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Posted by: maxiderm

i know this is gonna sound stupid, but i have been soooo stressed out for the past couple days i dont know what to do anymore. i have helped a lot of people in a lot of these forums, but i feel its time that i myself need some help...

heres a few facts about me. i am 17, and i will be 18 in 5 months. but i am much different than your normal "kid" or "teenager". i have been in college since i was 16 and i am halfway done with it. i go to summer semesters, and i do 15 units per semester (opposed to the normal 12) so i can graduate with my Assosiates degree in Real Estate with certificates in Communication and Business Communication by the time i am 18. i then am planning on getting my Real estate license and after 2 years of that, getting my Brokers license to start my own Real Estate company. right now, i am an Administrative Assistant for a Real Estate/Mortgage company, and i work all day tuesday and thursdays (and sometimes weekends) and go to school all day monday and wednesdays.

besides that i am very religious. i am one of Jehovahs Witnesses and i go to meetings (our term for church) twice a week and i usually go out door to door an average of 4-8 hours a week on Saturday mornings. i dont get a lot of extra time in my life with college, 35-45 hours of work, and regular religious based activities. anyway, this is my problem:

I am deeply in love with someone. shes pretty, smart, funny, and she puts up with my busy schedule even if she is only able to see me at our religious meetings (shes also one of Jehovahs Witnesses) and lately it seems to be more of the case because my parents will absolutely NOT let me see her. i get invited to go out to pizza with my friends from my congregation (again, a term for our church) and they will absolutley not let me go merely because she is going to be there. i get to see her every once in a great while now, and it is starting to emotionally drag me down and figuratively crush me from the inside. i did get to go to the movies with my two friends a week ago and i had her join us but then one of my friends couldnt make it so i just took one of my guy friends and her. when i got home they had called my friend and he said he was at home so i got busted and they assume that i went with her and lied to them about being with my two guy friends (which is semi-true, but not quite since the original plan was or both of them to go). so now they dont trust me at all... i havent left the house for 2 weeks, in fact im scared to even ask because they will lecture me for hours on how they know everything and i know nothing becuase im a child. they treat me like a child... the only reason i can talk to her is because i pay for my damn phone! i respect them in every other way. they want me to go to college and try hard i do that. they want me to get a job i do that. hell, they want me to do lots of things and i truely and honest heartedly do EVERYTHING they tell me to (ive gone through bad times, ive made mistakes in the past like everyone else of course). but this one thing i just cant get myself to do what they tell me because not only does it go against my better judgement, but i feel.

1. i am ready to date her, im in college, i work, and i am very mature for my age.
2. i love her very much, which is something my parents cant see since i am "too young" according to them.

older people tend to disagree because of the their older style of thinking. they respect senority too much. this is a new day and age, full of young urban proffesionals. when my grandpa owned his buisness he told me he never even thought twice about hiring someone younger than 30. now most of the successful people in this buisness (real estate) are in their 20s. people have to realize this.

anyway sorry for taking up so much bandwidth space, i just have a lot going on and my parents not "approving" of me being able to even go out with my friends if she will be there is just so discouraging. it makes me not want to do anything with my life but sit here in misery. any help/ideas/comments will help...

Posted by: NineToez

**** her... **** her real good.

Posted by: Big Calhoun

You'll be 18 in a few months and I'm assuming she will be also. If this is the case, in a few months, who cares what anyone will think. Be your own man, man.

Once you get that resolved, take Toez's advice next.

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

so basically your parents dont like her cause she is a Jehovahs Witnesses? or is there any other reasons?.. i know you like her.. but i dono if you can say you love her unless you really really do...

well like you said you are more mature than your age. Ur parents know you are, but still treating you as a 17 year old because they think whats best. It might not be, but they think it is, and hope you have a great future. Which so far you are starting on a good path.

I really cant give much more advise in that until you really tell us why they dont like her? it it just cause of her religion?

Posted by: experiment626

In 5 months you're going to have to make some serious decisions. But you already know what you'll have to do.When the time comes just make sure your parents know you love them for everything inspite of this. Always try to think before you speak.

Posted by: Aurora

You're young dude...welcome to the real world.

With that said, I'd say that BigCal was right...you're almost 18, then you can do as you wish. Someone who is half way done in college can likely make his or her mind up as to whom to date and for what reasons.

btw, don't stress yourself out man. You have a busy schedule, but you only live once. Good luck.

Posted by: MO3iusONE

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Originally Posted by NineToez

**** her... **** her real good.

LOl that actually made me laugh out loud lol..good one.

Posted by: maxiderm

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Originally Posted by WoNGsTeR

so basically your parents dont like her cause she is a Jehovahs Witnesses? or is there any other reasons?.. i know you like her.. but i dono if you can say you love her unless you really really do...

well like you said you are more mature than your age. Ur parents know you are, but still treating you as a 17 year old because they think whats best. It might not be, but they think it is, and hope you have a great future. Which so far you are starting on a good path.

I really cant give much more advise in that until you really tell us why they dont like her? it it just cause of her religion?

no, we are both Jehovahs Witnesses. i am 17 and shes gonna be 20 in a couple months we have been dating for over a year, and yes i am truely in love. my parents tell me that they have nothing against her. they just tell me im not ready for a serious relationship yet, and that the worst thing i could do with my life is have a serious relationship at my age. my mom even said today that i have done some stupid things (hasnt everyone? sure i got caught smokin weed a few times and i came home late a couple times, but thats all in the past). in fact they told me i probably wont be ready to date when im 18 either, and i am not allowed to date until im "ready to get married". they say im throwing my life away by being in a serious relationship. thats why im mad, because they WONT let me out of the house any more... for ANYTHING! i got to go to a Compusa sale last week so they made me bring my younger sister and i had her meet me there just so i can see her for a little bit and i shopped around and spent $1000 on a laptop, a bluetooth headset, a new mouse, and a carrying case for the laptop. anyway she ended up telling my parents that i saw her there and i have been unable to even think about leaving my house since...

Posted by: JenJen

You are obviously very mature for your age and I wonder why your parents can't see this. Or perhaps they can see that you are well on your way to the path of success, and don't want you to get involved with a girl who could possibly distract you or derail you. I think you should have a sit-down with them and explain that you have clear goals set out for your future and you don't intend to let your relationship with her compromise those goals.

Posted by: maxiderm

^when you have parents that are both buisnessmen er umm... and buisnesswomen... thats not an option. their way is non negociable. they are worried im gonna rebel against them too, but hell, what am i supossed to do, ive tried everything else. now i know why a lot of kids are rebelious, probably because their parents are strict and give them mixed signals. if i could negociate with them, then we both would be happy... but sadly that is not the case here...

Posted by: Lawson1024

Then it comes down to what is more important; obeying your parents (misguided) wishes, or being with the woman you love.

Unfortunately it's a decision only you can make

Posted by: Big Calhoun

Wow, that's kinda rough.

Personally, I think your parents are looking out for your best interests and trying to help you live the fullest life posible. You're young and obviously you're going places. I'd be willing to bet that they want you to use your gift to the fullest and have as many experiences in life as you can. Marriage is a big step and not that you're "locked down", but you pick up a lot of responsibilities that you have to manage and consider. You'll no longer be living your life, for you; you end up living a shared life and will have to consider the feelings of that person, and impacts of your decisions of this now shared life. It ain't easy.

Maybe it don't feel right, but you have to look at the look at the bigger picture. And if you think it's truly something you want to do, then you have to be a man and take your stand.

Don't go shootin nobody or nothin. I ain't trying to watch ya on Dr. Phil or something.

Posted by: sunny75

Ok, not gonna lie, but you may think you're ready for a real relationship, but I'm pretty sure you're not. I started college when I was 16 too, and got into a serious relationship pretty fast...well a relationship w/ a lot of complications and at the time thought I knew exactly what I was doing and was really mature etc. Hahahaha....yeah, looking back, I realize I was pretty naive and definitely was not where I thought I was. I'm sure the b/f would agree. Granted we're still together but the point is that you have to do a lot of growing up before you're really ready to start as serious of a relationship as you're thinking of. If you're gonna date for fun, then great, but don't just jump in with both feet.

Posted by: boston_errol

Do you parents pay for your stuff? Do you live with them? Is rent cheap in your area? Would you girlfriend be able to move in with you to help with rent? Can you pay for food, laundry, furniture, etc?

Living > Convenient Love

Posted by: huck-guai

options:
1. move into the dorm and then do as ninetoez suggests
2. move out somewhere else and do as ninetoez suggests
3. parents could be right....this is what your first crush on a girl? It might seem like love or that she just makes you realize that there are other things to appreciate in life and you love that part of her
4. go out with your friends and "casually" bump into her her then do as ninetoez suggests
5. make a contract with your parents that if you continue doing well in school and others that you are allowed to date her and if anything suffers then you stop seeing her (that's what you tell them but you just sneak around, lol)
6. explain to your parents her goals and aspirations and once they realize that she is also level headed then they might realize that she might be a good fit for you

either way, do as ninetoez suggests

Posted by: Woogie650

I did a program called running start where I do college classes at the local community college back in high school. I suppose i can say that I've been in your shoes before.

Regarding the 18 year old freedom bit - I happen to disagree. Just because you're 18 and a full grown adult by law, doesn't make you a free man. The mentality of "I'm 18 i can do whatever the hell i so please, so eff off, mom and dad" is pretty bad, in my opinion. They are your parents so you gotta respect them no matter what they say. My parents said a lot of things that i disagreed with and did somethings that i did not like, but nonetheless, they are my parents and I love them. From a Christian standpoint, scriptures tell us to love and respect our parents.

As for you being in love - we all want to think that we are in love and we all want to believe that we have found "the one" when we've met a pretty cool gal. You are young. I guarentee that you will regret locking yourself down to this one chick at such a young age. I thought i was in love in high school as well. Hell, i even followed this chick to a college that had nothing to offer me vocationally. I courted her all through high school and i just KNEW that we were in love. Boy was I wrong.

People change. Our interests change. What you want today, might not be want you want a decade later. Hell, even a month later! After high school, you'll probably be some badass real estate agent and a guru in real estate law, but you'll be missing out on some true living. Go to college. I mean an actual university, in a big city too. You'll meet all kinds of cool people. You'll learn SO MUCH about yourself during your college years away from home. You'll end up going out with a buncha different girls. On top of that, your parents have to learn to let go as well. Trust me, they will. They'll learn that they've got to let you walk your own path, just as their parents let them.

Sorry for the long winded message, but you remind me a lot of myself.

EDIT: Remind your parents that they've raised you to be a proper young man who has got a level head on his shoulders. Judging from your academic activities as well as your involvement with your congregation, you DO have a pretty level head. Ask that they trust you in exploring life for yourself. Let them tha tthey've done a hell of a job raising you thus far, but you're at the age and the phase in life where you need to pave your own path and lay your own tracks.

Posted by: bronco

i went through the same thing, but on a worse scale. when i was younger, i to was 15 getting my degree, parents did not even let me see my friends, straight to school, straight back, thats it. if i ever said i wanted to stay out a bit later, theyd come pick me up and embarress me. no girls, no tlaking on the phone, nothing. but like big calhoun said. get your degree, shove it in your parents face and get the **** out of there. thats what i did and i got as much freedom as i want now.

Posted by: wizard8873

didnt read everything becasue im tired and my ADD kinda kicked in but i say this. one, you're really young and i understand that you want to get somewhere in life but just relax a bit and have fun. you only live once and no matter how rich and succesful you get later in life, you can never make up for what you missed in your childhood.

two, as for the girl, if it was me i would do what i wanted to regardless of what my parents told me. i can see that they might not let you date her because she is older then you and that, judging by what i read, are very religious. not dating until you feel youre ready to get married is the dumbest thing ive heard because you date to find the person you want to marry and find out who they are and who you are through all the people you date.

if you can afford to live on your own, move out. like i said, if it was me i would just not give a **** what my parents told me and do what i wanted to. your parents cant walk you through life, you have to learn from your own mistakes even if that means dating the worng person and making stupid choices in life.

as for being in love, youre still young and while i wish the best, even if it doesnt work or you really wont be able to see her from now on, there will be other girls out there. dont worry what your parents say, they may know a lot when it comes to some things but not everything. just follow what you feel is right and do that. if you do everything just to please your parents, youll end up hating yourself later in life for the choices you did. either way, good luck with the situation. hope it works out for the best

Posted by: brownmin

Looks like your set in life man! I think you should go for it and still see her, youve worked hard, why cant you enjoy yourself and have a life...its your life not your parents...you live it dont let them liveit for you

Posted by: DP102288

I agree on trying to reason with them if you can. If not, have her see you at college. Tell her to stop in and see you when you both won't be caught. But don't pull NineToez idea in the college!

Posted by: Chillin

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Originally Posted by Woogie650

scriptures tell us to love and respect our parents.

Respecting and Obeying are not the same thing.

Posted by: Chillin

If both your parents are business people then they understand negotiation, they also understand how to take as much as they can get away with.

You allow them to get away with running your life. As long as you allow it they will continue to do it.

Be a man, stand your ground, and negotiate with them.

Posted by: Chillin

When I was young my mom was very strict with me. One time when I was 15 I was at a friends house and somehow she found out where I was and called me there. She demanded I come home. I refused. She told me to come home now or to not bother coming home at all. I told her fine I won't. I have never been back since.

My point is my mom was strict with me because she was sure she knew what was best for me, however all she accomplished was to drive me away.

Remind your parents that if they don't give a little they may end up driving you away as well.

Posted by: Uncle Bill

Wait, so you're telling me you simply started your life then and there without any extra clothes and little, if no money at all? I find that incredibly difficult to believe.

Posted by: maxiderm

thanks for all the replies everybody, i appreciate everyones concern.

Wizard: its not her or her age, im not allowed to date at all.

Chillin: it says "obey your father and mother in union with the lord", and so it DOES say to obey them as long as it is for the right reasons (ie, if they tell you to jump off a cliff or burn a bible, dont do it!)... and i know what you mean by them being strict its driving me away, but parents never seem to grasp that fact.

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

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Originally Posted by maxiderm

thanks for all the replies everybody, i appreciate everyones concern.

Wizard: its not her or her age, im not allowed to date at all.

Chillin: it says "obey your father and mother in union with the lord", and so it DOES say to obey them as long as it is for the right reasons (ie, if they tell you to jump off a cliff or burn a bible, dont do it!)... and i know what you mean by them being strict its driving me away, but parents never seem to grasp that fact.

they do after when its too late... you seem to be a mature child.. and their parents are trying to do whats best for them, and followin the strict rules they were taught by their parents.

I assume your parents turned alright thats why they are trying to make you follow those rules they did when they were your age.

you will be 18 soon, and like some of the poster if you dont go for this girl you might regret it.

Cant tell you what you have to do, but heres one thing to help you make your decision.. Think about whats best for you and your future. not what your parents think or if you think you love this girl.

this girl could be the one, or it could be just another girl. of many girls you will be macking when you become a big shot real estate rep...

If this girl really likes you she will be willing to wait for you as well.

thats my 2 cents.

Posted by: Chillin

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Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

Wait, so you're telling me you simply started your life then and there without any extra clothes and little, if no money at all? I find that incredibly difficult to believe.

Why is that difficult to believe?

It is not hard to get by with absolutely nothing if you are smart, determined and self sufficient.

I never went back home, and I don't regret it for a second.

...however I did live on the streets for a while and I ended up spending some time in jail. But it all worked out for the best in the long run (as things always do for me)

Posted by: slickNsxy

to keep this short.

make a decision and stick with it. Dont let your folks or anyone else make this decision or any decision for you.

and ultimately do what ninetoez said

Posted by: NineToez

Did ya listen to me and hit it yet?

Posted by: Rcadden

Having been engaged and looking ahead at that life, and all my friends around me now getting married, and getting a second chance at single life, and enjoying what I have now, man you got SO much time, and the best times yet to come. Don't grow up too fast, you won't have a childhood to look back on. And that's possibly the greatest tragedy ever. The greatest words ever spoken to me were, "Live life to tell great stories."

I'd love to get married, but I won't until I find a woman with whom I have as much fun as I have single.

Also, dude, (and I say this from experience) if the most important people in your life don't approve of someone you want to date, then it's probably better to not. They're not out to get you, they're the people who love you the most, despite knowing all your "dirty laundry." If I was engaged to a girl and my friends came to me in all seriousness and said, "dude, we just don't think she's right." I'd drop her like a bad habit. Not for the bro's before hoes bs., but because I know they wouldn't do that unless they really felt like it was the best.

Take that for what it is. Just remember, live life to tell great stories, and ALWAYS have fun. In the words of Van Wilder, "Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive." Write that down.

Posted by: iolinux333

All I had to do was read your title and I immediately knew the answer. I mean it. I didn't have to read anything else you wrote. Here is the answer:

Forget the b*tch and move on.

(that's the voice of experience of someone who has been through a lot more sh*t than you yet. Look back in 20 years and you will say Oh my that guy was so right)

Posted by: cpr86

hmmm, this whole thing seems ridiculously repressive. Maybe its just the atheist heathen in me but just date her and live your life.

Posted by: JenJen

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Originally Posted by iolinux333

All I had to do was read your title and I immediately knew the answer. I mean it. I didn't have to read anything else you wrote. Here is the answer:

Forget the b*tch and move on.

(that's the voice of experience of someone who has been through a lot more sh*t than you yet. Look back in 20 years and you will say Oh my that guy was so right)

Has someone been burned???

I feel like I'm detecting a hint of bitterness...

Posted by: icanttype

all i want to say is congrats on being that young and gotten so far i'll be 18 in less than 3 weeks and im struggling through HS but only because im a lazy *** slacker

Posted by: maxiderm

Rcadden: good advice, but its really hard to think about doing that. look at it this way, if i was old (say 60) and retired from being a successful buisnessman, and tell you to quit your job right now and tell you "its ok, its not a good job becuase they only pay 60k a year and there are better out there that will pay 90k a year and you WILL find one and WILL be happy being without a job for a little bit, and relaxing" and i can truely mean it for your best interests. does that mean its right? well, yes and no. i say that becuase it may be right in my opinion. to you it might not be, and to others, its all opinion. but i will take your advice into consideration only because Van Wilder is the coolest ever. haha jk, but i really will take it into consideration.

iolinux333: uh... bad advice. sorry, but i see no facts/reasonings/arguments/anything that makes sense in anything you just said, but im willing to bet that your not so good with the ladies...

NineToez:

i took your advice a long time ago and i needed some help with that i would call Dr. Phil or something...

Posted by: Woogie650

My thoughts on love - If it was meant to be, it'll happen. If she loves you, she'll wait and she'll be patient. Before you know it, everything is everything.

Posted by: sliderboy

Getting involved in a serious relationship involves a lot of responsibility that might get in the way of your other, more important, commitments. Getting an education and staying religiously active are more important than a relationship with a girl. However, you don't want to overdo the whole work routine. Just do what your heart tells you to, that's what I do.

Posted by: Woogie650

I saw a chick all through high school who was a "good christian girl". She even made me follow her to her college of choice. A few weeks before prom, she says "i'll never marry a guy like you so quit wasting your time." and "I've been seeing a guy named ******* and he's a mechanic". Brilliant. Now im in college, 19, having the time of my life hanging out with all kinds of really cool chicks. Beyond high school is a whole new world. It's a completely badass world if you decide to go to college.

Posted by: maxiderm

Woogie: im in college, i know, i have been out of high school for a year already and i know what your takling about. my girlfriend has also been out of high school for 2 years. and im sorry to hear about your insident. i mean, a mechanic? come on, your in college too, your not gonna be some dirty *** grease monkey...

Posted by: Woogie650

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Originally Posted by maxiderm

Woogie: im in college, i know, i have been out of high school for a year already and i know what your takling about. my girlfriend has also been out of high school for 2 years. and im sorry to hear about your insident. i mean, a mechanic? come on, your in college too, your not gonna be some dirty *** grease monkey...

are you going to like a community college? Or a University?

Community college is not too different from high school. Infact, it's like high school with smoke breaks lol.

Universities are where the fun is at.

Posted by: maxiderm

here in the great state of CA, you can legally you can graduate from high school early as long as you basically are 1. smart 2. have money 3. have a lot of determination. i know of only 2 others in my city who have done this. unfortnately, you cant be admitted (no matter how smart you are, i have tried many times) to a University. so im stuck here at this community college. i like it still, we have great proffessors and a nice campus, that happens to be right down the street from my house. but im thinking of moving. i might be offered a job as a 3D architectual designer soon and i should have enough money to move to the coast when i can finally get away from all that im going through right now. PISMO BEACH BABY!!

Posted by: Woogie650

badass dude. i lived in san jose for about 8 years of my life. WA allows you to go to community college instead of high school and by the time you graduate your senior year, you'll have your AA and your diploma.

Don't grow up too fast, bro. i was the same exact way just a few years back. had my whole life planned and i was determined to do this and that and be real successful. But you gotta have some time to have some fun.

Get yourself into a good university and you will not regret it. Prior to going to a legit university, there is only so much that you see and so much that you experience. But when you're away from home, away from friends, in a brand new environment, you see a lot of cool things that you normally wouldn't. Slow dowwwwn. I'm working on getting a real estate license right now so that I can make me some green eggs and ham to pay for my schooling. 33k a year aint cheap. But I just need keep myself in check as far as having time to enjoy life.

You've got the rest of your life to work. You'll be busy raising your kids, taking care of your family and bills + mortgage. Enjoy as much as you can while you can. Your college summers willl be the best summers of your life. Do some international traveling if you can.

EDIT: on the same token, you've got the rest of your life to spend with one gal. So in the mean time, enjoy the company of many gals while you're still young.

Posted by: Chink

Bukkake Her

Posted by: Woogie650

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Originally Posted by Chink

Bukkake Her

Wow that was pretty... lame.

Posted by: maxiderm

im gonna start looking at universities on the coast. im thinking of getting me bachelors... not sure what in yet (i doubt they offer a bachelors in Real Estate... 2 years of learning is more than enough lol) maybe buisness administration... or something...

Posted by: Woogie650

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Originally Posted by maxiderm

im gonna start looking at universities on the coast. im thinking of getting me bachelors... not sure what in yet (i doubt they offer a bachelors in Real Estate... 2 years of learning is more than enough lol) maybe buisness administration... or something...

I'm going to school for finance and marketing. If i'm up for the challenge, maybe MBA afterwards.

Posted by: maxiderm

ya a masters a lot... a little too much for me. i have looked at a few colleges i have never heard of, like Harvard, Yale, etc... huh, ya right...

but seriously there are some good colleges i have been looking at on the coast with good BA programs in Buisness Administration with different concentrations such as Management (thats what im most interested in), Marketing, International, etc...

so far it looks like i will have my AS in Real Estate right after i turn 18, which would be great becuase i might be able to move to the coast and find a real estate company in Long Beach, or San Francisco... those cities both have a few universities there. oohh im drooling at the thought of leaving...

Posted by: slickNsxy

get your education around accounting....you'll probably hate, but in the long run that's all you'll have to know to get around with money

Posted by: Phoenix Fire

I'm sorry....but at some point you have to break free from your parents. I was always a good child myself, and I kept being forced to stay home because of stupid reasons. I finally decided it's my life....and I went out and started doing stuff. (Before the age of 18) I didn't get in trouble, I just went out and had fun. There is a time in everyone's life when you have to tell your parents to back the **** off. This may be yours. Just because a young relationship for THEM may not have been an option, doesn't mean it isn't for YOU. Just curious....how old were your parents when they met?

If you don't have your own car....this may be harder for you to do. But still....once your 18 you are legally an adult. Move out and tell them to stuff it. And once you do, make sure you don't **** up your life so you can come back in 5-10 years and show them how wrong they were.

Posted by: maxiderm

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Fire

I'm sorry....but at some point you have to break free from your parents. I was always a good child myself, and I kept being forced to stay home because of stupid reasons. I finally decided it's my life....and I went out and started doing stuff. (Before the age of 18) I didn't get in trouble, I just went out and had fun. There is a time in everyone's life when you have to tell your parents to back the **** off. This may be yours. Just because a young relationship for THEM may not have been an option, doesn't mean it isn't for YOU. Just curious....how old were your parents when they met?

If you don't have your own car....this may be harder for you to do. But still....once your 18 you are legally an adult. Move out and tell them to stuff it. And once you do, make sure you don't **** up your life so you can come back in 5-10 years and show them how wrong they were.

1. my parents met when they were like 20...

2. i am gonna try my hardest not to f*ck up my life and i wont even come home unless i drive up in a bently

Posted by: boost_i95

^ I'd rather show up in a real BENTLEY.

Posted by: maxiderm

haha my bad, i drive a dodge Ram, you think i would know how to spell that?