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Posted by: Codevyper

Yesterday I went to Fry's in Woodland Hills for lunch. All the way down Mason from Nordhoff I only saw edge. Today, I saw 3G flickers here at my office throughout the day. 1-2 bars and that's saying something considering in my office where I sit holding a signal on Edge is a miracle. I'll look at it again when I leave right now, but me thinks 3G is on it's way here since this is the first signs I've seen since getting my 8525.

Posted by: lax2tlv

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Originally Posted by Codevyper

Yesterday I went to Fry's in Woodland Hills for lunch. All the way down Mason from Nordhoff I only saw edge. Today, I saw 3G flickers here at my office throughout the day. 1-2 bars and that's saying something considering in my office where I sit holding a signal on Edge is a miracle. I'll look at it again when I leave right now, but me thinks 3G is on it's way here since this is the first signs I've seen since getting my 8525.

Where is your office?

Posted by: rpmura

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Originally Posted by lax2tlv

I'm seriously starting to think all these dates floating around the forums and att reps are all BS. This is beyond rediculous; this is AMERICA, we shouldn't be living in 2001!@$

The 8/3 date I posted is from a pretty reliable source, but as we all know, no matter now official it is, it happens when it happens.

Posted by: RogerPodacter

my drive from hollywood to temecula tonight i picked up a few more 3g spots where i didnt get them before. it was before the 91 and after the 101, on the 10 i assume. things are happening in LAfor 3g...

Posted by: telarium

There is also going to be another large market heading to 3G near 8/3. I can't specify yet for internal reasons.

Posted by: lax2tlv

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Originally Posted by telarium

There is also going to be another large market heading to 3G near 8/3. I can't specify yet for internal reasons.

Do you mean within LA?

Posted by: Joel954

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Originally Posted by telarium

There is also going to be another large market heading to 3G near 8/3. I can't specify yet for internal reasons.

I bet it's NOT Minneapolis/St. Paul.

Posted by: neilson

What's the word on North Alabama, or are we gonna be the very last ones to get 3G just like we were in getting GSM turned on?

Posted by: Codevyper

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Originally Posted by lax2tlv

Where is your office?

Nordhoff and Mason in Chatsworth.

Posted by: powertoburn

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Originally Posted by rpmura

The 8/3 date I posted is from a pretty reliable source, but as we all know, no matter now official it is, it happens when it happens.

3G is finally turned on in Los Angeles, CA 90029.

This is in the Sunset Junction area of Silver Lake.

The site that is broadcasting 3G is located at Sunset Blvd. / Sanborn on top of the Tsunami Coffeehouse.

I have full 3G signal at my house now

Posted by: rpmura

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Originally Posted by powertoburn

Really, I just drove by there this morning at 6am and I still had EDGE. Do you still have 3G? I live near Hyperion and Tracy and I watch it like a hawk.

Posted by: lax2tlv

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Originally Posted by rpmura

Really, I just drove by there this morning at 6am and I still had EDGE. Do you still have 3G? I live near Hyperion and Tracy and I watch it like a hawk.

Yup, no luck forcing WCDMA here in the Valley either...

Posted by: Batman665

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Originally Posted by neilson

What's the word on North Alabama, or are we gonna be the very last ones to get 3G just like we were in getting GSM turned on?

Shouldn't be too long before the Birmingham area gets 3G. Read this article

http://www.wirelessiq.com/content/newsfeed/10809.html

Posted by: neilson

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Originally Posted by Batman665

Shouldn't be too long before the Birmingham area gets 3G. Read this article

http://www.wirelessiq.com/content/newsfeed/10809.html

Birmingham is different. Just seems like when it comes to upgrades, Huntsville, Montgomery, and Mobile get the shaft until the very end. You know that Verizon, Sprint, and Alltel all have EV-DO launched and in the process of being launched down here. at&t needs to get with it and hustle.

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by rpmura

Really, I just drove by there this morning at 6am and I still had EDGE. Do you still have 3G? I live near Hyperion and Tracy and I watch it like a hawk.

If its anything like I've experienced here in Santa Clarita, 3G service goes up and down quite a bit. If you're doing a 'drive by' you may be hitting one of those times that its being 'bounced' - Must be running MS-Windows

Posted by: heavenlydreams

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Originally Posted by telarium

There is also going to be another large market heading to 3G near 8/3. I can't specify yet for internal reasons.

Fullerton is 3G as of this morning.

Posted by: rpmura

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Originally Posted by rpmura

Really, I just drove by there this morning at 6am and I still had EDGE. Do you still have 3G? I live near Hyperion and Tracy and I watch it like a hawk.

I take it back. I had to go back through there and 3G was there. I had to power cycle my v3xx to get it though.
The v3xx gets on EDGE and it camps there unless you're driving around, then it'll grab another 3G site most of the time, but if it goes to EDGE in a 3g area,and you're not moving from site to site, it'll just stay there until you power cycle. On my CU500, if there's 3g it always reverts back to 3g when it sees it's there.
Anyway, I'm so glad to finally see 3G in Silverlake/Los Feliz. Is it in Hollywood, east of La Brea as well, does anybody know?
I went to Simi Valley this morning as well and no 3G there.

Posted by: PhillipD76

Anyone here from CT that travels up to Springfield MA. Just wondering how far you travel up 91 and still have 3G service?

Posted by: ZacUSNYR

I wish we'd get it in Albany/Saratoga, NY. Whats the status of Upstate NY? The map on the website only shows NYC.

Posted by: powertoburn

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Originally Posted by rpmura

Heading West from Santa Monica Blvd / Manzanita to Santa Monica Blvd. / La Brea I had full 3G. So at work I now have full 3G signal,

Posted by: Wrangler3383

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Originally Posted by PhillipD76

Anyone here from CT that travels up to Springfield MA. Just wondering how far you travel up 91 and still have 3G service?

In my travels it stops just north of Windsor Locks. Probably just to cover Bradley International. I wonder why they didn't just finish 91 off, then again, they left a gap in 95 too. Who even knows what they are doing anymore.

Posted by: joelliot

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Originally Posted by ZacUSNYR

I wish we'd get it in Albany/Saratoga, NY. Whats the status of Upstate NY? The map on the website only shows NYC.

A trick I learned from someone else here for http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/. Enter only the state, CT & get the coverage. You will then have the option of checking 3g for the entire state instead of the city level you usually get. ...it's around East Windsor if you don't want go back...

Posted by: Pallux

any news on Pittsburgh?

Posted by: lax2tlv

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Originally Posted by joelliot

That map is outdated

Posted by: PhillipD76

Who knows, Agreed. It has been a while since I have seen anything for up this way.

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Originally Posted by Wrangler3383

Posted by: PhillipD76

Yeah the last update I saw was May 31st. But it could be because nothing new has *officially* been added. Who knows.

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Originally Posted by lax2tlv

That map is outdated

Posted by: Kevad007

I am seeing a lot of new areas with 3G going on and off today in Orange & Riverside Counties as I travel about a lot today. Appears much is happening and/or about to happen today here in Southern California.

Posted by: lax2tlv

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Originally Posted by Kevad007

I am seeing a lot of new areas with 3G going on and off today in Orange & Riverside Counties as I travel about a lot today. Appears much is happening and/or about to happen today here in Southern California.

Let's hope so...let's hope...I'm still at work in North Hollywood where I always have 3G (as long as I'm outdoors; ******* 1900mhz). I usually watch MobiTV on my way home every day, which drags my reception all the way home to Winnetka & Vanowen; I'll have to wait and see what happens when I exit MobiTV...Hopefully the usual Full reception H-->3G-->No Service-->G-->E sequence will not repeat itself...

EDIT: Nope... nada...

Posted by: Radiationman

I've only got to wonder if the torturous scenario we've been seeing with the LA activation is what the rest of us will have to go through when the Deathstar decides to light up other areas...

Posted by: pitbull555

recently arrived home from dodger stadium(where 3G is excellent). And have full bars of 3G goodness near victory & tampa...

Posted by: ilvla2

Cool, good to hear my favorite baseball team has some 3G love! As for NorCal, 3G still is stuck at Sacramento and Napa, the line has not moved north in ages

Meanwhile, Verizon's EVDO keeps expanding by the week.

Posted by: calancaster

Yeah!!!! I can now get 3G at my house in LA. I live near Pico & Fairfax. I guess the 8/3 date for Los Angeles was correct. Thank you AT&T. And Good Luck to everyone still waiting. It's worth the wait. I'm getting consistent speeds over 800 kbps.

Posted by: lax2tlv

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Originally Posted by calancaster

Yeah!!!! I can now get 3G at my house in LA. I live near Pico & Fairfax. I guess the 8/3 date for Los Angeles was correct. Thank you AT&T. And Good Luck to everyone still waiting. It's worth the wait. I'm getting consistent speeds over 800 kbps.

L-I-V-E 3G with >800kbps here in the West Valley!@#!@$ Mad props to all the posters with the inside info about the 3rd....FINALLY!!!

[UPDATE]: LA wakes up and the "power cycling" (as described in Santa Clarita) begins.... random 3G-E 3 times in the last 10 min....

Posted by: lax2tlv

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Originally Posted by pitbull555

recently arrived home from dodger stadium(where 3G is excellent). And have full bars of 3G goodness near victory & tampa...

Yup the whole Sepulveda-Winnetka stretch on Victory and Vanowen has had full reception throughout the whole testing phase...

Posted by: Joel954

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Originally Posted by telarium

There is also going to be another large market heading to 3G near 8/3. I can't specify yet for internal reasons.

Can you specify now??

Posted by: netsyd

Any update on the Denver area?

I'm to the point now where I'm about to drop AT&T and move over to Sprint. I've been waiting for 3G since I signed my Contract again well over a year ago...

Posted by: mmaximus

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Originally Posted by netsyd

Any update on the Denver area?

I'm to the point now where I'm about to drop AT&T and move over to Sprint. I've been waiting for 3G since I signed my Contract again well over a year ago...

What I've heard is October. Don't quote me on that though.

Posted by: nfsmith

While LA has large relatively flat valleys, there are all kinds of foothills, canyons, ridges, and just plain hills in the area that must drive engineers crazy trying to provide better reception. I suspect they are a large factor in the difficulty of bringing up the new network, and I would imagine that places like the midwest with relatively much flatter terrain would be a lot easier to bring live.

-nfsmith

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Originally Posted by Radiationman

I've only got to wonder if the torturous scenario we've been seeing with the LA activation is what the rest of us will have to go through when the Deathstar decides to light up other areas...

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by nfsmith

While LA has large relatively flat valleys, there are all kinds of foothills, canyons, ridges, and just plain hills in the area that must drive engineers crazy trying to provide better reception. I suspect they are a large factor in the difficulty of bringing up the new network, and I would imagine that places like the midwest with relatively much flatter terrain would be a lot easier to bring live.

-nfsmith

I'm sure Topanga Canyon, Laurel Canyon, Coldwater Canyon, etc to be fun.

Posted by: Kevad007

So is LA and other areas in Southern California just experiencing expanded "Testing" and this on/off could occur now for months, or is today (or just days from now) the real deal where it essentially goes LIVE and more or less is on and available full time? Anyone know more what is going on right now?

Posted by: rpmura

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Originally Posted by Kevad007

So is LA and other areas in Southern California just experiencing expanded "Testing" and this on/off could occur now for months, or is today (or just days from now) the real deal where it essentially goes LIVE and more or less is on and available full time? Anyone know more what is going on right now?

Should be the actual launch. Keep in mind that there are two more phases. One in or around September and one in November. So if there are areas that didn't get turned up this week, there's still hope.

Posted by: lax2tlv

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Originally Posted by rpmura

Yup the AT&T rep that gave me the 8/3 date referred to 3 antennas within my range going live on 8/3, listing the tower locations by intersection (forgot details but one is around DeSoto and Sherman Way and one is around Tampa and Sherman Way. He ALSO mentioned an antenna that would give me full reception @ home, I believe on Vanowen and Lubao, would go live on September 15th or 25th (forgot which one).

Posted by: Kevad007

It would be nice if they updated the coverage map and included it through a day like today when major areas are turned on LIVE. Instead we may see it say good through July 31, 2007 in about a week or so. WHy don't they update immediately after large market additions like what is apparently happening today here in So. Cal, and possibly another major area in the USA? Anyway, hope all of you in SO. CAL. waiting for 3G get it in all the right places. It appears my home in east Orange is on the hold back till the very end list cause they don't want us good paying customers to use up the precious 3G in residential areas to replace dsl. Well, I reserve that, I have not been home since leaving at 9am, who knows maybe I will get lucky. In the meantime, AT&T please update the 3G coverage map, its still saying May 31, 2007, I mean whats up with that, all you still pooooooped out from the hard work they made you do for the iPhone? Snap out of it, time to let us 3G folkes finally get more coverage, we pay for it afterall!

Posted by: ilvla2

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

I'm sure Topanga Canyon, Laurel Canyon, Coldwater Canyon, etc to be fun.

Well, they have 3G up in the Bay Area, and that's about as hilly a place as you can get.

Posted by: Cstrife2

No 3g service west of Corbin on Nordhoff, and 3g was down west of Sepulvida on nordhoff today around 12:30 havnt checked since then. Heard from a friend of mine that Ventrua County (Thousand Oaks and Newbury Park) went live today with 3g.

Posted by: lax2tlv

Ok so it seems like the only tower that I am experiencing "power cycling" with is the one that serves my house; as I mentioned in a previous post, this tower was off for the larger part of the testing phase and was only turned on about a week or two ago. It was LIVE until 7am when it died out. Just got back from work and its still down... there is FULL SERVICE down the street from my house, but as soon as I pull into my driveway it drops down to around -100dbm and loses service... In the morning, the tower that was up gave me readings in the -80 to -90 range indoors...an AT&T rep I tried to squeeze info out of earlier this week told me the tower serving my house has been undergoing maintenance since 7/2 and is listed as a "work in progress..." whatever I have cable @ home... as long as everywhere around me is LIVE I'm happy.. tho it would be nice if they got their act together...it has been a MONTH since they've apparently known about an issue with this tower....

[EDIT] and now its back...

Posted by: Radiationman

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

Well, they have 3G up in the Bay Area, and that's about as hilly a place as you can get.

And Northern Marin, Sonoma, Lake, and Medocino Counties are just as hilly - and we've got nothin'

On a side note, was in Vallejo today with my newly flashed to WM6 Treo 750 and it had strong 3G all day. Not that this is a 3G new area - but it was nice to bask in the HSDPA goodness..

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

Well, they have 3G up in the Bay Area, and that's about as hilly a place as you can get.

Laurel Canyon / Topanga Canyon / Coldwater Canyon don't have many homes on them, and are _really_ steep and windy (narrow canyon walls). Most of the sites are micro sites on utility line poles (< 25' high). Not many homes, but LOTS of traffic (i.e. bumper to bumper for many hours/day).

Posted by: ilvla2

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Originally Posted by Radiationman

Where do you live up here? I'm in Redwood Valley, about 8 miles north of Ukiah up here in Mendocino County.

Posted by: ilvla2

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

Laurel Canyon / Topanga Canyon / Coldwater Canyon don't have many homes on them,).

I hope they stay that way

Posted by: ilvla2

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

Laurel Canyon / Topanga Canyon / Coldwater Canyon .... but LOTS of traffic (i.e. bumper to bumper for many hours/day).

We know whose fault that is

Posted by: Kevad007

It does not appear that Orange County, California had any areas turn on and stay on or go "live" today. Lots of on/off including a tower near the Frys off the 91 in East Anaheim. Chapman & Tustin had long been on, while getting gas at Arco it was mostly off, went on briefly. I see lots of E to G and odd behavoir, but no solid widespread turning on of 3G today as rumored.

I did hear a rumor that the guy in OC who was supposed to flip on the 3G here forgot to do it, then went to lunch with his new iPhone, found a free WiFi hotspot, was just shocked at the speed, he got to playing with his iPhone the rest of the day and just went home. He'll maybe turn it on next week if he can remember there are other phones besides the iPhone

Now relax, its just a joke!

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

We know whose fault that is

Yeah - I'm glad I don't have to drive to work.

Posted by: ilvla2

Lol Yeah, I hear ya! Though I would rather fight LA Freeways than the Bay Area Freeways, LA drivers are much better than their SF counterparts!

Posted by: Codevyper

Just west of Corbin on Plummer there's a mini site with a few paddles on a power pole and it was spewing out a strong 3G signal today @ 1:30. So I think that's been turned up as well.

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by Codevyper

Just west of Corbin on Plummer there's a mini site with a few paddles on a power pole and it was spewing out a strong 3G signal today @ 1:30. So I think that's been turned up as well.

Hmmm.. I know there's a mini site on Winnetka @ Plummer.

Posted by: Kevad007

So let me get this straight, they spent how many tens &/or hundreds of millions tuning up Edge for the iPhone, delaying 3G rollout generally for how long, and now all we see are some new mini sites that go on and off whenever. Come on AT&T how about an announcement of what areas have been added. Internally, since its now after 8/3, what other major market(s) besides purportedly LA went live yesterday. For a communications company, your communication with your customers is getting a failing grade. Did the guy who updates the coverage map come back from vacation yet so that can be updated too, or is the NEW AT&T approach, "hey its summer, we'll get back to work in September."

Posted by: formercanuck

I had coverage throughout the valley today. The mini site I was referring to was at Lassen and Winnetka. At&t doesn,t have sites near Corbin and Plummer. I suspect maps will be out soon enough, and probably had 3g updates ready for the end of June, but the network wasn't there.

Posted by: Kevad007

Well, and its not just AT&T, summertime with needed vacations is just a reality. Its often comical because the guy that has to prep the plan goes on his vacation, then he gets back and finishes it but his typist/secretary is now gone for a week, she gets back and types it up for the supervisor to approve but he is gone for 2 weeks on a cruise so no way to review it, and eventually after its all set to go the crew is off for a few weeks. I know most of the techs work hard and its not their job to update us here unofficially, and they risk trouble if they do. My issue is more with their PR people who don't seem to be on top of things, or keeping things updated. Disruption due to summer & vactions happens, but you'd think people could cover for others and still get things done. It also seems like many are pooped out due to the huge effort that was the iPhone rollout, so some break had to happen. Fine, well deserved, its a shame dates and estimated times cannot be more forthcoming so we who pay a lot don't keep wondering when will I get improved service finally, after all this time.

Posted by: telarium

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Originally Posted by Kevad007

So let me get this straight, they spent how many tens &/or hundreds of millions tuning up Edge for the iPhone, delaying 3G rollout generally for how long, and now all we see are some new mini sites that go on and off whenever. Come on AT&T how about an announcement of what areas have been added. Internally, since its now after 8/3, what other major market(s) besides purportedly LA went live yesterday. For a communications company, your communication with your customers is getting a failing grade. Did the guy who updates the coverage map come back from vacation yet so that can be updated too, or is the NEW AT&T approach, "hey its summer, we'll get back to work in September."

Our 8/3 launch for the other market was marred by a tragedy.

But since we've already (seemingly) failed, you will find few other updates from me. But hey, it's summer! And I don't want to lose my job to some hacks they consider to be "customers."

Posted by: pitbull555

i had 3g down victory and up mason until saticoy. got it back at desoto & saticoy. Kept it while in costco at roscoe and canoga and all the way back the other way along roscoe and back south down mason to victory by pierce college...

Posted by: ilvla2

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Originally Posted by powertoburn

I agree I have noticed more areas with 3G this past weekend. The areas below have 3G that were not there prior.

La Puente, CA 91744
West Covina, CA
West Hollywood, 90046

Also heading West on i-10 there is 3G until Del Mar.

Los Angeles, CA 90029 only a portion heading West on Santa Monica Blvd. 3G picks up at Normandie

This was on a Nokia N75 and also used a BJ on WCDMA mode only.

It's good to hear the San Gabriel Valley is getting 3G, I'll be coming down there for a week next month, via Amtrak's Coast Starlight (the train in my avatar pic in fact)

Posted by: neilson

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Originally Posted by telarium

So it was the Twin Cities. At least now we know.

Posted by: Kevad007

I know most of the techs work hard and its not their job to update us here unofficially, and they risk trouble if they do. My issue is more with their PR people who don't seem to be on top of things, or keeping things updated.

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But since we've already (seemingly) failed, you will find few other updates from me. But hey, it's summer! And I don't want to lose my job to some hacks they consider to be "customers."

Well, I don't know why you take so much offense to an issue that was clearly aimed at others! I happen to be an attorney and pay several hundred dollars month to your employer. Or would you rather pay it!

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by neilson

So it was the Twin Cities. At least now we know.

Are you sure ? Does Denver or Pittsburgh have 3G yet ?

Posted by: ilvla2

I think he meant those were the cities with the tragedy-Mississippi River bridge collapse.

Posted by: petard

OMG we were supposed to go up on the third? Why do we have such bad luck! Stupid bridge! Had to collapse at the perfect time! I have been waiting for this for a year!

Posted by: RogerPodacter

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

Are you sure ? Does Denver or Pittsburgh have 3G yet ?

i think the tragedy he is talking about is what happened in minnesota with the bridge collapse.

Posted by: petard

What is the new date for the twin cities? Another month? two?

Posted by: ilvla2

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Originally Posted by petard

OMG we were supposed to go up on the third? Why do we have such bad luck! Stupid bridge! Had to collapse at the perfect time! I have been waiting for this for a year!

Uhh, people were injured and killed in that, and you are only worried because 3G is delayed?

Posted by: petard

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

Uhh, people were injured and killed in that, and you are only worried because 3G is delayed?

Well its happened and done, what am I supposed to do about it?

Posted by: calancaster

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Originally Posted by calancaster

When I got home from work Friday 3G was gone.

I guess they were just testing it for the next "turn-up" in September? But at least I know there will someday be 3G at my house. It's just frustrating to have it one day and then taken away the next.

Posted by: PPCMD

I asked about my market which is upstate NY, and was told it was pushed back to November to which I replied so its really going to be 2008 then huh. Not sure if the push back means further back or just a bid back. Does anyone have any insight?

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by calancaster

When I got home from work Friday 3G was gone.

I guess they were just testing it for the next "turn-up" in September? But at least I know there will someday be 3G at my house. It's just frustrating to have it one day and then taken away the next.

Since you're in the basin (not the valley), I would expect 3G to be there BEFORE the valley. Also, this may be similar to what I've experienced here in Santa Clarita since June.. 3G up... 3G down... 3G up... 3G down

Posted by: PiTT

Northridge, CA went up some time last week. West Hills went up a few days ago!

Posted by: Maaz

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

Are you sure ? Does Denver or Pittsburgh have 3G yet ?

Still no 3G in Pittsburgh, and I was all over the city today.

Posted by: clauretano

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Originally Posted by PPCMD

I asked about my market which is upstate NY, and was told it was pushed back to November to which I replied so its really going to be 2008 then huh. Not sure if the push back means further back or just a bid back. Does anyone have any insight?

If that's the case, I want my friggin money back from the hack at the AT&T store who ASSURED me that Rochester would go 3g June 2007. I'm going to take my blackjack and burn it if I have to wait until 2008.. piece of crap phone, the only reason to deal with crap WM5/6 was that it was 3g!!

Posted by: telarium

More good news. The HTC Kaiser/Tilt/8925 is now showing a delay of up to a year in our system.

You can thank Broadcom for that one.

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by telarium

More good news. The HTC Kaiser/Tilt/8925 is now showing a delay of up to a year in our system.

You can thank Broadcom for that one.

Don't you mean Qualcomm... they (allegedly) infringed on Broadcom's patents

Posted by: BlueNgu

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Originally Posted by telarium

More good news. The HTC Kaiser/Tilt/8925 is now showing a delay of up to a year in our system.

You can thank Broadcom for that one.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds...afx3992174.html

Bush administration upholds US ITC decision order against Qualcomm imports
08.06.07, 6:23 PM ET

Posted by: Captain_Eric

But today the Wall Street Journal-Online reported that ATT has cut a deal with Broadcom (like Verizon) to get the phones in.

No details naturally, like which phones. Let's hope the Kaiser, eh?

With Verizon and ATT cutting deals the Administration had no big reasons to intervene, which in any case, apparently is a very uncommon occurance.

We'll see . . .

Posted by: Kevad007

The AT&T 3G Coverage page that lists cities with 3G does have some information about certain 3G areas that do not support Video Share. I don't recall seeing any info. on this before, does anybody know why those areas don't support Video Share although they do have 3G? Are these areas having equipt. changed?

http://www.wireless.att.com/coverag...r/popUp_3g.html

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Cities Supporting AT&T 3G/Mobile BroadbandThe AT&T 3G / BroadbandConnect network is currently available in most major metropolitan areas and is expanding rapidly. Click on a major metropolitan area below to view coverage for that area.

Please Note: AT&T Video Share requires 3G coverage. Video Share is available in the 3G areas listed below, EXCEPT for Anaheim, Bakersfield, Burbank, East Los Angeles, Glendale, Irvine, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Norwalk, Ontario, Oxnard, Pasadena, Pomona, Santa Ana.

EDGE is AT&T's national wireless high-speed data network available in over 13,000 cities and towns and along nearly 40,000 miles of highway. All 3G compatible devices are also EDGE compatible providing the best combination of speed and coverage. View coverage

Posted by: formercanuck

Sounds like L.A. is equipment challenged....
Must be something with the old AT&T Wireless network.

Posted by: clauretano

I don't get why the 38th and 53rd most populous urban areas in the country are still totally left out in the cold... Buffalo and Rochester, NY. It's like AT&T thought "oh, well we got the biggest city in the state, that should be enough, right?" .. soooooooo many much, much smaller areas have gotten 3g around the country, it's like everyone has forgotten about us here (as did most of the companies that built up the area and then abandoned it (looking your way Kodak and Xerox)).

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by clauretano

I don't get why the 38th and 53rd most populous urban areas in the country are still totally left out in the cold... Buffalo and Rochester, NY. It's like AT&T thought "oh, well we got the biggest city in the state, that should be enough, right?" .. soooooooo many much, much smaller areas have gotten 3g around the country, it's like everyone has forgotten about us here (as did most of the companies that built up the area and then abandoned it (looking your way Kodak and Xerox)).

38th and 53rd ? Smaller areas such as Pittsburgh, Twin Cities, Denver ? I agree that AT&T went picking the low hanging fruit from the tree (i.e. areas with a well built out network, areas that had political/financial influence (Las Vegas, Dallas), and those that had LOTS of spectrum (Florida, Texas). Los Angeles is the 2nd largest city in the country. Los Angeles 'just' received 3G last week. Prior to that, there were a few pockets for airports and bragging rights only.

From wiki:

general area Population (2006)[1]
- City 3,849,378
- Density 8,205/sq mi (3,168/km²)
- Urban 12,950,129
- Metro 17,775,984

Posted by: clauretano

Los Angeles is the 2nd largest metropolitan/urban area.. it's a large area, with yeah.. a ton of towers. There are plenty of other 'no name' cities like buffalo/rochester that have 3g coverage though, those are the ones I'm talkin about. I guess upstate/western NY is too 'past its prime' for them to bother with right now. my blackjack will be sitting in a box until 3g is live here, there's no point in dealing with that awful user interface until then :P

Posted by: cth11

I am working currently in Bloomington (south twin cities) and I am not seeing my usual edge symbol or that sim card symbol on my v3xx..I have powered my phone off a few times and nothing happens......

I wonder if something is cooking with 3g perhaps....

Chuck

Posted by: cve

I would have been happy to just have had 2G service when the 35W bridge went down.

Posted by: jlinn75

anyone heard about Greenville/Spartanburg, SC area?

Posted by: petard

Quote:

Originally Posted by clauretano

Ohhh I think I understand why Rochester, MN has 3G before the Twin Cities! Some upper management guy told the techs to install 3G towers in Rochester, and instead of Rochester, NY they put them in Rochester, MN! /sarcasm

Posted by: rdef

Finally! 3g is south oc, california.

Posted by: CatLover

Southern Californians. I was visiting down there for TWO weeks in Sherman Oaks. At a very centrally located motel (where the 101 meets the 405 for locals!), and the FIRST week, I had only had 3G, but the SECOND week was all 3G. Was every interesting experience. lol

Posted by: char777

I asked a guy at a COR, and he said that Denver will have 3G hopefully by October if they don't keep pushing it back.

As long as it's up by December 2008 when I have my 3G iPhone and my T-Mobile contract up, I'm good!

Posted by: Cstrife2

Quote:

Originally Posted by char777

I asked a guy at a COR, and he said that Denver will have 3G hopefully by October if they don't keep pushing it back.

As long as it's up by December 2008 when I have my 3G iPhone and my T-Mobile contract up, I'm good!

The iPhone is an EDGE only device. It would be nice if they made a 3G version. Thats one of the big things that kept me from getting the iPhone.

Posted by: char777

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cstrife2

The iPhone is an EDGE only device. It would be nice if they made a 3G version. Thats one of the big things that kept me from getting the iPhone.

Yeah, I know, but knowing Apple as a much more innovative company than Motorola, who still pushes phones after three years, a 3G iPhone will probably be out my December 2008.

I would've gotten one now if I was out of contract, for Denver still doesn't have 3G, and WiFi is adequate for me, but I sure would love UMTS>

Posted by: CatLover

I meant I only HAD GSM. And then 3G...

Posted by: clauretano

Quote:

Originally Posted by petard

you suck lol

Rochester MN is a tiny spec of a city, so frustrating for me!

Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatLover

Southern Californians. I was visiting down there for TWO weeks in Sherman Oaks. At a very centrally located motel (where the 101 meets the 405 for locals!), and the FIRST week, I had only had 3G, but the SECOND week was all 3G. Was every interesting experience. lol

And now you miss what Southern California is famous for... earthquakes
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?s...ocal&id=5553684

Posted by: ilvla2

Ahhh, that was just a small bump

Posted by: CatLover

Quote:

Originally Posted by formercanuck

And now you miss what Southern California is famous for... earthquakes
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?s...ocal&id=5553684

Yea, exactly, ivla2, but you were almost right, too, formercanuck! It's funny. I am still down here because they extended my capacity to where I need to be here for at least one more week. The joke at the office up in the Bay Area is that I'm suing them for damages for my having been forced to work under duress, due to this little bump, which made CNN in less than an hour, by the way. lol...It was quite a jolt, followed by a smooooth aftershock. By the way, I'm in a hotel! LOL

So at any rate, this is the first time that I am seeing improvement right here in Sherman Oaks, CA (San Fernando Valley). No 3G at where the 101 and the 405 meet for a week...and now, albeit it not at full bars, but a very strong signal, so they must have been put something up.

A quick speed test came back with 898kbps, so not too shabby.

But still, I still can't rely on the deployment down here, which is why I defected to Sprint.

Is that even one of AT&T's priorities now??? I know the first half, they spent their time rebranding stores and nail a name change into 62 million people, and hopefully more as a result. I mean, I just want the truth. Is AT&T building any new towers, and to what aggressiveness?

Thanks...

Posted by: formercanuck

There's a few sites right near 101/405.
In fact on the south/east end of the 101/405 connector (parking structure), AT&T has panels facing north/west.
With the amount of traffic in the area, there's a good amount of spectrum. I have typically found the 'weak' spot to be betweeen 101/405 and 101/Hayvenhurst.

Quote:

Ahhh, that was just a small bump

Technically..yes it was. It just happened to be at ~1 a.m., and depending on where you were, it was a pretty decent 'bump'. Valencia is closer than Sherman Oaks/Encino to it (similar distance to Chatsworth).

Posted by: arabianknight1

Any idea when they are going to expand 3G in Louisiana? Only places they have it now is Baton Rouge and New Orleans. I live in the Lake Charles area. Any idea when they will have it there?

Posted by: kaibob

Just today, some new 3G towers were activated in Huntington Beach (CA) in the area of Warner Avenue and Golden West street. I've never gotten much of a 3G signal at this location, but today I got a 5-bar 3G signal that held through two calls. I'll do some exploring tomorrow to see if this is just a few towers or more widespread. Either way, good news

Posted by: techrazor

I couldn't believe it, I was in Centennial (Denver) on the corner of Smokey Hill and Orchard and my phone was switching between 3G and Edge. Looks like they are finally testing in areas of Denver. Hopefully it will be full time 3G sooner rather than later...

Posted by: myke81

AT&T Expands Mobile Broadband Services Along the Jersey Shore

21 Shore Towns Become Wireless "Hot Spots"

PARSIPPANY, N.J., Aug. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Millions of people living, visiting (incl. clogging up our highways, causing gas prices to go up, littering the streets with bennies) the Jersey shore no longer have to rely solely on wired connections for broadband access to the Internet (if you're standing outside or if you're right under the cell tower, since 1900 only gets you so far...)AT&T Inc. today announced the expansion of its third generation (3G) mobile broadband network transforming 21 towns in Ocean County into a wireless superhighway.

With the addition of 46 new cell sites, AT&T is now offering 3G wireless services in Lakewood, Brick, Toms River, Dover Township, Bayville, Point Pleasant Borough, Seaside Park, Seaside Heights, Lacey Township, Waretown, Forked River, Stafford Township, Manahawkin, Barnegat, West Creek, Harvey Cedars, Ship Bottom, Brant Beach, Beach Haven, Tuckertown (should be Tuckerton but we'll forgive the misspelling), and Little Egg Harbor Township (where no one really lives and it smells like rotted, lingering farts)

Ocean County is just the latest addition to AT&T's high speed broadband network available in Monmouth, Middlesex, Mercer, Atlantic, and Cape May Counties as well as parts of Morris, Essex and Bergen Counties. The company's 3G network has also been deployed in New York City, and is available in sections of Westchester County and Long Island including the Route 110 corridor and the Hamptons. Since 2004, the company has spent $1.2 billion making wireless network improvements including the addition of more than 600 new cell sites to enhance coverage and capacity and expand its 3G network.

AT&T customers using the 3G mobile broadband network can rapidly access e-mail, browse the Internet or connect to business applications in a fraction of the time it used to take. Customers with compatible devices can also enjoy Video Share, a revolutionary new service that lets consumers stream live video while having a conversation from phone to phone.

"Video Share is another example of how advanced wireless services are changing our everyday lives," said Tom DeVito, vice president and general manager for AT&T's wireless unit in New Jersey and New York. "Think how empowering it is to be able to show others exactly what you are seeing, when you are seeing it, and to share that experience from the beach, across town or around the country."

PERSONAL MOBILITY -- FAST AND FURIOUS

Customers can catch up on all news and sports from CNN, ABC or ESPN or watch the latest episode of "Entourage" by signing up for AT&T's CV, an on-demand streaming video service with a large selection of popular mobile content that can be viewed on 3G broadband-capable AT&T phones.

"We've tailored our video services so that customers can quickly and easily personalize and access the information that's most important to them," added DeVito. "Imagine Mom on vacation checking out the weather video before deciding whether to take the kids to the beach or the movies, or the executive taking a three-day weekend and being able to check the latest action on Wall Street with headlines from CNBC - all on their wireless phone from AT&T." The service also includes local weather forecasts in 100 cities across the country.

Basic service includes more viewing options for families including ABC-TV, Cartoon Network, CNN, Disney Channel, Disney Mobile Studios, ESPN, FOX Sports, FOX News, FOX-TV, FUEL, HBO Family, iFilm, Jayski Alerts, Music Choice, NASCAR.com To Go (premium), NCAA Championship Sports Content, NBC, Richard Childress Racing, SPEED, The Weather Channel and TV Guide Channel. The video service requires a $19.99 MEdia Max package. Premium content, such as HBO Mobile or HBO Family is available with a subscription fee of $4.99 or $2.99 a month.

MOBILIZING BUSINESS AT HIGH SPEED

Using its 3G broadband services, AT&T's LaptopConnect gives users the ability to stay connected to e-mail, the Internet and business applications while on the go. LaptopConnect combines either an external LaptopConnect card or an integrated modem within a notebook computer with AT&T's Communication Manager to provide access to the 3G network. LaptopConnect also offers security features comparable to alternative wireless technologies such as Wi-Fi. Customers can choose from AT&T's full portfolio of LaptopConnect cards, costing $49.99 with a two-year contract and mail-in rebate at AT&T-owned wireless retail stores, http://www.wireless.att.com, or through AT&T's business-to-business sales organization. Additionally, business customers traveling outside the United States can select one of two international data plans. AT&T DataConnect North America ($109.99 for 100MB) for travel within Canada and Mexico, and DataConnect Global ($139.99 for 100MB), an overseas plan -- both include unlimited data usage on AT&T's domestic data networks.

All AT&T LaptopConnect cards and integrated modems are interoperable between the company's nationwide EDGE (Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution) and its 3G network. Additionally, customers can use AT&T's tri-band 3G cards to access 3G, EDGE or GPRS (General Packet Radio Service) in 130 countries worldwide.

THE TECHNOLOGY: HSDPA/UMTS

AT&T's 3G broadband network uses HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access), the high speed evolution of GSM/EDGE, which shares a common core network and therefore is backward compatible with EDGE/GPRS. HSDPA provides average download data speeds between 400 and 700 Kbps (kilobits per second) with bursts to more than 1MB (megabit). The company currently offers high speed services in more than 165 major metropolitan areas across the country. HSDPA/UMTS (High Speed Downlink Packet Access/Universal Mobile Telecommunications Systems) technology makes it possible for people to enjoy a wide variety of wireless content and gives AT&T the advantage of offering simultaneous voice and data services to customers based upon the Global Standard for Mobile communications -- GSM. For businesses and consumers, this means more feature-rich services and content, and for AT&T, a more economical method for carrying traffic and more efficient use of wireless spectrum.

"AT&T 's 3G mobile broadband service gives customers quick access to the information they crave, whether that means watching streaming video of Mets highlights on their wireless phone while waiting in line to grab a hot dog at Seaside, or working from the beach using a PC card to access the Internet and corporate e-mail. We're giving customers an 'invisible wire' that extends their broadband experience beyond their office or home."

In areas where the 3G broadband network is not available, customers will automatically receive service on the company's EDGE network. The AT&T EDGE network is available in more than 13,000 cities and towns and in areas along 40,000 miles of highways, providing average data speeds up to 135 Kbps. GSM, the world's most popular wireless technology, is used by international wireless carriers to serve more than 2 billion people worldwide. GSM enables AT&T customers to make and receive voice calls in 200 countries.

Note: This AT&T release and other news announcements are available as part of an RSS feed at http://www.att.com/rss.

About AT&T

AT&T Inc. is a premier communications holding company. Its subsidiaries and affiliates, AT&T operating companies, are the providers of AT&T services in the United States and around the world. Among their offerings are the world's most advanced IP-based business communications services and the nation's leading wireless, high speed Internet access and voice services. In domestic markets, AT&T is known for the directory publishing and advertising sales leadership of its Yellow Pages and YELLOWPAGES.COM organizations, and the AT&T brand is licensed to innovators in such fields as communications equipment. As part of its three-screen integration strategy, AT&T is expanding its TV entertainment offerings. Additional information about AT&T Inc. and the products and services provided by AT&T subsidiaries and affiliates is available at http://www.att.com.

(C) 2007 AT&T Knowledge Ventures. All rights reserved. AT&T and the AT&T logo are trademarks of AT&T Knowledge Ventures. For more information, please review this announcement in the AT&T newsroom at http://www.att.com/newsroom.

Posted by: CatLover

Quote:

Originally Posted by formercanuck

There's a few sites right near 101/405.
In fact on the south/east end of the 101/405 connector (parking structure), AT&T has panels facing north/west.
With the amount of traffic in the area, there's a good amount of spectrum. I have typically found the 'weak' spot to be betweeen 101/405 and 101/Hayvenhurst.

Technically..yes it was. It just happened to be at ~1 a.m., and depending on where you were, it was a pretty decent 'bump'. Valencia is closer than Sherman Oaks/Encino to it (similar distance to Chatsworth).

As for the jolt, you're right, 1am, 12:58am to be exact, but 1:00 is what my 8525 displayed when I checked the time..., and also when it was over. It doesn't seem to have been a FOREshock. What do you think?

So are you saying the panels are not new? I figured they had just put up a few...finally. And my hotel is on Ventura Blvd., but just south of it. If the panels are facing north or west, are they really useful for me, or is there likely another set of towers that went up? Thanks again!

Posted by: char777

Quote:

Originally Posted by techrazor

I couldn't believe it, I was in Centennial (Denver) on the corner of Smokey Hill and Orchard and my phone was switching between 3G and Edge. Looks like they are finally testing in areas of Denver. Hopefully it will be full time 3G sooner rather than later...

That's great to hear!

Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatLover

I couldn't tell you .. as I don't know the hotel (many in the area... assuming Marriott). The site is on the parking structure of the Sherman Oaks Galleria facing the 405 northbound ... or at least one sector . I think there's also a south/west facing set of panels there. The 101 and Encino in general has excellent coverage (a site at every off ramp pracitically)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...9&t=h&z=19&om=1

As for the quake.. it hit my area a bit stronger than Encino/Sherman Oaks

Code:

24722:  	Sherman Oaks  	Agency: California Strong Motion Instrumentation Program
	Lat: 34.1540     Lon: -118.4630     Distance: 21.6 km from epicenter
Station Comp 	Max Vel (cm/s) 	Max Acc (%g) 	PSA:   0.3 sec (%g) 	1.0 sec (%g) 	3.0 sec (%g)
HNE     	1.3350  	5.8250  	3.4988  	0.5999   	0.0000
HNZ      	0.3370  	1.2742  	2.2992  	0.4000  	0.0000
HNN     	0.6550  	2.2717  	3.5988  	0.7998  	0.0000


vs.

24279:  	Newhall  	Agency: California Strong Motion Instrumentation Program
	Lat: 34.3870     Lon: -118.5330     Distance: 12.6 km from epicenter
Station Comp 	Max Vel (cm/s) 	Max Acc (%g) 	PSA:   0.3 sec (%g) 	1.0 sec (%g) 	3.0 sec (%g)
HNE     	2.8680  	6.3572  	16.2947 	1.3997  	0.1999
HNZ     	1.0300  	2.7588  	6.9978  	0.6999  	0.1000
HNN     	7.2910  	11.6006 	35.4885 	3.4994  	0.2999

Also great to hear Denver getting 3G. Some day, I may move out that way.

Posted by: ilvla2

I remember the Whittier Quake in 1987, it was a 6.1, and it felt pretty darn strong at our house in nearby West Covina.

Denver won't get you away from quakes though

Pretty much the entire west is quake country, with cities like Portland, Seattle, Salt Lake City and Jackson due for major quakes in the near future. The Cascadia Subuction Zone that stretches from far NW CA up to almost Canada can produce quakes of over 9! Of course, the biggest quake ever to strike the US was in Missouri, on the New Madrid Fault, and they're due for another big one soon.

Posted by: Heinrich

All my coworkers are getting Verizon Aircards. I keep touting how cool it is to do bluetooth via my cell phone, but 3G does not exist barely in Virginia compared to thorough and complete Verizon whatchamacallit high speed access.

All this talk is cute and but the "bottom line" is that Cingular/AT&T is slow, lacking in information, confusing, befuddling, contradictory, and lacking in the most basic customer service when it comes to 3G.

Posted by: char777

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

I remember the Whittier Quake in 1987, it was a 6.1, and it felt pretty darn strong at our house in nearby West Covina.

Denver won't get you away from quakes though

That's ridiculous! Denver doesn't get earthquakes-- at least ones you can feel.

Posted by: Ink Noise

Word is that 3G is now available in Goleta, CA and soon, the surrounding Santa Barbara area.

Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

Of course, the biggest quake ever to strike the US was in Missouri, on the New Madrid Fault, and they're due for another big one soon.

Quote:

That's ridiculous! Denver doesn't get earthquakes-- at least ones you can feel.

Colorado does get earthquakes... just not as often as the California.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional.../1882_11_08.php

Posted by: CatLover

What's Sprint doing? Are they done deploying 3G pretty much and looking at 4G? I've traveled a LOT in the last months, and Sprint's been consistent EVERYWHERE.

Posted by: formercanuck

Does Sprint 'need' to deploy 4G? I don't think there's a business case for it yet.
I suspect that Sprint's next move will be VoIP style of communication over EVDO/WiMAX, shedding the cost of circuit switched networks.

Posted by: CatLover

True...Their network is actually so fast that I no longer require a traditional ISP lol...I don't do crazy GB's worth of downloads except for every now then. That's cool with Sprint, no?

Posted by: ilvla2

Quote:

Originally Posted by formercanuck

Hmmm.. I thought the biggest one was the 9.2 quake in Alaska.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional.../1964_03_28.php

A predicted large quake through Coachella valley on the San Andreas is overdue
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/...Id=1.1.1&sflg=1

Colorado does get earthquakes... just not as often as the California.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional.../1882_11_08.php

In raw scale, it was smaller, an estimated 8.0 (this was in 1811, no Richter Scale yet), but due to the geology there, it affected a far greater area than the Alaska Quake.

http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/prepare/factsheets/NewMadrid/

"The Mississippi Valley-"Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On"
In the winter of 1811-12, the central Mississippi Valley was struck by three of the most powerful earthquakes in U.S. history. Even today, this region has more earthquakes than any other part of the United States east of the Rocky Mountains. Government agencies, universities, and private organizations are working to increase awareness of the earthquake threat and to reduce loss of life and property in future shocks.
The 400 terrified residents in the town of New Madrid (Missouri) were abruptly awakened by violent shaking and a tremendous roar. It was December 16, 1811, and a powerful earthquake had just struck. This was the first of three magnitude-8 earthquakes and thousands of aftershocks to rock the region that winter.

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Severe shaking accompanied the powerful New Madrid earthquakes that struck during the winter of 1811-1812. By winter's end, few houses within 250 miles of the Mississippi River town of New Madrid (Missouri) remained undamaged. (19th-century illustration, courtesy of the State Historical Society of Missouri.)

Survivors reported that the earthquakes caused cracks to open in the earth's surface, the ground to roll in visible waves, and large areas of land to sink or rise. The crew of the New Orleans (the first steamboat on the Mississippi, which was on her maiden voyage) reported mooring to an island only to awake in the morning and find that the island had disappeared below the waters of the Mississippi River. Damage was reported as far away as Charleston, South Carolina, and Washington, D.C.

These dramatic accounts clearly show that destructive earthquakes do not happen only in the western United States. In the past 20 years, scientists have learned that strong earthquakes in the central Mississippi Valley are not freak events but have occurred repeatedly in the geologic past. The area of major earthquake activity also has frequent minor shocks and is known as the New Madrid seismic zone.

Earthquakes in the central or eastern United States affect much larger areas than earthquakes of similar magnitude in the western United States. For example, the San Francisco, California, earthquake of 1906 (magnitude 7.8) was felt 350 miles away in the middle of Nevada, whereas the New Madrid earthquake of December 1811 (magnitude 8.0) rang church bells in Boston, Massachusetts, 1,000 miles away. Differences in geology east and west of the Rocky Mountains cause this strong contrast. "....."Strong earthquakes in the New Madrid seismic zone are certain to occur in the future. In contrast to the western United States the causes and effects of earthquakes in the central and eastern United States are just beginning to be understood. Through better understanding of earthquake hazards and through public education, earth scientists and engineers are helping to protect the citizens of all parts the United States from loss of life and property in future earthquakes."......"In 1811, the central Mississippi Valley was sparsely populated. Today, the region is home to millions of people, including those in the cities of St. Louis, Missouri, and Memphis, Tennessee. Adding to the danger, most structures in the region were not built to withstand earthquake shaking, as they have been in California and Japan. Moreover, earthquake preparations also have lagged far behind"

The central Mississippi Valley is the most earthquake-prone region of the United States east of the Rocky Mountains, check out this map of the quakes there since 1974-

Posted by: ilvla2

That's a map of similar sized earthquakes in CA and MO, the red and yellow is the affected area, you can see how much larger an area those midwestern quakes affect. The Red indicated extreme to heavy damage, the yellow is little to moderate damage.

Posted by: neilson

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

Damn, and anyone that's visited Memphis in its current condition(or watched Hustle and Flow) knows that if an 1812 powerful earthquake struck again on the New Madrid fault, it'd be something out of "Escape from New York". Only, it'd be "Escape from Memphrica" and looks like St. Louis, Louisville, and Cincinnati would be heavily affected too. The reason Northern Mississippi, much of Arkansas, and points in Eastern Tennessee and Kentucky aren't in the red zone is because of better soil. The downside is that within the red zone are Nuclear Power Plants, Gov't facilities that have nerve agents(which are in the process of being destroyed), and God only knows what else.

Is it ok for me to say **** now?

Posted by: char777

Quote:

Originally Posted by formercanuck

Oh yeah, we get 6.6 earthquakes all the time! As a matter of fact, I felt a 4.0 this morning!

Posted by: Ink Noise

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatLover

What's Sprint doing? Are they done deploying 3G pretty much and looking at 4G? I've traveled a LOT in the last months, and Sprint's been consistent EVERYWHERE.

Sprint doesn't really need to at the moment. AT&T has been so slow to rollout their network, it looks like they're doing the work now to be where Sprint and Verizon were three years ago. Ugh.

Currently, Sprint is partnering with certain companies to roll out WiMax technologies in about a hundred major markets if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: clauretano

I have a feeling Rochester is being 'worked on' right now. I was noticing horrendous download speeds on my Treo (supports edge), checked, and it said I was on GPRS. One of my roommates asked me if something was wrong with the network because he keeps getting dropped calls (not a usual occurrence, at least not here).. he mentioned that the "G" displayed near his signal strength indicator was gone..

Now I'll need to get my blackjack out of the closet. Anyone know of a WM5/6 app that just makes a loud noise or vibration when you enter a 3G coverage area? If not I'll have to get one of my roommates (did WM development for a year so it should be easy) to make an app.. I want to know the moment it happens :P

Posted by: CatLover

Quote:

Originally Posted by char777

Oh yeah, we get 6.6 earthquakes all the time! As a matter of fact, I felt a 4.0 this morning!

LOL...formercanuck is right. The 9.2 in AK was the biggest. And all the West is afflicted. And if you had felt a 6.6, you wouldn't be posting in a wireless forum. You'd be grateful to be alive, trying to get your electricity back, etc.

Update for the Western San Fernando Valley. It's back to GSM at my hotel (to formercanuck: yes, the Marriott), BUT when I FORCE my 8525 to 3G only, it will hold the signal just fine. Weird, no? I'm going up north again this week, and in NorCal, AT&T's 3G is almost as well deployed as Sprint's is...seemingly EVERYWHERE! lol...AT&T's 3G in the greater L.A. market is a joke, though. I mean seriously...

Posted by: CatLover

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ink Noise

Yup. Agreed. I still prefer AT&T for voice and messaging, but 3G, no. lol...In Northern California, as I just posted, it's almost the same as Sprint's EVDO Rev. A, maybe even slightly better as HSDPA is a tad faster than Rev A.

Posted by: Radiationman

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatLover

Huh?

Where in NorCal are you going? AT&T NorCal 3G coverage blows chunks!

Outside of the immediate Bay Area or the I-80 corridor 3G is almost non-existent.

Napa's covered, but Northern Marin isn't, and neither is Sonoma. AT&T's 3G coverage is just as crummy if not crummier up here as it is in LA.

Posted by: ilvla2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiationman

Huh?

Where in NorCal are you going? AT&T NorCal 3G coverage blows chunks!

Yeah, outside of Sac, Napa or the immediate SF Bay Area, it's non existent, while Verizon has EVDO in many areas of the North State (like Redding, Anderson, Corning, Los Molinos, Gridley, Live Oak, Chico, Yuba City and Marysville), and will have entire North State covered with EVDO by early next year. Edge Wireless (AT&T Affiliate) is testing and deploying 3G in their markets, including here in NorCal, so I should see it soon from them in Mendocino County, AT&T is really slacking off on 3G deployment in NorCal.

Edit-Verizon says EVDO in Mendocino and Lake Counties (as well as Sonoma County from Healdsburg to the Mendocino County Border, which includes, Geyserville, Asti and Cloverdale) by the 1st of next year, I hope! US Cellular is rolling out EVDO in areas too, but I don't know when they will here, and Edge is planning to roll out UMTS/HSDPA here very soon, and is testing it in certain markets as we speak.

Posted by: CatLover

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiationman

Huh?

Where in NorCal are you going? AT&T NorCal 3G coverage blows chunks!

Wow, really? I'm having no problems in San Fran, Palo Alto, and San Jose. Now I'm in San Diego now and both AT&T and Sprint are about equally as good as far as I can see. Anybody want to chime in as far as San Diego goes?

By the way, where in NorCal are you exactly because I am mainly in the Bay Area when I'm up there.

Posted by: ilvla2

That's the problem, AT&T's 3G is ONLY in the immediate Bay Area, Sacramento and Napa, most of NorCal has no 3G with AT&T, that includes Williams, Willows, Corning, Cottonwood, Anderson, Redding, Red Bluff, Chico, Gridley, Live Oak, Marysville, Yuba City and Colusa-the counties of Marin, Sonoma, Colusa, Glenn, Tehama, Shasta, Butte, Sutter and Yuba.

As for me, I'm 115 miles north of San Francisco in Redwood Valley in Mendocino County- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwoo...y%2C_California . This area is served by Edge Wireless, an AT&T Affiliate- http://www.edgewireless.com Edge is rolling out 3G, and is testing and deploying it as we speak. Edge Wireless serves Mendocino, Lake, Humboldt, Del Norte, Trinity, Siskiyou, Modoc, Lassen and Plumas Counties in NorCal, as well as S OR, SE ID and W WY.

Edit-Verizon is way ahead of AT&T in the 3G dept, they already cover much of the North State, and will have the entire North State covered by early next year. AT&T needs to get their act together, they are falling behind in the 3G market. I don't know about Sprint, they don't have service here in my area, and I have no way to check their network in NorCal.

Edit 2-An excellent primer on NorCal geography-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_California

Posted by: CatLover

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

That's the problem, AT&T's 3G is ONLY in the immediate Bay Area, Sacramento and Napa, most of NorCal has no 3G with AT&T, that includes Williams, Willows, Corning, Cottonwood, Anderson, Redding, Red Bluff, Chico, Gridley, Live Oak, Marysville, Yuba City and Colusa-the counties of Marin, Sonoma, Colusa, Glenn, Tehama, Shasta, Butte, Sutter and Yuba.

As for me, I'm 115 miles north of San Francisco in Redwood Valley in Mendocino County- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwoo...y%2C_California . This area is served by Edge Wireless, an AT&T Affiliate- http://www.edgewireless.com Edge is rolling out 3G, and is testing and deploying it as we speak. Edge Wireless serves Mendocino, Lake, Humboldt, Del Norte, Trinity, Siskiyou, Modoc, Lassen and Plumas Counties in NorCal, as well as S OR, SE ID and W WY.

Edit-Verizon is way ahead of AT&T in the 3G dept, they already cover much of the North State, and will have the entire North State covered by early next year. AT&T needs to get their act together, they are falling behind in the 3G market. I don't know about Sprint, they don't have service here in my area, and I have no way to check their network in NorCal.

Edit 2-An excellent primer on NorCal geography-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_California

I see...Well, this is what I get in San Diego with my speakeasy server in San Fran.

Sprint EVDO rocks! LOL...

Posted by: ilvla2

Yeah it does, though I can beat that by quite a bit with my Comcast HSI connection

Posted by: CatLover

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

Yeah it does, though I can beat that by quite a bit with my Comcast HSI connection

Hehe...well, duh, of course. How much are you paying for that speed?

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

Yeah it does, though I can beat that by quite a bit with my Comcast HSI connection

I don't want to guess on what you do with a +15Mbps connection, or want to guess the cost involved. I do remote tech support on many servers (Windows, Sun, Linux,HP-UX,AIX), switches, load balancers and routers, and I do fine with a 3Mbps/512kbps DSL connection.

Of course, in some markets, it costs as much for a 3Mbps DSL connection as it does for 10Mbps cable.

Posted by: ilvla2

I'm not sure why you rolled your eyes at me, I think you misread what I wrote

Cat and I were just talking, and I was showing how much better wired speeds are than wireless

Anyway, I am on the 8000/768 (Performance Plus) tier with Comcast, they have something called PowerBoost, which gives you upload and downloads boosts of speed for a limited time (ie.the first 100 or so MB's, sometimes more). We pay 66 a month for that connection, it is 52 a month for cable tv customers, but we have Directv for our tv service.

We were an Adelphia market by the way, and were transitioned to Comcast earlier this year. Our CO isn't even equipped for DSL, but with those speeds who cares!

Edit-Powerboost http://www.comcast.com/powerboost/

Posted by: formercanuck

That's why I posted that it costs similar in 'some markets' (i.e. Embarq markets - DSL is ~ $50/month).
Many posting on DSLReports.com boast cable vs. dsl for its high speed (15Mbps in many areas), however, very few look into the cost or have any real apps that use it, and end up flushing about $120/year or more for a couple of Mbps more typically for bragging rights. If I'm not mistaken, Comcast doesn't have many tiers of HSI packages.. its fast/expensive or faster/more expensive.

Here in So-Cal, its $25 for 3Mbps, $35 for 6Mbps... of course, you have to add in about $10 for a basic POTS line though

TW has $35/1.5Mbps, $45/6Mbps, $55/8Mbps, and at least has an 'entry' level pricing.
As a comparison, I have family that pay CDN $37/month for 5Mbps/1Mbps cable (w/o TV service).

Similar to Wireless pricing, price / Mbps goes down, but overall price doesn't.

Posted by: ilvla2

Actually, Comcast has quite a few pricing tiers-

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/7024

Like I said though, DSL isn't even an option for us, in fact, DSL is only available via AT&T in three towns, Ukiah, Willits and Fort Bragg, and then you have to be in town. Comcast (formerly Adelphia) serves, Ukiah, Calpella, Redwood Valley, Willits, Fort Bragg, Albion, Inglenook, Cleone and Mendocino.

There is a wireless outfit here too, Willits Online, which serves those towns plus some without any broadband (like Laytonville, Covelo and Potter Valley), though they are very expensive, still better than satellite HSI. Our county is very mountainous and heavily forestd, so wireless dsl is a MAJOR hit or miss thing.

Posted by: formercanuck

That's one of the downfalls of being rural... however, being in NorCal (away from the big smog / dust bowl of SoCal) has its advantages as well. Comcast's lite tier is decent... however having its price up there at $45/month as an entry point for HSI doesn't make it attractive. On a cost/Mbps, obviously 16Mbps is attractive (or nobody would purchase it

). Its all marketing.
AT&T has (and is) overly conservative with their bandwidth on both HSDPA and its landline counterpart DSL/Uverse, offering nothing to write home about.

Posted by: ilvla2

Well, there's a lot of beautiful places in SoCal too, the deserts, mountains, coast, heck, you are less than 2 hours from the East San Gabriel River Wilderness. I think L.A. has to be one of the only places in the US where you can be in the heart of the big city, and an hour later be in the wilderness

It is beautiful up here too I admit, very beautiful.

http://www.gomendo.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendoc...nty,_California

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwoo...y%2C_California My humble abode of Redwood Valley

Posted by: char777

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

Well, there's a lot of beautiful places in SoCal too, the deserts, mountains, coast, heck, you are less than 2 hours from the East San Gabriel River Wilderness. I think L.A. has to be one of the only places in the US where you can be in the heart of the big city, and an hour later be in the wilderness

Have you ever been to Denver?

Posted by: ilvla2

Yep, and it's beautiful there too, but there isn't the variety there. I'm talking about sheer variety, living in L.A., you can go to the beach in the morning, go skiing in the afternoon and be in the wilderness and spend the evening in the desert, all in one day. There are very few places you can do that

CA has probably more variety in climates, animals and plants than just about any other state, that's not propaganda or putting down any other state, just facts.

I think it's beautiful where I live-see my links

Edit-I also lived for 7 years in Pocatello, Idaho, where my parents are originally from, I have many relatives in Southeastern Idaho. It's also beautiful there, but again, not the variety I find in CA.

Posted by: char777

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

Yep, and it's beautiful there too, but there isn't the variety there. I'm talking about sheer variety, living in L.A., you can go to the beach in the morning, go skiing in the afternoon and be in the wilderness and spend the evening in the desert, all in one day. There are very few places you can do that

CA has probably more variety in climates, animals and plants than just about any other state, that's not propaganda or putti