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Posted by: AFamily

So, today there was another back up in the switch. And whenever the switch gets backed up we get a lot of calls from reps in stores and they usually say something like, "I just did a sim card change and the phone doesn't work, I need you to push it through." The answer is, "no!" because, well, we can't push anything through. But then the rep in the store says, "I called in last week and someone did it."

Well, maybe they did...however, chances are good they didn't do anything but led that rep to believe something was done.

Here's what we get in customer service. You call in and say you did a sim change and it didn't work, one thing we check is the subscriber network history (the switch). If all went well it looks like this:

CHS - CS

If it didn't go well it looks like this:

CHS - IN or CHS - PR or CHS - CE


CS stands for 'Completed Successfully'.
IN stands for Initialized
PR stands for Processing
CE stands for 'Completed with Error'.

CE is the worst. However when the switch is backed up most transactions show IN. The worst part is when a rep does a sim change and it doesn't go through so they do another sime change..and another...and another..and another...so that customer's network history looks like this:

CHS - PR
CHS - IN
CHS - IN
CHS - IN
CHS - IN


and so on and so forth. It's horrible. This only makes the switch longer to clear up. So when we in customer service are asked to push it through there really is nothing we can do. We can't press any buttons we can't transfer to tech, we can't do anything. We all have to wait for it to clear up.

Now, the worst ones are the ones where something previous completed with error. It could be something like a feature change and then everything after that doesn't clear so it's like...

CHS - CE
CHS - IN
CHS - IN
CHS - IN
CHS - IN


Ugh...horrible. And then I'm the bad guy, or the guy who doesn't know what he's doing because I can't fix it. I'm sorry but we don't have any access to fix that. So just kindly tell the customer 24-48 hours cause...that's how long it can take..sometimes. Of course there's other times where it cleaned up within five minutes but those are rare days.

Anyway, not sure why I'm posting this. I think I'm just tired of hearing the phrase "push it through". Seriously, I cringe when I hear that phrase. Also, it might help you save yourself from burning some sim cards. Do one sim change, if it doesn't work, call in. I know it's sometimes painful to call in and wait for us but most of the times you don't have to do another change...

Take care, folks.



Posted by: ivwshane

Thanks for the info.

I really wish cingular would communicate this kind of stuff to it's reps as well as how other departments work and what those departments are and are not capable of.

As a rep I also wish I had access to this kind of customer information, that way I would know right away what's going on.



Posted by: Cingular13

I totally agree - If this information was provided to all agents and reps, it would save everyone a lot of time. It IS pointless to do an additonal sim card change if the phone is not working because this will only complicate matters.

BTW - whenever c.s. tells me a phone will work in 24-36 hours (after a new activation or upgrade) it NEVER works. If the switch is behind for a an hour or two maybe, but if it does not work in two hours its not going to work without some intervention.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ivwshane
Thanks for the info.

I really wish cingular would communicate this kind of stuff to it's reps as well as how other departments work and what those departments are and are not capable of.

As a rep I also wish I had access to this kind of customer information, that way I would know right away what's going on.




Posted by: anubis9278

wait, wait, wait

seriously you guys at COR didn't know how the "switch" works?

must be an indirect channel thing. they make sure indirects dont call or keep changing sims when the switch is for a better word f.u.



Posted by: tkdlove

thanks for this info... hell as an RDM i had a hard time figuring this out... now it all makes since.



Posted by: ivwshane

Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis9278
wait, wait, wait

seriously you guys at COR didn't know how the "switch" works?

must be an indirect channel thing. they make sure indirects dont call or keep changing sims when the switch is for a better word f.u.



We know how it works, we just don't have access to why it's not working currently.



Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivwshane
We know how it works, we just don't have access to why it's not working currently.


oh, i misunderstood. as too why its not working currently...now thats a good question. cingy will never send out emails letting you know something is not working right now.



Posted by: Lambert

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivwshane
Thanks for the info.

I really wish cingular would communicate this kind of stuff to it's reps as well as how other departments work and what those departments are and are not capable of.

As a rep I also wish I had access to this kind of customer information, that way I would know right away what's going on.


COR reps do through a program called OPUS. Maybe agents have something similar?



Posted by: ivwshane

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambert
COR reps do through a program called OPUS. Maybe agents have something similar?


I'm a cor rep, where in opus is this information found?






Maybe I really do need to go to opus training



Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivwshane
I'm a cor rep, where in opus is this information found?






Maybe I really do need to go to opus training



haha...me too, where can you find out in OPUS.



Posted by: cingtony

For those in care markets (probably telegence too) if there is a switch error it will sit there until someone fixes it. There is no magic wand but there is a switchmaster that will fix them and tech support can sometimes fix them as well . If the switch is delayed then yes adding more transactions is going to clog it more like a traffic jam.

Tech can also resend something to the switch if the request is stuck and sometimes it will "push it through" .



Posted by: Ink Noise

Quit hogging the magic button and lying about its existence...

But seriously, thanks for telling me this; I simply wish as an indirect, agent support would actually explain this to people who call rather than leaving some ambiguity about whether or not they can actually do something about it.



Posted by: ADock

I love it in Tech when I get calls from reps and agents going "Yeah, its taking forever for this activation/feature change, can you push it through". And while they wasted their time calling in, it completed on its own.

Then im like, "Ok, good to go, looks like it completed". "OH YOU ARE AWSOME, THANKS"

I might be part of the problem though, come to think about it, with the "Push it through" thing..........



Posted by: razedisbar

Quote:
Originally Posted by ADock
I love it in Tech when I get calls from reps and agents going "Yeah, its taking forever for this activation/feature change, can you push it through". And while they wasted their time calling in, it completed on its own.

Then im like, "Ok, good to go, looks like it completed". "OH YOU ARE AWSOME, THANKS"

I might be part of the problem though, come to think about it, with the "Push it through" thing..........







Posted by: MTN DRMZ

Question for all those care reps out there...

So the other day I had a customer come in and switch from post-paid to pre-paid. Well, I activated the pre-paid with a new sim and when I turned the phone on, it said 'SIM registration failed'. Well, me being the dumb COR rep that I am and not knowing any better I went through 3 more sim cards... OPUS never once said there was an error, it went through perfectly until I turned the phone on. Every time it came with that error.

So I called care. The rep that I talked to asked me to power cycle the phone a couple of times and after that did not work, she said that she would push it through to the phone again. Whatever she did worked because the next time I power cycled the phone it worked perfectly.

What did she do that time that made it go through? Was that a switch problem, or something else?

I wish I had a magic button.



Posted by: cingtd

Quote:
Originally Posted by MTN DRMZ
I wish I had a magic button.

Just buy an "Easy Button" from staples and fill in your own caption.



Posted by: AFamily

Quote:
Originally Posted by MTN DRMZ
Question for all those care reps out there...

So the other day I had a customer come in and switch from post-paid to pre-paid. Well, I activated the pre-paid with a new sim and when I turned the phone on, it said 'SIM registration failed'. Well, me being the dumb COR rep that I am and not knowing any better I went through 3 more sim cards... OPUS never once said there was an error, it went through perfectly until I turned the phone on. Every time it came with that error.

So I called care. The rep that I talked to asked me to power cycle the phone a couple of times and after that did not work, she said that she would push it through to the phone again. Whatever she did worked because the next time I power cycled the phone it worked perfectly.

What did she do that time that made it go through? Was that a switch problem, or something else?

I wish I had a magic button.


Haha, what was that rep's name? She's probably the one who started the whole "push it through" craze! I can think of a few things she might have done, actually I can pretty much say that none of them changed anything.

1) Resending OTA..ota is the first message they get when the sim card is first registered. A lot of reps think that resending this will make the customer's phone connect somehow when mostly all it actually does is send them the '1-key' progamming on their phone for VM. :-/ It still doesn't stop them from doing it, hehe.

2) Resending IRDB...same with the OTA a lot of reps think this will solve the problem but it doesn't really. All this does is send a roaming profile/update a file on their sim card that pretty much tells them what set of towers to connect to and in which order when they turn on their phone.

3) Send a push...there's a program we have where you can put in their # and click on 'Send push'. All this does is send them an IRDB (see #2).

My guess is she chose option 3 because it is the most fun Honestly, though, she probably didn't do anything. Once that sim change has been processed it's all autopilot from there...she might have been watching the switch and once she saw that it processed had you power cycle...

Or maybe she does have an easy button! I'm jealous...



Posted by: MTN DRMZ

Haha. Thanks for the info. I think I am going to go to Staples now and buy an easy button to put on my desk. I will let you know if it helps!



Posted by: ADock

Quote:
Originally Posted by AFamily
Haha, what was that rep's name? She's probably the one who started the whole "push it through" craze! I can think of a few things she might have done, actually I can pretty much say that none of them changed anything.

1) Resending OTA..ota is the first message they get when the sim card is first registered. A lot of reps think that resending this will make the customer's phone connect somehow when mostly all it actually does is send them the '1-key' progamming on their phone for VM. :-/ It still doesn't stop them from doing it, hehe.

2) Resending IRDB...same with the OTA a lot of reps think this will solve the problem but it doesn't really. All this does is send a roaming profile/update a file on their sim card that pretty much tells them what set of towers to connect to and in which order when they turn on their phone.

3) Send a push...there's a program we have where you can put in their # and click on 'Send push'. All this does is send them an IRDB (see #2).

My guess is she chose option 3 because it is the most fun Honestly, though, she probably didn't do anything. Once that sim change has been processed it's all autopilot from there...she might have been watching the switch and once she saw that it processed had you power cycle...

Or maybe she does have an easy button! I'm jealous...




Since there was 3 sim changes, there was probably an error in the sim activation. Even though OPUS showed no error it may have shown up in Telegence in the Sub Net History. They probably corrected the error to push it through or sent the error to the error handlers to have them fix it...sometimes we just say "push it through" when it is really, "Pick it up, brush it off, and send it on its way". Its just easier to say it that way because it custs down on the handle time



Posted by: SoCal91302

Quote:
Originally Posted by AFamily
Haha, what was that rep's name? She's probably the one who started the whole "push it through" craze! I can think of a few things she might have done, actually I can pretty much say that none of them changed anything.

1) Resending OTA..ota is the first message they get when the sim card is first registered. A lot of reps think that resending this will make the customer's phone connect somehow when mostly all it actually does is send them the '1-key' progamming on their phone for VM. :-/ It still doesn't stop them from doing it, hehe.

2) Resending IRDB...same with the OTA a lot of reps think this will solve the problem but it doesn't really. All this does is send a roaming profile/update a file on their sim card that pretty much tells them what set of towers to connect to and in which order when they turn on their phone.

3) Send a push...there's a program we have where you can put in their # and click on 'Send push'. All this does is send them an IRDB (see #2).

My guess is she chose option 3 because it is the most fun Honestly, though, she probably didn't do anything. Once that sim change has been processed it's all autopilot from there...she might have been watching the switch and once she saw that it processed had you power cycle...

Or maybe she does have an easy button! I'm jealous...


What programs are used to do the things mentioned above?



Posted by: SoCal91302

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivwshane
I'm a cor rep, where in opus is this information found?






Maybe I really do need to go to opus training


Once in the account, there is a link that says "network status". You can train yourself in learning services. That is how I learned Telegence, OPUS was pretty straight forward.



Posted by: ivwshane

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCal91302
Once in the account, there is a link that says "network status". You can train yourself in learning services. That is how I learned Telegence, OPUS was pretty straight forward.



Yeah I've found that link before but without knowing what the abbreviations mean it was pointless, now that I know what they mean



Posted by: ivwshane

Can you explain what the different trans types mean?

rst
sus
ccd
bsc





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