Google
 
Web www.howardforums.com
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16

AT&T 3G Rollout - Latest markets launching

(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)

Posted by: Joel954

This is getting ridiculous.


Posted by: formercanuck

Standard GSM BCCH has been shuffled here once again in Santa Clarita / San Fernando Valley. Instead of having BC 0144/148, its now 0152/0165.. not that this means much. Maybe I'll see 3G service before the end of my 2 year contract that started almost a year ago.


Posted by: cingular#1

surprised Myrtle Beach hasn't gotten it yet?


Posted by: rpmura

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
Why am I not surprised... I don't expect 3G service in Santa Clarita until 2008, if thats the case. Any reason cited for the holdup ?

No, I'm not sure. Just kind of fell behind I'd imagine. It's a lot of sites to turn up.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by rpmura
No, I'm not sure. Just kind of fell behind I'd imagine. It's a lot of sites to turn up.

While that may be true.... coverage in the valley (east and west) hasn't changed at all... I haven't noticed ANY new sites turned up on I-5 between Sylmar and Burbank/Glendale or on the 405 between Sylmar and Van Nuys, or on the 101 west of the 405...and there's nothing in the west valley itself (i.e. Northridge, Woodland Hills, West Hills, etc.). Sad thing is that I actually HAD 3G service in some of those areas last December, and there's none now.


Posted by: colione

I read an article, can't remember where...

It said AT&T has been focusing on tuning up EDGE in preperation for the iPhone launch, which is the reason for many markets not launching 3G lately. I have noticed speed tests in the EDGE area have increased speed slightly. I wonder how true the story was...


Posted by: jhardin1

Quote:
Originally Posted by colione
I'd say mid to late 08 for full video calling. Gotta get video share out and working first...


AT&T Mobility will be testing video call on several AT&T banded phones in Dallas-FTW and San Antonio, TX soon. Customers in those markets with the compatible AT&T branded phones will be able to purchase buckets of video calling minutes in order to use / test the service.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by colione
I read an article, can't remember where...

It said AT&T has been focusing on tuning up EDGE in preperation for the iPhone launch, which is the reason for many markets not launching 3G lately. I have noticed speed tests in the EDGE area have increased speed slightly. I wonder how true the story was...

I think it has its own relevance for the iPhone. at&t can 'tune' how many slots are allocated for EDGE service. Class 10 EDGE devices can use 4 timeslots on the download for up to 236.8 kbps. This will help data users, as I suspect that many areas have been limited to ~ 120 to 170kbps by allowing 2 or 3 timeslots instead of all 4.

I suspect that won't really help a lot of things though in non 3G areas, as audio calls will suffer more than they currently do, by pushing more timeslots for data. In 3G areas, this wouldn't be as much of a concern, as 3G voice and data would be handled in spectrum allocated for 3G, and voice/data are handled properly regardless.

If at&t is increasing the amount of timeslots for data, then they won't be able to complain about me using a full timeslot for voice!


Posted by: CyberMoto

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRC72
Drove through Springfield, Mass yesterday... Still no 3G up there.

Not enough people living out there for 3G?


Posted by: petard

Something happened with the FCC thing
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...466#attachments
But GAP Period Begins started again! Whats up with this?


Posted by: Joel954

Quote:
Originally Posted by petard
What? No its not.
EDGE (AT&T affiliate) owns some spectrum in the twin cities that is currently being transferred to AT&T so that the 3G can turn on.
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...466#attachments
The transfer should go through by the end of the month.

Which month/year? I'm tired of the empty promises.


Posted by: StattlichPassat

My 1.8Mbps connection is 'ho-hum' now. When does 3.6 get here?


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel954
Which month/year? I'm tired of the empty promises.

I will say this... at the end of my contract (14 more months), I'll be considering a different carrier. Most likely T-Mobile.

at&t has had 'weak' DSL out here (line capped at 2Mbps), and their tech has cut my line a few times (including yesterday), although they won't admit to it (van was up the block, left after I lost service, another van returned 5 hours later to 'fix' my short on their line).

VSDL is still a pipe dream - even though I'm in the center of a VDSL/Uverse city, and the VRAD is there, it won't be connected for another year according to the tech that had to come out and fix my POTS line (DSL still worked).

at&t mobility has been dragging its hairy knuckles on 3G deployment in Los Angeles (specifically San Fernando Valley), with nothing fixed/expanded in that half of Los Angeles in the past +6 months.

I personally think that since at&t has taken Cingular in completely, (vs. at&t + Bell South), its become one with the Borg, and has not done anything new since it was Cingular.


Posted by: el3ctone

Quote:
Originally Posted by colione
I'd say mid to late 08 for full video calling. Gotta get video share out and working first...


lucky for at&t users. Im on tmobile, and 3g hasn't even started, so video call won't be something I will see within a year or two for me.


Posted by: Fire14

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
I will say this... at the end of my contract (14 more months), I'll be considering a different carrier. Most likely T-Mobile.

at&t has had 'weak' DSL out here (line capped at 2Mbps), and their tech has cut my line a few times (including yesterday), although they won't admit to it (van was up the block, left after I lost service, another van returned 5 hours later to 'fix' my short on their line).

VSDL is still a pipe dream - even though I'm in the center of a VDSL/Uverse city, and the VRAD is there, it won't be connected for another year according to the tech that had to come out and fix my POTS line (DSL still worked).

at&t mobility has been dragging its hairy knuckles on 3G deployment in Los Angeles (specifically San Fernando Valley), with nothing fixed/expanded in that half of Los Angeles in the past +6 months.

I personally think that since at&t has taken Cingular in completely, (vs. at&t + Bell South), its become one with the Borg, and has not done anything new since it was Cingular.


Wow, your one of the last persons I expected hearing this from.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire14
Wow, your one of the last persons I expected hearing this from.

I personally have nothing against GSM / 3G, or even at&t, however, I feel lately that at&t has been stalling out on its deliverables.
- 3G no progress in San Fernando valley in over 6 months. No real expansion in many other areas. Other markets have had 'years' of 3G. My old V505 is getting old, and I don't want to be back to garbled AMR-half rate on my Samsung ZX-20.
- VDSL2 / Uverse. VRAD deployed, tech states it'll be another year before it goes live. Technically Valencia's been live for over a month.
- DSL service has gone from perfect (3Mbps/512kbps) to calls ever couple of months to at&t to come out and cut over a new pair
- at&t just killed my POTS line for ~5 hours claiming a short.

at&t is just like all the other companies out there.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I use at&t (Cingular/AT&T Wireless) because
a) it works
b) I get discounts from work
c) its GSM (like SIM cards, etc)


Posted by: shizri

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhardin1
AT&T Mobility will be testing video call on several AT&T banded phones in Dallas-FTW and San Antonio, TX soon. Customers in those markets with the compatible AT&T branded phones will be able to purchase buckets of video calling minutes in order to use / test the service.

so you will say when?


Posted by: ahduke99

Quote:
Originally Posted by cingular#1
surprised Myrtle Beach hasn't gotten it yet?



i wish we'd get it in charleston, sc soon. hell, we dont even have EDGE on parts of the peninsula. i have a phone ready for it.


Posted by: ilvla2

18000 down and 2500 up with Comcast (former Adelphia) up here... 3G? Even when it does come here it won't match that, no DSL out here either, AT&T (fomer SBC, former Pacific Bell) only has DSL in three CO's in the county (Ukiah, Fort Bragg and Willits).


Posted by: Fire14

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
I personally have nothing against GSM / 3G, or even at&t, however, I feel lately that at&t has been stalling out on its deliverables.
- 3G no progress in San Fernando valley in over 6 months. No real expansion in many other areas. Other markets have had 'years' of 3G. My old V505 is getting old, and I don't want to be back to garbled AMR-half rate on my Samsung ZX-20.
- VDSL2 / Uverse. VRAD deployed, tech states it'll be another year before it goes live. Technically Valencia's been live for over a month.
- DSL service has gone from perfect (3Mbps/512kbps) to calls ever couple of months to at&t to come out and cut over a new pair
- at&t just killed my POTS line for ~5 hours claiming a short.

at&t is just like all the other companies out there.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I use at&t (Cingular/AT&T Wireless) because
a) it works
b) I get discounts from work
c) its GSM (like SIM cards, etc)


I can see the reasons for having had enough of them, especially with the landline issues & DSL not helping things (including the lack of 3G for you)
Personally I don't worry about that, since I don't use my phone for data, due to the cost factor.

I agree with the positives, it's the same for me & the biggest thing is that it works where I need it.


Posted by: formercanuck

I don't use my phone for data either, however, AMR-half rate calls (had to call at&t tech support when my land line was down) was horrible. I used my Samsung zx-20, as the V505 was in the charger. It wasn't quite as bad as the call from relatives on the east coast (Verizon Wireless) to my house line, but it was really garbled up.
2 Reasons for me wanting 3G:
1. Cleaner calls - this AMR-half rate junk is getting old
2. The ability to use my phone as a modem for work if my DSL goes out, or I'm on the road. Note: EDGE won't cut it for remote desktop or X-11 over the Internet. DSL (2Mbps/512kbps) works well.


Posted by: Fire14

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
I don't use my phone for data either, however, AMR-half rate calls (had to call at&t tech support when my land line was down) was horrible. I used my Samsung zx-20, as the V505 was in the charger. It wasn't quite as bad as the call from relatives on the east coast (Verizon Wireless) to my house line, but it was really garbled up.
2 Reasons for me wanting 3G:
1. Cleaner calls - this AMR-half rate junk is getting old
2. The ability to use my phone as a modem for work if my DSL goes out, or I'm on the road. Note: EDGE won't cut it for remote desktop or X-11 over the Internet. DSL (2Mbps/512kbps) works well.


It's amazing the difference with the 1/2 rate there vs here, my calls are always clear & fine no garble or anything. But my wife's V505 does have the same issue as you & it may not be the network alone, her's doesn't do it everytime though.

I do have times when Verizon wireless calls to either my landline or cell are garbled as well & not sure why that is.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire14
It's amazing the difference with the 1/2 rate there vs here, my calls are always clear & fine no garble or anything. But my wife's V505 does have the same issue as you & it may not be the network alone, her's doesn't do it everytime though.

I do have times when Verizon wireless calls to either my landline or cell are garbled as well & not sure why that is.

My V505 is 'good' because I disable AMR-half rate. My Samsung ZX-20 isn't all that great until I go over the hill into Burbank and hit 3G. It all depends on buildout and how it was implemented. If you're in a spectrum starved area, expect AMR-half rate as the standard. Now that at&t is upping the rates on EDGE, (most likely allowing devices all 4 timeslots for download), it will become more noticeable. Turning up 3G will accomplish a few things, one of them being the ability to free up that spectrum for EDGE. Allowing those with 3G devices to actually have clear calls would be another, and finally, those that want the bells and whistles could use 3G data. I just wish they'd quit dragging their feet on this. T-Mobile might actually have 3G deployed locally before at&t.


Posted by: Skuzz

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
I think it has its own relevance for the iPhone. at&t can 'tune' how many slots are allocated for EDGE service. Class 10 EDGE devices can use 4 timeslots on the download for up to 236.8 kbps. This will help data users, as I suspect that many areas have been limited to ~ 120 to 170kbps by allowing 2 or 3 timeslots instead of all 4.

I suspect that won't really help a lot of things though in non 3G areas, as audio calls will suffer more than they currently do, by pushing more timeslots for data. In 3G areas, this wouldn't be as much of a concern, as 3G voice and data would be handled in spectrum allocated for 3G, and voice/data are handled properly regardless.

If at&t is increasing the amount of timeslots for data, then they won't be able to complain about me using a full timeslot for voice!


It is a bit more than just reassigning timeslots for N task. The networks are designed to dynamically allocate timeslots based on traffic load, with a general priority of voice over data. More likely, they'd be throwing more ex-AMPS ex-TDMA frequency at GSM to be able to assign new pilots, or adding more T1 trunks to cell sites so they can sustain more total data users at once, as a sector full of EDGE users would use considerably much more bandwidth than a sector full of GSM users. A very basic site may have say, 2 T1 lines for redundancy, providing only 13 full-rate EDGE users (more like 10-12 with leftover bandwidth for control overhead) on the entire cell site, wheras the same 2 T1 lines could theoretically fit 320 GSM users (although practically a radio unit allocates say, 40 users per sector.)

The best way to make EDGE seem faster would be to give more back-end bandwidth, so a sector can sustain more simultaneous EDGE users.


Posted by: formercanuck

I'll agree with you there... a fixed amount of backend will create a bottleneck. Most areas within near or around 3G areas (i.e. areas that have 3G hardware deployed, but no 3G service), should already have this.
Ex AMPS/TDMA frequency should already be allocated in markets that are 1900 MHz only, and those that are in 850 MHz markets should already be down to the minimum allowable, as AMPS has been mandated until 2008.


Posted by: i0wnj00

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuzz
The best way to make EDGE seem faster would be to give more back-end bandwidth, so a sector can sustain more simultaneous EDGE users.


Does AT&T use cache servers for data users?
While not the ideal solution this would reduce the need to install/upgrade
that connect to the rest of the internet or help in reducing the load on the intranet.

You specify back-end I assume that this is the intranet portion of AT&T network.


Posted by: Skuzz

Quote:
Originally Posted by i0wnj00
Does AT&T use cache servers for data users?
While not the ideal solution this would reduce the need to install/upgrade
that connect to the rest of the internet or help in reducing the load on the intranet.

You specify back-end I assume that this is the intranet portion of AT&T network.


When I said back-end I meant like the backhaul from cell sites BTSes back to the MSC. My bad there.

As far as back-end servers, they already use a compression-cache server system on wap.cingular. You might notice this when browsing images on certain web sites as they are compressed to crap.

Serving up content with caching is of little importance if the Internet tubes aren't beefy enough to jam the data down though!


Posted by: blkballoon925

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuzz
Serving up content with caching is of little importance if the Internet tubes aren't beefy enough to jam the data down though!

Well, you know it's not like a big truck that you can just dump something on, it's a series of tubes.
(If you don't know what I'm talking about, see this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes)


Posted by: wahoo2dore

anyone have info re a 3g rollout in central va - particularly charlottesville?


Posted by: PhillipD76

So.. I went through the AT&T map, the map updated as of May 31st shows these markets having at least some 3G service in the locality. One MSA only has 3G along a highway. Feel free to correct any of this. C=Yes

Also it shows that about 65 of the top 100 markets have 3G in some form now, as well as about 84% of the total MSA's top 100 population. Please excuse the formatting below.

3G? Est Pop. MSA Name
C 18,603,110 New York-Newark-Edison, NY-NJ-PA MSA
C 12,745,084 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA MSA
C 9,286,207 Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI MSA
C 5,751,803 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD MSA
C 5,432,348 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX MSA
C 5,232,107 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL MSA
C 5,026,217 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA
C 4,986,399 Houston-Baytown-Sugar Land, TX MSA
C 4,529,256 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA MSA
C 4,484,140 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI MSA
C 4,445,899 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH MSA
C 4,179,500 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA MSA
C 3,515,184 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA
C 3,500,151 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ MSA
C 3,125,833 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA MSA
3,054,637 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI MSA
C 2,906,660 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA MSA
C 2,729,045 St. Louis, MO-IL MSA
C 2,601,990 Baltimore-Towson, MD MSA
C 2,490,295 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA
2,418,198 Pittsburgh, PA MSA
2,239,756 Denver-Aurora, CO MSA
C 2,147,832 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA
C 2,040,746 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA
C 2,016,357 Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA MSA
C 1,930,191 Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville, CA MSA
C 1,889,315 Kansas City, MO-KS MSA
C 1,786,620 San Antonio, TX MSA
C 1,752,192 Orlando, FL MSA
C 1,739,443 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA MSA
C 1,659,893 Columbus, OH MSA
C 1,613,159 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA MSA
1,612,929 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA
C 1,574,680 Indianapolis, IN MSA
C 1,522,164 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA
C 1,512,504 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA
C 1,410,292 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC MSA
C 1,353,096 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro, TN MSA
C 1,349,291 Austin-Round Rock, TX MSA
C 1,315,254 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA MSA
C 1,230,554 Memphis, TN-MS-AR MSA
C 1,182,832 Louisville, KY-IN MSA
C 1,177,602 Jacksonville, FL MSA
C 1,168,100 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA
1,163,148 Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Tonawanda, NY MSA
1,126,262 Richmond, VA MSA
1,121,271 Oklahoma City, OK MSA
C 1,068,177 Birmingham-Hoover, AL MSA
1,042,782 Rochester, NY MSA
C 997,197 Salt Lake City, UT MSA
C 896,202 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT MSA
896,019 Honolulu, HI MSA
C 881,221 Tucson, AZ MSA
C 877,909 Tulsa, OK MSA
C 859,126 Raleigh-Cary, NC MSA
846,710 Dayton, OH MSA
C 835,657 New Haven-Milford, CT MSA
835,582 Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY MSA
C 834,632 Fresno, CA MSA
784,463 Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA MSA
C 783,920 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA MSA
770,321 Worcester, MA MSA
C 758,082 Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ MSA
757,848 Grand Rapids-Wyoming, MI MSA
C 753,988 Albuquerque, NM MSA
C 716,817 Baton Rouge, LA MSA
C 700,267 Akron, OH MSA
697,562 El Paso, TX MSA
C 694,059 Bakersfield, CA MSA
684,236 Springfield, MA MSA
C 664,229 Columbia, SC MSA
C 659,515 Toledo, OH MSA
C 657,932 Greensboro-High Point, NC MSA
653,497 Syracuse, NY MSA
644,525 Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY MSA
C 629,975 Knoxville, TN MSA
C 622,847 Little Rock-North Little Rock, AR MSA
620,136 Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice, FL MSA
614,474 McAllen-Edinburg-Pharr, TX MSA
C 614,302 Stockton, CA MSA
C 596,340 Youngstown-Warren-Boardman, OH-PA MSA
581,379 Wichita, KS MSA
574,939 Greenville, SC MSA
565,404 Colorado Springs, CO MSA
562,666 Charleston-North Charleston, SC MSA
C 553,155 Scranton--Wilkes-Barre, PA MSA
519,603 Madison, WI MSA
C 514,552 Harrisburg-Carlisle, PA MSA
507,176 Augusta-Richmond County, GA-SC MSA
505,508 Jackson, MS MSA
500,553 Portland-South Portland, ME MSA
On Interstate 4 Only 498,721 Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL MSA
498,094 Boise City-Nampa, ID MSA
497,253 Des Moines, IA MSA
C 495,576 Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, FL MSA
482,667 Chattanooga, TN-GA MSA
C 482,440 Modesto, CA MSA
478,561 Lancaster, PA MSA
475,639 Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL MSA
468,386 Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA MSA
C 460,771 Ogden-Clearfield, UT MSA
C 459,435 Deltona-Daytona Beach-Ormond Beach, FL MSA
453,620 Lansing-East Lansing, MI MSA
C 445,160 Durham, NC MSA
441,423 Flint, MI MSA
C 433,980 Winston-Salem, NC MSA
427,506 Spokane, WA MSA
424,484 Pensacola-Ferry Pass-Brent, FL MSA
416,383 Lexington-Fayette, KY MSA
413,408 Salinas, CA MSA
C 411,072 Vallejo-Fairfield, CA MSA
C 407,106 Canton-Massillon, OH MSA
405,116 Corpus Christi, TX MSA
403,084 Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Goleta, CA MSA
400,163 Mobile, AL MSA
396,647 Fort Wayne, IN MSA
C 396,386 Provo-Orem, UT MSA
392,410 Manchester-Nashua, NH MSA
389,209 York-Hanover, PA MSA
C 382,242 Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX MSA
382,108 Reading, PA MSA
381,772 Visalia-Porterville, CA MSA
378,727 Springfield, MO MSA
378,562 Asheville, NC MSA
377,885 Shreveport-Bossier City, LA MSA
375,140 Davenport-Moline-Rock Island, IA-IL MSA
368,043 Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers, AR-MO MSA
365,826 Peoria, IL MSA
365,748 Reno-Sparks, NV MSA
C 359,463 Trenton-Ewing, NJ MSA
357,812 Salem, OR MSA
353,742 Huntsville, AL MSA
353,561 Brownsville-Harlingen, TX MSA
351,229 Montgomery, AL MSA
349,241 Hickory-Morganton-Lenoir, NC MSA
344,022 Evansville, IN-KY MSA
339,360 Fayetteville, NC MSA
338,009 Killeen-Temple-Fort Hood, TX MSA
337,638 Port St. Lucie-Fort Pierce, FL MSA
C 334,351 Ann Arbor, MI MSA
334,124 Anchorage, AK MSA
C 327,869 Tallahassee, FL MSA
327,247 Rockford, IL MSA
326,666 Eugene-Springfield, OR MSA
318,706 Kalamazoo-Portage, MI MSA
318,404 South Bend-Mishawaka, IN-MI MSA
306,187 Charleston, WV MSA
299,790 Savannah, GA MSA
298,707 Utica-Rome, NY MSA
289,498 Roanoke, VA MSA
289,236 Green Bay, WI MSA
287,013 Wilmington, NC MSA
286,184 Huntington-Ashland, WV-KY-OH MSA
283,133 Columbus, GA-AL MSA
280,370 Erie, PA MSA
279,197 Boulder, CO MSA
278,345 Fort Smith, AR-OK MSA
276,691 Naples-Marco Island, FL MSA
276,298 Duluth, MN-WI MSA
274,178 Lincoln, NE MSA
272,553 Ocala, FL MSA
264,605 Fort Collins-Loveland, CO MSA
C 262,689 Norwich-New London, CT MSA
C 259,423 Atlantic City, NJ MSA
259,322 Spartanburg, SC MSA
254,439 Lubbock, TX MSA
253,814 Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA MSA
253,408 San Luis Obispo-Paso Robles, CA MSA
252,096 Binghamton, NY MSA
249,889 Gulfport-Biloxi, MS MSA
245,913 Holland-Grand Haven, MI MSA
242,553 Lafayette, LA MSA
241,485 Cedar Rapids, IA MSA
C 236,974 Gainesville, FL MSA
236,174 Bremerton-Silverdale, WA MSA
234,893 Clarksville, TN-KY MSA
231,642 Amarillo, TX MSA
230,980 Kingsport-Bristol, TN-VA MSA
230,771 Hagerstown-Martinsburg, MD-WV MSA
229,859 Lynchburg, VA MSA
228,577 Barnstable Town, MA MSA
225,796 Topeka, KS MSA
225,398 Merced, CA MSA
225,045 Macon, GA MSA
224,823 Yakima, WA MSA
217,713 Waco, TX MSA
217,641 Olympia, WA MSA
213,646 Champaign-Urbana, IL MSA
210,087 Saginaw-Saginaw Township North, MI MSA
209,203 Chico, CA MSA
208,513 Appleton, WI MSA
207,611 Laredo, TX MSA
206,039 Myrtle Beach-Conway-North Myrtle Beach, SC MSA
205,014 Greeley, CO MSA
203,201 Springfield, IL MSA
203,111 Kennewick-Richland-Pasco, WA MSA
202,943 Burlington-South Burlington, VT MSA
197,295 Longview, TX MSA
196,860 Houma-Bayou Cane-Thibodaux, LA MSA
195,168 Florence, SC MSA
194,654 Sioux Falls, SD MSA
193,614 Tuscaloosa, AL MSA
192,988 Lake Charles, LA MSA
191,012 Racine, WI MSA
189,017 College Station-Bryan, TX MSA
186,465 Elkhart-Goshen, IN MSA
186,430 Medford, OR MSA
183,505 Johnson City, TN MSA
181,437 Tyler, TX MSA
181,434 Lafayette, IN MSA
179,986 Kingston, NY MSA
179,057 Prescott, AZ MSA
178,924 Charlottesville, VA MSA
178,664 Las Cruces, NM MSA
177,064 Fargo, ND-MN MSA
176,925 Bloomington, IN MSA
175,708 Fort Walton Beach-Crestview-Destin, FL MSA
174,362 Bellingham, WA MSA
172,183 St. Cloud, MN MSA
171,799 Redding, CA MSA
171,765 Muskegon-Norton Shores, MI MSA
171,038 Athens-Clarke County, GA MSA
170,578 Anderson, SC MSA
170,113 Monroe, LA MSA
169,759 Terre Haute, IN MSA
C 169,415 Rochester, MN MSA
167,407 Yuma, AZ MSA
163,381 Parkersburg-Marietta, WV-OH MSA
163,091 Waterloo-Cedar Falls, IA MSA
162,285 Niles-Benton Harbor, MI MSA
160,972 Jackson, MI MSA
149,253 Monroe, MI MSA
143,416 Springfield, OH MSA
138,375 Battle Creek, MI MSA
128,004 Mansfield, OH MSA
118,007 Vero Beach, FL MSA
112,602 Victoria, TX MSA
109,096 Elizabethtown, KY MSA
102,316 Lawrence, KS MSA


Posted by: ilvla2

What does the C stand for, 3G? If so, that list is off on a few cities.

171,799 Redding, CA MSA They have EVDO via Verizon Wireless
468,386 Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA MSA They also have EVDO Via Verizon Wireless.

I don't know about Sprint, they don't have service up here so I don't keep up on them.


Posted by: PhillipD76

Sorry I neglected to mention that it was cingular 3G only and only as of the map from the 31st of May.

I wasn't looking into Verizon or Sprint at all.


Posted by: ilvla2

No worries, that's a good list by the way, thanks! I sure wish they'd start rolling out their 3G more aggresively up here in NorCal, currently it's not available anywhere north of Marin County or Sacramento County


Posted by: wierdo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilvla2
No worries, that's a good list by the way, thanks! I sure wish they'd start rolling out their 3G more aggresively up here in NorCal, currently it's not available anywhere north of Marin County or Sacramento County

Don't feel bad, the headquarters of the world's largest private employer and world's largest retailer still doesn't have Cingular 3G.


Posted by: telarium

Quote:
Originally Posted by wierdo
Don't feel bad, the headquarters of the world's largest private employer and world's largest retailer still doesn't have Cingular 3G.


That's because the world's largest private employer and retailer has their own (edit: private) MVNO.


Posted by: neilson

Quote:
Originally Posted by telarium
That's because the world's largest private employer and retailer has their own (edit: private) MVNO.

Who's it run off of? Alltel?


Posted by: formercanuck

C 12,745,084 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA MSA
Partial coverage

C 3,515,184 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA
Partial Coverage

C 2,906,660 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA MSA
Well covered (IMO)

C 1,930,191 Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville, CA MSA
Appears covered

C 1,739,443 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA MSA
Appears covered

C 834,632 Fresno, CA MSA
Local coverage

C 783,920 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA MSA
Oxnard has coverage, nothing in Thousand Oaks or Ventura

C 694,059 Bakersfield, CA MSA
Local coverage

C 614,302 Stockton, CA MSA
Local coverage

C 482,440 Modesto, CA MSA
Local coverage

413,408 Salinas, CA MSA
Nothing

C 411,072 Vallejo-Fairfield, CA MSA
Coverage - mainly near the freeway/Interstate 50

403,084 Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Goleta, CA MSA
Nothing

381,772 Visalia-Porterville, CA MSA
Nothing

253,814 Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA MSA
Nothing

253,408 San Luis Obispo-Paso Robles, CA MSA
Nothing

225,398 Merced, CA MSA
Nothing

209,203 Chico, CA MSA
Nothing

171,799 Redding, CA MSA
Nothing


Posted by: applerokr

Quote:
183,505 Johnson City, TN MSA

When I look on Cingulars 3G coverage map (which states it was updated on May 31), Johnson City, TN still shows EDGE. Has Cingular/ATT actually been testing it here. Can anyone confirm?


Posted by: Skuzz

Quote:
Originally Posted by applerokr
When I look on Cingulars 3G coverage map (which states it was updated on May 31), Johnson City, TN still shows EDGE. Has Cingular/ATT actually been testing it here. Can anyone confirm?


As the list says, only entries with a C next to them actually have any kind of 3G - the rest are just markets listed for the confusion of it all.


Posted by: formercanuck

I think at&t doesn't use 'MSA' as a list for markets.

according to the long list, there's 79 MSA's with 3g.

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?p...articleid=23983
Quote:
Video Share is now available in three initial U.S. markets: Atlanta, Dallas and San Antonio. Service availability will then expand in late July throughout the company's 3G wireless network footprint, which covers more than 160 U.S. markets today. The service works exclusively over the AT&T 3G wireless network.


I think the word 'covers' is a little misleading as well. 'Reaches' or 'touches' may be more truthful.


Posted by: PhillipD76

I agree, **covering** would lead us to believe that there is more coverage than there really is. But then again, Wireless providers typically like to embellish the details.


Posted by: PhillipD76

Maybe I should have had a Y or N there. I mainly listed them so that someone would be able to see that it is a market and not just a city incorporated into another market. Sorry for the confusion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuzz
As the list says, only entries with a C next to them actually have any kind of 3G - the rest are just markets listed for the confusion of it all.



Posted by: jhardin1

Quote:
Originally Posted by PhillipD76
Maybe I should have had a Y or N there. I mainly listed them so that someone would be able to see that it is a market and not just a city incorporated into another market. Sorry for the confusion.


Well I liked the list, and understood what the 'C' ment when I read it, Its was interesting to she the population as related to if or if not there was Cingular 3G there. I also understood that MSA related to geographical not wireless service areas.


Posted by: ilvla2

The Santa Rosa, CA market has no 3G with AT&T either.


Posted by: applerokr

Quote:
Originally Posted by jhardin1
Well I liked the list, and understood what the 'C' ment when I read it, Its was interesting to she the population as related to if or if not there was Cingular 3G there. I also understood that MSA related to geographical not wireless service areas.

So the "C" means there is 3G coverage from at&t/cingular?
I really am not sure that list is 100% accurate.
Or does it mean there is 3G coverage but mabye from another provider (Sprint/Verizon)


Posted by: PhillipD76

All I was saying really is that I pulled up the city or cities on the cingular coverage viewer and they showed at least **some** 3G in the area. The Cingular map would not show Sprint or Verizon, and probably not any other carrier that they do not have some sort of agreement to provide coverage for. I dont even know if Cingular has roaming agreements for any 3G types of service.

Quote:
Originally Posted by applerokr
So the "C" means there is 3G coverage from at&t/cingular?
I really am not sure that list is 100% accurate.
Or does it mean there is 3G coverage but mabye from another provider (Sprint/Verizon)



Posted by: char777

Do you know *when* markets that currently don't get UMTS will get it?

T-Mobile's UMTS is coming to Denver I believe in early 2008. I'm surprised it's taken so long for UMTS to get here. Perhaps it has something to do with NORAD and AFA.


Posted by: wierdo

Quote:
Originally Posted by PhillipD76
I dont even know if Cingular has roaming agreements for any 3G types of service.

They don't. Cingular is currently the only carrier in the US offering UMTS.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by wierdo
They don't. Cingular is currently the only carrier in the US offering UMTS.

What about Rogers Canada ? Is there a 3G roaming agreement for Rogers yet ?


Posted by: mmaximus

Quote:
Originally Posted by char777
Do you know *when* markets that currently don't get UMTS will get it?


For a few markets including Denver, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis and OKC it'll be sometime after the FCC approves a spectrum transfer between Edge Wireless and ATT.


Posted by: snoVVman

Quote:
Originally Posted by char777
Do you know *when* markets that currently don't get UMTS will get it?

T-Mobile's UMTS is coming to Denver I believe in early 2008. I'm surprised it's taken so long for UMTS to get here. Perhaps it has something to do with NORAD and AFA.


The prospect of UMTS/HSDPA is what kept me with Cingular. EDGE just doesn't cut it when compared to EVDO (especially now with Rev. A). Someone joked that T-Mobile might get their UMTS deployed before Cingular completes its deployment. If that is the case, I'm walking away from Cingular.


Posted by: flaminmonkeybut

Can someone explain why there is a gap between two major 3G coverage areas in Northern NJ? I don't understand the reasoning behind that; why not just make it continuous, especially if all of the towers in the area have been upgraded to UMTS/HSPDA. I mean look at all of the other coverage in the state, its continuous, with the exception of Atlantic City and Cape Cod area, than why not implement everything in the same manner, its not like northern NJ has rural areas, any coverage would simply benefit AT&T anyway.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by snoVVman
The prospect of UMTS/HSDPA is what kept me with Cingular. EDGE just doesn't cut it when compared to EVDO (especially now with Rev. A). Someone joked that T-Mobile might get their UMTS deployed before Cingular completes its deployment. If that is the case, I'm walking away from Cingular.


AT&T/Cingular is waiting on FCC to allow it use of 10MHz of Edge Wireless spectrum.

T-Mobile is waiting on spectrum from the AWS auction to be available.

I suspect (hope?) that both haven't been sitting and waiting, but have service ready to go when they have their licenses.


Posted by: Skuzz

Quote:
Originally Posted by PhillipD76
Maybe I should have had a Y or N there. I mainly listed them so that someone would be able to see that it is a market and not just a city incorporated into another market. Sorry for the confusion.


Hey however you want to format it is fine. I interpreted the list ok. Thanks for compiling it, much easier than scrolling around on the map trying to find 3G areas.


Posted by: calancaster

I live in Los Angeles near Pico and Crescent Heights Blvd and get sporadic 3G service in my house (1 bar or None) but good to very good EDGE service (2 to 3 bars). What I don't understand is: Why is the EDGE signal stronger than the 3G signal? Aren't they coming from the same Cell Tower. When I have my phone on Auto Network selection, it always selects the EDGE signal; VERY RARELY does it go to 3G (unless I change band selection to UMTS only). But when I do that, sometimes I'll get no signal.


Posted by: formercanuck

2 Reasons:

1. Not all sites are 3G in Los Angeles ( many parts of Los Angeles don't have any 3G service).

2. GSM including GPRS/EDGE uses GSM 850 and GSM 1900. UMTS in Los Angeles is 1900 MHz only right now.

Being that UMTS / 3G is only available in some areas, and that it is on 1900 MHz (no 850 MHz service yet), it will be weaker.


Posted by: PhillipD76

FYI? Did you mean Cape May? Cape Cod is in Massachusetts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by flaminmonkeybut
I mean look at all of the other coverage in the state, its continuous, with the exception of Atlantic City and Cape Cod area, than why not implement everything in the same manner, its not like northern NJ has rural areas, any coverage would simply benefit AT&T anyway.



Posted by: flaminmonkeybut

Yes, I'm sorry, I meant Cape May


Posted by: Da_G

North end of Riverside, CA just lit up near columbia and main a few hours ago.


Posted by: BlueNgu

Anyone know when Wichita, KS will have UMTS? I was wondering if we are in the same boat as Denver and OKC in that we are waiting for the OK from the FCC to use the spectrum from Edge.


Posted by: urmobilesky

Wirelessly posted (SAMSUNG-SGH-A707/1.0 SHP/VPP/R5 NetFront/3.3 SMM-MMS/1.2.0 profile/MIDP-2.0 configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.1.17.0)

That same situation is affecting the Pittsburgh,Pa market. Lets hope that edge spectrum gets approval soon. Anyone have more news on that?


Posted by: Da_G

Looks like the rollout was more widespread than just n. riverside, driving west towards la on the 60 fwy, uninterrupted 3g coverage so far out to ontario.


Posted by: gacox

I have T-mobile now and want to get 3G..so I need to switch to AT&T. I want to stick to GSM so AT&T is the choice. So, I also wanted to know if anyone knows when 3G will be here in Wichita, Kansas w/AT&T.


Posted by: fluxcap84

Minneapolis, MN. By end of October 2007, maybe in mid-November. And I'm not afraid to admit it, you can hold me to my words on this.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_G
Looks like the rollout was more widespread than just n. riverside, driving west towards la on the 60 fwy, uninterrupted 3g coverage so far out to ontario.

They're getting to the end of 2nd quarter 2007, so I'd expect some sites to finally be turned up... after all, the San Fernando Valley's 3G coverage hasn't increased in over 6 months (mid December - mid June).


Posted by: Da_G

went and played on the freeway, seeing continuous 3g service from redlands, ca west to hacienda heights where it drops out until west covina on 10/60. continues from there to the coast wblackjack locked to wcdma.


Posted by: formercanuck

I'm not sure if the blackjack 'locked' on 3g works similar to the Samsung zx20 on 3g, as it allows for 3g indication where 3g is in test mode, but not live (ie calls won't work).


Posted by: Da_G

Aside from the indicator, bar signal meter, and signal strength in dBm on the debug screen, I was using data most of the time so i'm sure there was a signal. Only lost it in a short very hilly area just after the 57 fwy, for about 15 seconds. Locking the blackjack to WCDMA only means it wont search for an edge/gsm signal at all, even when the 3g signal is low/not there and it normally would jump over on automatic mode.


Posted by: Joel954

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldmember2
Since VZW has the 850 in the Twin Citites is it reasonable to assume that 3G in the twin citites won't happen any time soon?

Like I said, your assumption is correct.


Posted by: formercanuck

Looks like 3G is up in Valencia as well. All sites in Valencia/Saugus appear to be live, except the sites (2 mini / street lightpole mounted) in Stevenson's Ranch.
I'll be able to see if its up in Canyon Country tomorrow.


Posted by: ziggy3055

Quote:
Originally Posted by fluxcap84
Minneapolis, MN. By end of October 2007, maybe in mid-November. And I'm not afraid to admit it, you can hold me to my words on this.

if your correct....THANK GOD! I can't believe it's taking so long for getting it going up here i've been waiting forever it seems


Posted by: Da_G

so far i've yet to hit an area of no 3g service in the inland empire since it got turned up a few days ago. happy me!


Posted by: formercanuck

3G appears to be up in Canyon Country as well.
It appears that the smaller sites (1 panel/sector) are not 3G - so far. Audio quality is MUCH better than it was on standard GSM, even when I make calls when the signal is worse than -100 dBm - no cuts / garbles or dropouts.

On a downside note... 3G coverage doesn't currently hit much of the west San Fernando Valley. CA-118 loses 3G service (forced 3G) before I hit Reseda. Driving Topanga to Fry's, I don't pick up 3G again until I drive onto the 101, and its weak all the way to the 101/405 interchange. Service is decent from Burbank /405 to Roscoe/Burbank, where it becomes weak until I hit Devonshire/405 (roof mounted site), and it remains strong through 405/I-5 merge and into Valencia.


Posted by: ilvla2

How is it on the Metrolink and Amtrak Lines in the IE? I would assume good on the ones near the freeways, like the 91 line.


Posted by: formercanuck

Never been on the Metrolink... I've only seen it pass by Newhall station.


Posted by: llkoola1

They could put up 3G here in Minneapolis, I might have to go to Rochester to see what it's like.


Posted by: Joel954

Quote:
Originally Posted by llkoola1
They could put up 3G here in Minneapolis, I might have to go to Rochester to see what it's like.

Call quality is amazing. It's a lot clearer than 2G. Just like the person is standing in front of you. Crystal clear!


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel954
Call quality is amazing. It's a lot clearer than 2G. Just like the person is standing in front of you. Crystal clear!

Its pretty much the same as a GSM call using EFR codec (with good signal) or AMR-full rate codec.
I was amazed with the call quality on GSM when I purchased my Motorola P7382i AT&T Wireless phone (EFR codec only) when coming from TDMA. Unfortuantely, newer phones came with AMR codec and a network preference of AMR-half rate codec.

For those who have gone from GSM on most phones to 3G, there is a significant difference. This is why many of us have complained over AMR-half rate and have hacked many Motorolas to disable it.


Posted by: evancg

I'm out of contract and thinking about switching to Sprint or Verizon for a variety of reasons (one of them being the availability of EVDO in my area). However, if I had any idea when ATT 3G was going to be available, that might make my decision harder. Does anyone have any word or thoughts on when 3G might be available in Eugene, Oregon?


Posted by: urmobilesky

Wirelessly posted (SAMSUNG-SGH-A707/1.0 SHP/VPP/R5 NetFront/3.3 SMM-MMS/1.2.0 profile/MIDP-2.0 configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.1.17.0)

at&t should be in most areas, even smaller markets by the October/November timeframe. Thats what a local store says. That is saying a lot if thats really true, time will tell.


Posted by: formercanuck

Word has it from the local store that at&t 3G service should be in the West San Fernando Valley in a couple of weeks.

Bluetooth caps me (Samsung zx-20). Not sure why ISP shows as VZW (yuck!)



Latency is good - 1st hop is ~ 130 to 150ms.

$ ping www.yahoo.com
PING www.yahoo-ht3.akadns.net (209.131.36.158): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 209.131.36.158: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=178 ms
64 bytes from 209.131.36.158: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=165 ms
64 bytes from 209.131.36.158: icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=165 ms
64 bytes from 209.131.36.158: icmp_seq=3 ttl=52 time=165 ms


Posted by: ilvla2

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
Never been on the Metrolink... I've only seen it pass by Newhall station.



Your loss, smog and congestion's gain If you do know somebody who knows though, it would be nice to know


Posted by: Da_G

I get reception just fine at the riverside and rialto metrolink stations.. i havent ridden the train since the wider 3g rollout though.. if I do though i'll be looking at my field test meter and report back


Posted by: macflauaus

With 3G being rolled out continuously, is there any hope of AT&Tingular spreading native coverage to other areas? My town/county is not covered by them (Washington County, IL, 62263). Is AT&T spreading most of their resources to upgrade existing towers to 3G?


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilvla2
Your loss, smog and congestion's gain If you do know somebody who knows though, it would be nice to know


I know this is somewhat OT...

When I worked in Northridge, it _would_ have been nice, however Metrolinks schedule blows, and it would have taken me 2x as long to take the train as even taking the bus.

Newhall --> Burbank --> Northridge. 1hour ... (6:55 -> 7:23 -> 7:31 --e> 8:00)
Northridge --> Burbank --> Newhall. 1 hour 43 minutes (5:30 --> 5:55 --> 6:40 --> 7:13)

If I missed the 5:30 train (i.e. had to stay late), I would have to take a Cab or find another way into Valencia... with daycare, it ain't happening.

Also, taking Metrolink to downtown L.A. on the weekend is no good - only 4 trips on the weekend. I.e. Ahmanson/Universal/Hollywood Bowl by Metrolink is out, as its last trip is 6 pm.

This is a somewhat better system (trains/busses run into the evening) http://www.gotransit.com/ and Toronto is much smaller than Los Angeles proper, and MUCH less when you add in all the other cities. (i.e. Toronto = 2.5 mil, 5.1 metro area vs. 3.8 million for L.A. alone, 13 million in the Los Angeles - Santa Ana - Long Beach area, 18 million in the greater Los Angeles area (1/2 the population of Canada).


Posted by: ilvla2

OT
It's only as good as the people who ride it, you gotta get in there and let them know it's not working for you! That is the only way it will improve, they need feed back. Feel free anytime to let me know, I'm a member of the Metrolink Rider Advisory Board, made up of riders like you and me, and I get surverys from them every few months. I will readily admit it's far from perfect, and needs a lot of improvements, but they are coming, trust me.

That said, it works well for many (especially in my hometown of Covina, the top station on the system!), and it's improving all the time. Add Amtrak's frequent Pacific Surfliners, and the Rail2Rail program (seamless transfers, and your ticket is good on either system) and getting around in SoCal is a far cry better than it was in the 70's and 80's. Growing up, my dad commuted every morning on the 210 from West Covina to the Main Post Office (he was a US Postal Inspector) in Pasadena, fighting traffic, tired and having no choices. Now, he could hop on Metrolink in Covina, hit the Gold Line in L.A .and it would literally drop him at his office! Remember, the Pacific Electric system of old won't be rebuilt overnight, and to see the progress since 1990 is amazing, it's happened all across California and the nation as well. Someday, SoCal will no longer be the butt of traffic and smog jokes around the country

I would suggest giving them a chance, it's kinda hard for me to get too sympathetic to you because you have stated you have never ridden them, you need to use the system yourself before passing sentence It'd kinda be like me coming in here and saying AT&T is no good, it stinks, etc. etc., then saying I've never personally used them. Thanks for the link by the way, that is a good system! OT

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled programming So, how about that 3G in SoCal?


Posted by: exchguy

This looks like some good news in the right direction. The application for spectrum transfers to get ATT the additional 1900mhz spectrum for 3G in Denver, Minn/St. Paul, Pittsburgh, and OKC are now "Consented To".

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...?applID=3973466


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilvla2
OT
I would suggest giving them a chance, it's kinda hard for me to get too sympathetic to you because you have stated you have never ridden them, you need to use the system yourself before passing sentence It'd kinda be like me coming in here and saying AT&T is no good, it stinks, etc. etc., then saying I've never personally used them. Thanks for the link by the way, that is a good system! OT

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled programming So, how about that 3G in SoCal?

Its a slightly different comparison... I have taken OC Transpo, ViaRail, GO Transit, TTC, MTA. This would be more like me saying I don't use Nextel because not because it stinks, but its plans and coverage don't suit my needs.
If I was commuting to Downtown L.A. daily, that would be a different story.

Sylmar was decent last night on 3G.


Posted by: walkguru

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
This looks like some good news in the right direction. The application for spectrum transfers to get ATT the additional 1900mhz spectrum for 3G in Denver, Minn/St. Paul, Pittsburgh, and OKC are now "Consented To".

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...?applID=3973466

hey hey, maybe we can get some 3g, here now. now back to the train chanell.


Posted by: Tjash2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
This looks like some good news in the right direction. The application for spectrum transfers to get ATT the additional 1900mhz spectrum for 3G in Denver, Minn/St. Paul, Pittsburgh, and OKC are now "Consented To".

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...?applID=3973466


Now we should have 3G real soon! I cannot wait!


Posted by: Shadowplay

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
This looks like some good news in the right direction. The application for spectrum transfers to get ATT the additional 1900mhz spectrum for 3G in Denver, Minn/St. Paul, Pittsburgh, and OKC are now "Consented To".

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...?applID=3973466

This actually sounds like real progress. We knew it was in the works, but it's nice to see it's been approved and AT&T can move forward with their rollout.

Now let the speculation begin on when these markets will start seeing some 3G activity. Being in the Denver area myself I'm hoping to see that lovely 3G icon show up on my 8525 by the end of summer. Maybe around Labor Day... it could happen.


Posted by: Maaz

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
This looks like some good news in the right direction. The application for spectrum transfers to get ATT the additional 1900mhz spectrum for 3G in Denver, Minn/St. Paul, Pittsburgh, and OKC are now "Consented To".

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...?applID=3973466


I'm trying to wait patiently here in Pittsburgh. I've noticed some problems with my EDGE service tonight where it switches to GPRS off and on; it's probably unrelated though.


Posted by: pabuzz24

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maaz
I'm trying to wait patiently here in Pittsburgh. I've noticed some problems with my EDGE service tonight where it switches to GPRS off and on; it's probably unrelated though.


I'm in Pittsburgh and when I manually search for a network on my Samsung Blackjack, there is a 3G network listed as one of the available networks. However, when I go to connect to it, I am unable to. Does this possibly mean that the network is there, but hasn't been launched yet due to the FCC bull? I sure hope so. I can't wait til Pittsburgh has 3G!!


Posted by: Maaz

Quote:
Originally Posted by pabuzz24
I'm in Pittsburgh and when I manually search for a network on my Samsung Blackjack, there is a 3G network listed as one of the available networks. However, when I go to connect to it, I am unable to. Does this possibly mean that the network is there, but hasn't been launched yet due to the FCC bull? I sure hope so. I can't wait til Pittsburgh has 3G!!


It's possible. I heard rumours last year that it was being installed but then it was never turned on. I don't have manual network selection enabled on my 8525 though.


Posted by: jhardin1

last summer, a few weeks before San Antonio went live with 3G, I noticed a second Cingular listing in one of my phones that had network selection (unlocked phone). I was never able to select it, but hoped it was WCDMA, sure 'nuf about 3 wks later 3G was turned on city-wide.


Posted by: formercanuck

Last summer in the Dallas/Austin/San Antonio area (specifically Dallas/FT Worth), I had AT&T Wireless and Cingular service... its possible that you had seen old AT&T Wireless 310380.


Posted by: petard

Did the spectrum transfer go through?
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...466#attachments
Hopefully this means 3G in the twin cities soon, unlike the posts a little back say.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by petard
Did the spectrum transfer go through?
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/App...466#attachments
Hopefully this means 3G in the twin cities soon, unlike the posts a little back say.

From what I understand, the "Consented to" means that the FCC approved the request for the transfer and the parties involved (Edge Wireless and ATT) now have to proceed with the transactions to complete it that results in the status being changed to "Consumated", I think that is the last step in the finalizing of the transfer I guess.

According to the FCC Glossary at http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/index.htm?job=glossary, Consumated means:
The completion by the parties of an assignment or transfer of control transaction to which the FCC has consented. Consummation must occur within 180 days of FCC consent unless an extension of time is granted.

But, lets hope that something gets turned up by late summer or early fall as I'm sure the transfer was just the first step and then they have to do some other testing on engineer only SIMs (which would explain some of the other posts saying they see another WCDMA network only visible in manual selection that cannot be connected to)


Posted by: ilvla2

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
Its a slightly different comparison... I have taken OC Transpo, ViaRail, GO Transit, TTC, MTA. This would be more like me saying I don't use Nextel because not because it stinks, but its plans and coverage don't suit my needs.
If I was commuting to Downtown L.A. daily, that would be a different story.

Sylmar was decent last night on 3G.


OT You still have to use them before pronouncing sentence, and like I said, get your say in, let them know what you want and need...or just tell me, I'm on Metrolink's rider advisory panel Also, you don't have to use them just for commuting, Metrolink, Metrorail and Amtrak are an AWESOME way to get around for fun, shopping, etc. It's not just for work OT

That's good about Sylmar, how about the BEST Valley, the San Gabriel Valley?


Posted by: pabuzz24

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
Last summer in the Dallas/Austin/San Antonio area (specifically Dallas/FT Worth), I had AT&T Wireless and Cingular service... its possible that you had seen old AT&T Wireless 310380.



Yeah I put in an old SIM card I had lying around and it is listed as 310380 (3G). Is this the specturm that is used for 3G?


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by pabuzz24
Yeah I put in an old SIM card I had lying around and it is listed as 310380 (3G). Is this the specturm that is used for 3G?

It varies... typically, the only markets that still have 310-380 are CA/NV.
310-380 was AT&T Wireless MCC-MNC. Cingular/at&t is 310-410.
Cingular/at&t was 310-170 in CA/NV, but sold that network to T-Mobile.


Posted by: TruBlu01

Quote:
Originally Posted by outz
greenville, sc news?


I emailed AT&T about Greenville, SC and the reply was:

My name is Dave ??????? and I am the Network Executive Director with responsibility for the Carolina’s. Greenville is actually our next market that we will turn up our 3G network on. We have our network fully planned out and are now in the budgeting cycle. We are very excited to get our 3G network up in Greenville to satisfy our customer base needs and bring the excellent speed and applications that you are used to from your South Florida experiences.

I can’t give you an exact date of launch as we still in our budge cycle.

Please feel free to contact me directly at anytime. I should have a project launch date very soon.

Very nice!


Posted by: applerokr

what email address did you originally use to contact AT&T?
I'm curious about about the east tennessee market (that made up the "DCS" region).


Posted by: pabuzz24

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
It varies... typically, the only markets that still have 310-380 are CA/NV.
310-380 was AT&T Wireless MCC-MNC. Cingular/at&t is 310-410.
Cingular/at&t was 310-170 in CA/NV, but sold that network to T-Mobile.


I stand corrected...the 3G network listed under available networks here in Pittsburgh is just listed as 310680. Interesting...


Posted by: prubin

3G is now available as of today in The Hamptons, Long Island.


Posted by: outz

Quote:
Originally Posted by TruBlu01
I emailed AT&T about Greenville, SC and the reply was:

My name is Dave ??????? and I am the Network Executive Director with responsibility for the Carolina’s. Greenville is actually our next market that we will turn up our 3G network on. We have our network fully planned out and are now in the budgeting cycle. We are very excited to get our 3G network up in Greenville to satisfy our customer base needs and bring the excellent speed and applications that you are used to from your South Florida experiences.

I can’t give you an exact date of launch as we still in our budge cycle.

Please feel free to contact me directly at anytime. I should have a project launch date very soon.

Very nice!



Thanks for passing the info. I wish they would htfu.


Posted by: SimplyDrew

Anyone know if there are any plans for 3G in Paducah, Kentucky? A local corporate store representative said back in March that it would be available this summer, and I've yet to see any 3G around here.


Posted by: nfsmith

So, what was your source for that information? Or, are you simply guessing?

-nfsmith

Quote:
Originally Posted by rpmura
Looks like Los Angeles phase 2 is pushed out to August now. I barely even care anymore.



Posted by: wierdo

FWIW, they're getting closer to launching in NW Arkansas. The T1s are in and they've installed new antennas at the site I have access to. Still no new cabinets, but at least they're making some progress!


Posted by: urmobilesky

Wirelessly posted (SAMSUNG-SGH-A707/1.0 SHP/VPP/R5 NetFront/3.3 SMM-MMS/1.2.0 profile/MIDP-2.0 configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.1.17.06.3.1.17.0)

Is it possible that at&t will launch 3G in the Pittsburgh,Pa area before T-Mobile or Sprints Wi-Fi goes live. Even Alltel has their 3G network up in the northern WV panhandle...lets get competitive at&t.


Posted by: jhardin1

Quote:
Originally Posted by wierdo
FWIW, they're getting closer to launching in NW Arkansas. The T1s are in and they've installed new antennas at the site I have access to. Still no new cabinets, but at least they're making some progress!


Kewl keep us posted on the progress


Posted by: jhardin1

Quote:
Originally Posted by wierdo
FWIW, they're getting closer to launching in NW Arkansas. The T1s are in and they've installed new antennas at the site I have access to. Still no new cabinets, but at least they're making some progress!


Kewl keep us posted on the progress


Posted by: Maaz

Quote:
Originally Posted by urmobilesky
Wirelessly posted (SAMSUNG-SGH-A707/1.0 SHP/VPP/R5 NetFront/3.3 SMM-MMS/1.2.0 profile/MIDP-2.0 configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.1.17.06.3.1.17.0)

Is it possible that at&t will launch 3G in the Pittsburgh,Pa area before T-Mobile or Sprints Wi-Fi goes live. Even Alltel has their 3G network up in the northern WV panhandle...lets get competitive at&t.


Not sure when T-Mobile or Sprint's network goes live. I don't pay much attention to other service providers. The official word for AT&T's 3G for Pittsburgh is by the end of 2007. However, it's possible that it will be done earlier than that.


Posted by: PPCMD

Any info about 3G in upstate central NY, the local stores said end of Summer (August) is this real or sales BS?


Posted by: shoman94

Maine was supposedly gonna go live in July....it's no here yet.

wait wait wait


Posted by: abricko

iPhone slowed the allready slow rollout of 3G. ATT shifted focus to fixing EDGE as best as they could so people would hate the crappy internet service the iPhone uses. Lets hope 3G iPhone is released soon enough which will cause ATT to kick back into gear and finish the partial launches (so cal) the 3G signal is so weak and few and far between it's better to force your phone to use EDGE.

Boo ATT!


Posted by: neilson

Quote:
Originally Posted by abricko
iPhone slowed the allready slow rollout of 3G. ATT shifted focus to fixing EDGE as best as they could so people would hate the crappy internet service the iPhone uses. Lets hope 3G iPhone is released soon enough which will cause ATT to kick back into gear and finish the partial launches (so cal) the 3G signal is so weak and few and far between it's better to force your phone to use EDGE.

Boo ATT!

Hey, don't dog on the iPhone cult. They only want to help you, and while I'm tied to Sprint and will sadly confine myself to an HTC "smartphone" like yourself, it is my hope that I can get an iPhone clone(like the HTC Touch in CDMA form) when it comes out late this year/early next year.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by abricko
iPhone slowed the allready slow rollout of 3G. ATT shifted focus to fixing EDGE as best as they could so people would hate the crappy internet service the iPhone uses. Lets hope 3G iPhone is released soon enough which will cause ATT to kick back into gear and finish the partial launches (so cal) the 3G signal is so weak and few and far between it's better to force your phone to use EDGE.

Boo ATT!

I agree for the most part... fix up and finish deploying 3G already!!!
Here in Santa Clarita, it seems like they must be using Micro$oft to run 3G... daily 'reboots' of 3G service... its there, then gone, then 10 minutes later its back again. Today, the site serving me is down on both GSM and 3G I still get 3G service ~-100dBm, and GSM ~-95dBm, but 3G is more usable (I can actually hear the call w/o dropouts).


Posted by: cve

Minneapolis 3G Update:

Still nothing.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by cve
Minneapolis 3G Update:

Still nothing.


I kind of suspect that most sites are typically turned up just prior to the end of a quarter. I only say t this because of what I've typically seen.


Posted by: zephxiii

I emailed ATT asking about 3G service for our market, not really expecting anything positive, and they wrote back with tis:

Quote:
...Thank you for taking the time to e-mail AT&T regarding 3G service. We
are happy to help you with your inquiry.

We apologize but we are unable to advise if or when 3G service may be
available in the Fort Wayne, Indiana area. You can view the current
coverage at http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/.

If you need further assistance, feel free to reply to this e-mail or
contact customer service at 1-800-331-0500 or 611 from your wireless
phone....


So basically, we aren't even on the planning board . Don't blame them, of all the people i've encountered, I can only think of two people that actually use data service...lol.

I'm thinkn EDGE Evolution will get deployed before 3G would become available here... and that aint a bad thing.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by zephxiii
I emailed ATT asking about 3G service for our market, not really expecting anything positive, and they wrote back with tis:



So basically, we aren't even on the planning board . Don't blame them, of all the people i've encountered, I can only think of two people that actually use data service...lol.

I'm thinkn EDGE Evolution will get deployed before 3G would become available here... and that aint a bad thing.

CS won't give any real info on when 3G is going up in an area. I contacted CS before, and they had no information on if or when 3G was coming to my area, and 2 weeks later it was up.


Posted by: zephxiii

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
CS won't give any real info on when 3G is going up in an area. I contacted CS before, and they had no information on if or when 3G was coming to my area, and 2 weeks later it was up.


haha, cool, well thats somewhat promising.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by cve
Minneapolis 3G Update:

Still nothing.

Spectrum transfers from Edge wireless in Minn/St Paul, Denver, OKC, and Pitts just got approved by the FCC last week. ATT has to then complete their paperwork to complete the transfers.

From there, they have to start firing up the UMTS Node B's (that have been rusting for at least a year right now) on that new 1900mhz spectrum and start their testing..then into a soft launch.. So, I'd say those of us whove been waiting in the markets for years will be lucky to have something up in these markets by the end of the summer. Fall is probably more likely given their 'speed'. Right now ATT is focused on Edge and IPhone..

Notice that we are now 7 months into the year and how many big announcements has Cingular/ATT had about new 3G launch? Very few.. In 2006, there was a new one almost every other week.


Posted by: petard

Really? A year? Where did you hear that?
Why does this stuff have to take so long? Gosh bureaucracies slowing everything down.


Posted by: maxhest1

DeKalb, Illinois? That's where i'm going to school, so I want to use my broadband speeds!!


Posted by: neilson

Quote:
Originally Posted by maxhest1
DeKalb, Illinois? That's where i'm going to school, so I want to use my broadband speeds!!

You're going to NIU? That's PIMPIN! GOOOOO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: maxhest1

thats right go huskies.


Posted by: ilvla2

Noo, go ISU Bengals! 4th Generaration Idaho State Alumni guy here


Posted by: crazy_phone_guy

I was in the store yesterday and they confirmed an active 3G tower Downtown. Not sure what this means in terms of rollout time but it is there. And so is a corporate At&t office. Hmm.


Posted by: MrDerby

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_phone_guy
I was in the store yesterday and they confirmed an active 3G tower Downtown. Not sure what this means in terms of rollout time but it is there. And so is a corporate At&t office. Hmm.


Right beside the stadium, the signal goes away in a instant when you cross the street.


Posted by: crazy_phone_guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDerby
Right beside the stadium, the signal goes away in a instant when you cross the street.


Which stadium? Do you know the precise areas of coverage? I'll go down and test it out.


Posted by: mbarnum

Does 3G make it to decent speeds? Like EVDO ?


Posted by: HTC_S60_Fan

as far as nyc is concerned...and this is strictly on handsets and not data cards...3G is better! my friends who have treo 700wx on both sprint and verizon along with this girl I'm talking to who has a vx6700 usually top out @ 600kbs while anything less then 800kbs on my 8525 is a bit strange for me. Plus I love setting up movie reservations on IE while talking on the phone through my blue tooth simultaneously. very convinient if your in a 3G area. Sprint and Verizon are gonna need REV. A on their pda's and handsets just to keep up. Currently only the Mogul has it and only after a software upgrade. and if rumors are true that AT&T will launch HSUPA with the kaiser. Let's jus say CDMA won't live past the decade...


Posted by: mbarnum

Quote:
Originally Posted by i880/8525junkie
as far as nyc is concerned...and this is strictly on handsets and not data cards...3G is better! my friends who have treo 700wx on both sprint and verizon along with this girl I'm talking to who has a vx6700 usually top out @ 600kbs while anything less then 800kbs on my 8525 is a bit strange for me. Plus I love setting up movie reservations on IE while talking on the phone through my blue tooth simultaneously. very convinient if your in a 3G area. Sprint and Verizon are gonna need REV. A on their pda's and handsets just to keep up. Currently only the Mogul has it and only after a software upgrade. and if rumors are true that AT&T will launch HSUPA with the kaiser. Let's jus say CDMA won't live past the decade...



With that said lets just say that American GSM and 3G standards will never be that of European standards. CDMA will be around for a long time, unless you putting CDMA in the same group as IDEN.


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbarnum
With that said lets just say that American GSM and 3G standards will never be that of European standards. CDMA will be around for a long time, unless you putting CDMA in the same group as IDEN.

True... American wireless standards in general will probably never be that of European standards. There's a lot more regulation in Europe, and also services typically cost more.


Posted by: HTC_S60_Fan

cdma at this point barely registers on the world scene with the U.S. and South Korea (amazingly) as the major exceptions. while the idea of a standard frequency is probably 10 years away, the world is accepting of the "quad-band" phone as the essential communication tool for global traveling. When Germany's 3G speeds are already @ 7.2MBPS...you tell me...other then the hogwash Sprint is coming out with (Wi-Max)..what's in the futur for CDMA? I truly believe that the Qualcomm/Broadcom debacle will force Verizon to reexamine basing all it's technology on Qualcomm...with Vodaphone being a major stake holder, while it may be a huge thing...I think Verizon will take the necessary steps to convert to GSM. Qualcomm's malpractices are now costing Verizon money with the ban of 3G phones that infrige on the patent dispute. While it may seem insane and it would take years to do this...I personally believe it's possible


Posted by: pabuzz24

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_phone_guy
I was in the store yesterday and they confirmed an active 3G tower Downtown. Not sure what this means in terms of rollout time but it is there. And so is a corporate At&t office. Hmm.



Hmm that must be the mysterious 3G signal I get at my house on Mt Washington about 2 blocks from Grandview Ave that I can't get onto. It would be nice if they let us bottom dwellers try it out...


Posted by: crazy_phone_guy

Quote:
Originally Posted by pabuzz24
Hmm that must be the mysterious 3G signal I get at my house on Mt Washington about 2 blocks from Grandview Ave that I can't get onto. It would be nice if they let us bottom dwellers try it out...


Do you mean you do not have a 3G phone or is it a password protected signal?


Posted by: formercanuck

Interesting...looks like AT&T hosts CA (probably most of the west) from Level 3 in Washington
Code:

$ tracert 166.129.208.29       

Tracing route to 166.129.208.29 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1     3 ms     3 ms     2 ms  192.168.254.11 
  2    21 ms    12 ms    12 ms  netblock-68-183-52-1.dslextreme.com [68.183.52.1] 
  3    14 ms    12 ms    11 ms  LAX1.CR1.Gig11-0-20.dslextreme.com [66.51.203.1] 
  4    13 ms    16 ms    12 ms  ge-5-1-115.ipcolo1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [63.209.70.133] 
  5    15 ms    20 ms    18 ms  ae-31-53.ebr1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.102.94] 
  6    18 ms    18 ms    17 ms  ae-68.ebr3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.135.10] 
  7    24 ms    20 ms    38 ms  ae-2.ebr3.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.132.9] 
  8    32 ms    39 ms    32 ms  ae-73-73.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.134.230] 
  9    31 ms    19 ms    35 ms  ae-71-71.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.134.197] 
 10    54 ms    38 ms    48 ms  ae-3.ebr1.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.69.132.50] 
 11    40 ms    48 ms    46 ms  ae-11-55.car1.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.68.105.130] 
 12    44 ms    46 ms    46 ms  NEW-CINGULA.car1.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.79.104.98] 
 13



Posted by: iyazell

I emailed cingular, and this was the response I got re: Syracuse.

Thank you for taking the time to e-mail AT&T regarding your 3g service.
I am happy to help you with your inquiry and I apologize for any
inconvenience this may have caused.

At this time we do not have an exact launch date for 3g service in
upstate New York. We are constantly adding new products and services
including 3g service.

I am always here to assist you. I encourage you to visit us at
www.att.com/wireless often to view your monthly account statements, make
payments and shop for new products and services. I greatly appreciate
the opportunity to serve you. Please let me know if I can assist you in
any other way, and thank you for choosing AT&T.

Sincerely,
xxxxxxxxx


Posted by: ziggy3055

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_phone_guy
I was in the store yesterday and they confirmed an active 3G tower Downtown. Not sure what this means in terms of rollout time but it is there. And so is a corporate At&t office. Hmm.

thats typically what can happen before they turn on stuff like this, an example would be verizon here in minneapolis turned evdo on at the mall of america and msp airport a couple months before they turned ev on in the rest of the area.


Posted by: pabuzz24

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_phone_guy
Do you mean you do not have a 3G phone or is it a password protected signal?



No I have the Samsung Blackjack. When my AT&T SIM is in, it is listed as "Off Network (3G)". When I put in an old T-Mobile SIM I have, it is listed as "310680 (3G)". Not sure if it is AT&T or not based on this but I would assume so since T-Mo doesn't have 3G yet. When I try to connect, I get an error and am not able to connect.


Posted by: zephxiii

Quote:
Originally Posted by pabuzz24
No I have the Samsung Blackjack. When my AT&T SIM is in, it is listed as "Off Network (3G)". When I put in an old T-Mobile SIM I have, it is listed as "310680 (3G)". Not sure if it is AT&T or not based on this but I would assume so since T-Mo doesn't have 3G yet. When I try to connect, I get an error and am not able to connect.


interesting....


Posted by: formercanuck

According to FAQ
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=657335
310680 is..

310-680 Cellular One DCS (Dobson. Formerly NPI Wireless)


Posted by: pabuzz24

Quote:
Originally Posted by formercanuck
According to FAQ
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=657335
310680 is..

310-680 Cellular One DCS (Dobson. Formerly NPI Wireless)



Oops got my numbers mixed up. It is actually 310840(3G). That wasn't on the list, making it even ore interesting....


Posted by: ilvla2

Well, AT&T's 3G has moved north a bit, to just outside of Woodland, at this rate they should reach Redding in 2020 lol


Posted by: garrym13

Anyone have any idea when 3G will launch in Oklahoma City?


Posted by: menos

Quote:
Originally Posted by garrym13
Anyone have any idea when 3G will launch in Oklahoma City?


I was in a store the other day and the rep mentioned that they were being told October. Honestly I don't think they have a clue.


Posted by: snoopdarr

Springfield and Bloomington IL - last week of September. Fact, or rumor?


Posted by: Joel954

As far as I can tell 3G rollout has stopped. I doubt any more markets will ever open. It's just a ploy.


Posted by: PPCMD

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel954
As far as I can tell 3G rollout has stopped. I doubt any more markets will ever open. It's just a ploy.


If that were true then ATT would be really in trouble on the 3G side compared to Verizon at full Speed EV-DO.


Posted by: Joel954

I was just kidding.


Posted by: clauretano

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel954
As far as I can tell 3G rollout has stopped. I doubt any more markets will ever open. It's just a ploy.


I cried a little


Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by PPCMD
If that were true then ATT would be really in trouble on the 3G side compared to Verizon at full Speed EV-DO.

full Speed EV-DO ?


Posted by: telarium

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel954
As far as I can tell 3G rollout has stopped. I doubt any more markets will ever open. It's just a ploy.


This is, in fact, true. All 3G deployments have stopped. They will resume whenever we feel like it - because us RF engineers were abused before, during, and after the iPhone rollout/EDGE issues. I sure as hell am going to take my sweet time.

Ashame, 15 more markets were to go live July 1. (Denver and MLPS were slated after that by a week or so - as per FCC approval) ETA now, probably December at my pace -- but that brings winter conditions, so the physical markets might go hot when it gets warm outside.

So, I dunno, 3G in 2008 in your EDGE market? Might be a reality...


Posted by: PhillipD76

That certainly is a shame. Especially for areas that get snow and extreme cold due and the limitations surrounding that.


Posted by: lax2tlv

I KNOW THIS IS LONG BUT IT IS INTERESTING! JUST GET THROUGH IT!

ON 6 July 2007 I posted:

[I was driving home from work on Vanowen St from North Hollywood, an area which has had 3G coverage for quite a while, while watching some free MobiTV in the LA traffic. My eyes widened with excitement when my 8525 (running BLACK MAGIC LE) showed full HSDPA reception as a crossed Lindley Ave, then Reseda, then Tampa, and all the way to my place on Winnetka where the HSDPA was still on but at 2-3 bars of reception. HOWEVER, to my great dismay, as soon as I ended the data call, the same ol' "E" was ri