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Bluejacking on V3C? Verizon
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Posted by: robvs

Is bluejacking possible on verizon's v3c? I have the older firmware so obex transfers work. How do I go about Bluejacking? Thanks.

Posted by: CoRupT

You do a search, Send a Contact with a message and bluetooth it over to someone

Posted by: robvs

as the title states, your reply makes no sense. do i need to define bluejacking? it's when you send a "text message" to someone nearby without knowing their phone number or creating a partnership via bluetooth- though the message does get sent via bluetooth.

i hate to sound critical of your response, but not only does it not answer my question, it doesn't logistically make any sense.

Posted by: BigDaddy5

His reply makes no sense because you don't know what you're talking about

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So, we've got past the boring part. Now, using a phone with Bluetooth, you can create a phonebook contact and write a message, eg. 'Hello, you've been bluejacked', in the 'Name' field. Then you can search for other phones with Bluetooth and send that phonebook contact to them. On their phone, a message will popup saying "'Hello, you've been bluejacked' has just been received by Bluetooth" or something along those lines. For most 'victims' they will have no idea as to how the message appeared on their phone. So, personalised messages like 'I like your pink top' and the startled expressions that result is where the fun really starts.

http://www.bluejackq.com/what-is-bluejacking.shtml

Do what he said, and you will bluejack someone.

Posted by: scooterphish

Verizon disables the OBEX (OBject EXchange).
You can thank them for killing any bluejacking fun you might have had.

Posted by: robvs

okay, thanks, so it took three of you to answer my question.

i don't know if it could have been more clear as to the fact that I understand what bluejacking is...i just didn't know how to go about it on the v3c from verizon.

bigdaddy, thanks for redefining bluejacking but not answering my question (as it was phone specific)

Posted by: hytran

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Originally Posted by robvs

bigdaddy, thanks for redefining bluejacking but not answering my question (as it was phone specific)

I think you both have a hand in the misinformation here.

bigdaddy probably assumed (as lots of folks around here do) that a V3 is a V3 is a V3. They don't realize that CDMA phones aren't the same as GSM, etc, etc.

Your part in this is that you should've posted this in the CDMA phones subtopic, not here

Posted by: BigDaddy5

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Originally Posted by hytran

bigdaddy probably assumed (as lots of folks around here do) that a V3 is a V3 is a V3. They don't realize that CDMA phones aren't the same as GSM, etc, etc.

No, actually I didn't. I assumed that the OP knew what he was talking about when he said that OBEX was enabled.

If OBEX is indeed enabled, then he can bluejack quite easily, but he was misinformed about how.

It's not some magical text message or pairing up...you simply send a phonebook entry, like the first response said.

But as scooterphish said, apparently the OP didn't know what he was talking about and OBEX isn't enabled. So either way, the OP didn't know what he was talking about in either case, and it doesn't matter.

Posted by: robvs

i AM able to bluetooth ringers/images to and from my phone and pc. i guess this isn't obex?

Posted by: scooterphish

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Originally Posted by robvs

i AM able to bluetooth ringers/images to and from my phone and pc. i guess this isn't obex?

OBEX is OBject EXchange - PIM, *.vcf files (contacts, etc) - it is different than file transfer under the bluetooth specification.
They were already sued once for doing this on the V710.
google for verizon and bluetooth, you'll come up with a lot of articles..

Posted by: dilligaf1219

You all seem a bit confused. To blue jack your phone needs to support OPP not OBEX and the Verizon V3c does not but the alltel does

Posted by: scooterphish

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1219

You all seem a bit confused. To blue jack your phone needs to support OPP not OBEX and the Verizon V3c does not but the alltel does

Okay, let's get the final word from bluetooth.com:

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Object Exchange (OBEX)
OBEX is a transfer protocol that defines data objects and a communication protocol two devices can use to exchange those objects. OBEX is designed to enable devices supporting infrared communication to exchange a wide variety of data and commands in a resource-sensitive standardized fashion. OBEX uses a client-server model and is independent of the transport mechanism and transport API. A Bluetooth enabled device wanting to set up an OBEX communication session with another device is considered to be the client device. The OBEX protocol also defines a folder-listing object, which is used to browse the contents of folders on remote device. RFCOMM is used as the main transport layer for OBEX.

OBEX enables applications to work over the Bluetooth technology protocol stack as well as the IrDA stack. For Bluetooth enabled devices, only connection-oriented OBEX is supported. Three application profiles have been developed using OBEX which include SYNC, FTP and OPP.

Object Push Profile (OPP)
OPP defines the roles of push server and push client. These roles are analogous to and must interoperate with the server and client device roles that GOEP defines. It is called push because the transfers are always instigated by the sender (client), not the receiver (server). OPP focuses on a narrow range of object formats to maximize interoperability. The most common acceptable format is the vCard. OPP may also be used for sending objects such as pictures or appointment details.

If I understand it correctly, vcards are sent using OPP, which is a part of OBEX.

Regardless (I think we're starting to beat the horse to death here), Verizon cripples bluetooth. Gotta love 'em.

Posted by: robvs

What if I flash the phone with the alltel software? (Again, I'm talking about the V3c from Verizon). Will this OPP or OBEX work?

Posted by: Mark_Venture

The Verizon V3C with .02 firmware, or the LEAKED .04P firmare only supports
Bluetooth OBEX File Transfers... It does NOT support Object Push, Sync, or other "forms" of OBEX.

The Alltel firmware does support OBEX File Transfers as well as Object Push (OPP)...

Posted by: robvs

Mark, thank you for confirming that I am not an idiot, and when I said that my V3C does support Obex transfers I was not incorrect.

So....the OP (me) does know what he's talking about, BigDaddy.

Posted by: CoRupT

Well all you have to do is create a contact with a message you would like to send to the " potential bluejacker" person. Then you would want to copy the contact and do it by clicking bluetooth. After finding the bluetooth ID you send the contact and thats bluejacking

Posted by: robvs

Can we kill this thread?

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by CoRupT

Well all you have to do is create a contact with a message you would like to send to the " potential bluejacker" person. Then you would want to copy the contact and do it by clicking bluetooth. After finding the bluetooth ID you send the contact and thats bluejacking

But the point is... on the Verizon V3C... you can NOT PUSH a contact or anything from the phone to another phone... Verizon's bluetooth implimentation does NOT support this...

An important part of the quote from scooterphish about Object Exchange (OBEX)

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Three application profiles have been developed using OBEX which include SYNC, FTP and OPP.

Here is where the problem comes in... The bluetooth support of the Verizon V3C with .02 firmware, or LEAKED .04P firmware is limited to the ONE profile...

from -> http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Learn/Glossary/

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File Transfer Profile (FTP)
FTP defines how folders and files on a server device can be browsed by a client device. Once a file or location is found by the client, a file can be pulled from the server to the client, or pushed from the client to the server using GOEP.

Generic Object Exchange Profile (GOEP)
GOEP is used to transfer an object from one device to another. The object may be any object such as a picture, document, business card, etc. The profile defines two roles, a server that provides the location form which an object is pulled or pushed, as well as a client that initiates the action. GOEP provides a generic blueprint for other profiles using the OBEX protocol.

Basically, this allows OTHER Bluetooth Devices (like a PC or PDA) to Browse the FILES on the V3C, and even copy files with the phone... (i.e. from PC to phone, or phone to PC)... BUT the other device must initiate the FILE transfer. i.e. the PC or PDA must establish the connection, retrieve the file/folder list of items on the phone, and start the transfers...

The Verizon V3C can NOT initiate the sending or receiving of the file being tranfered via the Bluetooth OBEX File Transfer profile.

Now, if Verizon also supported....
from -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueto...etooth_profiles

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Object Push Profile (OPP)
A basic profile for sending "objects" such as pictures, virtual business cards, or appointment details. It is called push because the transfers are always instigated by the sender (client), not the receiver (server).

Then the VZW V3C could send the contact, file, etc... to another bluetooth device...

But the Verizon V3C does not support this...

Now, while I don't completely understand Bluetjacking... But it would appear from this disucssion that OPP is needed, so that you could send a message, contact, etc.. from your phone, to the phone you want to "bluejack" and since the Verizon V3C doesn't have the necessary Bluetooth Profiles, it CAN'T.

So, this thread is done. Right?

NOTE: The Verizon V3C must have firmware GATW_01.0F.02, or have been flashed AT HOME with the Leaked GATW_01.0F.04 to support Bluetooth OBEX File Transfer profile. Verizon's GATW_01.0F.03 or store flashed GATW_01.0F.04 do NOT support this profile!!

The Alltel V3C firmware DOES support Bluetooth OBEX File Transfers, and Object Push (OPP).... and if you flash the Verizon V3C with Alltel's V3C firmware, your phone WILL support both also... However, you will have work trying to get the Verizon specific features (web, messaging, get-it-now, vcast, etc..) working again.

Posted by: robvs

Almost done. I first just wanted to say that I'm not some weirdo that wanted to send messages that say, "hey baby, nice pink top." It's for a magic trick where you send the selected card to the individual during a trick. I just wanted to make that clear.

Also, I didn't know there was a .04p leaked firmware. Cool. I'm gonna have to look around for it. Thanks.

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by robvs

Also, I didn't know there was a .04p leaked firmware. Cool. I'm gonna have to look around for it. Thanks.

The Leaked .04 firmware (available at http://ryfiles.com/flash or http://www.humpa.com/vzw ) is exactly the same as the Store Flashed version of .04 EXCEPT the LEAKED .04 will give you BT OBEX FT's even if you had .03 on your phone!!! the S/W version as listed via the phone's menu is EXACTLY the same as the store flashed version, and there is no way to tell which you have..

Btw, make sure you check out the info on the .04 firmware and any bugs before you flash...

Hit http://mark.cdmaforums.com when you get there, click the link for V3C INFO... you see firmware info