know very little details about. I'm all for them dropping the V3i because that charade is getting ridiculous now. but i would like to see the canary.

Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent

It'll probably take something like the V3x to break Cingular's 3G market open, not these dull pieces of crap from Samsung and LG.

Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent

It'll probably take something like the V3x to break Cingular's 3G market open, not these dull pieces of crap from Samsung and LG.

Originally Posted by troyboy30

wanst this announced way back in feb?

Motorola Announces HSDPA RAZR Prototype

Date Posted: Feb 1, 2006, 10:54 AM
Source: Motorola / DoCoMo

Motorola and NTT DoCoMo today announced a jointly-developed prototype HSDPA phone capable of 3.6 Mbps downlink, the maximum possible data rate for current HSDPA networks. The phone is based on the RAZR V3x, Motorola's new flagship 3G phone which recently started shipping in Europe. DoCoMo today also announced prototype HSDPA phones from Fujitsu and NEC, also supporting the 3.6 Mbps data rate. Initial HSDPA phones expected for Cingular will only support 1.8 Mbps. DoCoMo plans to launch HSDPA in Japan this summer





http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1567

Originally Posted by nskgti23

The IRAZ is NOT the V3x. The V3x version in the US is the E825 or what ever it is called. That device is being TA'd but not released. This is totally different.

Originally Posted by nskgti23

The IRAZ is NOT the V3x. The V3x version in the US is the E825 or what ever it is called. That device is being TA'd but not released. This is totally different.

Originally Posted by hitechy

TA'd ????????? What's that?

Originally Posted by Naveen

Originally Posted by keiri

It's not the MAXX guys. It's the V3xx:



K

Originally Posted by jbzcar

OMG, if that comes to Cingular or is compatible with US 3G frequencies, it's bye-bye to my CU500.

Originally Posted by troyboy30

the MAXX is only tri-band also

Network Technology HSDPA 3.6 Mbps / WCDMA 2100, GSM 900/1800/1900

Originally Posted by keiri

It's not the MAXX guys. It's the V3xx:



K

Originally Posted by nskgti23

The IRAZ is NOT the V3x. The V3x version in the US is the E825 or what ever it is called. That device is being TA'd but not released. This is totally different.

Originally Posted by soccernamlak

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...01&page=2&pp=15

"The RAZR itself has been pumped up into two new models: the RAZR MAXX and the RAZR XX. Both use the high-speed HSDPA network that Cingular is building; while Cingular's frequency band isn't on their spec sheets, Motorola spokesman Jason Gordon said that omission was an error. Both have stereo Bluetooth, MicroSD memory card slots, and high-res 320-by-240 displays inside. Both also use powerful ARM11 processors, and they feel noticeably faster than previous RAZR models when stepping through menus or flipping through photos."

"The glossy, metal-and-glass RAZR MAXX is a quad-band phone with a pumped-up music player that supports AAC, WMA, MP3, and Real, a similarly compatible video player, and a 2-megapixel camera. The bright, high-res screen really jumps out at you and even though it's only 3.7 ounces, it feels heavy because of its high-end construction. This could be a big hit as a luxury phone, taking the RAZR look to a new feel."

"The RAZR XX—really, these names are getting ridiculous—is a notch more humble, with tri-band coverage and dual VGA and 1.3-megapixel cameras. From looking at the specs, the MAXX is more likely to come to the U.S. than the XX is—the previous version of the XX, the RAZR V3x, never reached our shores."

Originally Posted by larry dean

Does anyone know what the Razr "r" is?

Thanks to all who reply

Originally Posted by Maverick05

Could someone please clarify if the phone being discussed in this thread is the MAXX or the XX?

Since people aren't sure of the names or whatever... i refer to the Maxx as the phone that does not look like the old razr and has glass on the front. I refer the xx as the phone that looks the same as the original razr.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by keiri

I think it's the xx. I know we want it to be the Maxx but it's the xx.

Originally Posted by soccernamlak

No, its not the V3xx.....that's probably just an updated form of the V3x for Europe....

It should be the V3Maxx http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/pr...balObjectId=163

Plus the boy-genius had a proto of this phone testing for cingular....

Because that is going to be released by Motorola (hopefully) and is suppose to be for the United States (again hopefully)....

If this is in testing now.....my RAZR is being sold for this....

Originally Posted by timinstl

Yeah, aside from the face plate, it looks like a V3. I saw the phone on the 2nd at a launch we had for 3G in St. Louis. I wasn't too impressed by it. KRZR was actually cool LOOKING. Although it's not 3g it's an okay looking phone.

Originally Posted by Lurs

...and what makes you think it is?

Originally Posted by Aaron662c

I played with the 3g razr prototype at an awards banquit that motorola paid for for the agent my friend works for. he took me and i played around with it for about a min. i was actually sad when i saw that it really does only have a 1.3MP camera:-( it was only a little bit thinner than my CU500, but not much. The one i used was cingular branded and had CV on it. I looked for signs of VideoShare or calling on it, but didnt see anything in the short time i had. i didnt get to try the CV because it didnt have a live sim in it. all in all when i held it next to my CU500 i have to say that the 3g razr was way more solid. I asked what it was called, but i dont remember him telling me the answer.

Originally Posted by timinstl

Yeah, aside from the face plate, it looks like a V3. I saw the phone on the 2nd at a launch we had for 3G in St. Louis. I wasn't too impressed by it. KRZR was actually cool LOOKING. Although it's not 3g it's an okay looking phone.

Originally Posted by timinstl

Yeah, aside from the face plate, it looks like a V3. I saw the phone on the 2nd at a launch we had for 3G in St. Louis. I wasn't too impressed by it. KRZR was actually cool LOOKING. Although it's not 3g it's an okay looking phone.

Originally Posted by keiri

I think it's the xx. I know we want it to be the Maxx but it's the xx.

K

Originally Posted by PhantomFone

And you would be correct, my friend.

Maybe this photo can help shine some light on the debate.

Look at the 27th sku...

Originally Posted by Maverick05

So are you saying you saw the maxx or the xx?

Originally Posted by hitechy

It's stupid how they didn't choose the MAXX!?!? It's so unique compared to the same old worn out V3 design. I guess that's what the KRZR is for, though Verizon has a KRZR and a MAXX Gosh, Verizon wins again. No matter, I hate Moto anyways.

It would be cool if the xx had the dragon design on it, though I doubt it, as it doesn't appeal to many .

The A707 is a much better option, considering; 1. It's (somewhat) available 2. It has a nice black design rather than gray 3. 2 megapixel camera 3. Not a Moto 4. Has Cingular Music support

The only thing is the xx has 3.6 Mbps HSDPA rather than 1.8 on the SYNC. But you watch Moto exclude that feature for some pointless reason.

Originally Posted by Quatre

is telstra gsm? if so that's crazy and if its gsm in america then I'm sure we can just get that version for use on cing.

Originally Posted by Quatre

oh .au

so that's prob the euro gsm version that doesn't have 850 and won't work on cings hsdpa. wasthe same thing with the vex and ppl still imported that but I don't see the point.

point of that small cafrier getting it is they prob didn't have to change the phone at all.

cing would have to have moto add the neccesary bands. which isn't as hard as what vzw has moto do in building them a completely new cdma vesrsion.

good luck thinking cus some small au carrier got it that cing will have moto make them one with the needed freqs.

cing couldn't even brand the already quadband v3i and release it before vzw had a cdma version with 3g made and released well before cing released the v3i which is no diff then the one that was a ailable for import for over a year before cing finally released it ans well after vzws superior version (besides their gui but by superior I mean 3g)

so I'm not hoping for the maxx. in fact I wouldn t be surprised if vzw has an exclusive on it and cing never gets or as usual gets it so late its outdated and no longer in demand.

Originally Posted by FidoFan

Telstra has both CDMA and GSM and UMTS and HSDPA. They run CDMA on 850, and UMTS on 2100, and HSDPA is replacing their CDMA network on 850.



Actually the Maxx uses 850 and has HSDPA on 850. That's part of the specs. Furthermore, Telstra uses the 850 band for HSDPA (to replace their existing CDMA 850 network).

In fact, Telstra's HSDPA lineup is nearly identical to Cingular's. Check it out: http://www.telstra.com.au/nextgnetwork/mobiles.cfm

There's the imate jasjam, the LG TU500 (identical to the CU500), the Motorola RAZR MAXX V6, the Samsung A501 (identical to the ZX20), the Samsung A701 (identical to the A707), and the Telstra 850.

Basically, Telstra's "NextG" lineup should be a very good indicator of what's coming to Cingular, and Rogers in Canada, which is getting the Samsung A706 (same as the A701/A707) and the TU500.

Provided there are unlocked versions of the Telstra Maxx or just in general, they should work with Cingular.

Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent

It'll probably take something like the V3x to break Cingular's 3G market open, not these dull pieces of crap from Samsung and LG.

Originally Posted by George Knighton

The LG CU500 got my attention, and then the Samsung a707 after that, but neither of them has an important feature that works very well for me on my V3i.

Voice dialing.

Originally Posted by Quatre

i thought the gsm maxx wasnt' quad band. you need gsm 850 for voice right and then umts/hsdpa 850 and 1900 for 3g data. so the maxx has all 3 of these? i thought i heard the opposite.

if so that is great news and it will be available unlocked soon i would imagine. but i dont think this is the case and that it is not fully compatible for cing especially not on hsdpa 3g data.

Originally Posted by ghutchinson

There is no way this thing will be out December 9th. I would bet its at least 6 months off. The KRZR had FCC approval in June. This phone has yet to even surface on the FCC website (or in some foreign country). I remember it being a similar situation when cingular was getting the v600. It had been announced and everyone knew it was coming, but for some reason it took forever (read as years). The KRZR has been available for a while via import The v3xx that everyone is talking about for cingular (I'm talking quad band GSM and 850/1900 WCDMA) hasn't even surfaced, anywhere. No where, I don't even think this phone exists or will exist for a very long time. If Motorola can sell a RAZR with an MP3 player and EDGE for $250 while Samsung sells the same phone plus WCDMA for $50, why build a 3g version. The most a provider can really sell a phone for is ~$250 - $300. They've got the KRZR coming which will take over that spot currently held by the v3i and could probably hold it at least 6 months. And people may be like, but what about the market, they want 3G. Mainstream buyers in the US don't care about 3G, nerds care about 3G, and they all picked up their black jacks a few days ago...

Originally Posted by Quatre

yes its bad enough that vzw has had hte krzr k1m with 3g for some time and cing has yet to release the non 3g k1.

also vzw has had the 3g v3m (their 3g version of the non 3g v3i for cing) and cing could have released that so much earlier ....

Originally Posted by bobolito

I have good news, guys. Sprint already released their K1 too and it is EVDO.

Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent

I'm not a real fan of this and would prefer the RAZR maxx but there's no question that I'd choose it over the LG CU500.

Now the SYNC, that's a different ballgame.

Sheesh, looking at the CU500's pictures makes me want to throw up all over this keyboard. The V3xx design may be going on three years old but it's still one of the cleanest and most attractive out there.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

...it is definately designed for the masses. Nothing wrong with that if you like a phone that is geared toward this demographic, and if you are one of those people.

Originally Posted by George Knighton

I wonder if you had a few more minutes to think about it, if you would have posted this. It might sound a little more snobby than you intended.


I understand your point of view, but if LG and Samsung want to take the market share away from Motorola then they need to realise that their newest offering still do not have as many features (that the typical user has need of) as the Motorola Razr.

Something that works very well on the recent Razr iterations is the voice commands/voice dialling. LG and Samsung have nothing like it, and to the typical commuter relegated to hands-free operation while driving in traffic, this puts the Motorola very far ahead of the game when picking a phone for everyday use.

User: Pushes headset button.

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Name dial."

Phone: "Say the name."

User: "Miles Rapoport."

Phone: "Which number?"

User: "Mobile."

Phone: "Mobile. Calling."

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

They created the thin design, and have not had a innovative product since the original V3 on the GSM side within the US. The MAXX is a good phone with a good UI and features, so why isn't it here in the US on the GSM side of things? Because Moto is all about the bottom line. Period. Why would they put a Qualcomm chip with HSDPA in a new design like the MAXX when they don't have too, when the V3xx will sell just as well.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

There is a interview with Ed Zander that the states when referring to the then Samsung Blade on sprint" I can do that tomorrow' when asked about the phone. He then states "but why should I put a Quallcomm ship in the phone and drive up my overhead when I can paint it a different color and sell for a higher profit margin and not hurt my bottom line"

Originally Posted by George Knighton

I wonder if you had a few more minutes to think about it, if you would have posted this. It might sound a little more snobby than you intended.


I understand your point of view, but if LG and Samsung want to take the market share away from Motorola then they need to realise that their newest offering still do not have as many features (that the typical user has need of) as the Motorola Razr.

Something that works very well on the recent Razr iterations is the voice commands/voice dialling. LG and Samsung have nothing like it, and to the typical commuter relegated to hands-free operation while driving in traffic, this puts the Motorola very far ahead of the game when picking a phone for everyday use.

User: Pushes headset button.

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Name dial."

Phone: "Say the name."

User: "Miles Rapoport."

Phone: "Which number?"

User: "Mobile."

Phone: "Mobile. Calling."

Originally Posted by keiri

Agreed. Now add the 2nd generation ObeyMoto to that (which the V3xx is going to have) and it's like this:

User: <pushes voice key button>

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Call Jessica Mobile."

Phone: "Calling Jessica Mobile."

Or

User: <pushes voice key button>

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Check Status."

Phone: "Battery 60 percent. Network 4 bars. Normal coverage."

Among other things you can have it bring up your text messaging box (to write a text), go to voicemail, go to camera, redial the last number called, send voice note, send email, PTT connect to a friend, etc.

Until a Samsung or LG can do that with the same feature set as the V3xx it's definitely superior especially when you include the xx's 3.6Mbps HSDPA. Motorola may lack in the tech. features compared to their phones but they seem to be making up for it in creature comforts that make their phones more useable.

K

Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent

The RAZR maxx only needs a band or two and Cingular software. It already has UMTS 850 for Telstra's network in Australia. There is nothing major in the way of Cingular that could stop them from offering this handset (barring an exclusivity agreement with Verizon [see below]).

As for Motorola bringing it to America, they are in the form of the CDMA V6e for Verizon (Verizon to Get it's Own MOTORAZR maxx), which will obviously have a Qualcomm chipset.

That was Ron Garriques, the head of mobile devices at Motorola. He was obviously confused as Verizon's RAZR V3c had already been released with a Qualcomm chipset, upping the costs over the GSM V3. The RAZR V3m was close to release and the KRZR K1m/RAZR maxx V6e were headed for testing when he gave the interview. He's a pencil pusher who only knows about the phones when it's time to talk to investors. I wouldn't hold onto that as evidence of your conspiracy theory as Motorola already refuted Mr. Garriques' words.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Why if you have a bluetooth headset would you need it? It takes more time to try and voice dial than it takes to take your one hand and hit what, three buttons at the most.

Originally Posted by George Knighton

Pardon my ignorance if I'm being ignorant, but how does Bluetooth help you keep from taking your eyes off the road to make a call? The only Bluetooth headsets I have ever used will go to the phone's menu system or to the speakder independent voice dial in the case of the newer Motorolas.

Please excuse my ignorance, but what am I missing?



De gustibus non est disputandem. I think that to me, right this moment, speaker independent voice is more important that the camera and HSPDA.

However, your thoughtful comments, together with the comments of another user in another thread who says that the battery life of this particular WCDMA/GSM hybrid is a lot better than I was led to believe, will probably cause me to take another look at the Sync instead of waiting for the new Motorola.

I dunno, we'll see how I feel when I have my hands on the phone in the store later in the week.

Thank you very much for taking the time to reply in such depth.

Originally Posted by George Knighton

I wonder if you had a few more minutes to think about it, if you would have posted this. It might sound a little more snobby than you intended.


I understand your point of view, but if LG and Samsung want to take the market share away from Motorola then they need to realise that their newest offering still do not have as many features (that the typical user has need of) as the Motorola Razr.

Something that works very well on the recent Razr iterations is the voice commands/voice dialling. LG and Samsung have nothing like it, and to the typical commuter relegated to hands-free operation while driving in traffic, this puts the Motorola very far ahead of the game when picking a phone for everyday use.

User: Pushes headset button.

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Name dial."

Phone: "Say the name."

User: "Miles Rapoport."

Phone: "Which number?"

User: "Mobile."

Phone: "Mobile. Calling."

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Samsung has a QVGA screen, and the LG Cu500 has 3d stereo speakers. The V3xx has 3.6 HSDPA and voice dialing. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. To say that the V3xx since it has voice dialing is is a better phone is reaching, alot. The Samsung has a better camera also. The above mentioned are more important to most people than voice dialing. Alot of manufacters dont put that feature on their phones anymore because people don't use it or need it since bluetooth is such wide spread. Voice dialing is a old and outdated tech. My Siemens SL56 had it. Lol Like I said reaching.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

I am not talking about CDMA in the US for Moto. Since Qualcomm chipsets for CDMA is not expensive for Moto. That is why you see alot of new Motos on Sprint and Verizon. CDMA is not very cost prohibitive for Moto to do.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Moto and Qualcomm just signed a pact to deliver WCDMA chipsets to Moto, just three weeks ago. ... This is a new development. Right after this you see the V3xx.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Just look at the outdated phones in Cingulars line up.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

This article was Feb of 06. Almost a year ago. the Maxx and the Verizon V3c were not even close.

Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent

dudeman, why do you insist on spreading these lies? I mean you say things that aren't REMOTELY true. I don't understand how your mind absorbs information and processes it in such a fashion.
So you’re implying that it’s cheaper to produce CDMA handsets than GSM? How can this be when royalties are owed to Qualcomm for every CDMA handset sold? Do you realize the raging battle that’s gone on between handset manufacturers and Qualcomm over this issue for years now?
Right after? The V3xx and RAZR maxx were announced in July!! They’ve been in development since 2005 most likely. How do you connect the Qualcomm agreement to these handsets?
Yes, the keyword being Cingular. Cingular decides what is offered on their network, not Motorola or Samsung or SE or Nokia.
Verizon’s RAZR V3c was available on December 5th, 2005. Ron Garriques said he had no need to do what Samsung did when Motorola had already done it! The RAZR V3m, the V3c’s upgrade, was in the final stages of Verizon testing and on its way to release. The KRZR K1m was being tested, the RAZR maxx V6e was on its way to testing. All of this was taking place as Garriques said those words. All Qualcomm-inside, each product alone refuting his claims.

If that isn’t a testament to this guy being out of the loop then I don’t know what is. He’s a businessman, a top executive. He is not hands on getting his knees dirty in the labs. He put his foot in his mouth when the company had already refuted his claims just like I said before. So please stop passing this on as evidence of your conspiracy theory.

Originally Posted by tuolumne

Yeah, sorry bud, but Samsung has had speaker-independent voice dialing in every single CDMA phone since 2002. They had the first phone with Speech-To-Text in North America (P207), and will also have the first with Voice Signal 3.0 next year. The Motorola suite is just Voice Signal, the same thing Samsung has been using before them. Why Samsung refuses to include it in their GSM handsets is beond me.



First of all, the Samsung A707 DOES have two stereo speakers, the sound comes out of the front flip side grills.

Second of all, voice dialing IS an important feature and has come a long way since the SL56 days. No training is required today (and has been since the SPH-A500 on the CDMA side).

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Bluetooth doesn't. Never said it did. How hard is it to hit three buttons and use speaker phone? Are you going to be doing this while going 60 on the turn pike? come on man. Stop at a stop light and hit your three buttons and make your call. Use your bluetooth headset and your hands free. Answer a call hitting one button using your bluetooth headset and your hands free. Last time I used voice dial I don't remember it working that well while driving. It takes longer to try and say who you are trying to call than to hit three buttons. Also last time I recall it doesn't help you answer a call, does it? Voice dial is useless. There is a reason most phone manufactures don't add this feature anymore. You don't think they could not add this feature? Also Moto is not the only phone manufacturer to add this feature. Nokia has this on alot of their phones in the USA.

HSDPA is a much usefull feature. Data compared to voice dial is a no contest. I think I made my points very clear. There is no mistaking that Moto is severly lacking on the GSM side in the USA.

Oh yeah your welcome.

Originally Posted by troyboy30

voice dialing is useless? No one uses it? It makes more sense to have to wait till you stop so you can hit 3 keys to make a call?

Originally Posted by troyboy30

voice dialing is useless? No one uses it? It makes more sense to have to wait till you stop so you can hit 3 keys to make a call? Can you share what you're smoking please?

Originally Posted by jyalexop2003

No voice dialing renders Bluetooth useless for me and many others.
Maore people will use Voice dialing in conjunction with BT than HSDPA data.

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

I owned the A707, no it does not have 3d stereo sound or stereo speakers.