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Motorola v3xx - UMTS/HSDPA RAZR (released)

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Posted by: Soopafly

We are testing... keyword... testing a UMTS/HSDPA Motorola phone.

Preliminary information has testing completing around December but as usual take it with a grain of salt and don't bother asking when and if its coming out.

IRAZ = Internet RAZR?

Motorola V3xx IZAR


FEATURES
-Networks: GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 UMTS/HSDPA 850/1900
-Screen: 176 x 220 internal 262K colors; 96 x 80 external 65K colors
-Weight: 3.5 oz
-Size: 3.9" x 2.1" x 0.6"
-Battery: 5 hrs talk; 300 hrs standby
-Memory: 12MB internal + MicroSD
-Platform: N/A
-Speakerphone: Yes
-Connections: Bluetooth 1.2 (supports stereo headsets), MiniUSB Port, HSDPA 3.6, PCSync

MULTIMEDIA
-Camera: 1.3 megapixels, 8X Zoom,
-Ringtones: MIDI (24 chords), MP3
-Games/Applications: J2ME
-Graphics: Themes, Wallpapers, Screensavers
-Audio/Video: MobiTV, MobiRadio, MPEG4, Video Capture, Cingular Video, Cingular Music, XM, Yahoo Music, MP3 Player

APPLICATIONS
-Phonebook: 1000 contacts
-Predictive Text: iTAP
-Messaging: SMS, EMS, MMS, POP3, SMTP, IMAP Email
-Tools: calculator, alarm, calendar, to-do list, voice memo, voice dial (no training required), voice-driven menus, Airplane Mode
-Web Browser: WAP 2.0






Posted by: keiri

Hey Soop, any pics or a general description?

Sounds like the "Cingularized" V3x w/ 850 or E825 to me. *crosses his fingers*

K



Posted by: tuolumne

Where did this information come from?



Posted by: hitechy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soopafly
We are testing... keyword... testing a UMTS/HSDPA Motorola phone.

Preliminary information has testing completing around December but as usual take it with a grain of salt and don't bother asking when and if its coming out.

IRAZ = Internet RAZR?


Pictures??? Please don't say you can't, please ! You don't have to be in it .



Posted by: hitechy

Is this the one:





Posted by: Soopafly

I'll keep you all posted but right now there is nothing as far any details. I find it a trip because we're basically going to have 3 more RAZRs coming out... V3i, RAZR 2 (Canary), and the IRAZ (HSDPA RAZR).

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up dropping the v3i or Canary though.

We are supposed to launch our video service soon, where basically you can send live video one-way to another Cingular phone while in voice mode, we had a synonym for it but I forget it now. Very well could be a customized v3x but I do not know.

Facts: RAZR style, UMTS/HSDPA, Code Name: IRAZ



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soopafly
I'll keep you all posted but right now there is nothing as far any details. I find it a trip because we're basically going to have 3 more RAZRs coming out... V3i, RAZR 2 (Canary), and the IRAZ (HSDPA RAZR).

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up dropping the v3i or Canary though.

We are supposed to launch our video service soon, where basically you can send live video one-way to another Cingular phone while in voice mode, we had a synonym for it but I forget it now. Very well could be a customized v3x but I do not know.

Facts: RAZR style, UMTS/HSDPA, Code Name: IRAZ


Thanks for the information; no matter how little. This makes me feel much, much better now. I hope Cingular does drop the V3i, skips the Canary, and then goes for this beast.

Oh...and not get the Capri either.

K



Posted by: Arden

Quote:
Originally Posted by keiri
Thanks for the information; no matter how little. This makes me feel much, much better now. I hope Cingular does drop the V3i, skips the Canary, and then goes for this beast.

Oh...and not get the Capri either.

K


wow thats alot of phones you want to scrap for this one phone you havent even seen and know very little details about. I'm all for them dropping the V3i because that charade is getting ridiculous now. but i would like to see the canary.



Posted by: Buck Wheat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soopafly
Very well could be a customized v3x but I do not know.

Facts: RAZR style, UMTS/HSDPA, Code Name: IRAZ


That's exactly what it is. They've been out over here for a while and I was tempted to pick one up, but it was only a Euro tri band and I've had issues using Euro branded phones on Cingular's data network.

Is it tri banded for US (1900/1800/850)?



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arden
wow thats alot of phones you want to scrap for this one phone you havent even seen and know very little details about. I'm all for them dropping the V3i because that charade is getting ridiculous now. but i would like to see the canary.


3 phones is alot? Please. More than triple that number is released without Cingular touching them.

I actually have reasons for wanting them avoided:

1) V3i - I personally think it's not positioned to sell very well; ie. against FREE Razrs (the common person doesn't really want to pay 200+ dollars for a memory slot, iTunes, and a pretty blue light), against a technologically superior cousin (the V3m and I use superior in a relative sense), and I'm sure most people can't tel the difference between the Razrs (people ask me if my V3i is a "Razr" not the MODEL. They can't tell the difference if I don't tell them).

2) Canary - Exclusivity. Verizon is supposed to be getting this one as well but , again like the V3i/V3m debacle, with a "superior" feature set not to mention the other versions rumored to be floating around (Alltel, Suncom, etc.). It is being positioned as the name implies; Razr 2 - another phone everyone and their mom has because it's the "it" phone. No thanks.

3) Capri - I just don't want Cingular to release it so when I get one it'll be rare and I don't have to see 12-year old kids with them. Selfish? Yes. Do I care? Nope.

As for wanting a phone I have scant details on - I had scant details on the V3 when it was first rumored. But I bought one. Before it became "it" in my area. Also, from what I've seen if this phone makes it to mass production then it won't matter if Cingular gets it or not - I'll buy it.

K



Posted by: Binx75075

I cannot wait for this.



Posted by: CoreyTheGent

It'll probably take something like the V3x to break Cingular's 3G market open, not these dull pieces of crap from Samsung and LG.



Posted by: Soopafly

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent
It'll probably take something like the V3x to break Cingular's 3G market open, not these dull pieces of crap from Samsung and LG.


Couldn't agree more...

Also update the code name I goofed up on, its actually the IZAR... unless our product development team messed up.



Posted by: s2kvietboi

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent
It'll probably take something like the V3x to break Cingular's 3G market open, not these dull pieces of crap from Samsung and LG.

LOL. sure we will see when this phone come out if it does. you guys just make good looking phones



Posted by: ivwshane

Anything from nokia? Or any decent candy bar style phones with a good feature set coming out?

--mini rant

It's funny because a lot of people want flip phones to keep the keys from dialing but it's the flip phones that always cause problems with random button presses (z520 and the samsung d407 have this issue).



Posted by: KlamshellKing

do you think that possibly the irazr could be something similar to the q??



Posted by: s2kvietboi

i hope not the q is Fugly



Posted by: troyboy30

wanst this announced way back in feb?

Motorola Announces HSDPA RAZR Prototype

Date Posted: Feb 1, 2006, 10:54 AM
Source: Motorola / DoCoMo

Motorola and NTT DoCoMo today announced a jointly-developed prototype HSDPA phone capable of 3.6 Mbps downlink, the maximum possible data rate for current HSDPA networks. The phone is based on the RAZR V3x, Motorola's new flagship 3G phone which recently started shipping in Europe. DoCoMo today also announced prototype HSDPA phones from Fujitsu and NEC, also supporting the 3.6 Mbps data rate. Initial HSDPA phones expected for Cingular will only support 1.8 Mbps. DoCoMo plans to launch HSDPA in Japan this summer



http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1567



Posted by: hitechy

Quote:
Originally Posted by troyboy30
wanst this announced way back in feb?

Motorola Announces HSDPA RAZR Prototype

Date Posted: Feb 1, 2006, 10:54 AM
Source: Motorola / DoCoMo

Motorola and NTT DoCoMo today announced a jointly-developed prototype HSDPA phone capable of 3.6 Mbps downlink, the maximum possible data rate for current HSDPA networks. The phone is based on the RAZR V3x, Motorola's new flagship 3G phone which recently started shipping in Europe. DoCoMo today also announced prototype HSDPA phones from Fujitsu and NEC, also supporting the 3.6 Mbps data rate. Initial HSDPA phones expected for Cingular will only support 1.8 Mbps. DoCoMo plans to launch HSDPA in Japan this summer





http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1567


Yeah, I can't wait 'till Cingular gets 3.6 Mbps phones soon (most likely next year) .



Posted by: s2kvietboi

wow if i get that i can gcut off my dsl line. lol JK



Posted by: nskgti23

The IRAZ is NOT the V3x. The V3x version in the US is the E825 or what ever it is called. That device is being TA'd but not released. This is totally different.



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
The IRAZ is NOT the V3x. The V3x version in the US is the E825 or what ever it is called. That device is being TA'd but not released. This is totally different.


Well, what IS it? If you happen to be able to give a description/rough idea of what the IRAZ looks like could you?

Thanks.

K



Posted by: hitechy

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
The IRAZ is NOT the V3x. The V3x version in the US is the E825 or what ever it is called. That device is being TA'd but not released. This is totally different.



TA'd ????????? What's that?



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by hitechy
TA'd ????????? What's that?


I'm going to guess it means "Testing Approved".

K



Posted by: Naveen

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...-motorazr-maxx/



Posted by: KlamshellKing

yea i saw that a little while ago, it looks pretty nice, i may pickone up as a backup eventually...



Posted by: jbzcar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naveen


OMG, if that comes to Cingular or is compatible with US 3G frequencies, it's bye-bye to my CU500.



Posted by: Soopafly

Since I can't edit the thread title... and like I posted earlier... we are calling the phone the IZAR... And I can't confirm which version this is. Other than a vague description of HSDPA/UMTS RAZR.

Cingular employees can verify this information through the intranet.



Posted by: keiri

It's not the MAXX guys. It's the V3xx:



K



Posted by: hitechy

Quote:
Originally Posted by keiri
It's not the MAXX guys. It's the V3xx:



K


No, the V3xx is only tri-band.



Posted by: Naveen

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbzcar
OMG, if that comes to Cingular or is compatible with US 3G frequencies, it's bye-bye to my CU500.


yup, the LG dont look too hot compared to the razr maxx



Posted by: troyboy30

the MAXX is only tri-band also

Network Technology HSDPA 3.6 Mbps / WCDMA 2100, GSM 900/1800/1900



Posted by: hitechy

Quote:
Originally Posted by troyboy30
the MAXX is only tri-band also

Network Technology HSDPA 3.6 Mbps / WCDMA 2100, GSM 900/1800/1900



That;s a mistake from Mobileburn. They got the wrong specs from Moto.

Read this thread: http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=964301&page=3



Posted by: soccernamlak

Quote:
Originally Posted by keiri
It's not the MAXX guys. It's the V3xx:



K



No, its not the V3xx.....that's probably just an updated form of the V3x for Europe....

It should be the V3Maxx http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/pr...balObjectId=163

Plus the boy-genius had a proto of this phone testing for cingular....

Because that is going to be released by Motorola (hopefully) and is suppose to be for the United States (again hopefully)....

If this is in testing now.....my RAZR is being sold for this....



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
The IRAZ is NOT the V3x. The V3x version in the US is the E825 or what ever it is called. That device is being TA'd but not released. This is totally different.



That tells me it isn't the MAXX soccer. From what the OP and this quote say it's sounding more and more like a quad-band V3xx.

K



Posted by: soccernamlak

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...01&page=2&pp=15

"The RAZR itself has been pumped up into two new models: the RAZR MAXX and the RAZR XX. Both use the high-speed HSDPA network that Cingular is building; while Cingular's frequency band isn't on their spec sheets, Motorola spokesman Jason Gordon said that omission was an error. Both have stereo Bluetooth, MicroSD memory card slots, and high-res 320-by-240 displays inside. Both also use powerful ARM11 processors, and they feel noticeably faster than previous RAZR models when stepping through menus or flipping through photos."

"The glossy, metal-and-glass RAZR MAXX is a quad-band phone with a pumped-up music player that supports AAC, WMA, MP3, and Real, a similarly compatible video player, and a 2-megapixel camera. The bright, high-res screen really jumps out at you and even though it's only 3.7 ounces, it feels heavy because of its high-end construction. This could be a big hit as a luxury phone, taking the RAZR look to a new feel."

"The RAZR XX—really, these names are getting ridiculous—is a notch more humble, with tri-band coverage and dual VGA and 1.3-megapixel cameras. From looking at the specs, the MAXX is more likely to come to the U.S. than the XX is—the previous version of the XX, the RAZR V3x, never reached our shores."



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by soccernamlak
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...01&page=2&pp=15

"The RAZR itself has been pumped up into two new models: the RAZR MAXX and the RAZR XX. Both use the high-speed HSDPA network that Cingular is building; while Cingular's frequency band isn't on their spec sheets, Motorola spokesman Jason Gordon said that omission was an error. Both have stereo Bluetooth, MicroSD memory card slots, and high-res 320-by-240 displays inside. Both also use powerful ARM11 processors, and they feel noticeably faster than previous RAZR models when stepping through menus or flipping through photos."

"The glossy, metal-and-glass RAZR MAXX is a quad-band phone with a pumped-up music player that supports AAC, WMA, MP3, and Real, a similarly compatible video player, and a 2-megapixel camera. The bright, high-res screen really jumps out at you and even though it's only 3.7 ounces, it feels heavy because of its high-end construction. This could be a big hit as a luxury phone, taking the RAZR look to a new feel."

"The RAZR XX—really, these names are getting ridiculous—is a notch more humble, with tri-band coverage and dual VGA and 1.3-megapixel cameras. From looking at the specs, the MAXX is more likely to come to the U.S. than the XX is—the previous version of the XX, the RAZR V3x, never reached our shores."


Yeah, I've read that. I'm hoping it's right but...so much has been miscommunicated the last couple of days.

K



Posted by: jewberg

more reason to believe the izar is the maxx

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3301322,00.html



Posted by: CoreyTheGent

But that's the RAZR xx.



Posted by: jewberg

oh thats what i meant. sorry



Posted by: Maverick05

Does anyone have any updated info for the Razr MAXX?

Edit: by info i mean possible release date or at the least how it's doing in testing... is it doing well, estimated completion date?



Posted by: larry dean

Does anyone know what the Razr "r" is?

Thanks to all who reply



Posted by: Aaron662c

I played with the 3g razr prototype at an awards banquit that motorola paid for for the agent my friend works for. he took me and i played around with it for about a min. i was actually sad when i saw that it really does only have a 1.3MP camera:-( it was only a little bit thinner than my CU500, but not much. The one i used was cingular branded and had CV on it. I looked for signs of VideoShare or calling on it, but didnt see anything in the short time i had. i didnt get to try the CV because it didnt have a live sim in it. all in all when i held it next to my CU500 i have to say that the 3g razr was way more solid. I asked what it was called, but i dont remember him telling me the answer.



Posted by: Maverick05

Could someone please clarify if the phone being discussed in this thread is the MAXX or the XX?

Since people aren't sure of the names or whatever... i refer to the Maxx as the phone that does not look like the old razr and has glass on the front. I refer the xx as the phone that looks the same as the original razr.

Thanks!



Posted by: Bigbmc26

Quote:
Originally Posted by larry dean
Does anyone know what the Razr "r" is?

Thanks to all who reply

It's a red V3i without itunes. that's it.



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick05
Could someone please clarify if the phone being discussed in this thread is the MAXX or the XX?

Since people aren't sure of the names or whatever... i refer to the Maxx as the phone that does not look like the old razr and has glass on the front. I refer the xx as the phone that looks the same as the original razr.

Thanks!


I think it's the xx. I know we want it to be the Maxx but it's the xx.

K



Posted by: fractured

Quote:
Originally Posted by keiri
I think it's the xx. I know we want it to be the Maxx but it's the xx.

...and what makes you think it is?



Posted by: timinstl

Quote:
Originally Posted by soccernamlak
No, its not the V3xx.....that's probably just an updated form of the V3x for Europe....

It should be the V3Maxx http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/pr...balObjectId=163

Plus the boy-genius had a proto of this phone testing for cingular....

Because that is going to be released by Motorola (hopefully) and is suppose to be for the United States (again hopefully)....

If this is in testing now.....my RAZR is being sold for this....


Yeah, aside from the face plate, it looks like a V3. I saw the phone on the 2nd at a launch we had for 3G in St. Louis. I wasn't too impressed by it. KRZR was actually cool LOOKING. Although it's not 3g it's an okay looking phone.



Posted by: Maverick05

Quote:
Originally Posted by timinstl
Yeah, aside from the face plate, it looks like a V3. I saw the phone on the 2nd at a launch we had for 3G in St. Louis. I wasn't too impressed by it. KRZR was actually cool LOOKING. Although it's not 3g it's an okay looking phone.



So are you saying you saw the maxx or the xx?



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurs
...and what makes you think it is?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron662c
I played with the 3g razr prototype at an awards banquit that motorola paid for for the agent my friend works for. he took me and i played around with it for about a min. i was actually sad when i saw that it really does only have a 1.3MP camera:-( it was only a little bit thinner than my CU500, but not much. The one i used was cingular branded and had CV on it. I looked for signs of VideoShare or calling on it, but didnt see anything in the short time i had. i didnt get to try the CV because it didnt have a live sim in it. all in all when i held it next to my CU500 i have to say that the 3g razr was way more solid. I asked what it was called, but i dont remember him telling me the answer.


and

Quote:
Originally Posted by timinstl
Yeah, aside from the face plate, it looks like a V3. I saw the phone on the 2nd at a launch we had for 3G in St. Louis. I wasn't too impressed by it. KRZR was actually cool LOOKING. Although it's not 3g it's an okay looking phone.


K



Posted by: hitechy

Quote:
Originally Posted by timinstl
Yeah, aside from the face plate, it looks like a V3. I saw the phone on the 2nd at a launch we had for 3G in St. Louis. I wasn't too impressed by it. KRZR was actually cool LOOKING. Although it's not 3g it's an okay looking phone.


Did it have an internal cam?



Posted by: timinstl

It's the xx or izar or something like that, (I can't remember what the moto lady called it, definetly not the max. I've seen the max too. Some guy got one from Europe and was using it.



Posted by: PhantomFone

Quote:
Originally Posted by keiri
I think it's the xx. I know we want it to be the Maxx but it's the xx.

K


And you would be correct, my friend.

Maybe this photo can help shine some light on the debate.

Look at the 27th sku...





Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantomFone
And you would be correct, my friend.

Maybe this photo can help shine some light on the debate.

Look at the 27th sku...



Thanks Phantom; so what we'll see this holiday season is Verizon getting the Maxx and Cingular launching the V3xx. Not bad. Motorola is definitely playing a win/win game.

K



Posted by: hitechy

It's stupid how they didn't choose the MAXX!?!? It's so unique compared to the same old worn out V3 design. I guess that's what the KRZR is for, though Verizon has a KRZR and a MAXX Gosh, Verizon wins again. No matter, I hate Moto anyways.

It would be cool if the xx had the dragon design on it, though I doubt it, as it doesn't appeal to many .

The A707 is a much better option, considering; 1. It's (somewhat) available 2. It has a nice black design rather than gray 3. 2 megapixel camera 3. Not a Moto 4. Has Cingular Music support

The only thing is the xx has 3.6 Mbps HSDPA rather than 1.8 on the SYNC. But you watch Moto exclude that feature for some pointless reason.



Posted by: Maverick05

So the cingular is not going to pursue the maxx?

Also, other than teh 2 mp camera vs. 1.3 and touch music buttons, does the Maxx have anything else that the xx doesn't?



Posted by: Maverick05

Razr XX got FCC approval.

Wonder what the internal video cam means though... No 4q 06 release?



Posted by: anubis9278

wow, did you posted a screen cap from work?



Posted by: CoreyTheGent

The RAZR xx that got FCC approval isn't for Cingular. No WCDMA 850. If you go through the FCC documents, it says specifically on the confidentiality letter that the phone isn't for use in America.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick05
So are you saying you saw the maxx or the xx?



I played with the phone also last weekend. The face place is different, maybe even the internal screen may be a bit larger, but thats it. As you can see the face plate is a little different. Here is the phone I had in my hand last weekend.

http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/v3xx/

The maxx was there also, but when I asked if it was coming to Cingular the Moto rep just smiled and said she didn't know yet. I asked another rep on Sat the second day of the show and he said he didn't know either. I guess Moto is keeping things hush hush and on a need to know basis. I got the least amount of info from Moto than from any other Cell Manu.



Posted by: Ddask137

The folks @ Motorola can dress up the casing all they want... the UI is STILL the same as it's ALWAYS been. When can we expect to see improvements in that?!



Posted by: Maverick05

You know, i really don't mind the xx vs the maxx... i'd be happy with either. The only thing i don't like about the xx is that the keypad is like the v3 instead of like the v3i or the maxx. I like how the buttons are larger on the v3i, makes for easier texting.

Does anyone know if the guts are the same? I'm primarily referring to processor speed.



Posted by: Quatre

why is this thread still called the iraz? isn't it the izar/v3xx. release date in my sig was originally just stated as late nov/early dec. but recently updated with an actual date of dec. 9th?



Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by hitechy
It's stupid how they didn't choose the MAXX!?!? It's so unique compared to the same old worn out V3 design. I guess that's what the KRZR is for, though Verizon has a KRZR and a MAXX Gosh, Verizon wins again. No matter, I hate Moto anyways.

It would be cool if the xx had the dragon design on it, though I doubt it, as it doesn't appeal to many .

The A707 is a much better option, considering; 1. It's (somewhat) available 2. It has a nice black design rather than gray 3. 2 megapixel camera 3. Not a Moto 4. Has Cingular Music support

The only thing is the xx has 3.6 Mbps HSDPA rather than 1.8 on the SYNC. But you watch Moto exclude that feature for some pointless reason.



yah its so frustrating, vzw totally winning/killing it with motos

i'll never forget how there was a quad band v3i out so long ago and all cingular had to do was brand it and beat vzw to the punch.

somehow vzw gets a cdma version of the v3i in the v3m made from scratch and released way before cing can even just get around to putting their name on the v3i. that is sad and no exuse.

i was laughing when vzw release the razr v3c (their version of orig rzr v3) like over a year after cing but since then they beat cing everytime

vzw already release their second color k1m (grey and white, not to mention white lg chocolate) before cing even releases their first color k1 (and they may only get the blue one and no other color cus i dont know of any other color gsm k1)

then we all hear about the gsm maxx and it came out awhile ago for other countries and online merchants have it, yeah you can import it and use it just for voice on cing or tmob but you can't make use of the 3g capability and it doesnt have 850 so even voice could be not as good.

out of nowhwere news and pics emerge about a cdma maxx for vzw. i'm like wtf, again

now ppl are saying cing may jus get the v3xx/izar/iraz whatever instead and not the maxx

as someone said the v3xx looks just like a reg razr but with hsdpa. i wans't even going to bother with it and just wait for the maxx with new looks/styling/lighting.

i think vzw had paid moto off big time to do this.

if cing only gets the rzr look alike v3xx while vzw gets the maxx and cing never gets the maxx not even late, then its a real problem and vzw must have some deal with moto.

i like moto phones but luckily not the only thing i like. if you do i guess you wnat to be with vzw if y9u can stomach them but you cant switch phones easily either cus its not gsm with sim cards

luckily i like smart/ppc phones more then moto and now that cing has 3g i'll try sticking with that but damn, tempting to keep vzw just for voice/free in calling/ cool moto phone. now that i'm switching data to cing and dropping data on vzw. was currently using cing just for voice.

can't use vzw as main voice cus i'm not porting my main voice # on cing to vzw so cing would be data and majority of voice and vzw would be just free in calling with fam etc. bleh thats not worth it really, though whole reason i added on wifes vzw account in frist place was way back when for the moto v710 cus it was first bluetooth , wanted a nice moto flip and liked the phone. class action lawsuit on it got me a free Q and steroe bt moto headphones.

but still once i started using vzw for 3g evdo data in addition to free in calling, and cing just for voice it made more sense.

unless i keep vzw for data figuring that cings 3g might not be as wide spread but that will be dumb to have data on both carrier ugh

i just hate vzw and now how they get the best moto phones exclusively or at least first. i think i'd rather just stop liking moto phones then give in to vzw.



Posted by: FidoFan

I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but Telstra has the V6 already.

http://www.telstra.com.au/nextgnetw...phones_id=36927

If a comparatively small carrier like Telstra can get a RAZR MAXX then Cingular could easily get it if they wanted it.



Posted by: Quatre

of course they can but they aren't at least not as lf yet. instead we are getting the crappy v3xx which looks just like the v3 and v3i while vzw gets a version of the maxx.

I think there is more to this. I don't think cing is just dumb and sucks that bad. I think vzw just has a deal with moto and cing is banned from getting thse phones during vzws exclusive.

is telstra gsm? if so that's crazy and if its gsm in america then I'm sure we can just get that version for use on cing.

point is right now cing is only due to get the v3xx while vzw gets the superior v6e/maxx



Posted by: Quatre

oh .au

so that's prob the euro gsm version that doesn't have 850 and won't work on cings hsdpa. wasthe same thing with the vex and ppl still imported that but I don't see the point.

point of that small cafrier getting it is they prob didn't have to change the phone at all.

cing would have to have moto add the neccesary bands. which isn't as hard as what vzw has moto do in building them a completely new cdma vesrsion.

good luck thinking cus some small au carrier got it that cing will have moto make them one with the needed freqs.

cing couldn't even brand the already quadband v3i and release it before vzw had a cdma version with 3g made and released well before cing released the v3i which is no diff then the one that was a ailable for import for over a year before cing finally released it ans well after vzws superior version (besides their gui but by superior I mean 3g)

so I'm not hoping for the maxx. in fact I wouldn t be surprised if vzw has an exclusive on it and cing never gets or as usual gets it so late its outdated and no longer in demand.



Posted by: FidoFan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
is telstra gsm? if so that's crazy and if its gsm in america then I'm sure we can just get that version for use on cing.


Telstra has both CDMA and GSM and UMTS and HSDPA. They run CDMA on 850, and UMTS on 2100, and HSDPA is replacing their CDMA network on 850.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
oh .au

so that's prob the euro gsm version that doesn't have 850 and won't work on cings hsdpa. wasthe same thing with the vex and ppl still imported that but I don't see the point.

point of that small cafrier getting it is they prob didn't have to change the phone at all.

cing would have to have moto add the neccesary bands. which isn't as hard as what vzw has moto do in building them a completely new cdma vesrsion.

good luck thinking cus some small au carrier got it that cing will have moto make them one with the needed freqs.

cing couldn't even brand the already quadband v3i and release it before vzw had a cdma version with 3g made and released well before cing released the v3i which is no diff then the one that was a ailable for import for over a year before cing finally released it ans well after vzws superior version (besides their gui but by superior I mean 3g)

so I'm not hoping for the maxx. in fact I wouldn t be surprised if vzw has an exclusive on it and cing never gets or as usual gets it so late its outdated and no longer in demand.


Actually the Maxx uses 850 and has HSDPA on 850. That's part of the specs. Furthermore, Telstra uses the 850 band for HSDPA (to replace their existing CDMA 850 network).

In fact, Telstra's HSDPA lineup is nearly identical to Cingular's. Check it out: http://www.telstra.com.au/nextgnetwork/mobiles.cfm

There's the imate jasjam, the LG TU500 (identical to the CU500), the Motorola RAZR MAXX V6, the Samsung A501 (identical to the ZX20), the Samsung A701 (identical to the A707), and the Telstra 850.

Basically, Telstra's "NextG" lineup should be a very good indicator of what's coming to Cingular, and Rogers in Canada, which is getting the Samsung A706 (same as the A701/A707) and the TU500.

Provided there are unlocked versions of the Telstra Maxx or just in general, they should work with Cingular.



Posted by: Gtx1

i have the cu500 but wen this comes out is there anyway i can upgrade to this phone? How much will i have to pay if so? Also any prices yet? thanks



Posted by: Maverick05

Boy Genius has posted rebates for cingular for this year, this phoen is not on it. Does this mean the december 9 date thrown out in here is not gonna come true?



Posted by: CoreyTheGent

That or there won't be any rebates.



Posted by: Quatre

Quote:
Originally Posted by FidoFan
Telstra has both CDMA and GSM and UMTS and HSDPA. They run CDMA on 850, and UMTS on 2100, and HSDPA is replacing their CDMA network on 850.



Actually the Maxx uses 850 and has HSDPA on 850. That's part of the specs. Furthermore, Telstra uses the 850 band for HSDPA (to replace their existing CDMA 850 network).

In fact, Telstra's HSDPA lineup is nearly identical to Cingular's. Check it out: http://www.telstra.com.au/nextgnetwork/mobiles.cfm

There's the imate jasjam, the LG TU500 (identical to the CU500), the Motorola RAZR MAXX V6, the Samsung A501 (identical to the ZX20), the Samsung A701 (identical to the A707), and the Telstra 850.

Basically, Telstra's "NextG" lineup should be a very good indicator of what's coming to Cingular, and Rogers in Canada, which is getting the Samsung A706 (same as the A701/A707) and the TU500.

Provided there are unlocked versions of the Telstra Maxx or just in general, they should work with Cingular.



i thought the gsm maxx wasnt' quad band. you need gsm 850 for voice right and then umts/hsdpa 850 and 1900 for 3g data. so the maxx has all 3 of these? i thought i heard the opposite.

if so that is great news and it will be available unlocked soon i would imagine. but i dont think this is the case and that it is not fully compatible for cing especially not on hsdpa 3g data.



Posted by: George Knighton

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent
It'll probably take something like the V3x to break Cingular's 3G market open, not these dull pieces of crap from Samsung and LG.

The LG CU500 got my attention, and then the Samsung a707 after that, but neither of them has an important feature that works very well for me on my V3i.

Voice dialing.



Posted by: troyboy30

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Knighton
The LG CU500 got my attention, and then the Samsung a707 after that, but neither of them has an important feature that works very well for me on my V3i.

Voice dialing.



agreed..I miss it greatly!



Posted by: FidoFan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
i thought the gsm maxx wasnt' quad band. you need gsm 850 for voice right and then umts/hsdpa 850 and 1900 for 3g data. so the maxx has all 3 of these? i thought i heard the opposite.

if so that is great news and it will be available unlocked soon i would imagine. but i dont think this is the case and that it is not fully compatible for cing especially not on hsdpa 3g data.


The Telstra Motorola V6 RAZR MAXX most definitely has UMTS/HSDPA 850, because it's being offered on their "NextG" network, which is HSDPA and replacing their CDMA 850. Whether it also has HSDPA on 1900 or 2100 is speculative. And whether it has GSM 850 or not is also unclear.



Posted by: ItalianAngel831

the pic pf this phone make it look huge what the deal it is wide



Posted by: Maverick05

does anyone have any updated info on the release date? we stil thinkjing dec 9?



Posted by: Lil Moshi

Is this the maxx or the v3xx??



Posted by: Maverick05

unfortunately v3xx



Posted by: ghutchinson

There is no way this thing will be out December 9th. I would bet its at least 6 months off. The KRZR had FCC approval in June. This phone has yet to even surface on the FCC website (or in some foreign country). I remember it being a similar situation when cingular was getting the v600. It had been announced and everyone knew it was coming, but for some reason it took forever (read as years). The KRZR has been available for a while via import The v3xx that everyone is talking about for cingular (I'm talking quad band GSM and 850/1900 WCDMA) hasn't even surfaced, anywhere. No where, I don't even think this phone exists or will exist for a very long time. If Motorola can sell a RAZR with an MP3 player and EDGE for $250 while Samsung sells the same phone plus WCDMA for $50, why build a 3g version. The most a provider can really sell a phone for is ~$250 - $300. They've got the KRZR coming which will take over that spot currently held by the v3i and could probably hold it at least 6 months. And people may be like, but what about the market, they want 3G. Mainstream buyers in the US don't care about 3G, nerds care about 3G, and they all picked up their black jacks a few days ago...



Posted by: jyalexop2003

Quote:
Originally Posted by ghutchinson
There is no way this thing will be out December 9th. I would bet its at least 6 months off. The KRZR had FCC approval in June. This phone has yet to even surface on the FCC website (or in some foreign country). I remember it being a similar situation when cingular was getting the v600. It had been announced and everyone knew it was coming, but for some reason it took forever (read as years). The KRZR has been available for a while via import The v3xx that everyone is talking about for cingular (I'm talking quad band GSM and 850/1900 WCDMA) hasn't even surfaced, anywhere. No where, I don't even think this phone exists or will exist for a very long time. If Motorola can sell a RAZR with an MP3 player and EDGE for $250 while Samsung sells the same phone plus WCDMA for $50, why build a 3g version. The most a provider can really sell a phone for is ~$250 - $300. They've got the KRZR coming which will take over that spot currently held by the v3i and could probably hold it at least 6 months. And people may be like, but what about the market, they want 3G. Mainstream buyers in the US don't care about 3G, nerds care about 3G, and they all picked up their black jacks a few days ago...


Yes indeed. Motorola and Cingular are not in the biz to satisfy a few geeks who want fast internet on a tiny cell phone. 95% of users have no concept what 3G is or even GSM for that matter. As long as the GPRS-only RAZR is still Cingulars top-selling phone, don't expect a 3G version untill mid 2007.
Go to Verizon if you want the 3G version KRZR.



Posted by: cuidinsider

dude the razr is only 14% of cingulars sales are you kidding



Posted by: ghutchinson

The V6 is out in the land down under and it is WCDMA on 850 and 2100, no 1900 WCDMA though. It also doesn't have any 850 GSM. Its close, kind of...not really...perhaps 850 GSM and 1900 WCDMA are just a seem edit away...

I want this thing as much as the next guy, I just don't think its going to come anytime soon, but I can hope.



Posted by: Quatre

i see the point of what the guy saying that there is no way its coming out dec. 9th but that is the date listed in internal cing documents.

of course , they almost always dont make that original date but one example and reason for hope was the Samsung Blackjack which came out on even a few days before in some stores/locations the date that they had slated from the beginning. This was one of the only cing phone releases i followed t hat stuck to the same date from beginning to end and released on time. I was pleseantly surprised being cings usual rep for phone releases.

I wouldn't say that the iraz/v3xx isn't neccesary though. You can't just say go to vzw for a 3g rzr. yes its bad enough that vzw has had hte krzr k1m with 3g for some time and cing has yet to release the non 3g k1.

also vzw has had the 3g v3m (their 3g version of the non 3g v3i for cing) and cing could have released that so much earlier being it was available to import for over a year before they finally did. That was a real mess up.

Now for the v6 maxx, there is a version out in other countries but no plans known for a version that will work in the US for cing gsm, yet there is a version for vzw the V6e (i think) that has surfaced and seeing as how quick vzw releases moto phones and even gets exclusives it prob wont be long and might be before cing releases the v3xx.

the v6e/maxx is better then the v3xx so for cing to keep releasing inferior phones well after vzw already released a better one really sucks.

they are just so far behind. the v3i should have been out a year ago and the krzr k1 should have been out for months now as well, so that now they could finally release the v3xx/izar (whateverthe crap they calling it) now to compete more properly with vzw's v3m (since cings v3i isn't 3g)

then they should be ready to release the maxx for cing at the same time if not before vzw does.

but that isn't happening. cing may never get the maxx.

and since the v3i came out so late and after it was already outdated, that could be effecting them spacing out the release of the krzr and then the v3xx.

i have switched my smart/ppc phone and data use to cing for 3g but will keep vzw for free in calling voice with wife fam and some friends, knowing i will always be able to get the newest thin moto phone first instead of waiting for cing to get it after its 2 yrs old if ever.

i think moto has a deal with teh devil aka vzw for vzw to get new moto phones first and even exclusively in some cases.



Posted by: George Knighton

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quatre
yes its bad enough that vzw has had hte krzr k1m with 3g for some time and cing has yet to release the non 3g k1.

also vzw has had the 3g v3m (their 3g version of the non 3g v3i for cing) and cing could have released that so much earlier ....


I had always assumed that the problem was integrating the Qualcomm hybrid chip in order to get both WCDMA bands (at the fastest speeds) together with the normal four bands that Cingular wants to see on its "international" GSM phones.





Posted by: bobolito

I have good news, guys. Sprint already released their K1 too and it is EVDO.



Posted by: Maverick05

any updates on a release date for this phone? Kinda weird how no one seems to have much info on this.



Posted by: ghutchinson

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobolito
I have good news, guys. Sprint already released their K1 too and it is EVDO.


Every CDMA phone these days have EVDO, EVDO was a very easy upgrade path, hardware wise from 2G CDMA, Verison and Sprint have always had it easy, CDMA was and is a better air interface, which is why GSM is moving to a CDMA air interface, but its a pain, making the phones backwards compatiple with a TDMA air interface and able to work with a CDMA air interface



Posted by: iamthedudeman

What a downer. Not a bad phone, but not enough to upgrade over a LG Cu500. 1.3 mega camera. Give me a break. Not bad if it has stereo speakers since this is billed as a music phone. Should have it. Probably not though knowing Moto. Phonescoop broke the news. Oh well.


http://www.phonescoop.com/


That high speed decal on the front is just plain stupid. Give me a break. Why is this phone decaled like a 70's matchbox car? Lol. I hope it is just a sticker you can take off. And not part of the phone. Maybe this phone is targeted at the teen yough market.



Posted by: CoreyTheGent

I'm not a real fan of this and would prefer the RAZR maxx but there's no question that I'd choose it over the LG CU500.

Now the SYNC, that's a different ballgame.

Sheesh, looking at the CU500's pictures makes me want to throw up all over this keyboard. The V3xx design may be going on three years old but it's still one of the cleanest and most attractive out there.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent
I'm not a real fan of this and would prefer the RAZR maxx but there's no question that I'd choose it over the LG CU500.

Now the SYNC, that's a different ballgame.

Sheesh, looking at the CU500's pictures makes me want to throw up all over this keyboard. The V3xx design may be going on three years old but it's still one of the cleanest and most attractive out there.



Whatever floats your boat. I personally feel the design of the phone is fine, but it is the same design as the V3 with few changes, nice design. But everyone has the phone, nothing is there to differentiate this one from the V3, which my 12 year old neighbor has as well as their friends. That matchbox design on the front with "HI-SPEED" is laughable. Looks like it is definately designed for the masses. Nothing wrong with that if you like a phone that is geared toward this demographic, and if you are one of those people.

Now your 'make me want to throw up" over the LG Cu500 is fine too. At least it doesn't look the same as every other phone out there. Like the V3, V3i, and V3xx does, they look almost the same. I personally feel the LG Cu500 looks good and everyone that see's it does too. I personally think it looks better than the V3 and the V3xx, but like I said whatever floats your boat. To each their own. I know one thing, the LG Cu500 3D stereo speakers is about as good as it gets, and the Samsung A707 can't touch it. Not even close. Hopefully the V3xx has some nice speakers at least.

It looks like Moto is gearing their products with a cool design and with the least amount of features as possible with the least almount of overhead as possible. They are not as innovative as they used to be on the US Gsm side. The V3 was very innovative, since this phone came out, it seems like they geared their whole line up on thin designs and weak features to sell in mass. That is fine, to make money and I understand it, since I own a business of my own, but I often find when a company loses it's ability to create innovative products and innovate on their own, like Moto used to be, they are never the same company. Usually they are worse off in the long run, in the short run it's great. Every company has thin phones, this is nothing new, but Moto is treating it like it is. They put "HI-SPEED" on the front of the V3xx like no other phone has high speed data, give me a break.

They created the thin design, and have not had a innovative product since the original V3 on the GSM side within the US. The MAXX is a good phone with a good UI and features, so why isn't it here in the US on the GSM side of things? Because Moto is all about the bottom line. Period. Why would they put a Qualcomm chip with HSDPA in a new design like the MAXX when they don't have too, when the V3xx will sell just as well. Makes good business sense, but when you are always looking at the bottom line sometimes you lose what got you there in the first place. You cannot say the same for their competitors.

There is a interview with Ed Zander that the states when referring to the then Samsung Blade on sprint" I can do that tomorrow' when asked about the phone. He then states "but why should I put a Quallcomm ship in the phone and drive up my overhead when I can paint it a different color and sell for a higher profit margin and not hurt my bottom line". Now I don't have the interview, but that was the basic jist of it.

Note: List of so called innovations on the US GSM side of Moto:

1.) Black V3

2.) The V3 with I tunes Hence the "V3i" and slighty better camera, with
still no EDGE.

3.) Pink V3

4.) Blue V3

5.) Red V3

6.) Dolce and Cabanna designer V3.

7.) Slvr, no edge, weak camera. But thin.

8) Rokr, old model with I tunes added. no other features new.

9).KRZR, Nice phone, with just EDGE. No UMTS. Better than previous
models.

10.) Pink Slvr. Same as above, different color.


11.) Motorola V365, nice phone, weak camera, with EDGE.


This is the best that Cingular and Motorola have to offer? How is the above mentioned innovative in any way, shape or form? Quite simply there not. Period, end of story.




The V3 is the best selling phone ever. But Moto has run that into the ground. It is a sad day when my 14 year old nephew reconizes that the V3 is dated and old, and don't want it. I used to consider Moto at the cream of the crop in quality and features. Now I consider them with cheap and featureless. The old saying goes" innovate or die" is so true. Time will tell.



Posted by: George Knighton

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
...it is definately designed for the masses. Nothing wrong with that if you like a phone that is geared toward this demographic, and if you are one of those people.

I wonder if you had a few more minutes to think about it, if you would have posted this. It might sound a little more snobby than you intended.

Quote:
... Moto is gearing their products with a cool design and with the least amount of features as possible.

I understand your point of view, but if LG and Samsung want to take the market share away from Motorola then they need to realise that their newest offering still do not have as many features (that the typical user has need of) as the Motorola Razr.

Something that works very well on the recent Razr iterations is the voice commands/voice dialling. LG and Samsung have nothing like it, and to the typical commuter relegated to hands-free operation while driving in traffic, this puts the Motorola very far ahead of the game when picking a phone for everyday use.

User: Pushes headset button.

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Name dial."

Phone: "Say the name."

User: "Miles Rapoport."

Phone: "Which number?"

User: "Mobile."

Phone: "Mobile. Calling."



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Knighton
I wonder if you had a few more minutes to think about it, if you would have posted this. It might sound a little more snobby than you intended.


I understand your point of view, but if LG and Samsung want to take the market share away from Motorola then they need to realise that their newest offering still do not have as many features (that the typical user has need of) as the Motorola Razr.

Something that works very well on the recent Razr iterations is the voice commands/voice dialling. LG and Samsung have nothing like it, and to the typical commuter relegated to hands-free operation while driving in traffic, this puts the Motorola very far ahead of the game when picking a phone for everyday use.

User: Pushes headset button.

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Name dial."

Phone: "Say the name."

User: "Miles Rapoport."

Phone: "Which number?"

User: "Mobile."

Phone: "Mobile. Calling."


Agreed. Now add the 2nd generation ObeyMoto to that (which the V3xx is going to have) and it's like this:

User: <pushes voice key button>

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Call Jessica Mobile."

Phone: "Calling Jessica Mobile."

Or

User: <pushes voice key button>

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Check Status."

Phone: "Battery 60 percent. Network 4 bars. Normal coverage."

Among other things you can have it bring up your text messaging box (to write a text), go to voicemail, go to camera, redial the last number called, send voice note, send email, PTT connect to a friend, etc.

Until a Samsung or LG can do that with the same feature set as the V3xx it's definitely superior especially when you include the xx's 3.6Mbps HSDPA. Motorola may lack in the tech. features compared to their phones but they seem to be making up for it in creature comforts that make their phones more useable.

K



Posted by: CoreyTheGent

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
They created the thin design, and have not had a innovative product since the original V3 on the GSM side within the US. The MAXX is a good phone with a good UI and features, so why isn't it here in the US on the GSM side of things? Because Moto is all about the bottom line. Period. Why would they put a Qualcomm chip with HSDPA in a new design like the MAXX when they don't have too, when the V3xx will sell just as well.
The RAZR maxx only needs a band or two and Cingular software. It already has UMTS 850 for Telstra's network in Australia. There is nothing major in the way of Cingular that could stop them from offering this handset (barring an exclusivity agreement with Verizon [see below]).

As for Motorola bringing it to America, they are in the form of the CDMA V6e for Verizon (Verizon to Get it's Own MOTORAZR maxx), which will obviously have a Qualcomm chipset.

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
There is a interview with Ed Zander that the states when referring to the then Samsung Blade on sprint" I can do that tomorrow' when asked about the phone. He then states "but why should I put a Quallcomm ship in the phone and drive up my overhead when I can paint it a different color and sell for a higher profit margin and not hurt my bottom line"
That was Ron Garriques, the head of mobile devices at Motorola. He was obviously confused as Verizon's RAZR V3c had already been released with a Qualcomm chipset, upping the costs over the GSM V3. The RAZR V3m was close to release and the KRZR K1m/RAZR maxx V6e were headed for testing when he gave the interview. He's a pencil pusher who only knows about the phones when it's time to talk to investors. I wouldn't hold onto that as evidence of your conspiracy theory as Motorola already refuted Mr. Garriques' words.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Knighton
I wonder if you had a few more minutes to think about it, if you would have posted this. It might sound a little more snobby than you intended.


I understand your point of view, but if LG and Samsung want to take the market share away from Motorola then they need to realise that their newest offering still do not have as many features (that the typical user has need of) as the Motorola Razr.

Something that works very well on the recent Razr iterations is the voice commands/voice dialling. LG and Samsung have nothing like it, and to the typical commuter relegated to hands-free operation while driving in traffic, this puts the Motorola very far ahead of the game when picking a phone for everyday use.

User: Pushes headset button.

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Name dial."

Phone: "Say the name."

User: "Miles Rapoport."

Phone: "Which number?"

User: "Mobile."

Phone: "Mobile. Calling."



I know what it is, I had it on my MPX 220 almost three years ago! Like I said" innovative". LG and Samsung have 3g phones with HSDPA, QVGA screens, QVGA video recording, stereo speakers, micro SD, smartphones such as the HTC and Samsungs. Voice dialing is not on lists because no uses it. Really. I never used it on my MPX 220. Why if you have a bluetooth headset would you need it? It takes more time to try and voice dial than it takes to take your one hand and hit what, three buttons at the most. Let's see, menu, contacts, person you are calling. I think HSDPA and decent cameras and QVGA screens are more important. I think Samsung and LG see it that way. If they can put a guallcomm chipset that can do HSDPA and you don't think they can do voice dialing. Come man, you are really reaching here.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by keiri
Agreed. Now add the 2nd generation ObeyMoto to that (which the V3xx is going to have) and it's like this:

User: <pushes voice key button>

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Call Jessica Mobile."

Phone: "Calling Jessica Mobile."

Or

User: <pushes voice key button>

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Check Status."

Phone: "Battery 60 percent. Network 4 bars. Normal coverage."

Among other things you can have it bring up your text messaging box (to write a text), go to voicemail, go to camera, redial the last number called, send voice note, send email, PTT connect to a friend, etc.

Until a Samsung or LG can do that with the same feature set as the V3xx it's definitely superior especially when you include the xx's 3.6Mbps HSDPA. Motorola may lack in the tech. features compared to their phones but they seem to be making up for it in creature comforts that make their phones more useable.

K



It seems you missed the whole point of my post. I am not talking about the V3xx. It sounds like a good phone. It also seems Moto cut a few corners and delivered this phone instead of the MAXX. Probably just as nice as the Samsung A707 or the LG Cu500. The Samsung has a QVGA screen, and the LG Cu500 has 3d stereo speakers. The V3xx has 3.6 HSDPA and voice dialing. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. To say that the V3xx since it has voice dialing is is a better phone is reaching, alot. The Samsung has a better camera also. The above mentioned are more important to most people than voice dialing. Alot of manufacters dont put that feature on their phones anymore because people don't use it or need it since bluetooth is such wide spread. Voice dialing is a old and outdated tech. My Siemens SL56 had it. Lol Like I said reaching.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent
The RAZR maxx only needs a band or two and Cingular software. It already has UMTS 850 for Telstra's network in Australia. There is nothing major in the way of Cingular that could stop them from offering this handset (barring an exclusivity agreement with Verizon [see below]).

As for Motorola bringing it to America, they are in the form of the CDMA V6e for Verizon (Verizon to Get it's Own MOTORAZR maxx), which will obviously have a Qualcomm chipset.

That was Ron Garriques, the head of mobile devices at Motorola. He was obviously confused as Verizon's RAZR V3c had already been released with a Qualcomm chipset, upping the costs over the GSM V3. The RAZR V3m was close to release and the KRZR K1m/RAZR maxx V6e were headed for testing when he gave the interview. He's a pencil pusher who only knows about the phones when it's time to talk to investors. I wouldn't hold onto that as evidence of your conspiracy theory as Motorola already refuted Mr. Garriques' words.



I am not talking about CDMA in the US for Moto. Since Qualcomm chipsets for CDMA is not expensive for Moto. That is why you see alot of new Motos on Sprint and Verizon. CDMA is not very cost prohibitive for Moto to do. Hence the disparity is technology in the GSM side as opposed to the CDMA side. Moto and Qualcomm just signed a pact to deliver WCDMA chipsets to Moto, just three weeks ago.

http://www.networkcomputing.com/cha...cleID=194400158


This is a new development. Right after this you see the V3xx. Happen by chance. I think not. Just look at the outdated phones in Cingulars line up. The only new Motos in Cingulars line on the GSM side is new colors for the RAZR. Blue RED, and a low end phone with VGA camera and just EDGE.

Read this interview and tell me what he says did not come to pass with GSM phones in the USA?

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6041087.html

Quick: How many Moto's in cingulars lineup have both a megapixel camera and EDGE? NONE! Not only Cingulars line up but in any US GSM phone. Prove me wrong. Name one. Go ahead. How innovative and cutting is that not to have just one phone with a megapixel camera and EDGE in the same phone? Cutting EDGE technology at it's finest. Samsung and LG can't match that feature, no doubt about it.

Conspiracy theory, yeah right. You are delusional to think other wise, the proof is in their line up and any US carriers lineup for that matter. Right in front of you, plain as day. Goes right alone with what he is saying in this interview. Perfectly. Just a pencil pusher, the head of the Mobile division of Moto. Ha haa Lol. your funny. Looks like he was spot on in this interview as to Moto's game plan and future planning. Just look at cingulars lineup. The proof is in the lineup. Matches perfectly.

He isn't just a pencil pusher, he calls the shots in the mobile division of Moto. Nice try.

This article was Feb of 06. Almost a year ago. the Maxx and the Verizon V3c were not even close. Regardless I am talking about the GSM side in the USA. Not CDMA. And I never mentioned nothing about verizon or their phones. Quallcomm just made a deal with Moto, so I don't see how you come up with such stuff about Verizon. We are not talking about CDMA here, GSM. Read it again and then do me a favor and look at Cingulars lineup of Motos as well as T-mobiles.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6041087.html



Posted by: George Knighton

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Why if you have a bluetooth headset would you need it? It takes more time to try and voice dial than it takes to take your one hand and hit what, three buttons at the most.


Pardon my ignorance if I'm being ignorant, but how does Bluetooth help you keep from taking your eyes off the road to make a call? The only Bluetooth headsets I have ever used will go to the phone's menu system or to the speakder independent voice dial in the case of the newer Motorolas.

Please excuse my ignorance, but what am I missing?

Quote:
I think HSDPA and decent cameras and QVGA screens are more important.... Come man, you are really reaching here.


De gustibus non est disputandem. I think that to me, right this moment, speaker independent voice is more important that the camera and HSPDA.

However, your thoughtful comments, together with the comments of another user in another thread who says that the battery life of this particular WCDMA/GSM hybrid is a lot better than I was led to believe, will probably cause me to take another look at the Sync instead of waiting for the new Motorola.

I dunno, we'll see how I feel when I have my hands on the phone in the store later in the week.

Thank you very much for taking the time to reply in such depth.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Knighton
Pardon my ignorance if I'm being ignorant, but how does Bluetooth help you keep from taking your eyes off the road to make a call? The only Bluetooth headsets I have ever used will go to the phone's menu system or to the speakder independent voice dial in the case of the newer Motorolas.

Please excuse my ignorance, but what am I missing?



De gustibus non est disputandem. I think that to me, right this moment, speaker independent voice is more important that the camera and HSPDA.

However, your thoughtful comments, together with the comments of another user in another thread who says that the battery life of this particular WCDMA/GSM hybrid is a lot better than I was led to believe, will probably cause me to take another look at the Sync instead of waiting for the new Motorola.

I dunno, we'll see how I feel when I have my hands on the phone in the store later in the week.

Thank you very much for taking the time to reply in such depth.



Bluetooth doesn't. Never said it did. How hard is it to hit three buttons and use speaker phone? Are you going to be doing this while going 60 on the turn pike? come on man. Stop at a stop light and hit your three buttons and make your call. Use your bluetooth headset and your hands free. Answer a call hitting one button using your bluetooth headset and your hands free. Last time I used voice dial I don't remember it working that well while driving. It takes longer to try and say who you are trying to call than to hit three buttons. Also last time I recall it doesn't help you answer a call, does it? Voice dial is useless. There is a reason most phone manufactures don't add this feature anymore. You don't think they could not add this feature? Also Moto is not the only phone manufacturer to add this feature. Nokia has this on alot of their phones in the USA.

HSDPA is a much usefull feature. Data compared to voice dial is a no contest. I think I made my points very clear. There is no mistaking that Moto is severly lacking on the GSM side in the USA.

Oh yeah your welcome.



Posted by: tuolumne

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Knighton
I wonder if you had a few more minutes to think about it, if you would have posted this. It might sound a little more snobby than you intended.


I understand your point of view, but if LG and Samsung want to take the market share away from Motorola then they need to realise that their newest offering still do not have as many features (that the typical user has need of) as the Motorola Razr.

Something that works very well on the recent Razr iterations is the voice commands/voice dialling. LG and Samsung have nothing like it, and to the typical commuter relegated to hands-free operation while driving in traffic, this puts the Motorola very far ahead of the game when picking a phone for everyday use.

User: Pushes headset button.

Phone: "Say a command."

User: "Name dial."

Phone: "Say the name."

User: "Miles Rapoport."

Phone: "Which number?"

User: "Mobile."

Phone: "Mobile. Calling."


Yeah, sorry bud, but Samsung has had speaker-independent voice dialing in every single CDMA phone since 2002. They had the first phone with Speech-To-Text in North America (P207), and will also have the first with Voice Signal 3.0 next year. The Motorola suite is just Voice Signal, the same thing Samsung has been using before them. Why Samsung refuses to include it in their GSM handsets is beond me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Samsung has a QVGA screen, and the LG Cu500 has 3d stereo speakers. The V3xx has 3.6 HSDPA and voice dialing. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. To say that the V3xx since it has voice dialing is is a better phone is reaching, alot. The Samsung has a better camera also. The above mentioned are more important to most people than voice dialing. Alot of manufacters dont put that feature on their phones anymore because people don't use it or need it since bluetooth is such wide spread. Voice dialing is a old and outdated tech. My Siemens SL56 had it. Lol Like I said reaching.


First of all, the Samsung A707 DOES have two stereo speakers, the sound comes out of the front flip side grills.

Second of all, voice dialing IS an important feature and has come a long way since the SL56 days. No training is required today (and has been since the SPH-A500 on the CDMA side).



Posted by: CoreyTheGent

dudeman, why do you insist on spreading these lies? I mean you say things that aren't REMOTELY true. I don't understand how your mind absorbs information and processes it in such a fashion.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
I am not talking about CDMA in the US for Moto. Since Qualcomm chipsets for CDMA is not expensive for Moto. That is why you see alot of new Motos on Sprint and Verizon. CDMA is not very cost prohibitive for Moto to do.
So you’re implying that it’s cheaper to produce CDMA handsets than GSM? How can this be when royalties are owed to Qualcomm for every CDMA handset sold? Do you realize the raging battle that’s gone on between handset manufacturers and Qualcomm over this issue for years now?
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Moto and Qualcomm just signed a pact to deliver WCDMA chipsets to Moto, just three weeks ago. ... This is a new development. Right after this you see the V3xx.
Right after? The V3xx and RAZR maxx were announced in July!! They’ve been in development since 2005 most likely. How do you connect the Qualcomm agreement to these handsets?
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Just look at the outdated phones in Cingulars line up.
Yes, the keyword being Cingular. Cingular decides what is offered on their network, not Motorola or Samsung or SE or Nokia.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
This article was Feb of 06. Almost a year ago. the Maxx and the Verizon V3c were not even close.
Verizon’s RAZR V3c was available on December 5th, 2005. Ron Garriques said he had no need to do what Samsung did when Motorola had already done it! The RAZR V3m, the V3c’s upgrade, was in the final stages of Verizon testing and on its way to release. The KRZR K1m was being tested, the RAZR maxx V6e was on its way to testing. All of this was taking place as Garriques said those words. All Qualcomm-inside, each product alone refuting his claims.

If that isn’t a testament to this guy being out of the loop then I don’t know what is. He’s a businessman, a top executive. He is not hands on getting his knees dirty in the labs. He put his foot in his mouth when the company had already refuted his claims just like I said before. So please stop passing this on as evidence of your conspiracy theory.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyTheGent
dudeman, why do you insist on spreading these lies? I mean you say things that aren't REMOTELY true. I don't understand how your mind absorbs information and processes it in such a fashion.
So you’re implying that it’s cheaper to produce CDMA handsets than GSM? How can this be when royalties are owed to Qualcomm for every CDMA handset sold? Do you realize the raging battle that’s gone on between handset manufacturers and Qualcomm over this issue for years now?
Right after? The V3xx and RAZR maxx were announced in July!! They’ve been in development since 2005 most likely. How do you connect the Qualcomm agreement to these handsets?
Yes, the keyword being Cingular. Cingular decides what is offered on their network, not Motorola or Samsung or SE or Nokia.
Verizon’s RAZR V3c was available on December 5th, 2005. Ron Garriques said he had no need to do what Samsung did when Motorola had already done it! The RAZR V3m, the V3c’s upgrade, was in the final stages of Verizon testing and on its way to release. The KRZR K1m was being tested, the RAZR maxx V6e was on its way to testing. All of this was taking place as Garriques said those words. All Qualcomm-inside, each product alone refuting his claims.

If that isn’t a testament to this guy being out of the loop then I don’t know what is. He’s a businessman, a top executive. He is not hands on getting his knees dirty in the labs. He put his foot in his mouth when the company had already refuted his claims just like I said before. So please stop passing this on as evidence of your conspiracy theory.


You are brainwashed my friend. Plain and simple. It is you who has no idea what is going on. Sorry but if you can't see what I put in front of you, you truely are clueless on this subject. Really. Let me try again.

What did I say that isn't true?

Please point it out to me. I would like to hear it. CDMA is cheaper than WCDMA. Yes. This is why you don't see any UMTS or HSDPA handsets from Moto. Let alone EDGE. Just happenstance, huh. I don't think so. Read and weep.

Quote:"Motorola handset chief Ron Garriques told Reuters on Monday he hesitated to use Qualcomm's WCDMA chips, although the U.S. firm often is the first out of the door with such products, because the chips and license fees are expensive and consumers are not willing to pay a premium."

Story URL: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicati...39252515,00.htm



Is it not true that this chipset is recent.

http://www.qualcomm.com/press/relea...rst_single.html

Is it not true that Quallcomm just made a deal and a partnership to produce these chips for their upcomming phones. Almost on the same day as the new chip announcement. No it's not. You need to have a partner ship in place to manufacter phones and provide the needed chipsets from that said provider, such as quallcomm. You don't need that deal for development and for a few phones for development. Just because the Maxx or V3xx were announce does not mean that they have a cheap chipset or the new Quallcomm chipset. That has no bearing on how or when they are to release a phone. To produce a phone and to develop one are two different animals. They are two different beasts. Again, another example that you don't know how a business is run.

http://www.freshnews.com/news/telec...icle_35180.html

More importantly, you should learn to read the whole post and whole article before typing. The interview was taken place at 3Gsm world congress. It was in reference to WCDMA phones. So your whole CDMA being cheaper this and hat has no bearing on this discussion. Regardless CDMA is cheaper, than WCDMA. I think I made that plainly clear to you by now anyway. And, on who is lying, please show me when Moto ever refuted claims made by the head of the Mobile division of moto.

"He put his foot in his mouth when the company had already refuted his claims just like I said before. So please stop passing this on as evidence of your conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE]

That is your quote. I own my own business and know quite a good deal of what is going on in this industry. You don't. That is plain to see.

QUOTE" "Do I really want to launch a WCDMA (3G) phone with a Qualcomm chip that drives up my bill of materials by $40, but which I can't sell for a higher price, and give up my profit margin?" he said."

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6041087.html




is it not true that most GSM phones in the USA by Moto are lacking, like not one phone with EDGE and a megapixel camera in the same phone in the USA or North America for that matter. How do you explain that. How many phones are GPRS? Not even EDGE. How do you explain what he said in the article the man you claim does not know his own division has come to pass. Almost exactly. What he said was going to happen has happened. How you cannot see this is beyond me. I personally think you are confused on the whole subject, really I do.

More colors, itunes etc. Weak cameras. He is a good business man, lower operating costs, while increaseing price by making thin phones in different colors and adding gimmicks like itunes. He basically said this himself in the article. And that is exactly what happened. Conspiracy theory. Ok whatever. Why don't you explain this to us, since I don't know what I am talking about and you do. go ahead. I will wait.

I stated my argument quite well in my last post. It is not my fault that I have to explain it to you again.

You state that he is just a pencil pusher. No. He is the head of the Mobile division of Motorola. He knows exactly what he is doing. You simply don't know how a business is run, that is plain to see. What he states in the article is exactly what is going on at Motorola with GSM in the USA.

You dont know what you are talking about plain and simple.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuolumne
Yeah, sorry bud, but Samsung has had speaker-independent voice dialing in every single CDMA phone since 2002. They had the first phone with Speech-To-Text in North America (P207), and will also have the first with Voice Signal 3.0 next year. The Motorola suite is just Voice Signal, the same thing Samsung has been using before them. Why Samsung refuses to include it in their GSM handsets is beond me.



First of all, the Samsung A707 DOES have two stereo speakers, the sound comes out of the front flip side grills.

Second of all, voice dialing IS an important feature and has come a long way since the SL56 days. No training is required today (and has been since the SPH-A500 on the CDMA side).



I owned the A707, no it does not have 3d stereo sound or stereo speakers.



Posted by: troyboy30

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Bluetooth doesn't. Never said it did. How hard is it to hit three buttons and use speaker phone? Are you going to be doing this while going 60 on the turn pike? come on man. Stop at a stop light and hit your three buttons and make your call. Use your bluetooth headset and your hands free. Answer a call hitting one button using your bluetooth headset and your hands free. Last time I used voice dial I don't remember it working that well while driving. It takes longer to try and say who you are trying to call than to hit three buttons. Also last time I recall it doesn't help you answer a call, does it? Voice dial is useless. There is a reason most phone manufactures don't add this feature anymore. You don't think they could not add this feature? Also Moto is not the only phone manufacturer to add this feature. Nokia has this on alot of their phones in the USA.

HSDPA is a much usefull feature. Data compared to voice dial is a no contest. I think I made my points very clear. There is no mistaking that Moto is severly lacking on the GSM side in the USA.

Oh yeah your welcome.



voice dialing is useless? No one uses it? It makes more sense to have to wait till you stop so you can hit 3 keys to make a call? Can you share what you're smoking please?



Posted by: George Knighton

Quote:
Originally Posted by troyboy30
voice dialing is useless? No one uses it? It makes more sense to have to wait till you stop so you can hit 3 keys to make a call?

For the time being, considering the driving I do, voice dial is very useful to me.

I'd consider doing without it in a 3.5G phone that had no other handicaps, but the jury seems to be out with regard to the battery life issue.

I have enough trouble with battery life in my V3i and I wouldn't want to make it worse.



Posted by: jyalexop2003

Quote:
Originally Posted by troyboy30
voice dialing is useless? No one uses it? It makes more sense to have to wait till you stop so you can hit 3 keys to make a call? Can you share what you're smoking please?


No voice dialing renders Bluetooth useless for me and many others.
Maore people will use Voice dialing in conjunction with BT than HSDPA data.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by jyalexop2003
No voice dialing renders Bluetooth useless for me and many others.
Maore people will use Voice dialing in conjunction with BT than HSDPA data.



I don't think so. The majority of cell phone users, soccer moms, dads, teenagers, don't use a bluetooth headset let alone voice dial. Business people yes, regardless of gender. So how do you explain how usefull voice dial would or will be to them. I think they would rather have a better camera or a nicer screen or a faster data to down load their MP3's or video clips. I don't think the majority of cell phone users would give a damn about voicedial. really. Like it or not the day is coming and MP3 players will be a thing of the past. Phones are headed the way of convergence devices. Phone, MP3 player, camera, data, etc.

How does voice dial make up for Motorola's lack of features or new technology in their GSM phones in the US or north america for that matter. Explain that please, actually I am still waiting for someone to explain that one, but all anyone can come up with is the lack of voice dial. I think i explained it very clearly here which everyone chooses to ignore. Yeah ok. So you are telling since a RAZR has voice dial that makes up for the lack of EDGE or a Megapixel camera. The V3i has a megapixel camera but still GPRS. Most of the features on Moto phones in North America are comparable to entry level phones. This is a fact. How do you explain that. The majority of their phones have VGA cameras and GPRS. No matter how you slice it, those features are low class. Period.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

I am going to sum up my points so we can move on and not further hijack this thread.

CDMA is cheaper than WCDMA

Quote:"Motorola handset chief Ron Garriques told Reuters on Monday he hesitated to use Qualcomm's WCDMA chips, although the U.S. firm often is the first out of the door with such products, because the chips and license fees are expensive and consumers are not willing to pay a premium."

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicati...39252515,00.htm


Basically Moto does not want to invest in quallcomm chips and hurt their profit margin when they can basically make different color phones and shapes and add gimmicks like itunes. This is the jist of the article. Why Moto doesn't have to be leading anymore:

QUOTE" "Do I really want to launch a WCDMA (3G) phone with a Qualcomm chip that drives up my bill of materials by $40, but which I can't sell for a higher price, and give up my profit margin?" he said."

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6041087.html


Now that 3g is more wide spread Moto is going to start to release handsets, espically since Quallcomm has released a chip that is cheaper and smaller. Since Moto did not want to hurt their profit margin before, now they wouldn't have to.

http://www.qualcomm.com/press/relea...rst_single.html


November 13, 2006 is the release date of this news.

On the same day, it is announced that Moto has collaborated with Quallcomm to provide Moto with Quallcomm chips. Now Moto is going to start to release 3G phones. Their profit margin will not take a hit. As told in the first interview.

QUOTE" "Do I really want to launch a WCDMA (3G) phone with a Qualcomm chip that drives up my bill of materials by $40, but which I can't sell for a higher price, and give up my profit margin?" he said."

http://www.freshnews.com/news/telec...icle_35180.html


In the meantime, the lack of features on Moto handsets before the above transpired and what he said in the above article:

QUOTE:"Do I really want to launch a WCDMA (3G) phone with a Qualcomm chip that drives up my bill of materials by $40, but which I can't sell for a higher price, and give up my profit margin?" he said.

He admits this is a relatively new approach for Motorola, which always prided itself in bringing the latest technology to consumers--it made the smallest first-generation analog phones in the 1990s, it was leading with second-generation GSM world phones around 2000 and pioneered in 3G handsets.

"In the past we had to launch every product and chase every market, because we needed every opportunity. People weren't expecting great designs from us anyway," Garriques said.


In this article he is stating he does not care if another competitor releases new technology before them. They got cool phones that sell. Why hurt their profit margin if they don't have to. Makes perfect sense and I agree with him. Smart man. But that doesn't mean it is better for the consumer.

Sorry to inform you people who are defending Moto, they are going to increase their profit margin by producing trendy phones, with weak features. He states as much in the article. They are going to increase their lower end phone production and increase their profits with more volume.


"Large volumes help Motorola be more profitable, and that is also the reason why the company is active in the ultra-low end of the market, making phones for emerging markets which operators can purchase for less than $30.

"We're driving the cost. You cannot generate healthy profits if you don't get the volume in the low end," Garriques said."


And lesser features in their higher end phones to increase profits, this has happened and is happening.



"In the higher end of the market the secret is not to cram the most sophisticated technology in a mobile phone, but to create a sophisticated image. For instance by painting the Razr pink or gold and co-branding it with the likes of fashion icons Dolce & Gabbana, as Motorola has done over recent months.

"The Razr is good for three years. We've had a year, and it's good for another two years," said Garriques.

Three years is at least one year longer than the average lifespan of a mobile phone model.

Motorola also will do more co-branding in the future, he said.""


So how what I am pointing out isn't true about Moto? Their lineup of GSM phones in North America is exactly what he said in the above article. More colors, i-tunes, and more lower end phones.

Check out any North American lineup.

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Cin...rrier-c_14.html
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/T-M...rrier-c_18.html
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Cel...rrier-c_40.html
http://www.fido.ca/portal/product/product.do
http://www.shoprogers.com/store/wir...2AHXM4H4 W2E0A

Now rogers has the only current phone with at least a Megapixel camera and EDGE. That is sad.

http://www.shoprogers.com/store/wir...V635I&summary=1


Sorry the Moto we knew and love is gone. Replaced by a company enthralled and driven by profit margin only. This is sad. Really. In reality the RAZR changed the company, for the worse in my opinion, for the consumer anyway, not Moto.

"He admits this is a relatively new approach for Motorola, which always prided itself in bringing the latest technology to consumers--it made the smallest first-generation analog phones in the 1990s, it was leading with second-generation GSM world phones around 2000 and pioneered in 3G handsets."



Posted by: tuolumne

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
I owned the A707, no it does not have 3d stereo sound or stereo speakers.


Yeah, so have I. There are two speaker grills on the front flip facing away.

Sorry you never noticed.



Posted by: keiri

I hate to say it guys but you're wasting your time; iamthedudeman will not see what you are saying.

We've been down this road before and it never gets resolved.

K



Posted by: shaolinkaws

all i want is the razr maxx to work with cingular and my life will be complete lol i dont even care how much itl cost



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by keiri
I hate to say it guys but you're wasting your time; iamthedudeman will not see what you are saying.

We've been down this road before and it never gets resolved.

K


Don't worry, I am done ranting. This thread has been hijacked enough.

On a more important note. Where did you get the RIZR? I was looking at adding it to my collection. Quad band right? With EDGE and 2.0 megapixel camera?



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Don't worry, I am done ranting. This thread has been hijacked enough.

On a more important note. Where did you get the RIZR? I was looking at adding it to my collection. Quad band right? With EDGE and 2.0 megapixel camera?


I bought mine from CTI-Miami. Very nice people or Kahrlos.com; if you go with Kahrlos though email the owner for a great HoFo discount.

K



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by keiri
I bought mine from CTI-Miami. Very nice people or Kahrlos.com; if you go with Kahrlos though email the owner for a great HoFo discount.

K


Thanks bro. Much appreciated.



Posted by: Maverick05

Wow, haven't looked at this thread in a while (recently got an 8525, been spending a lot of tim ein the pda forum). When did this phoen go from testing to approved?



Posted by: formercanuck

Does anyone know if these Moto's can be 'seem edited' or 'flexed/flashed' similar to most other Motos ?



Posted by: Gtx1

New Title Approved!



Posted by: liknsmak

Just curious, since this moved to approved, does this clue us in on a date it'd be released?



Posted by: Gtx1

its one step closer to release.



Posted by: Tjash2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by liknsmak
Just curious, since this moved to approved, does this clue us in on a date it'd be released?


Not really, normally after phones are approved it in within the following couple of weeks.

Any pictures?



Posted by: suthurnlatino

This phone is in the new rebate form. 12/31/2006+ form



Posted by: robocellkid

Hey guys. This is great that its coming to Cingular. It doesn't affect me but I think its good that Cingular has not completely turned down all the 3G phones Motorola has to offer like they have with everything else (most importantly, the Maxx).

and just for fun I wanted to share wut IZAR means. All Motorola 3G phones' internal code names go by the name of a star or constellation. So yeah, thats cool.



Posted by: topnotchchach

Release Dates Anyone?!!!!!!



Posted by: CoRupT

Quote:
Originally Posted by robocellkid
Hey guys. This is great that its coming to Cingular. It doesn't affect me but I think its good that Cingular has not completely turned down all the 3G phones Motorola has to offer like they have with everything else (most importantly, the Maxx).

and just for fun I wanted to share wut IZAR means. All Motorola 3G phones' internal code names go by the name of a star or constellation. So yeah, thats cool.



I never knew that but what about regular phones?



Posted by: pianoplayer1

BTW, wirefly lists the IZAR - From the pics it has a dedicated CV button
Im confused about the second camera. Is there one?

http://www.wirefly.com/catalog/Cing...rola_V3xx_IZAR/



Posted by: liknsmak

Oh my god, they took out the second camera...

That button is for mobile TV according to what that site says. SMH.





Posted by: suthurnlatino

2 year price for this phone is 149.99 and no contract price is $299.99.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/...grebate2oh9.png



Posted by: jpmkam

Does the IZAR have the same resolution screen displays as the V3i?



Posted by: bobolito

According to Wirefly it has the same old 176 x 220 screen as all other RAZRs.



Posted by: jpmkam

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobolito
According to Wirefly it has the same old 176 x 220 screen as all other RAZRs.



Thanks I was afraid that was the case. I guess I'll wait until/if the MAXX ever makes it to Cingular.



Posted by: Michael95GT

Does anyone know what "IZAR" is supposed to mean?



Posted by: jewberg

it's a star or constellation.

thats what all these code names are

IZAR
Canary
Capri
Volans



Posted by: liknsmak

Weird, because the European version has a 240x320 screen...



Posted by: tstp

Quote:
Originally Posted by jewberg
it's a star or constellation.

thats what all these code names are

IZAR
Canary
Capri
Volans


I was curious about the name too, so I found this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_Bo%C3%B6tis



Posted by: topnotchchach

jewberg,

how you have the rizr already?

im trying to get my paws on one also.



Posted by: jman_se

Quote:
Originally Posted by suthurnlatino
2 year price for this phone is 149.99 and no contract price is $299.99.



Our agent location received the new price sheets in the other day and the IZAR is on it. The two year price after $50 rebate is $79.99 making it only slightly more expensive then other 3G phones.



Posted by: Maverick05

wow! that's impressive considering that the v3i is sellin gfor like triple that and the razr is practically sellin for 80



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobolito
According to Wirefly it has the same old 176 x 220 screen as all other RAZRs.



Not so. Our office just got the V3xx for testing yesterday and I had a chance to play around with it. I am quite sure it has 240 x 320 pixels, the screen on this phone is beautiful. I thought it was a QVGA screen. The camera is outstanding, it is the best 1.3 megapixel camera I have ever seen on any phone. No question.

What sets this phone apart from the rest of the Moto RAZR's is it's GPU. Yes this phone has a Mobile GPU. Is is the latest and best to be put in a cell phone to date. The Maxx also has one. These are the only two besides a few others with the 4800, other phones have earllier versions of the GPU such as the 4000 and 2150 models. The NVIDIA GoForce 4800 GPU is truely amazing, and man does it improve the camera and screen on this phone. Wow.

I can't wait to see the Maxx's camera with the same GPU.

The lens on the camera is top notch, and the NVIDIA GoForce 4800 GPU enhances the Camera and screen greatly. The new GUI and menu system is slightly different from the K1 and Rizr. I like it, very easy to use. And the dreaded Hi-Speed on the front of the phone is not gone but hardly noticeable. It is under the external screen on the glass and not on the phone like before.

I am truely impressed with this phone. This is what Moto should have been doing all along. Now this is the Moto I remember. They actually put some good technology, camera lens, GPU(one of the first of its kind in any phone) solid construction. It is slightly thicker at 15mm, but who cares. I am going to pick up this phone to replace my aging black V3.

Everyone is waiting on the MAXX, not me. I held both in my hand two months ago and while I did not get a chance to play with both I just played with the Maxx and dismissed the V3xx. Now that I got a chance to really play with the phone and use the phone I actually like it better than the Maxx. I don't know why maybe because it seems familar to me and I like the construction of the original V3 phone or that the Maxx seems cheaper to me. I don't know, I know I like this one better for now. The difference between the two is the Camera. The Maxx has the better camera and better external screen. The design of the phone is much like the original V3, but it is also new. I can't explain it but you just have to hold one in your hands and you will see what I am talking about. This is a great phone. Period.

Oh yeah, it does not have a foward VGA camera. Not on this one anyway, and I think this is a production model. That may change but I doubt it.



Posted by: Maverick05

does anyone know how many megahertz the processor for the phone (not the gpu) runs at?



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick05
does anyone know how many megahertz the processor for the phone (not the gpu) runs at?


here you go.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/motorazr_v3xx.html


here is the direct link to the specs:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/pg_20040916371668.html



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Not so. Our office just got the V3xx for testing yesterday and I had a chance to play around with it. I am quite sure it has 240 x 320 pixels, the screen on this phone is beautiful. I thought it was a QVGA screen. The camera is outstanding, it is the best 1.3 megapixel camera I have ever seen on any phone. No question.

What sets this phone apart from the rest of the Moto RAZR's is it's GPU. Yes this phone has a Mobile GPU. Is is the latest and best to be put in a cell phone to date. The Maxx also has one. These are the only two besides a few others with the 4800, other phones have earllier versions of the GPU such as the 4000 and 2150 models. The NVIDIA GoForce 4800 GPU is truely amazing, and man does it improve the camera and screen on this phone. Wow.

I can't wait to see the Maxx's camera with the same GPU.

The lens on the camera is top notch, and the NVIDIA GoForce 4800 GPU enhances the Camera and screen greatly. The new GUI and menu system is slightly different from the K1 and Rizr. I like it, very easy to use. And the dreaded Hi-Speed on the front of the phone is not gone but hardly noticeable. It is under the external screen on the glass and not on the phone like before.

I am truely impressed with this phone. This is what Moto should have been doing all along. Now this is the Moto I remember. They actually put some good technology, camera lens, GPU(one of the first of its kind in any phone) solid construction. It is slightly thicker at 15mm, but who cares. I am going to pick up this phone to replace my aging black V3.

Everyone is waiting on the MAXX, not me. I held both in my hand two months ago and while I did not get a chance to play with both I just played with the Maxx and dismissed the V3xx. Now that I got a chance to really play with the phone and use the phone I actually like it better than the Maxx. I don't know why maybe because it seems familar to me and I like the construction of the original V3 phone or that the Maxx seems cheaper to me. I don't know, I know I like this one better for now. The difference between the two is the Camera. The Maxx has the better camera and better external screen. The design of the phone is much like the original V3, but it is also new. I can't explain it but you just have to hold one in your hands and you will see what I am talking about. This is a great phone. Period.

Oh yeah, it does not have a foward VGA camera. Not on this one anyway, and I think this is a production model. That may change but I doubt it.



Correction: It appears I was wrong. My marketing manager says the foward camera is under the main screen. I saw it but thought they took out the camera since I can't find any menu's for video calling feature anywhere. On further inspection it apprears the camera is there but there is no function or menus for it. Why I don't know. Maybe they will add this feature in the future. Or maybe this isn't a production model. I was told it is a engineering prototype slated for production. I am not a engineer so I don't know. But wouldn't that mean that is a prototype slated for production, like the final product?

Any engineers here care to speculate?



Posted by: suthurnlatino

iamthedudeman, I noticed you said your office received the Cingular RAZR V3xx. Do you work for a Cingular Corp store?? I have not seen the unit yet, not even a dummy at a store.



Posted by: jpmkam

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Not so. Our office just got the V3xx for testing yesterday and I had a chance to play around with it. I am quite sure it has 240 x 320 pixels, the screen on this phone is beautiful. I thought it was a QVGA screen. The camera is outstanding, it is the best 1.3 megapixel camera I have ever seen on any phone. No question.

What sets this phone apart from the rest of the Moto RAZR's is it's GPU. Yes this phone has a Mobile GPU. Is is the latest and best to be put in a cell phone to date. The Maxx also has one. These are the only two besides a few others with the 4800, other phones have earllier versions of the GPU such as the 4000 and 2150 models. The NVIDIA GoForce 4800 GPU is truely amazing, and man does it improve the camera and screen on this phone. Wow.

I can't wait to see the Maxx's camera with the same GPU.

The lens on the camera is top notch, and the NVIDIA GoForce 4800 GPU enhances the Camera and screen greatly. The new GUI and menu system is slightly different from the K1 and Rizr. I like it, very easy to use. And the dreaded Hi-Speed on the front of the phone is not gone but hardly noticeable. It is under the external screen on the glass and not on the phone like before.

I am truely impressed with this phone. This is what Moto should have been doing all along. Now this is the Moto I remember. They actually put some good technology, camera lens, GPU(one of the first of its kind in any phone) solid construction. It is slightly thicker at 15mm, but who cares. I am going to pick up this phone to replace my aging black V3.

Everyone is waiting on the MAXX, not me. I held both in my hand two months ago and while I did not get a chance to play with both I just played with the Maxx and dismissed the V3xx. Now that I got a chance to really play with the phone and use the phone I actually like it better than the Maxx. I don't know why maybe because it seems familar to me and I like the construction of the original V3 phone or that the Maxx seems cheaper to me. I don't know, I know I like this one better for now. The difference between the two is the Camera. The Maxx has the better camera and better external screen. The design of the phone is much like the original V3, but it is also new. I can't explain it but you just have to hold one in your hands and you will see what I am talking about. This is a great phone. Period.

Oh yeah, it does not have a foward VGA camera. Not on this one anyway, and I think this is a production model. That may change but I doubt it.


The screen resolution still puzzles me as the Motorola specs say it's 65K for the external and 256 color for the internal display.

http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/v3xx/



Posted by: ghutchinson

I think thats 256K



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpmkam
The screen resolution still puzzles me as the Motorola specs say it's 65K for the external and 256 color for the internal display.

http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/v3xx/



Yes that is correct. Quarter Video Graphics Array (also known as Quarter VGA or QVGA) is a popular term for a computer display with 320 × 240 resolution.The name is derived from the fact that it offers 1/4 of the 640 × 480 maximum resolution of the original IBM VGA display technology.


By comparison the original V3 and V3i had 256K colors, with 176 x 220 pixels. Same colors less pixels. I think you are confusing pixels with colors here. Not the same thing. The V3xx and Maxx have 256k colors with 240x 320 pixels. Almost twice as many pixels hence a higher defination screen.

It is the same screen on the V3x and Maxx.



Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by suthurnlatino
iamthedudeman, I noticed you said your office received the Cingular RAZR V3xx. Do you work for a Cingular Corp store?? I have not seen the unit yet, not even a dummy at a store.


No. I own and operate a Marketing firm with my brother as a partner. We have several contracts for Marketing for Motorola as well as Cingular and quite a few others carriers and phone manufacturers. As well as car companies, airlines, cable and satellite providers, restaurants, professional sports teams such as football, hockey and baseball and too many others to list.

We come up with marketing stratagies and designs for pamplets, billboards, comercials, news paper ads as well as magazine ads. We usually get the phone four to six weeks upon release to come up with various marketing stratgies that accenuate the positive aspects of a particular product and come up with marketing stratgies for that product for our clients target or mass market audience according to market data and more importantly particular target market or location. As every market has it's strenghths and weakness according to area and our clients presence in that area or target market.

Example, we received the Palm 750W about six weeks back. We were asked to come up with marketing the phone and present it to HCA healthsystem as part of a marketing stratgey to which is the largest health system in the United States with Billions of dollars in net worth and over 300 Hospitals.

HCA recently dropped this carrier and went with another about a year and a half back because it lack of 3G services to use with their PDA's and 3G data cards for their electronic charts. Many of the HCA hospitals are going wireless with charts electronically stored on memory cards instead of paper charts. And 3G data PDA's and 3G data cards for their electronic charts were essential to this process to access alot of data quickly and when they needed it. And this particular carrier was not ready for their demands.

Now they are, and want that multimillion dollar contract back. So we were asked to Market the phone as the Flagship phone in their lineup to get this contract back. We are in the process of coming up with the marketing and to release it to this particular carrier once they release the phone which should be in a few days. I can't name, names, but you get the idea.



Posted by: ardvarkus

Well, no need to 'name names' with THAT post!

Sounds like fun work, though (hows that for an oxymoron?)

A

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
No. I own and operate a Marketing firm with my brother as a partner. We have several contracts for Marketing for Motorola as well as Cingular and quite a few others carriers and phone manufacturers. As well as car companies, airlines, cable and satellite providers, restaurants, professional sports teams such as football, hockey and baseball and too many others to list.

We come up with marketing stratagies and designs for pamplets, billboards, comercials, news paper ads as well as magazine ads. We usually get the phone four to six weeks upon release to come up with various marketing stratgies that accenuate the positive aspects of a particular product and come up with marketing stratgies for that product for our clients target or mass market audience according to market data and more importantly particular target market or location. As every market has it's strenghths and weakness according to area and our clients presence in that area or target market.

Example, we received the Palm 750W about six weeks back. We were asked to come up with marketing the phone and present it to HCA healthsystem as part of a marketing stratgey to which is the largest health system in the United States with Billions of dollars in net worth and over 300 Hospitals.

HCA recently dropped this carrier and went with another about a year and a half back because it lack of 3G services to use with their PDA's and 3G data cards for their electronic charts. Many of the HCA hospitals are going wireless with charts electronically stored on memory cards instead of paper charts. And 3G data PDA's and 3G data cards for their electronic charts were essential to this process to access alot of data quickly and when they needed it. And this particular carrier was not ready for their demands.

Now they are, and want that multimillion dollar contract back. So we were asked to Market the phone as the Flagship phone in their lineup to get this contract back. We are in the process of coming up with the marketing and to release it to this particular carrier once they release the phone which should be in a few days. I can't name, names, but you get the idea.




Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:
Originally Posted by ardvarkus
Well, no need to 'name names' with THAT post!

Sounds like fun work, though (hows that for an oxymoron?)

A



Well it is hard to describe exactly what I do in a few sentences. And I guess on my post that you know who I was talking about with the HCA deal. That was my intention.

It is fun, but hard work. I usually surf while not busy , but most of my work is making sure that everyone else is doing what they are supposed to be doing.

While I surf and take potential clients out to two hour lunches and travel to trade shows and listen to bad karyoke sung by Japanese tourists and drink good german beer. Hard work but fun.



Posted by: Maverick05

so... seeing how Cingular is going to debut video sharing at CES, what are the odds that they re-release this phone in 3 months with the front facing cam again?

I just dont' get why cingular is getting rid of these front facing cams (i recently also bought the 8525 with its missing front camera)... i mean you'd expect something like this from verizon who cripples their bluetooth so that you have to pay for ringtones, but with cingular, they're generally slightly more customer friendly in their policies...do they expect us to go out and buy new phones for this feature? It seems like if people's phones already had the capability, they could make more money off it by trying to push a 5 dollar "feature" or allowing it with unlimited media net plans or something.
my 2cents



Posted by: keiri

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick05
so... seeing how Cingular is going to debut video sharing at CES, what are the odds that they re-release this phone in 3 months with the front facing cam again?

I just dont' get why cingular is getting rid of these front facing cams (i recently also bought the 8525 with its missing front camera)... i mean you'd expect something like this from verizon who cripples their bluetooth so that you have to pay for ringtones, but with cingular, they're generally slightly more customer friendly in their policies...do they expect us to go out and buy new phones for this feature? It seems like if people's phones already had the capability, they could make more money off it by trying to push a 5 dollar "feature" or allowing it with unlimited media net plans or something.
my 2cents


From what I've read they're waiting until the upgrade to HSUPA to do 2-way video calling since HSDPA's current upload speed would hamper the service.

So it's like this:

Now: 1-way calling with HSDPA and no front facing cameras on the phones

Late 2007/early 2008: 2-way calling and front facing cameras on the phones

K



Posted by: anubis9278

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/...-motorola-v3xx/

my two cents<-------filler



Posted by: jpmkam

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamthedudeman
Yes that is correct. Quarter Video Graphics Array (also known as Quarter VGA or QVGA) is a popular term for a computer display with 320 × 240 resolution.The name is derived from the fact that it offers 1/4 of the 640 × 480 maximum resolution of the original IBM VGA display technology.


By comparison the original V3 and V3i had 256K colors, with 176 x 220 pixels. Same colors less pixels. I think you are confusing pixels with colors here. Not the same thing. The V3xx and Maxx have 256k colors with 240x 320 pixels. Almost twice as many pixels hence a higher defination screen.

It is the same screen on the V3x and Maxx.


Thanks.



Posted by: jdmikey

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/...es-motorizr-z6/

z6 ftw! nice phone



Posted by: Flywheel

Phone Scoop have just released details on the V3xx for Cingular.
It's 5mm longer that the V3 too.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1086



Posted by: FormulaNY

The Cingy version will have the QVGA display?!? Sign me up!



Posted by: Maverick05

on phone scoop they've listed it as hsdpa 1.8, i thought it was supposed to be 3.6



Posted by: jyalexop2003

You'll never be able to get over 1.8 download anyway, so no big deal.
Maybe with 4g networks, but this phone will be outdated long before
trhat.



Posted by: Maverick05

well yes, but since cingys network is capable of 3.6, if you're 1.8 phone won't get above half, well half of 3.6 is still faster than half of 1.8.



Posted by: syclone0252

Need help, I bought this phone off e-bay Razr v3x
the seller swears it will work with cingular but it doesnt list the 850 needed for cingular it list umts/900/1800/1900
and I cant get any signal with it, however the cingular office told me that little Rock, Arkansas has a newer sim card (3g) is this what I need?
please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!

James Sanders



Posted by: craigg

If Little Rock only has the 850mhz band then your phone will not work. I don't believe the sim card has anything to do with your issue and in any event I would never buy a phone in the usa that did not support the 850mhz band. Your eBay seller is not to bright and probably doesn't care too much about the customer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by syclone0252
Need help, I bought this phone off e-bay Razr v3x
the seller swears it will work with cingular but it doesnt list the 850 needed for cingular it list umts/900/1800/1900
and I cant get any signal with it, however the cingular office told me that little Rock, Arkansas has a newer sim card (3g) is this what I need?
please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!

James Sanders




Posted by: jyalexop2003

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick05
well yes, but since cingys network is capable of 3.6, if you're 1.8 phone won't get above half, well half of 3.6 is still faster than half of 1.8.


What are you talking about. Cingy will limit download capabilities to much less than theorteical 3.6Mb.
The most you can get now is between 700Kb - 1Mb.
It does not matter what the phone can suppoort if the network is tweaked to limit the throughput.
Even if you had a 10Mb phone you'd still be getting 800kb.



Posted by: syclone0252

here wher I live (close to Little Rock) cingular works on 850/1900
the phone supports 1900 but not the 850.
so will it work, I was thinking maybe something in the phone would not reconize the older Sim card. and it may need the new 3g card? any ideas?



Posted by: Flywheel

I stand to be corrected but aren't isn't V3xx advertised on Ebay only triband & will not operate on the Cingulars 3G network because they use a different frequency?



Posted by: liknsmak

Quote:
Originally Posted by syclone0252
Need help, I bought this phone off e-bay Razr v3x
the seller swears it will work with cingular but it doesnt list the 850 needed for cingular it list umts/900/1800/1900
and I cant get any signal with it, however the cingular office told me that little Rock, Arkansas has a newer sim card (3g) is this what I need?
please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!

James Sanders


The European v3xx will not work with GSM850 at the moment.

If you got a v3x, that will never work with GSM850 or american 3G.



Posted by: syclone0252

ok, anyone know how to destinguish between the European v3x and the american version that will work?
my v3x has the 2.0 megapixal camera on the outside and what appears to be another camera on the inside in the center hinge.



Posted by: Maverick05

the v3x is not and will not be compatible in the usa, it is only tri band. the v3xx has two versions. one is has the euro umts band and one has the two us umts bands. if ur phone has the two megapixel camera, then u have the v3x which only comes in one european non us compatible version. it lacks the 850 gsm band and has no umts band that will work here.



Posted by: liknsmak

You got a v3x and that is not the same phone as the v3xx this thread is describing.



Posted by: craigg

The American version (Izar) has not been released yet and the European version does not work on the 850mhz bands nor does it work on US HSDPA/UMTS networks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by syclone0252
ok, anyone know how to destinguish between the European v3x and the american version that will work?
my v3x has the 2.0 megapixal camera on the outside and what appears to be another camera on the inside in the center hinge.




Posted by: Michael95GT

Quote:
Originally Posted by syclone0252
Need help, I bought this phone off e-bay Razr v3x
the seller swears it will work with cingular but it doesnt list the 850 needed for cingular it list umts/900/1800/1900
and I cant get any signal with it, however the cingular office told me that little Rock, Arkansas has a newer sim card (3g) is this what I need?
please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!

James Sanders



Demand a refund.



Posted by: Maverick05

I really want this phone! DOes anyone have an update on when teh v3xx will be released? THe threads been approved for a while... i really really want it!



Posted by: CLERiC_AJ

I would also like to know when this phone might be coming out?? Is Cingular waiting to launch it with the 2nd, forward facing, camera until they launch their video calling service??

I am just hoping it comes out before that, but it seems like Cingular would hold off another few months and launch it with voice calling (or whatever the proper term is) and then charge an outrageously high premium for a "VideoCalling Razr"

Call me a pessimist, but its how I feel.



Posted by: Maverick05

So phonescoop says "While it's no surprise that this phone is coming to Cingular, what was surprising was that we were told the phone is already available. The V3xx has 1.8 Mbps HSDPA and all the applications that Cingular is including on its new 3G phones including video and music."

So do we think this means that the phone should be available any day now as soon as all the stores receive them?



Posted by: Dark_Pyro7

My guess is the will wait till monday the 15th. When they are starting all the switching to ATT. Wouldnt be surprised to see them already att branded. I could be way wrong on that. But still think it will be on the 15th.



Posted by: austinchuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_Pyro7
My guess is the will wait till monday the 15th. When they are starting all the switching to ATT. Wouldnt be surprised to see them already att branded. I could be way wrong on that. But still think it will be on the 15th.


I don't think we are only two days from launch at this point. We certainly are not two days from the launch of an at&t branded phone.



Posted by: troyboy30

its only a 1.8 phone? I thought it was going to be the 1st of the 3.6 phones! That's funny.



Posted by: Maverick05

My 8525's battery gets killed in part because when it is in 3g mode, after i use the internet or something that uses data, the data connection stays open. Is this something that the v3xx will do because that's how 3g phones handle data or is this something that's unique to WM5 devices? I ask in part becasue the v3xx's battery is much smaller than the 8525 and i hardly get a day of use out of it.



Posted by: FormulaNY

OK so it wasnt released today. Any new release info?



Posted by: SimpleCell

Quote:
Originally Posted by FormulaNY
OK so it wasnt released today. Any new release info?

my guess is the 21st



Posted by: KyT-MobileGuy

Anybody have semi-direct or direct info about a tentative release date?

J



Posted by: Maverick05

what are we basing the 21st release date on?



Posted by: grdella

i say 24th



Posted by: CLERiC_AJ

I say February...



Posted by: grdella

but seriously...i hope soon...3g just lit up in central CT and i would love to use it but i do not like lg or samsung phones...i just do not get same rf as motorola and nokia...i hate dropping calls...hopefully soon and the java apps will only ask once!!!



Posted by: suthurnlatino

They had a yellow 3G RAZR on a slide I saw today at the at&t meeting. Also saw a version in black but no release dates were given.



Posted by: Maverick05

suthurnlatino - did it have att branding or cingular?



Posted by: CoreyTheGent

Can't wait for the day when Motorola runs out of colors to paint the RAZR.



Posted by: mulletwireless

Motorola will be offering a Nokia Vertu-ish line of all the V3 and its sisters. They will come with all the perks you could expect from such a new brand. They had some on display at the CES.

V3i in 24K gold.....Sliver....or platinum.

Krzar V3r with embedded sapphires

L6 with an onyx fused body shell

L7 Slvr with a sterling sliver keypad and ruby moto logo

they will be sold in a few of the new moto stores that will be popping up all over the nation in 2007!



Posted by: xj911

Have you seen the boygenius report?

IZAR Info...as well as N75
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/



Posted by: Cltx11

Quote:
Originally Posted by CLERiC_AJ
I say February...


I say Feb too, the new rebate form that came out is dated from Jan 21st - Jan 31st and it is not included on there. So for the ones that want the phone hopefully itll be in Feb.



Posted by: anubis9278

1/26 in writing



Posted by: Maverick05

I can't wait for this phone! I have to say that i really wish the keypad on this phone was like that of the v3i instead of more similar to the razr in the sens that there are those verticle lines on both sides of the keys cause it makes the keys smaller. Also, i'm going to have to find a way to remap that CV button to Cingular Music assuming it has it on there.



Posted by: KyT-MobileGuy

"1/26 in writing"

Where, how do you know? Is this 100% confirmed....



Posted by: George Knighton

Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis9278
1/26 in writing

Hmmm. A QVGA, HSDPA Razr. Yeah, they've probably got me for that one, too.



While they were cramming stuff in there, though, they should've found room for the Krzr's 2.0 MP camera.



Posted by: FormulaNY

Quote:
Originally Posted by xj911
Have you seen the boygenius report?

IZAR Info...as well as N75
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/



OMG a Gold V3xx with that great screen and 3G. If this will truly go for $279 no commit price, I might have to pick it up.



Posted by: Flywheel

Yeah, weird Motorola have used the V3 style keypad as opposed to the V3i.
I wonder if I can put a V3i keypad on it instead?



Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:
Originally Posted by KyT-MobileGuy
"1/26 in writing"

Where, how do you know? Is this 100% confirmed....


the launch annoucement is available in csp for all channels.



Posted by: Maverick05

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flywheel
Yeah, weird Motorola have used the V3 style keypad as opposed to the V3i.
I wonder if I can put a V3i keypad on it instead?



My guess would be no because the buttoms arenthe same (i.e. middle menu button gone)



Posted by: Maverick05

Quote:
Originally Posted by FormulaNY
OMG a Gold V3xx with that great screen and 3G. If this will truly go for $279 no commit price, I might have to pick it up.


Based on that price and the fact that the v3i (without itunes and non D&G branded, just gold) sold/sells for more, i wonder if it is gold in color or actual gold.



Posted by: Maverick05

Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis9278
the launch annoucement is available in csp for all channels.


someone said the rebate form for 21-31 doesn't list it... so does that mean when this phone first coems out it's not going to have a rebate?



Posted by: anubis9278

its on the rebate form...$50 MIR

http://rapidshare.com/files/12770101/rebate.pdf.html





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