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Posted by: alphaivt

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Originally Posted by neilson

All I request is that we have a subforum for 3G rollouts and that way we can have several individual threads based on location vs. this single massive thread.

great idea.

in the mean time, how is the 3G coverage in the Orange County area? Specifically Huntington Beach and Laguna Hills.

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by clauretano

o_O thought HSDPA just allowed you to do data and voice at the same time no problemo.. didn't think AT&T would actually switch voice onto the CDMA radio.. because that would be quite gross. .. and it would be quite a tax on their new network to toss everyone with a 3g phone onto a voip service via phone.. handling switching to 2g and back to 3g without dropping calls and all that stuff

GSM (as we call it) = TDMA based (200 kHz channels) on MAP core
3G/UMTS/HSDPA = WCDMA (a form of CDMA using 5MHz channels) on MAP core.

3G at this time does not use VoIP, however, you _can_ do VoIP over a 3G connection (against TOS though).

Voice calls do hand off between 3G and GSM (I have it happen daily) w/o dropping.

Throwing voice onto the WCDMA is not a tax, as it is part of the standard 3G/UMTS spec. Eventually (quite a while) GSM will fade out.

Posted by: ilvla2

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

Voice calls do hand off between 3G and GSM (I have it happen daily) w/o dropping.

I know they can, but I have had many dropped calls when going from 2G to 3G around Sacramento. When I was at the Railroad Academy in Pleasant Grove (just north of Sac), it would flucuate between 2G and 3G, and every time it did I lost my call. Also, when traveling from the school back to my apt in Sac, it would drop the call right where the 3G picked up. Maybe they've fine tuned it since then (I graduated the end of Feb), I hope.

Posted by: char777

Listen, I got a little worked up over nothing yesterday, and I apologise to ilvla2 and the rest of the readers and contributors of this thread. I'm sorry to waste this cyberspace.

Back to the topic: I heard that some 3G towers are already being turned on in Denver. Is this true?

Posted by: ilvla2

No sweat, it's all forgotten Char

Posted by: mmaximus

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Originally Posted by char777

Back to the topic: I heard that some 3G towers are already being turned on in Denver. Is this true?

All I've heard was someone caught a wiff of 3G out in SE Aurora (Smokey Hill area)...that and it works somewhere in the tech center (other than ATT's building).

Posted by: RogerPodacter

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

GSM (as we call it) = TDMA based (200 kHz channels) on MAP core
3G/UMTS/HSDPA = WCDMA (a form of CDMA using 5MHz channels) on MAP core.

3G at this time does not use VoIP, however, you _can_ do VoIP over a 3G connection (against TOS though).

Voice calls do hand off between 3G and GSM (I have it happen daily) w/o dropping.

Throwing voice onto the WCDMA is not a tax, as it is part of the standard 3G/UMTS spec. Eventually (quite a while) GSM will fade out.

but technically dont all voice calls for any cell tower go through a T1 internet line to route throughout the country? whether its verizon or ATT (cdma or gsm) i thought all mobile services connect to the handset via wireless cellular, then get routed through T1 connections all over the place. or are there separate infrastructure deployed by the cell company? or do they use standard telephone lines?

Posted by: CatLover

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Originally Posted by neilson

It's not really a vacation if you're not having any fun. Just call it detention, or Suspension. Hofo isn't that far off from High School anyway.

Agreed 100%. It's threatening and creates a negative atmosphere. So fine, here it goes, AT&T 3g ROLLOUT - Latest market launching:

My travels have taken me to the U.S.-Mexican border. 3G is EVERYWHERE, even south of San Diego all the way to San Yisidro. To that extent, the online map is correct when it shows blue all over Diego and all the way south (15 miles worth) to the border. Same goes for Sprint, but that's everywhere anyway. Happy?

Posted by: rpmura

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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter

Yes, they connect to the wireless carrier's switch via T1, fiber, etc. From the switch, they get routed through trunks, ATM networks, I.P. networks, etc. The wireless carrier usually purchases these trunks etc. from the LEC, such as AT&T, Verizon, Qwest. Even though AT&T mobility is owned by AT&T, they still have to buy their circuits from AT&T like a separate entity. In places like New York, they have to buy them from Verizon, and visa versa with Verizon Wireless.
That's a big part of the business for the big telco's. Selling circuits to other carriers.

Posted by: keiri

Just an update on the Fayetteville region; we may be 3G by the end of the year. at&t has been building out the network around here for a good while but yesterday while connecting to mediaNet my V3xx kept switching between 3G, EDGE, and GPRS.

So they're working on it. Finally.

Posted by: wpbear

I was told by a CORP store in Potomac Mills that by end of Sept Lorton VA would be 3G and By end of Dec Woodbridge, VA will be 3G. I am just hoping for any coverage near Lorton since I barely get one bar of E in my house.

Posted by: awagner06

I am an account executive for AT&T in the DC metro area and from what I keep hearing the 3G network should be north to Frederick, MD, south in your direction to Fredericksburg, west to Gainesville, VA, and Leesburg, VA. This market has been one of the most successful in moving subs to 3G and more than 60% of voice calls are carried on the 3G network now in areas where it is rolled out. Believe me, it will make my job much easier when I can recomend 3G laptop connect to customers in outlying areas.

Posted by: awagner06

I forgot to mention that these additions are suppose to be completed my Feb '08 (when we gain spectrum from TDMA/ Analog turndown)

Posted by: frostycakes

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Originally Posted by mmaximus

All I've heard was someone caught a wiff of 3G out in SE Aurora (Smokey Hill area)...that and it works somewhere in the tech center (other than ATT's building).

Was that Smoky Hill and E470, out by Southlands? I saw new panels going up on the cellsite on the power lines right on the SW corner of Southlands like two weeks ago. I don't know if that was an AT&T site , a T-Mo site, or they're both colocating (because at least my T-Mo phones show reception of -39 dBi when I drive past there, but again, it could be a coloc, or T-Mo 3G panels), but that could be part of the explanation...

Like I said multiple times before, I just want some kind of UMTS here in Denver, irregardless if it's from T-Mo or AT&T.

Posted by: kaibob

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Originally Posted by alphaivt

great idea.

in the mean time, how is the 3G coverage in the Orange County area? Specifically Huntington Beach and Laguna Hills.

Large areas of Huntington Beach now have a usable 3G signal. This includes all of Huntington Beach north of Warner Avenue and some areas south of Warner Avenue. Specific 3G locations that I have been to within the past week, and the number of bars shown at that location on my V3xx phone (5 bars possible), are as follows:

McFadden Avenue and Bolsa Chica Road - 4 bars

McFadden Avenue and Golden West Street - 4 bars

Bolsa Chica Road and Warner Avenue - 3 to 4 bars

Golden West Street and Warner Avenue - 5 bars

Main Street and Beach Boulevard - 5 bars

Westminster Boulevard and Springdale Street (Westminster) - 5 bars

As an aside, many 3G areas in Huntington Beach were just activated within the past week. The AT&T coverage maps have not been updated and should not be relied on.

Posted by: alphaivt

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Originally Posted by modred

thanks

i checked the AT&T coverage map and was puzzled that everything north of the 405 had 3g haha. I live on GW/McFadden so that's pretty good.

Posted by: bradam2001

ATT moving to slow on 3G upgrades

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AT&T are moving to slowy upgrading to 3G in the Washington DC area.

I live 20 miles north and here we only still have 2G. I work in Silver Spring and Betheds, its nice having 3G. AT&T online maps are wrong saying 3G is in an area and its not. I live about 5 miles from 3G. I live in Germantown near the highway.

I tried 3G on my laptop with my wireless card and I like the speeds.
For about 6 years now I have been using T-Mobile and just have a data only plan and no phone service. Paying only $ 30 a month is nice for edge.
Do you think T-Mobile will finish there system 1st before AT&T ?

Can't see paying $80 amonth for half the service.
I guess we will see who finishes first since T-mobile has not really started yet.

Posted by: eliminator

Is anyone seeing 3G in downtown Buffalo? My Blackjack seems to display 3G off and on.

Edit: Scratch that (I think). I think my new ATT branded Blackjack is taking a long time to switch the indicator from 3G to E.

Posted by: neilson

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Originally Posted by eliminator

Is anyone seeing 3G in downtown Buffalo? My Blackjack seems to display 3G off and on.

Edit: Scratch that (I think). I think my new ATT branded Blackjack is taking a long time to switch the indicator from 3G to E.

How do you know it isn't just Rogers 3G that's coming from Fort Erie? You do know that Rogers has been FAR more aggressive in their 3G Deployment as well as Video Calling plans.

Posted by: eliminator

I find it really depressing when I pick up 3G from Rogers, mostly north of Niagara Falls. This seems to be an ATT signal, is there a foolproof way to verify that it is 3G?

Posted by: PhillipD76

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

Eventually (quite a while) GSM will fade out.

I'm pretty sure you meant by that was GSM "as we know it now" (as in the powered by a TDMA air interface) would fade out; in relation to what you said earlier in your post.

At least that is how it looks on the gsmworld website for some time. 3rd generation gsm or 3GSM.

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

GSM (as we call it)

Posted by: formercanuck

3G in Santa Clarita and in Ventura (west of Santa Paula), but standard GSM in between on CA 126.

Also, looks like that site in Northridge (near Devonshire, behind LAPD building) is 3G

56K warning
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/scvw/DSCF6689.JPG

But this site on Winnetka north of Lassen isn't
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/scvw/DSCF6690.JPG

Posted by: clauretano

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Originally Posted by neilson

How do you know it isn't just Rogers 3G that's coming from Fort Erie? You do know that Rogers has been FAR more aggressive in their 3G Deployment as well as Video Calling plans.

Ok there's a few of us Western NY folk, I think I'm going to start a 3g rollout thread for us as it appears to be happening right now.

This past Saturday I was in Niagara Falls (on the Ontario side) and it kept flopping between AT&T Edge, AT&T 3G, Rogers Edge, and Rogers 3G.. sometimes even mixing, with it saying AT&T but 3G with a roaming indicator for data.

Either our phones are just confused or AT&T has a tower somewhere in the Buffalo/Niagara region at least partially up and running on 3G.

Rogers has the whole Niagara - Burlington - Hamilton - Toronto area well covered with 3G though, so jealous

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by clauretano

Lighting up the 'golden horseshoe' in Ontario is similar to lighting up NYC in the U.S. Its one of the areas that MUST be done. There's only a few other major cities in Canada - Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal, Kitchener/Waterloo and London (maybe Windsor as well). But that's probably 90% of Canada's population

Posted by: clauretano

Yeah I always forget how large Burlington, Hamilton, and Missisauga are because they don't look very big. Lighting up the golden horseshoe + vancouver, edmonton, calgary, winnipeg, ottawa, montreal, waterloo, london, and halifax is waaaaaaay easier than the crap AT&T has to deal with here in the states :P concentrated population centers with basically nothing in between is ftw!

Posted by: sirtekalot

NW Arkansas is now online!!! wo hoo!!

Posted by: Blackjack45

any news about fort pierce florida?

Posted by: ericrwalker

Population 37,000? I say give it 18 to 24 months.

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Originally Posted by Blackjack45

any news about fort pierce florida?

Posted by: ilvla2

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Originally Posted by ericrwalker

Population 37,000? I say give it 18 to 24 months.

That's not true, the "big" city here, Ukiah, is 15,000 and is getting EVDO in October. We're a very rural area, Mendocino County that is.

Posted by: Blackjack45

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Originally Posted by ericrwalker

Population 37,000? I say give it 18 to 24 months.

i just talked to Cheryl Voelz @ AT&T and she said there are 10 3G towers under construction within a 10 mile radius of my zipcode 34947

Posted by: ERL322

any word on the Pine Barrens area of New Jersey close to Atlantic City?

Posted by: timburke

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New 3G tower has been installed here in Plainfield, IL near Caton Farm and 126. Full 3G signal can now be received in Southern Plainfield.

Posted by: TerryMathews

Anyone got any info on the Dayton-Springfield, OH metro area? Specifically ZIP 45323? I'm boxed in by two larger metro areas with 3g (Columbus and Cincinnati) so I'm hoping ATT will make it a continuous stretch soon.

Posted by: sharpboy

i thinking about buying a gsm phone that only works 1900 band and my area does not have 3g yet the phone that i want is compatible w/ 3g, but when my area gets 3g am i going to be able to use my phone? wats the mhz of 3g? i am in central jerset momouth county thnks

Posted by: clauretano

AT&T 3G isn't GSM.. it's WCDMA

it makes it tough to get import phones

Posted by: ctalmadg

No 3G in the Rochester NY area yet. Source indicated that they were shooting for late summer to have it active. Looks like they are behind schedule.

Posted by: sharpboy

so i am guessing that this phone is not going to be compatible to att's 3g? http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_p1-1982.php

Posted by: zephxiii

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Originally Posted by sharpboy

so i am guessing that this phone is not going to be compatible to att's 3g? http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_p1-1982.php

No it will not, that phone doesn't even support the 850 GSM band in the US.

Posted by: BioHazard5

Omaha / Lincoln NE anyone? 68102 / 68516...

Posted by: TedMcGinley

any news about Chattanooga, TN/ Northeast Georgia?
anyone?

Posted by: scubatromp

How about Grand Rapids/Lansing/Holland Michigan?

Posted by: CatLover

How's service in Portland, OR??

Posted by: gbothepro

How about northern New Jersey? I live about 15 minutes from NYC, and dont have 3G. Any info would be appreciated.

Posted by: Elfreshcuh

Chill and wait

Posted by: MrDerby

Good news for some of us people in the Western PA area closer to Pittsburgh, PA. Spoke with a tech on site at a tower location in Northversailes, PA. He told me his crew was going to lunch 3G in a 3 mile radius on a scheduled date of OCT 15, then following would be the 10 mile radius on OCT 17.

OCT 15th

towers near BECH road (beside Home depot) 2 towers
On channle 40's land (Signal hill Drive) US RT48

OCT 17 A lot more........

These are goals... there may be delays for what ever reason so...

Posted by: exchguy

AT&T has been too quiet all year with any new 3G deployments. Besides the L.A. expansion and a few other smaller markets, I don't believe there's been any big announcements yet and we are getting toward the end of the year now.

I think those of us in the 'previously' spectrum deprived areas of Denver, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, OKC have waited awhile now, hanging on to the promises given to us by the bewildered store clerks, and STILL seen nothing but "Its coming". I am hoping that by mid-October we will have something to celebrate.

Seeing announcements that HSUPA is coming is interesting because AT&T still has a long way to go just getting the basic UMTS/HSDPA network to major markets while others have had them for years now.

Posted by: formercanuck

I tend to agree. Technically, there's a few things to consider:

1. Spectrum (i.e. is there enough in the market to support 3G).
2. Once the 'major' (i.e. high density) areas are complete, lower density areas _should_ not take long to build. Why? There's probably more sites in Los Angeles and NYC area as there are in the rest of the country.

Posted by: ChadS

Don't know if this has already been posted or not, but 3G is now live along I-10 in the Coachella Valley from Banning / North Palm Springs and then ends as you head up the mountains from Indio where it switches back to EDGE. Just took a quick trip from Phoenix to Orange County and back on Sunday and Monday and was surprised to see that 3G was available. I took this same trip about a month ago and didn't see any sign of 3G in the Coachella Valley.

I would assume that this means that 3G is now live for many of the desert cities in Southern California (Palm Springs, Indio, La Quinta). Also 3G was pretty widespread through Orange County. I was in Newport Beach, Aliso Viejo, Placentia, and Irvine and had decent coverage. Handoffs to GSM worked great with my Treo 750. The only place I dropped calls was heading down the hill on the 73. Those of you who live in OC will know the spot that I mean.

Posted by: formercanuck

You might want to post into the LA/OC California thread.
I'm off to San Diego for the weekend.

Posted by: zephxiii

I found that in toledo, i don't think Cingular/ATT even owns the spectrum that 3G runs in. I found this while digging around the FCC's records, some company based out of Cleveland. Interestingly enough, that explains why my phone displays an alpha tag "CLEVOHBHO" something or other while on 3G in toledo, its a grand total of 5mhz of PCS spectrum, a separate block from their own.

Posted by: PaiNtBallZ

According to this... FCC License
AT&T already owns the spectrum (at least from what I can tell). I think mid October sounds reasonable. Although, ever since May of this year the reps have been saying, "In a month or so", so who knows what's up.

Posted by: mmaximus

I talked to a sales rep in one of the Littleton stores over the weekend. 3G is supposed to be turned on in the Denver market in mid October. I believe the date was the 15th or the 17th.

Posted by: exchguy

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Originally Posted by mmaximus

I talked to a sales rep in one of the Littleton stores over the weekend. 3G is supposed to be turned on in the Denver market in mid October. I believe the date was the 15th or the 17th.

I'll believe it when I see it. But, definately hope this is right.

Posted by: CatLover

Anyone from Portland, OR? The map is all blue, and so is Seattle. Is this one of the markets that has had 3G for a while??? Thanks...

Posted by: formercanuck

Seattle was one of the first markets (even had 3G service when it was AT&T Wireless).. Portland wasn't far behind.

Posted by: Ludio

Any news of coverage in the Newark area of Jersey. I know it available but 3 bars total outside in my area drops to 1 in certains spots it the same radius i'm guessing a lil over a mile around. Inside its none existant. Told there was going to be built one tower but not in my area att seems very slow in getting this done its been 2 years almost gsm was built out faster than this.

Posted by: exchguy

Does anyone know if there are 3G markets that have been deployed on 850mhz rather than 1900mhz?

I know that here in Denver, tower spacing is optimal for 850 but I'm concerned that when UMTS finally comes up (crossing fingers for next week) that service on 1900mhz will be pretty spotty due to tower spacing.

Posted by: mmaximus

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Originally Posted by exchguy

Does anyone know if there are 3G markets that have been deployed on 850mhz rather than 1900mhz?

I know that here in Denver, tower spacing is optimal for 850 but I'm concerned that when UMTS finally comes up (crossing fingers for next week) that service on 1900mhz will be pretty spotty due to tower spacing.

I'm concerned about that too. Based on what I'm hearing on how GSM and 3G use bandwidth, we won't see 3G on 850 for a while. I have had good luck (with the exception of my office) with GSM coverage on a 1900 only phone here in town. I'm hoping for the same with 3G.

Posted by: exchguy

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Originally Posted by mmaximus

I did happen to find a post in this forum from a couple of month ago that someone said that New Orleans might be UMTS on 850 and it was thought that Chicago might be 850 but could be speculation unless someone actually saw it from their devices engineering mode.

In any market where ATT has an A block on Cellular (850) I guess it theoretically could be possible that they could take 10mhz of that spectrum and carve it for UMTS but that would take away a nice chunk from GSM users and may cause issues for the majority of subscribers. But, here in Denver 850 is the bread and butter of coverage because up until the spectrum transfer from Edge, they only had like 5 mhz in 1900.

Posted by: Barry ATL

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Originally Posted by exchguy

There is a thread here somewhere that talks about the bandwidth layout for 850. If I remember correctly, as 850 stands now, it is not possible to put 3G there. The 25 mhz is not contigious and the block big enough for 3G is divided up by the analog control channel. The speculation on that thread was we would not see 3G on 850 until they shut down analog.

Right now, I don't have time to find the thread. Maybe somebody else can look it up.

Posted by: zephxiii

My pondering is about how much spectrum are they allocating to umts/h in certain areas, i know in toledo its only 5mhz.

Posted by: Barry ATL

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Originally Posted by zephxiii

My pondering is about how much spectrum are they allocating to umts/h in certain areas, i know in toledo its only 5mhz.

It has to be 10 mhz for 3G in two contigious 5 mhz blocks. The minium for WCDMA (3G) to work is 5 mhz send and 5 mhz receive.

Posted by: formercanuck

Denver area has the Cell A block (25MHz = 12.5MHz x 2 paired) and at least the PCS D block (10 MHz = 5MHz x 2) and what they're leasing off of Edge Wireless, if I'm not mistaken (10MHz ?).

PCS blocks work better for 3G deployment, as they will fail over to GSM on the 850MHz band, and unless AT&T has both cell blocks (very few markets), the 850 band would be carved up, and not work effectively.

Posted by: char777

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Originally Posted by formercanuck

Denver area has the Cell A block (25MHz = 12.5MHz x 2 paired) and at least the PCS D block (10 MHz = 5MHz x 2) and what they're leasing off of Edge Wireless, if I'm not mistaken (10MHz ?).

PCS blocks work better for 3G deployment, as they will fail over to GSM on the 850MHz band, and unless AT&T has both cell blocks (very few markets), the 850 band would be carved up, and not work effectively.

So are you saying that the signal will fade even more on my 900/1800/1900 mobile as the power switches are flipped on the 3G towers in Denver?

Posted by: formercanuck

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Originally Posted by char777

So are you saying that the signal will fade even more on my 900/1800/1900 mobile as the power switches are flipped on the 3G towers in Denver?

You may (or may not) have GSM 1900 coverage at all.
I suspect that they're using the Edge Wireless 1900 MHz spectrum, however, at some point, the remaining 1900MHz spectrum will most likely end up as 3G only, with 25MHz GSM 850 (paired) and 20MHz of PCS 3G spectrum.

Posted by: zephxiii

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Originally Posted by Barry ATL

It has to be 10 mhz for 3G in two contigious 5 mhz blocks. The minium for WCDMA (3G) to work is 5 mhz send and 5 mhz receive.

I know its 5mhz paired. and nm i was wrong, its a 15mhz C block

Posted by: zephxiii

Also just realized in my city they (ATT) only have a 5mhz block, gonna be a while before we ever see 3G. Unless they can work out a deal with someone else, or they buy centennial (who has a cellular side and a 5mhz PCS block).

I noticed GTE has a 15mhz PCS block, wonder who the hell is using that spectrum, verizon has the other cellular side, and another 15mhz PCS block (they have too much

), sprint has a 5mhz block (though just deployed evdo somewhere), tmobile has a couple of 5mhz blocks, USCC has 15mhz block...hmmmm

Posted by: clauretano

Is there some central web site (FCC I would assume but couldn't find it) where you can look up who owns what part of the spectrum in what city?

Posted by: zephxiii

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Originally Posted by clauretano

Is there some central web site (FCC I would assume but couldn't find it) where you can look up who owns what part of the spectrum in what city?

Yes:

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/Uls...hGeographic.jsp

I usually punch in the actual frequency ranges:

PCS: 1850-1990

Cellular: 824-894

then select state, county etc

EDIT: I also check the "market" tab per license to verify it applies to whatever specific market i'm looking for.

Posted by: clauretano

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Originally Posted by zephxiii

Wow thanks for that info! There's so much info, and I've only done the 824-894mhz search so far.

cingular has a lot, no?
824.04 - 834.99 paired with 869.04 - 879.99
845.01 - 846.48 paired with 890.01 - 891.48

That's it for cingular.. there were EIGHTEEN pages of nextel licenses though.. most of the ones I saw were really specific frequencies (no big ranges .. but I'm sure I just missed that one)

Eastman Kodak has a lot of licenses in that range.. can't wait for them to go bankrupt and hopefully disappear so that they can give up the licenses :P

Two 15MHz ranges up high though
001870.00000000-001885.00000000
001950.00000000-001965.00000000

where's the 3g already???

Posted by: zephxiii

Forgot to add that you want to look for the "CL" and "CW" radio services, to help weed through other stuff.

Looks i was wrong in an earlier post as well (with regards to what att has here), must of been tired

EDIT: also you can't just look at "associated frequencies", you have to click on market and look at the range specified for what area.

Posted by: neilson

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Originally Posted by zephxiii

Also just realized in my city they (ATT) only have a 5mhz block, gonna be a while before we ever see 3G. Unless they can work out a deal with someone else, or they buy centennial (who has a cellular side and a 5mhz PCS block).

I noticed GTE has a 15mhz PCS block, wonder who the hell is using that spectrum, verizon has the other cellular side, and another 15mhz PCS block (they have too much

), sprint has a 5mhz block (though just deployed evdo somewhere), tmobile has a couple of 5mhz blocks, USCC has 15mhz block...hmmmm

GTE is Verizon. Being in Fort Wayne or right near there, you should know that. And Centennial isn't going anywhere. They are HQ'd in Fort Wayne and they are a Summit City company through and through. It's gonna take a lot of money for at&t to buy out Centennial.

Posted by: zephxiii

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Originally Posted by neilson

Didn't know Cent was HQ'd in the fort

Yea I was way wrong with the spectrum numbers earlier, so i was assuming GTE was leasing to someone else somewhere in the confusion.

Have it sorted now though:

Cell:
GTE/VZW - B
Cent. - A

PCS:
att does have a 15mhz block (A)
GTE/VZW has a 5mhz part of B , a lease through cellco (i think) who ironically has VZW contact info,
T-mobile has 20mhz (a lot, F and C),
cent has a 5mhz block (E),
USCC has the other 10mhz of B,
Sprint is the all time grand winner who has a spectacular amount of 5mhz (D)

Posted by: formercanuck

Thats Cellular A band you're seeing... and no, that's technically not a lot. Its 25MHz, (12.5MHz paired)
See http://tk.com/wireless

Nextel will show a ton, as they're using SMR800, which is composed of a whole lot of small channels.

Posted by: vroomish

Maybe i missed it (this is a HUGE thread) but anyone know the frequencies that the ft. lauderdale FL area is running in 3g and also standard GSM/EDGE?

Posted by: rando191

wish Spokane WA would get some 3g

--- i havn't done any research yet, does anybody have some info? The reps i ask are always clueless...

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Originally Posted by vroomish

Maybe i missed it (this is a HUGE thread) but anyone know the frequencies that the ft. lauderdale FL area is running in 3g and also standard GSM/EDGE?

What county is that?

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Originally Posted by vroomish

Maybe i missed it (this is a HUGE thread) but anyone know the frequencies that the ft. lauderdale FL area is running in 3g and also standard GSM/EDGE?

What county is that?

Posted by: vroomish

Quote:

Originally Posted by zephxiii

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What county is that?

Broward county. Also, info on Gainesville florida (alachua county) would be great too.

Posted by: zephxiii

As far a Broward, Cingular has both cellular sides, PCS D (5mhzP), and a 5mhz chunk of A

Alachua, cingular has Cellular A, PCS E(5mhzP), and a 5mhz block of C

paired

Posted by: artnstuffs

Sometime Monday, ATT will turn on its 3G with HSDPA/HSUPA in the State of Hawaii, Island of Oahu. Insiders tell me most of Oahu will be launched, remaining by summer 08.

We have been getting crap coverage on EDGE as of late, and individuals at the stores tell me that one of the four radios (850mhz) in each tower was taken down and replaced with UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA but has been restricted during testing. Sometime monday, the techs are expected to give their go and Hawaii will bask in the glow of high speed 3G for ATT. FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know if anyone cares...but my laptop card and blackjack have been waiting for this moment for a while!!!

Posted by: formercanuck

Hmm.. 850MHz 3G in Hawaii.. why?
AT&T has (or at least had) both 850 and 1900 MHz in Hawaii AFAIK (I used 1900 MHz AT&T Wireless back in 2003 on Maui). AT&T would push 1900 MHz 3G in most markets, as slicing up the 850MHz band is just bad news.

Posted by: vaillaw

Reports were that HSDPA was to be turned on today Oct 15th, in Denver. Can anybody confirm that one way or another?

Bruce

Posted by: CatLover

Is there ANYONE from Portland, Oregon here????

Posted by: exchguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaillaw

Reports were that HSDPA was to be turned on today Oct 15th, in Denver. Can anybody confirm that one way or another?

Bruce

Nope, no 3G in Denver as of now.

See the Denver thread below, but no 3G has been sited in any of the major markets still waiting for 3G (i.e. Denver, Minn/St. Paul, Pittsburgh). ATT Reps have been telling people that 3G had a good chance of launching today in all of these markets, but so far nothing new from what anyone has indicated.

Posted by: SHoTTa35

dunno if it had anything to do with this date but my 3G went crazy on the way home. Normally there's one spot where i loose 3G for the rest of the afternoon but it carried a bit longer then dropped totally. Then later on 10mins later it connected again and i checked the engineering menu in my phone and saw it was on WCDMA but with no signal and the Tx and Rx channels where changing all the time. Never did that before.

Posted by: MrDerby

Quote:

Originally Posted by exchguy

Same was said for the Pittsburgh market area too. No 3G as of yet..

Posted by: PhillipD76

Seeing a Full 5 bars of 3G service in Springfield Mass, Downtown by I-91.
This just popped up at some point during the day.

Cross posting this to the Western Mass thread too!!!

Posted by: pianoman41

Western MA - Hampshire & Hampden Counties along the I-91 corridor are now 3G as of today.

Posted by: exchguy

Not that I'm not happy for the folks who've gotten 3G in Western Mass, but what the heck is the holdup for 3G in Denver, Minn/St. Paul, Pitt and OKC. So much for the 15th as the stores have been telling us. More of the same (i.e. delays?).. I guess as long as we've all waited, it really doesn't matter anymore. Although, there is still hope that it will be here sometime before the end of the month..

Posted by: Shadowplay

Has anyone tried making some calls to AT&T since yesterday's lack of rollout? I know there has never been anything official about the 15th, but since we've all been hearing that date thrown around it would be good to hear what the AT&T employees are being told internally.

Posted by: Wildcat_1

I too am in Denver and would love to know when we can expect this

Posted by: brandonlp

Pittsburgh just launched. Some guy in the other thread said it worked out in Robinson, and I can confirm it's working on the east side of the city! Go ATT! It's about damn time!

Posted by: petard

Oh my gosh it is just a PAIN seeing all these places launch and still no Twin Cities

!
Every time I look at my phone I stare at the top bar and see that damn E!!

Posted by: exchguy

Quote:

Originally Posted by petard

Oh my gosh it is just a PAIN seeing all these places launch and still no Twin Cities

!
Every time I look at my phone I stare at the top bar and see that damn E!!

Still Nada in Denver so I feel your pain here. I guess they are doing East coast first.

Posted by: ilvla2

It's pretty slow rolling out in NorCal too, it hasn't moved past San Francisco or Sacramento north in several months now. Verizon is running rings around them on EVDO deployment in NorCal.

Posted by: jayuup

Quote:

Originally Posted by formercanuck

Hmm.. 850MHz 3G in Hawaii.. why?
AT&T has (or at least had) both 850 and 1900 MHz in Hawaii AFAIK (I used 1900 MHz AT&T Wireless back in 2003 on Maui). AT&T would push 1900 MHz 3G in most markets, as slicing up the 850MHz band is just bad news.

3g delayed one day in hawaii...today, tuesday, starting at 9pm, 3g turned on. latest speed test dslreports was at 600kbs (5 back to back tests). Every 15 min or so it goes up, started at 185kbs and has been steadily climbing. current local time is 1030p.

Couldnt tell ya why 850. But I do know the Japanese DOCOMO peeps have been in town too setting up the network for use by their customers here on vacation. What exactly that entails, I dont know, but ntt DoCoMo has been providing technical assistance.

Perhaps I mistook what they said. What they told me is that there were 4 radios in each tower, (850g, 850E,1900g,1900E). They said they took down the 850E radio and I may have assumed they replaced it with a 8503G. Perhaps the tower alignment is now 850g,1900g, 1900E, 19003G.

Posted by: enigma99a

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

It's pretty slow rolling out in NorCal too, it hasn't moved past San Francisco or Sacramento north in several months now. Verizon is running rings around them on EVDO deployment in NorCal.

Hang onto your horses. The Sac switch has added a lot of capacity but the buildout isnt ready

Posted by: ilvla2

Cool, I'm looking forward to it! I'm heading over to Redding tomorrow, and then Sacramento and Placerville on Friday, can you get it ready tonight?

lol

Edge Wireless (AT&T Affiliate) is testing their 3G now too, it's on in parts of Southern Oregon and Southeastern Idaho, nothing here in Mendocino County yet but I expect it to show up here soon. They are officially rolling it out later this year or early next, and HSUPA is coming from them too in the future.

Edit-How is the expansion going for Marin and Sonoma Counties? Currently going north, 3G dies just past Larkspur. Is there a reason why AT&T is so slow in getting 3G up? Verizon seems to be putting it up very quickly, they just turned it up in Humboldt and Del Norte Counties, and Mendocino and Lake Counties is coming by December.

Posted by: Baldilocks

I'm waiting on 3G still in Central Delaware (Dover Area). I'm surrounded by lots of cities with it.. just hasnt crept its way here yet.

Posted by: ilvla2

DE should be easy too, it so small. I went across DE a few years back on Amtrak at 130 mph, I think I blinked and we missed it

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

DE should be easy too, it so small. I went across DE a few years back on Amtrak at 130 mph, I think I blinked and we missed it

You think it would be easy. We are smack dab in the middle of Philly and Baltimore... both of which are 3G. Even up in Wilminton (Northern DE) is all 3G.

Yeah... 32 miles wide at the widest part, and only 98 miles long.

Posted by: ilvla2

According to Wiki, DE is 2490 sq.miles in size with 843,000 population, my county of Mendocino is 3800 sq.miles with 88,000 population, you could fit the entire state of DE in my county

DE is small, but pretty!

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

According to Wiki, DE is 2490 sq.miles in size with 843,000 population, my county of Mendocino is 3800 sq.miles with 88,000 population, you could fit the entire state of DE in my county

DE is small, but pretty!

Yes, it's not a bad place to live. No sales tax! I'm bias, I personally think the beaches here are nicer than any other East Coast state. LOL.

Posted by: ilvla2

I would agree with you on the beach thing

We sure have some beautiful coastal areas in Mendocino County, in fact, we have some of the most unspoiled, undeveloped coastline on the West Coast. You can sure see the New England influence in towns like Mendocino and Point Arena, a lot of New Englanders settled here. Remember Murder She Wrote? Filmed in the town of Mendocino, or the Majestic with Jim Carey? Mendocino again.

Edit-Before I take this too far off-topic, here's a good site to show our county-

http://www.gomendo.com

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

I would agree with you on the beach thing

Yes, I have been to the area. I also spent a lot of time in Northern, CA up in Napa, Sonoma and stayed in Petaluma for about a month.

So how is 3G in your area?? I'm stuck with EDGE unless I am upstate.. i happen to work there so its not too bad.

Posted by: ilvla2

Cool, I live in Redwood Valley, it's 68 miles north of Santa Rosa.

For 3G, we don't have any right now, Verizon is going to turn their EVDO up here by the end of the year (they just turned it up north of us in Humboldt and Del Norte Counties), US Cellular plans to roll EVDO out next year, but no word on when it'll come here. Edge only has EDGE right now, and hasn't turned their 3G up yet, but they are testing it in SE ID and S OR, so it should show up here soon too. According to http://www.3gamericas.org, Edge is scheduled to launch HSDPA in December, with HSUPA coming in late 2008.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Yeah, Verizon has EV-DO on every tower in Delaware I think--been that way for a while. I just cant deal with their phones

What I dont get is that AT&T just built 5 new towers in my area, and none of them are 3G "on" yet.

Posted by: ilvla2

I hear ya on Verizon, I would like to ditch my Verizon line, the closed phones and Verizon UI ruins the whole experience for me.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

I hear ya on Verizon, I would like to ditch my Verizon line, the closed phones and Verizon UI ruins the whole experience for me.

Yeah, I had their last good phone. (Moto E815). After that, I had to say goodbye to them.
Coverage wise, AT&T does a better job here in Delaware and I am more than happy with AT&T.

Just wishing for some 3G love.

Posted by: ilvla2

Here, I'd say US Cellular has the best coverage, with Edge Wireless catching up very fast, and Edge even has service in some areas (Mendocino, Point Arena) the other guys don't. Verizon's native network coverage is bad here (it has been since the GTE, and before that Contel days, RSA 344 (Mendocino and Lake Counties) is their readhead stepchild), and they rely a lot on in-network roaming onto them to make up for the bad coverage.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

Here, I'd say US Cellular has the best coverage, with Edge Wireless catching up very fast, and Edge even has service in some areas (Mendocino, Point Arena) the other guys don't. Verizon's native network coverage is bad here (it has been since the GTE, and before that Contel days, RSA 344 (Mendocino and Lake Counties) is their readhead stepchild), and they rely a lot on in-network roaming onto them to make up for the bad coverage.

Yeah, only the 4 major carriers have native networks in DE. AT&T has the largest footprint here followed closely by Verizon.
There are a lot of places Sprint wont work and wont roam on Verizon.. same goes for T-Mobile.

I am just worried by the time 3G lights up here, LTE will be available in other U.S. markets

Posted by: mbhweiss

HSDPA service is available in the Pittsburgh PA market as of today. I don't know exactly when they turned it on, but it was definitely working as of 7am EDT.

Posted by: SHoTTa35

apparently a at around 7pm last night they did. See the Western, PA thread:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...=1219369&page=4

Posted by: wavesound

AT&T just launched 3G today in Worcester, MA.

Posted by: PPCMD

Rumored 3G in Syracuse NY market early November.

Posted by: ElBucko007

Searched but found nothing on this city. I was in the Myrtle, North Myrtle Beach, SC area the past week and had 3G. The map only shows Columbia, so it maybe in other cities in South Carolina.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElBucko007

Searched but found nothing on this city. I was in the Myrtle, North Myrtle Beach, SC area the past week and had 3G. The map only shows Columbia, so it maybe in other cities in South Carolina.

AT&T's 3G maps are out of date, even more so than their GSM/EDGE maps.
Would be nice if they could provide some "real-time" updates to their coverage maps online.

.....................wishfull thinking.

Posted by: SHoTTa35

You know what's funny, my BlackJack has this menu where it shows you Tower Reselection in the following categories:

2G - 3G
Intra 2G
3G - 2G
Intra 3G
Total -

and i reset it one night and in the morning it had like 2 on the 2G to 3G and the 3G to 2G colums. Now bear in mind that this is at home where i don't have 3G yet. I also always note that whenever i reset the counter and restart the phone it has 1 in 3G to 2G always before even any of the other counters change. This might be a bug but the demo in the AT&T Corp Store near me has some 2G-3G handoffs too.

Posted by: clauretano

Quote:

Originally Posted by PPCMD

Rumored 3G in Syracuse NY market early November.

There's a thread for the Update/Central/Western NY 3g rollout.. no concrete info there though. Rochester was promised like.. june-ish, and still nothing. Buffalo and Rochester in theory will get 3g before Syracuse, since it's such a small city.

We're all still crossing out fingers :P

Posted by: ThomasTuttle

Hey, my phone just showed the 3G icon for the first time in Pittsburgh!

Yay!

Posted by: ilvla2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baldilocks

Unfortuantely, they're exactly right for Northern California

Geez, EVDO is going to be almost everywhere in NorCal with Verizon by years end, yet AT&T still hasn't moved theirs north past Larkspur, Napa or Sacramento, and it still sits at Cameron Park going east.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

Unfortuantely, they're exactly right for Northern California

Yes, i think they need to stop building out right now, and focus on adding WCDMA to their current coverage. But then again, I dont run the show. LOL.

Posted by: ilvla2

I say you and I do a hostile takeover of AT&T Wireless, and get that 3G up by years end, game?

lol

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

I say you and I do a hostile takeover of AT&T Wireless, and get that 3G up by years end, game?

lol

Sounds good to me, just have to find a few more investors

Posted by: CatLover

Verizon is already hostile. Standard takeover will do. HAHA

Posted by: BlackRabbit

I'm not sure if anyone has already mentioned it or not, but 3G is now starting to show up in the Treasure Valley area. It covers Boise, Eagle, Meridian, and at least part of Nampa. I suspect Caldwell is covered as well, but I don't make it over there very often. Does anybody have any other experieces in this area?

Posted by: ilvla2

AT&T's Affiliate, Edge Wireless is also turning HSDPA up in SE Idaho (the best part of ID

), people in Idaho Falls and Pocatello are reporting it on Edge, though they haven't officially rolled it out yet. I am anxious for them to turn it up here in NW CA too, they are the GSM carrier where I live (Mendocino County).

Posted by: Boise_Pro

I've Got 3G on my laptop connect card and phone! I went into a store yesterday to check out the new Tilt and asked the sales person about 3G just to confirm. She told me the valley went live yesterday. It's finally here!

Ernesto

Posted by: Loso_718

How about Ocala, FL?? Its in between Gainsville and Orlando (which both have 3g) any news on that??

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Any word on the Atlanta-Columbia corridor (Augusta, Aiken)?

When I got my i607, I was told it would be up relatively soon. Athens got theirs, we need ours now.

Posted by: Dr. John

Looks like we got 3G in Dayton, OH last night. I noticed my Blackjack had been dropping calls & I've had a little trouble holding onto a strong signal for the past few days. Maybe it had to do with turning 3G on.

All is well now, and my phone proudly says "3G" at the top, instead of "E" or "G."

Posted by: mKennetGillman

Quote:

Originally Posted by PPCMD

Rumored 3G in Syracuse NY market early November.

Oh really? I hope we get it over here in Rochester too! I kinda think they'd do Buffalo to Syracuse in one go.

Posted by: clauretano

Quote:

Originally Posted by mKennetGillman

Oh really? I hope we get it over here in Rochester too! I kinda think they'd do Buffalo to Syracuse in one go.

+1 we all have our fingers crossed. The original 'official' date I heard here was first week of June, obviously the company is very poorly managed on a few levels if they can't keep a single deadline.

Posted by: bangbang023

We finally got it my part of Brooklyn (Bensonhurst, Bay Ridge, etc). Really nice to finally be able to browse at the full capabilities of my phone.

Posted by: cornjulio21

Does anyone have an update for Nassau County on Long Island. This was rumored for last spring! Still nothing, though I did notice I had no service Sat morning at all, and thought something might be ready to give.

Posted by: Cloudscout

3G service was turned on temporarily in the Twin Cities area tonight. It was on for around 20 to 30 minutes.

Posted by: Joel954

3G service has been turned on in Minneapolis and St. Paul.

Posted by: tcruiser

Any news, anywhere, on Columbus GA? I am waiting to kick Verizon to the curb.

Posted by: relaxin25

does anyone know when at&t will get off their buts and make a major push for 3g nationwide. If they want people to buy 3g phones, it should already be deployed in that market, or soon to be turned on. Live in Syracuse, NY any idea of when 3g will really be turned on?

Posted by: Skuzz

Flint, Michigan and surrounding areas are just now coming online with 3G!!!!!

Posted by: clauretano

Quote:

Originally Posted by relaxin25

does anyone know when at&t will get off their buts and make a major push for 3g nationwide. If they want people to buy 3g phones, it should already be deployed in that market, or soon to be turned on. Live in Syracuse, NY any idea of when 3g will really be turned on?

I would imagine sometime after Buffalo and Rochester. It's so stupid because the AT&T stores here have been pushing their 3G phones for a full year now.. they show the phones doing all sorts of crazy music and video **** and then you ask them if there is any 3g coverage in the state outside of NYC and you get "no, but it should be within the next month".. and they've been saying it for years.

I'm getting really fed up with it, because they get you into a contract with promise that 3g is going to be here.. and it never comes. I'll probably have moved out of Rochester before it even comes. Meanwhile spring and verizon are cleaning up in this area because of their MUCH better developed networks. oh well, verizon and sprint still have craptastic locked down phones

Posted by: jayuup

Quote:

Originally Posted by relaxin25

im sure ATT could probably set up 3g nationwide in under a year if they wanted to, but at what cost? In my area, the way they explained it to me was they removed a 850 Edge transmitter and replaced it with a 3G 1900 mhz transmitter. Because there is an approx 2 mile difference in coverage distance from tower between the 850 and 1900 mhz towers, that leaves changes in the footprint. Right now they are having issues covering and tweaking the footprint and there are areas that arent getting the same coverage as before the switch on, and do not have 3G coverage at their homes. So the 3G switch only made their coverage worse.

Tackling a nationwide build out by adding transmitters to each tower instead of converting an existing one would more than triple the expense and quadruple the regulatory requirements that they need to overcome on a more condensed timetable.

now i don't doubt you would love to get 3g in every nook and cranny in America, but at what cost?

And based on this forum alone, it looks like a dozen or so markets have come on 3G in the last month. A Dozen markets this past month is significant.

When I first heard that 3G was coming to Hawaii in october, it couldnt get here fast enough. And I sympathize with those individuals who still dont have it, because when its working, it rocks. however I do not know anyone who is willing to sacrifice their current coverage for faster speeds in select towers in their area. And if you are willing to sacrifice coverage for speed, your just plain nuts because one without the other is just plain irresponsible.

Besides, much of the videos and downloads sold on the 3G phones do indeed work on the Edge network. Even slingbox worked on edge.

Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuzz

Flint, Michigan and surrounding areas are just now coming online with 3G!!!!!

Areas like Pontiac, or Bay City ?

Posted by: ilvla2

That would be cool, you could get 3G in your Pontiac in Pontiac

Posted by: formercanuck

I got rid of my Pontiac a couple of years ago, after it past 240,000km (Canadian GrandAm SE Quad 4 / stick shift).

Posted by: wnapier

I'm a resident of Brighton, a suburb of Rochester, NY and my AT&T 8525 just established its first 3G connection here this afternoon. It's been functioning for a few hours.

Test at globequest is showing 837.78 kbps and a 1meg test at dsl reports mobile test showed 517 kbit/sec.

wnapier

Posted by: RogerPodacter

what is globequest? loaded on my phone i didnt see any speed tests. i'm looking for another mobile speed test site besides the dsl site.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerPodacter

what is globequest? loaded on my phone i didnt see any speed tests. i'm looking for another mobile speed test site besides the dsl site.

try www.testmy.net or wap.testmy.net

Posted by: walkguru

waiting on 3g here in okc.

Posted by: RYOBI

Just noticed 3G here in Rochester NY. Wasn't here yesterday.

Posted by: clauretano

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYOBI

Just noticed 3G here in Rochester NY. Wasn't here yesterday.

Actually it was yesterday.. yesterday afternoon/evening it went live.

For me right now though, it's back to edge.. weird

Posted by: wolvorine4424

Will ATT ever support:

WCDMA 2100Mhz and/or 1700Mhz bands???
I want to use my Japanese phones, Tired to have a nice phone for JP and a crappy one for the US...

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolvorine4424

Will ATT ever support:

WCDMA 2100Mhz and/or 1700Mhz bands???
I want to use my Japanese phones, Tired to have a nice phone for JP and a crappy one for the US...

Short answer. No. Long Answer. Not in a million years.

Posted by: joelliot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baldilocks

Short answer. No. Long Answer. Not in a million years.

One the other side of the equation, some tri-band UMTS/HSPDA devices are starting to appear. Someday you might be able to use a Euro/Japan phone in the US in the same way quad-GSM works today.

Posted by: wolvorine4424

Well, that sux.

i guess i have to wait till jan of 08. to get my new jp phone what supports 3g / gsm.

i'm just getting tired of the m1000.

had it to long

Here are my new phones: (as soon as they are available)

http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/...5ics/index.html (3G/GSM)
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/...5itv/index.html (3G)
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/...905i/index.html (3G/GSM)

Out of the 3G/GSM i will only pick one and I will deffinitly get the 3G one.

Edit:

I have a question that i cant get an answer to...

If I have a phone that works in Japan and in the US... like 3G/GSM. now If I use Att SIM/UIM... will the phone see it as 3G even if its on the GSM bands???

Please explain with the most detail if posible.

Posted by: joelliot

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolvorine4424

Well, that sux.

i guess i have to wait till jan of 08. to get my new jp phone what supports 3g / gsm.

i'm just getting tired of the m1000.

had it to long

For 3G in both US as well as Euro/Japan you would need to find a phone with tri-band UMTS. Since you seem to like Japanese phones, a Sony K850 would be an example. These phones generally list UMTS 850/1900/2100. The 850/1900 is needed for US & the 2100 is used in the rest of the word. This new generation of phones will work in all contries.

While we cannot seem to get the same frequencies as the reset of the world @ least people are making phones that work.

Posted by: RYOBI

Quote:

Originally Posted by clauretano

Actually it was yesterday.. yesterday afternoon/evening it went live.

For me right now though, it's back to edge.. weird

Actually, I live in Farmington, about 25 miles from Rochester. 3G here now.

Posted by: wolvorine4424

Please correct me if i'm wrong...

It's not that i'm opsessed with Japanese phones. It's that I travel there about 6 to 10 times a year. I just need one phone that can work in both places. and all features have to work.

Most of the features require 3G network.

So, If I have a phone that works on GSM (US) and WCDMA (JP) frequensies.
and both networks are 3G i will be good. Jp WCDMA is 3G and with ATT the GSM is also 3G...

I think its time to switch to ATT just because its 3G. I currently use T-Mobile and its not 3G (my phone tells me that all the time)

Am I on the correct track, If not. Can anyone with more knowledge in this field explain it to me with more detail.

P.S. If i'm correct, I will be able to use my Ntt Docomo's service here with ATT's towers (hopefully all features will work)

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolvorine4424

Please correct me if i'm wrong...

It's not that i'm opsessed with Japanese phones. It's that I travel there about 6 to 10 times a year. I just need one phone that can work in both places. and all features have to work.

Most of the features require 3G network.

So, If I have a phone that works on GSM (US) and WCDMA (JP) frequensies.
and both networks are 3G i will be good. Jp WCDMA is 3G and with ATT the GSM is also 3G...

I think its time to switch to ATT just because its 3G. I currently use T-Mobile and its not 3G (my phone tells me that all the time)

Am I on the correct track, If not. Can anyone with more knowledge in this field explain it to me with more detail.

P.S. If i'm correct, I will be able to use my Ntt Docomo's service here with ATT's towers (hopefully all features will work)

You are misunderstanding.

The 3G on AT&T is also WCDMA. But it is WCDMA 850/1900. AT&T aslo uses GSM 850/1900 for GRPS/EDGE.

Posted by: RogerPodacter

does japan use wcdma or just cdma? Anyway, as long as the phone you use has those 3 frequencies then it will work in both countries. What sucks is when tmobile rolls out their 3g it will be done new frequencies that are not used anywhere else in world. So it will throw a curveball into things. They will use 1700/2100 but the 2100 is not the same as the euro 2100. So at that point phones will exist that support either the euro 2100, usa att 850/1900, or tmobile 1700/2100. Spectrum shortages or not, i can't beleive this point in tech history we haven't learned to agree on standard bands.

Posted by: zephxiii

yea, that really really sucks that T-mobile has to deploy on different frequencies. i wish the 2100 band was the same as the euro, damnit, would have been sweet.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerPodacter

does japan use wcdma or just cdma? Anyway, as long as the phone you use has those 3 frequencies then it will work in both countries. What sucks is when tmobile rolls out their 3g it will be done new frequencies that are not used anywhere else in world. So it will throw a curveball into things. They will use 1700/2100 but the 2100 is not the same as the euro 2100. So at that point phones will exist that support either the euro 2100, usa att 850/1900, or tmobile 1700/2100. Spectrum shortages or not, i can't beleive this point in tech history we haven't learned to agree on standard bands.

I think the biggest reason the U.S. uses the bands it does (for mobile communication), is because other frequencies were already being used. At least that is what I take from it.

Japan uses CDMA and WCDMA. They really dont have much in the way of GSM.

Now, back on topic. I did notice that I now get a 3G signal just 10 miles from my home now, where before i'd have to drive nearly to Wilmington, DE or almost to Baltimore to get one. Soo--it's getting closer!

Posted by: wolvorine4424

Thank you...

So Its the same, just on different frequency... (Cant wait for the new phone)

I wonder. Need to play with the M1000 and see... Got to borrow my dads Att SIM/UIM to test my theory.

Thank you all again.

Posted by: RogerPodacter

i didnt think there was any UMTS/3G/WCDMA in japan. if that m1000 you said is the kyocera, that looks like it is CDMA2000, which is not the same thing and will not work here i dont think.

Posted by: joelliot

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolvorine4424

There are two kinds of phones that would work in both Japan & the US. The first is a Euro/Japan UMTS 2100 3G phone with quad-band GSM 850/900/1800/1900. This works, but no US 3G.

The ideal phone would be a quad-band GSM 850/900/1800/1900 with tri-band UMTS 850/1900/2100. This would work in both contries & have 3G in both countries. These phones have only recently started to appear.

The requirement in Japan is UMTS 2100. In the US you need GSM 850/1900 for Edge/phone service, or UMTS 850/1900 for 3G.

Posted by: joelliot

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerPodacter

i didnt think there was any UMTS/3G/WCDMA in japan. if that m1000 you said is the kyocera, that looks like it is CDMA2000, which is not the same thing and will not work here i dont think.

http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_jp.shtml

UMTS 2100 only. There is also an oddball UMTS 1700 provider.

Posted by: joelliot

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerPodacter

AT&T bought spectrum in the same auction so it will be very interestining to see what happens to phones. Today we have tri-band UMTS, I supose we will someday have to have quad-band UMTS, 850,1900 US2100, EU2100..

Posted by: bodeh6

NTT DoCoMo and SoftBank in Japan use WCDMA 2100
AU KDDI use CDMA EVDO like Verizon and Sprint

Best phone currently for World Travelers are the SE K850i and Z750i/a which are the only regular phone types to support 3G around the world. No other phones other then PDA phones from HTC for example have the TriBand HSDPA of these phones.

Posted by: wolvorine4424

no, its a motorola m1000...

Posted by: wolvorine4424

I cant edit previous post...

I use Ntt Docomo in Japan and its WCDMA 2100 and some are on 1700...
(i dont have any 1700Mhz phones)
and US is 850/900/1800/1900 this sux...

OK, the phones I'm getting are GSM 900/1800/1900 and WCDMA 2100. and they will work here as long is its a 3G network. it can be on any of the supported bands.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

No 900 in the USA. Oh and the USA's 2100 AWS overlaps your 2100 and 1700 but won't work on either.

Europe and the rest of the world use 900 and 1800 for GSM. 2100 INT (International which is different from USA's 2100 AWS) is for UMTS in Japan and Europe.

Your WCDMA 2100 phone in Japan with GSM 900/1800/1900 and WCDMA 2100 will only work on GSM 1900 in the USA.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolvorine4424

I cant edit previous post...

You still misunderstand though. GSM 1900 is not 3G (nor any other GSM band). WCDMA 1900 is 3G.

Posted by: RogerPodacter

yes, and one more clarification. in japan the 2100 band is the only 3G band over there, hence 900/1800/1900 will not work with 3G, it is only for GSM.

you mentioned 1700 which i dont think is used anywhere in the world, but someone correct me. basically, there are no phones that exist to do what you want on 3G everywhere except an HTC or SE phone.

Posted by: wolvorine4424

Ok, now i think im stupid

If I have a phone that runs on JP 2100band and has the hardware to work here on the GSM 900/1800/1900...

So Even if I'm with Att I will NOT get 3G service here???

Ok, Clarify this for me please... i'm confused.

my phone supports GSM1900 and ATT 3G is also on 1900 are they the same??? Will I have 3G service???

Just please dont tell me It will only work as 3G in Japan?

Here is a link to the phone I'm conserned about:
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/...5ics/index.html

Specs are here:
http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/product/...05ics/spec.html
Look at the bottom, it states 3G and GSM...

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolvorine4424

Ok, now i think im stupid

No, 1900 GSM is not 3G. 1900 WCDMA is TOTALLY different than 1900 GSM. WCDMA is the 3G that you are looking for and AT&T doesn't use 2100 WCDMA. So, you will NOT get 3G in the States.

GSM will only give you GPRS unless the phone is EDGE capable (which is highly unlikely).

Yes, it will ONLY work as 3G in Japan.

Now, we need to get this thread back on topic!!

Posted by: RogerPodacter

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolvorine4424

Ok, now i think im stupid

yeah sorry your plan wont work, you will not get 3G in the states on ATT or any other carrier. sucks i know. blame the FCC and the military i guess...

Posted by: wolvorine4424

I guess i was hoping to much...

as long as it works... even if its not 3G.

Posted by: superceleb

Most of the Carolina's including Charleston, S.C., Jacksonville, N.C., Greenville, S.C., Spartanburg, S.C. and Clemson. S.C should be covered by early 2008.

http://www.huliq.com/40945/at-t-lau...in-fayetteville
http://www.charleston.net/news/2007...oes_speed22020/

Posted by: bikemanj7

South Lake Tahoe now has 3G! YES!

Posted by: myke81

finally, someone gets this thread back on track...... :-)

Posted by: telarium

By January 2008, 204 additional markets will have gone live.

The entire network will be fully 3G (capable) by May 2008. At this point, or shortly before, 3G phones will be the only purchasing option as GSM is phased out of the (primarily) 850. Total phase-out scheduled Q1 2009. LTE trials in San Antonio, TX and New York, NY in Q4 2009 and live in 2010. 34 markets to launch Q3 2010 - with the entire network LTE by Q1 2011. Not exactly firm dates, but pretty close.

Roaming carriers are not expected to migrate within this timeline except for High Plains, LLC (Westlink Communications).

Posted by: ilvla2

Quote:

Originally Posted by telarium

Roaming carriers are not expected to migrate within this timeline except for High Plains, LLC (Westlink Communications).

Somebody goofed on that info, because AT&T Affiliate, Edge Wireless has 3G up here in the Ukiah, CA area (and probably others areas of NorCal as well, like Eureka), as well as in SE Idaho and parts of S OR, and I woud imagine Jackson, WY has been turned on too, if not then soon. Now, it's not official yet, but it will be within the next couple of months.

Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:

Originally Posted by telarium

By January 2008, 204 additional markets will have gone live.

The entire network will be fully 3G (capable) by May 2008. At this point, or shortly before, 3G phones will be the only purchasing option as GSM is phased out of the (primarily) 850. Total phase-out scheduled Q1 2009. LTE trials in San Antonio, TX and New York, NY in Q4 2009 and live in 2010. 34 markets to launch Q3 2010 - with the entire network LTE by Q1 2011. Not exactly firm dates, but pretty close.

Roaming carriers are not expected to migrate within this timeline except for High Plains, LLC (Westlink Communications).

Heh - I don't think that includes all the rural boonies and aquired markets (i.e. Dobson), also, with +2 billion users out there globally, and the fact the there isn't a 3G Blackberry yet, I think they're a little overly optimistic.

Posted by: bodeh6

3G Blackberry better come out in 2008. AT&T needs it to become competitive with Verizon/Sprint.

Hopefully S. Lyon, Wixom in Michigan get 3G soon. (where I live)

Posted by: RogerPodacter

all i can say is that's a pretty aggressive timetable. I bet a million dollars att doesn't come close to meeting that with the fcc goofing around.

Posted by: CocheseUGA

May 2008? One could only dream.

Posted by: telarium

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilvla2

I wasn't clear with that. I was referring to the migration to LTE, not HSPA.

Posted by: telarium

Quote:

Originally Posted by formercanuck

Not at all. The 9000 series Blackberry will feature 3G. And there is a 3G Blackberry out there, the 8707v - granted, with a limited release on the 2100. Not to mention all the CDMA variants.

The transition to HSPA is actually well-entrenched in the New AT&T architechture. The reason is purely financial. Dollars per byte of data - whether circuit or packet switched -- in this case circuit -- go down significantly with HSPA. Plus, it makes sense in terms of spectrum allocation and capacity. I can't go into numbers (because we're still working them) -- but it is far cheaper to go HSPA, migrate customers to that system -- and become mutually beneficial with lower costs and higher voice quality.

Thus, the agressive sounding timeline isn't so agressive. This doesn't mean the legacy GSM network is on the out (pt: and just think, we were talking legacy networks with AMPS and TDMA, and now GSM) . The balance takes place in assessing how many GSM customers we have and how many 3G customers we have -- and which networks, with high levels of 3G penetration, can we alter.

As I mentioned in an earlier post -- the backhaul, even in the 'boonies' is being fiber'd to the max.

Posted by: bodeh6

Coverage Viewer

Well they just updated the coverage viewer. Everybody should check out their areas and see the 3G. According to the map, my house in S. Lyon is now covered in 3G. Just gotta wait till I get my bros A727 to see if it really is here. Last week it wasn't. They probably turned it on with in the last few days.

Posted by: tstray

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodeh6