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Treo 750W or the HTC Excalibur?
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Posted by: Ishimaru

So I currently own the HTC StarTrek Windows Mobile Smartphone, and while I absolutely love this device as it’s so small, there’s one major feature that’s just lacking; QWERTY keyboard. Granted, I know they can’t fit a QWERTY keyboard on this device, and I’m not asking it to; but I text a lot, and really love the fact that I can just type the letter, instead of having to keep pressing the key until I hit it. So now that I’ve decided I want a QWERTY keyboard again, there’s two options I currently have. The Treo 750W or the HTC Excalibur. The major differences between the two (besides the obvious), is that the 750 is a full fledged Pocket PC OS, and the Excalibur has the Smartphone OS. Here are phots of the two:

Now here’s are the specs of the 750w:

300Mhz Samsung Processor
GSM Quad Band 850/900/1800/1900
GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA
Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC Phone Edition
128MB ROM/64MB RAM
240×240 LCD display
Possible WiFi
A2DP Wireless Stereo Bluetooth
Going to be released by Cingular

Here’s the specs of the Excalibur:

195Mhz TI OMAP850 Processor
GSM Quad Band 850/900/1800/1900
GPRS/EDGE
Windows Mobile 5 Smartphone Edition
128MB ROM/64MB RAM
320×240 Landscape LCD Display
WiFi
A2DP Wireless Stereo Bluetooth
Going to be released by T-Mobile (maybe Cingular)

While the Excalibur is quite thin (only SLIGHTLY thicker than the Q), it has the anemic OMAP processor. While it’s good for phone use, it’s not exactly what I call fast when using regular programs, and the likes. Plus it does not include 3G internet, which from what I hear, works just fine with regular MediaNET from Cingular; but does have WiFi (though it’s a horrible battery killer). But I think the nail in the coffin is the fact that not only is it quite wide (though not as wide as the ****** Q), it also have the Smartphone OS, it doesn’t have the bells and whistles that the PocketPC OS has. I honestly think I would go for the Treo 750W as I don’t think I can deal with a slow processor again (it’s like using a Celeron in my phone); plus the keyboard just looks so much better on the 750W. Granted, the 750W will be more expensive, since it’s a PPC phone, but I think it’ll be worth it. Let me know what you think.

Posted by: JwY

if you can live with the smaller screen, go for the treo

Posted by: JMBrown

Tough choice. Personally, I would go with the excalibur, as I currently use a 2125 (well, until I dropped a 25kg weight on it the other day), and have no problems with the Smartphone OS or the OMAP processor. Also, I was using a friend's 700w a few days ago and really disliked the 240x240 screen.

Posted by: Ishimaru

and what's even worse, is that Boy Genius at Engadget says its GREAT. Choices...choices.

Posted by: autigers20

So let's review our GSM devices. At the end of '04 we had:

Palm:
Treo 650

HTC:
Typhoon Smartphone
Blue Angel Pocket PC (w/ keyboard)
Magician Pocket PC (w/o keyboard)

Since then Palm has relased
um...nothing.

Since then HTC has released...

smartphones:
hurricane - aug '05
tornado/faraday - oct '05
startrk - spring of '06
meteor - fall of '06

pocket pc with keyboard:
alpine - jan '05
wizard - oct '05
hermes - aug '06

pocket pc without keyboard:
charmer - dec '05
prophet - jan '06

other:
universal - sep '05

remind me again why we want to support palm? they're so damn secretive about their vaporware, cater to CDMA carriers and Europe, and only put Windows Mobile on their devices to keep their company from going bankrupt. i'll be damned if i ever put a treo on my hip.

Posted by: Ishimaru

No 3G and a slow celeron of a processor; just makes it a little hard to want...

Posted by: JMBrown

Honestly though, DarkJedi, the processor isn't bad at all. I have been using my 2125 since december, and the phone rarely hangs at all. With the Smartphone Version of WM5, the 195 OMAP is perfectly fine, IMO of course.

Posted by: Ishimaru

I notice my phone hanging a few times, but I think that's because of the ROM. I just want a QWERTY keyboard

hopefully MobilityMan can get this phone in ASAP as i want this NOW!!! Might still keep the S300 as my "going out" phone. QWERTY is just so needed by me is ridiculous...I also don't really care about watching movies or anything like that on my phone; and I don't have any slow downs when listening to music; that is if i don't navigate the phone while listening to music. depending on price, i JUST might get the excalibur, san the gay pink t-mobile crap.

Posted by: hondaguy

i just got my hands on a pre production excalibur and sold my treo 650 yesterday. just the size difference alone is amazing. the keyboard on the excalibur is better then the old treo. the speed on this rom is very fast but who knows how the final version will be. i also have a qtek 8500 that i will keep as a going out phone and i was surprised to find that the excalibur is thiner and lighter then my 8500!

i used my treo for a few days and absolutely hated the size of it. if you really need the extra functions of a ppc go for the treo, but for me the size is much more important as i am already happy with the smartphone functionality.

Posted by: JMBrown

Jedi, given your needs, have you considered a Nokia E61? It's available now, so you won't need to wait for the excalibur. I'm likely going to get and E61, and when the Excalibur is out, if it gets great write-ups, I may sell the Nokia.

Posted by: Ishimaru

DUDE!!! Sell me your pre-production model, seriously!!! I want this phone so bad

I've made the decision to get the Excalibur, but I want it NOW!!!! Or tell me how I can get my hands on a pre-pro model.

Posted by: hondaguy

sorry, man, i cant sell it. i promised my connection that i would not sell it. besides, i actually really like it.

i had an e61 a few months ago and it was the first and only s60 phone that i have liked. it is noticeably larger then the excalibur but it does work well. i really hated the fact that it did not have a camera but the real killer for me was the ui. i just do not like the s60 interface

Posted by: Ishimaru

I hate Symbian, so I wont go with the Nokia.

Posted by: iJITSU

Tough call, HSPDA versus superior form factor/screen. Trying to make that decision myself. Would love HSPDA, but the screen of the Excalibur is going to be superior to the treo, and of course it will have a smaller form factor which I highly value. In regards to OS, I have thus far preferred the smartphone OS over the PPCPE OS. We'll see.

Hope the Excalibur works out for you.

Posted by: dwest218

I use to think I needed the Pocket PC version but after owning the Jam I got tired of the touchscreen. It occurred to me one day that everything I do on the Pocket PC the smartphone could do.(not every would feel that way) But seriously even the display is better because it doesn't have that touchscreen overlying the display. I don't worry nearly as much about display damage when the phone is in my pocket. On a separate but slightly related note the new 2007 Acura Navi system has gone away from the touchscreen to a joystick.(I was out looking at new cars yesterday) The touchscreen just requires too much attention and has no tactile feedback. IMO

Posted by: Ufs102

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

really love the fact that I can just type the letter, instead of having to keep pressing the key until I hit it.

I know this is silly but some people don't know what the T9 function is... based on what is said above... on your 8500 hit the * key until you pass the 123 and icon screen, and T9 or t9 appears in the top left. Now instead of hitting the 5 button three times to get to the third letter, you just type out the word by hitting the number button once. It's a smart function of sorts, experiment with it and you'll pick it right up. 10 times faster than pushing a button multiple times for one letter.

Another consideration is if you really text a ton, and you're not always mobile when you do it is the I-Tech bluetooth virtual keyboard. Not sure if you wanna drop 120-150 on a laser projected keyboard, but it would resolve the qwerty dilema.

Posted by: Solrac924

dude i'm almost in your exact shoes (just preferring the Treo750w). i'm willing to buy unlocked versions of any of the two (just hoping it they'd be available unlocked).

i currently own a Treo (Palm OS) and am sick of battery issues & horrible phone probs. most of the time i can't receieve/make a call! i desperately need an upgrade.

I don't care for my friend's t-mobile MDA (think it's too thick) but i read what Genius Boy had to say about the Excalibur (how it's high performance & that it feels good) so now i'm drooling. the fact that i'm ALREADY with t-mobile makes it better.
i happened to fiddle around with a treo700w at the mall last weekend and fell in love with the looks & speed. althought i've got lots of Palm apps/prgms, i'd switch to Windows Mobile if it does the job. will the 750w have umts? hopefully t-mobile falls through with that next year.
most likely i'd get whichever gets released first. am waiting impatiently.

Posted by: Kid1972

Just a thought...

I own the MPx220 - still use it when I need a small form factor without having to worry about breaking the screen (because it's a flip).

I own the K-Jam - love ths phone.

My next smartphone device *HAS* to have WiFi (sorry StarTrk) and also has to have HSPDA. Why buy a phone that doesn't take advantage of the CURRENT network?

My next PDA would probably have been the TyTN but it doesn't make sense that it doesn't have a 640x480 screen since PDA's have had them for quite some time. I also don't want to lose my miniUSB.

HTC is going to be releasing a LOT of new devices this year. Also, the new Samsung is the same as the Excalibur but also supports HSPDA. I'm going to wait and see what comes out...

-K

Posted by: JMBrown

Jedi, here's another phone you may wish to look at:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...ng-to-cingular/

If this does in fact come out in Q3 (which I highly doubt) It could likely beat out both of your other two choices. I understand you need a phone ASAP, but if you are going to have to wait for the Excalibur to be released, you might as well watch this Sammy while you wait.

Posted by: gryph0n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ufs102

Another consideration is if you really text a ton, and you're not always mobile when you do it is the I-Tech bluetooth virtual keyboard. Not sure if you wanna drop 120-150 on a laser projected keyboard, but it would resolve the qwerty dilema.

Personally I would not recommend the I-Tech as I used it long ago. Unless they have made some major improvements in the last year I wouldn't consider it an option for functionality. Granted they are cool as all hell, but the functionality was lacking a bit, and you get no sense of tactile feedback, and the typos are a MoFo with it. I spent more time correcting what I was typing then if I had just used the phones keypad. A KB that I would recommend is the Think Oustide Stowaway BT KB, BUT... I can't get any of their drivers to "work" on my smartflip at the moment. It worked flawlessly with all my other devices though, I am just waiting on the drivers for the Star Trek line...

Posted by: Solrac924

well, let's see:
better OS --> Treo 750w
better processor --> Treo 750w
ready for next year's UMTS/HDSPA --> Treo 750w
will be launched sooner --> Treo 750w
is supported with many more accessories --> Treo 750w
hmmm....

Posted by: Ishimaru

who said it's launching sooner?

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solrac924

well, let's see:
better OS --> Treo 750w
better processor --> Treo 750w
ready for next year's UMTS/HDSPA --> Treo 750w
will be launched sooner --> Treo 750w
is supported with many more accessories --> Treo 750w
hmmm....

better screen -> excal
wifi -> excal
more accessories could go either way, mini usb would be a big plus on either side

Posted by: hondaguy

the excalibur does have a mini usb connection

Posted by: Tastypeppers

Quote:

Originally Posted by hondaguy

i just got my hands on a pre production excalibur and sold my treo 650 yesterday. just the size difference alone is amazing. the keyboard on the excalibur is better then the old treo. the speed on this rom is very fast but who knows how the final version will be. i also have a qtek 8500 that i will keep as a going out phone and i was surprised to find that the excalibur is thiner and lighter then my 8500!

i used my treo for a few days and absolutely hated the size of it. if you really need the extra functions of a ppc go for the treo, but for me the size is much more important as i am already happy with the smartphone functionality.

Does your connection have any clues about when the Excalibur will hit the market for regular folks?

Posted by: JMBrown

As for the comparisons of the two, the dealbreaker for me would be the 240x240 screen. I never thought it would really be that big of a difference till I used a friends 700w, and was very unimpressed by the quality of the screen. Also, the excal. will most likely be much thinner.

On a side note, we should know much more about the 750 (Vodafone version) Tuesday as I believe there is supposed to be an announcement about it at some point in the day.

Posted by: hondaguy

i will ask him tomorrow if he knows when they will be officially released

Posted by: iJITSU

My vote is now for the Samsung SGH i607. That appears to be about the best smartphone I've seen in regards to design/specs.

Posted by: vybe232

I have an excalibur...its amazing..i have had every smartphone possible...this is the best i have ever owned....

go with the excal.

Posted by: Ishimaru

How the hell are all these people getting pre-pro models???

damn i need to know someone in the biz!!!

Posted by: stephman

Someone is always leaving something out that we want.
When we first saw info for the Samsung SGH-i600, Samsung left out 850 band but it had WiFi!!
Now they make a version for Cingular with 850 band but NO Wi-Fi.
WTF!!!

Posted by: Ishimaru

eh, I'm not sure if i like the samsung or not. i've always liked HTC phones, and i think that's what i'm going to stick with. i just want to get this phone asap!!! if anyone sees it for sale, let me know, i will buy it right away!

Posted by: Solrac924

a wifi card is gonna be avail for the Treo for those who want it.
as for form factor, are we forgetting the treo750w will be thinner and just as wide as the excalibur?
i have to admit i'd love the Excalibur's 320×240 Landscape, but the vertical resolution will be the same.
question: what can WM pocket pc do that WM smartphone can't?

Posted by: ajpprc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Solrac924

a wifi card is gonna be avail for the Treo for those who want it.
as for form factor, are we forgetting the treo750w will be thinner and just as wide as the excalibur?
i have to admit i'd love the Excalibur's 320×240 Landscape, but the vertical resolution will be the same.
question: what can WM pocket pc do that WM smartphone can't?

I think you mean that the Treo is going to be thicker than the Excalibur. As far as differences between pocket pc and smartphone devices, there are two major things that I think of: touchscreen and office suite.

Posted by: Ishimaru

touch screen i could really care less about, same with office apps, except for creating notes, i'd really love that! but i so want this phone, and it saddens me that so many people have pre-pro models, and i can't even get one

hook a brutha up!

Posted by: Ishimaru

Here's a nail in the coffin for the 750...NO wifi, and NO HSDPA! that's crazy if you ask me; however that doesn't mean no HSDPA for the US; this is the European version.

Posted by: Tastypeppers

Quote:

Originally Posted by hondaguy

i will ask him tomorrow if he knows when they will be officially released

Thanks. I really want to replace my Treo 650 with something that will do full sync to my Exchange Server. The cheap solution is an MDA off Craigslist. The (currently available) expensive solution is the TyTN. The "Geez, I wonder what it would be like" solution is a Universal.

But I like the form factor of the Treo/Excalibur so if the Excalibur is coming out soon I'll wait a tick or two.

Posted by: autigers20

review of the european treo 650v in case anyone is interested. would be similar to whatever cingular/tmobile eventually (ever?) releases:

http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/arch.../12/750672.aspx

Posted by: DanITman

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Here's a nail in the coffin for the 750...NO wifi, and NO HSDPA! that's crazy if you ask me; however that doesn't mean no HSDPA for the US; this is the European version.

No HSDPA is a nail in the coffin

How many markets do you know of that are actually using HSDPA? Also, isn't UMTS suffecient enough for you? I get around 800k on Cingular's UMTS, if thats not enough for you on a mobile device you might want to re think some things.

When Palm built this phone they built it with the business customer in mind. The one that buys 100's of these. They try to design something cost effective and something they can manufacture at a low price. It all about the margins.

I can see why they didn't include HSDPA in this phone because it doesn't need it. Even with WiFi, I can see why they don't include it. The average business customer is happy with edge and they don't have to worry about searching for an access point. How many Blackberry's have Wifi.....?

Palm has obviously been doing something right since the TREO has been selling huge number for many years and they haven't included Wifi yet. Not including wifi or HSDPA I think was a smart move.

PS. These comments are in reference to those in the US. I know that HSDPA has been deployed in other countries and users expect it. Also, the european market is a little ticked at no WiFi because their data plan prices are outrageous and many users use wifi or a GPRS/WCDMA modem.

Posted by: Ishimaru

I never said it was a nail in the coffin for Palm, nor did i say that because they didn't include those two options that the treo would be unsucessful, all i said was that it was a nail in the coffin for me not to buy it. it looks nice, it's a bit thick to my tastes, and has the threaded SMS, but doesn't have hsdpa, nor wifi; not to mention the small screen. have you seen screenshots from the treo screen? teenie-tiny.

Posted by: DanITman

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I never said it was a nail in the coffin for Palm, nor did i say that because they didn't include those two options that the treo would be unsucessful, all i said was that it was a nail in the coffin for me not to buy it. it looks nice, it's a bit thick to my tastes, and has the threaded SMS, but doesn't have hsdpa, nor wifi; not to mention the small screen. have you seen screenshots from the treo screen? teenie-tiny.

My Apologies, I didn't read it as such.

Why is not having hsdpa a nail in the coffin?

Posted by: Ishimaru

for a next gen device, it's a little disappointing to not have HSDPA especially when Cingular is rolling it out now or soon.

Posted by: JMBrown

According to Engadget, TreoCentral has been told the 750v will be software upgradeable to HSDPA. Granted, that may or may not be true, I wouldn't give up hope yet.

Also, Jedi, I'm in the same situation you are now. I just cancelled my E61 order for various reasons and now NEED a QWERTY phone ASAP. Looks like the Excalibur is coming to T-Mobile sometime next month (according to engadget mobile again), which means it should be available unlocked or from Cingular soon enough.

Posted by: Ishimaru

I sure as hell hope so, i just want qwerty so damned bad now

and i really wish i could get my hands on a pre-pro model!

Posted by: JMBrown

Yeah, I feel you on the QWERTY. I guess at this point, I'm holding out for the excalibur or maybe the E62, as I really don't think I could ever get used to the crappy lil Treo screen.

Posted by: Ishimaru

with all the great reviews this phone is getting, i want this phone even more than ever! teh sadness

Posted by: JMBrown

Yeah, I definitely want this phone. Right now I have NO PHONE (it's painful) cause I dropped a 25kg weight on my 2125, so I think Im gonna go pick up a Treo 650 or something from Cingular to hold me over till the E62 or Excalibur drops.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Ouch man, that definitely sucks

i don't know what i'd do without my phone; i'm so attached to it.

Posted by: JMBrown

yeah I'm struggling. I borroed a friends Razr for the time being. I really really wants this Excalibur.

Posted by: Solrac924

earlier in the thread i said the Treo would be thinner. i meant it'd be thinner than previous treo models, not thinner than the excalibur.
i really need a replacement phone. this crappy treo 600 drops calls. cannot do without a qwerty keyboard any longer. can't go back.
again i would take either of these 2 phones, but nothing else.

yesterday i called the Palm store. they said the 750 would not be released for the US ever. i'm sure he didn't mean "ever". he most likely gets the launch dates about 2 weeks in advanced & can't discuss rumors/leaks.

Does the Excalibur have touchscreen like the Wizard?

Posted by: john1027

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solrac924

earlier in the thread i said the Treo would be thinner. i meant it'd be thinner than previous treo models, not thinner than the excalibur.
i really need a replacement phone. this crappy treo 600 drops calls. cannot do without a qwerty keyboard any longer. can't go back.
again i would take either of these 2 phones, but nothing else.

yesterday i called the Palm store. they said the 750 would not be released for the US ever. i'm sure he didn't mean "ever". he most likely gets the launch dates about 2 weeks in advanced & can't discuss rumors/leaks.

Does the Excalibur have touchscreen like the Wizard?

No - it will feature MS Mobile 5 - Smartphone version - no touch screen.

Posted by: john1027

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

with all the great reviews this phone is getting, i want this phone even more than ever! teh sadness

One more news link to keep you salivating. From endgadetmobile. T-Mobile release (maybe) next month in the U.S. of the Excalibur.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...usa-next-month/

Posted by: Ishimaru

I want an unlocked version because i don't want the gay pink theme from t-mobile.

Posted by: john1027

I was thinking or maybe hoping that there would be an early CID unlock solution so you could use other ROMs. Price point will also be a factor. Anyway, I'll be waiting along with you. The star tracs are nice but for my own personal preferences and use/needs, I want the qwerty keyboard. I'm happy that HTC finally realized that there are a lot of folks who want that.

Posted by: Tastypeppers

The T-Mobile store across the street -- assistant manager, FWIW. Lunchtime today.

Hadn't heard of the Excalibur/Dash/whatever.

Six Samsungs dropping next week including one PDA phone but it doesn't have the full QWERTY keyboard, just that silly half-***** middle-of-the-road not-a-T9-and-not-a-QWERTY-either" abomination.

She had heard of and saw and held the dummy of the successor to the MDA (the TyTN, I'm assuming) but not a real one. Gasp. Does this mean . . . . T-Mobile is going to have its own version of the TyTN/8125? Please, God.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Well reps in stores are about as dumb as a box of rocks. The moment the 8125 hit, I went to the stores and asked about it, no one knew a damn thing about it. Even customer service reps, they don't know ****.

Posted by: JMBrown

lol my rep here didn't know what the either E62 or 3125 were. Figures. I would assume that HTC will release this phones themselves or through Qtek before any carriers get it. Typically, they release it, then the foriegn carriers, then the US guys...it would be odd for a US carrier to release an HTC phone first.

Posted by: Ishimaru

HTC will be releasing all their phones in Europe and Asia only; and in the US, the carriers have to release them. This is why I want a phone from Europe instead of waiting for Cingular to release.

Posted by: autigers20

the whole "damn i want this phone so bad" routine has been done countless times here on howardforums. we've all just about gone crazy waiting for a phone we can't live without. it's always the same routine. 40 pages of "can't wait" and "wonder when" and "my friend said" until the phone eventually gets released.

experience has shown that no cingular rep will ever know anything about pre-release (and usually recently released) phones. EVER. it's not worth asking, going to the store, calling your local store, etc... they will not know anything. period.

the only place you can find good info on these phones is on hofo from users such as:

nskgti23: http://www.howardforums.com/member.php?userid=14666
ihap: http://www.howardforums.com/member.php?userid=3626

and i'm sure a few others. these users have proven to have good info and release what they can when they can.

Posted by: DanITman

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I want an unlocked version because i don't want the gay pink theme from t-mobile.

The Smartphone themes can easly be changed by editing some XML files without being unlocked.

Your going to need an unlocked one if you want to put your Cingular SIM in it.

Posted by: DanITman

Another reason not to get it from T-Mobile is because the T-Mobile version won't have the jogger on the side. I think they are going with a standard scroll wheel.

Posted by: JMBrown

Dan, where did you hear that?

Posted by: Solrac924

i for one finally decided...i'm getting both.

if the "Dash" actually does come out next month, i'll be the 1st to buy it from the T-mobile store. i'd rather they install the software & all.
it makes sense that Cingular will be the 1st to get the 750w in the US, but that may not happen for months to come.
it's too bad T-Mobile has ditched distributing Palm phones. i figure an unlocked version will be avail mid-late 2007. i'm hard for 3G but it'll have to wait.

enlighten me: what's a 'jogger' ?

Posted by: Solrac924

never mind. i see it's to be used for viewing documents, browsing web pages or going through menus.
i see HTC is now calling it the S620.
i'm sure you all saw the report from "the Boy Genius" that it may be avail "as early as the end of this month"
Boy Genius, wherever you are, thank you.

Posted by: Tastypeppers

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMBrown

Dan, where did you hear that?

I don't know where Dan heard about the missing jogger strip, but this from Phonescoop may be a clue.

Quote:

What it is not packed with is the JOGGR that was supposed to let you scroll through text simply by running your fingertip down a touch strip on the side of the screen. HTC tells us the first version didn't work as well as they had hoped. Instead there are touch-sensitive volume up and down keys in place of the full touch scroll strip. The company is hoping to improve the touch-scroll technology for use in future products.

Posted by: InnerGeek

I have been on the fence between these two for what must be weeks (Ha!), I think I am going to jump in on the Excalibur when it releases. I will more than likely pick up the HTC version unlocked, i'm over the whole T-Mobile packed juck on the system. Judging by what I primarily use my MDA for, I think I will be fine with the watered down Smartphone OS.

So my only question is to MMB, any word on when you will get this?

Posted by: DanITman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tastypeppers

I don't know where Dan heard about the missing jogger strip, but this from Phonescoop may be a clue.

I heard it somewhere but I can't remeber where. No word on what they are going to replace it with. Also the FCC docs are showing the version without the jogger.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Some guy on eBay is selling these, but apparently they're pre-orders. I'd rather not give my money to someone i don't know, and wait however long to get the product.

Posted by: InnerGeek

Take it with a grain of salt, but October 12th according to Expansys.

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=EXCALIBUR

Posted by: InnerGeek

Sorry the 14th according to their US page. I don't know about that price, seems a bit steep to me.

http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?code=S620_US

Posted by: Ishimaru

That's actually pretty good, seeing as how some people are going to charge $600+ for that phone! I'll still buy my phone from SMG (Smart-Mobile-Gadgets) instead of MP.

Posted by: InnerGeek

My only thing is that I read on Treo Central that there is a preorder for an Unlocked 750 for $699. So for a $100 more you get the full PPC OS. Decisions, decisions...

Posted by: Solrac924

does anybody else think mobileplanet's pre-order price will be higher than HTC's price when it's released? that's about $200 more than i expected.

as for the Treo 750, i couldn't find it anywhere that it's avail at treocentral.com...it sounds like bogus.
i think these pre-orders are for suckers.

Posted by: JMBrown

looks like the excaliber (Cosmo) was launched by O2 Germany today:

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5588.html

Posted by: DanITman

Expansys is crazy they are always overpriced but they always have it first on their website.

Posted by: InnerGeek

Here is the link for one of the places offering the Treo Unlocked, well for preorder that is.

http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wir...id=21613&view=2

And i agree, I wouldn't do a preorder either.

Posted by: Ishimaru

$700, yikes :\ Pre-orders are a waste of time and money.

Posted by: InnerGeek

Hmm, looks like the Vodaphone exclusivity is world wide. If true, we won't see this thing stateside till the new year. Well, unless you get an unlocked Vodaphone one.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5594.html

Posted by: Solrac924

i'd buy the unlocked Treo easily for $600.
played with the t-mobile MDA (Wizard) for 24 hrs & loved it. the resolution was excellent. took a little getting used to WinMobile PPC but you can't beat it. the Palm OS is really taken a beating.
is WinMobile Smartphone really that practical? hard to imagine it would be without any stylus.
is there any high-end phone with a qwerty keyboard, EDGE, Wi-Fi, UMTS, HSDPA, built-in GPS, at least 240 x 240?

Posted by: michaelflorio82

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Well reps in stores are about as dumb as a box of rocks. The moment the 8125 hit, I went to the stores and asked about it, no one knew a damn thing about it. Even customer service reps, they don't know ****.

Hey now! I find this comment to be very offensive. I am a T-mobile rep (in store) and consider myself very knowledgable in the world of phones/pdas. I have to agree the average rep doesnt know alot about what is going on inthe phone/pda world, but that is because they are not into these devices like I/we are. To say all in store reps are as dumb as a box of rocks is a ignorant statement. I have many friends that are also reps that know quite a bit about current and upcoming technology. Also on a side note, reps (at leat T-mobile reps) are the last to find out any official info on what phones/services are about to launch on purpose. They dont want us spreading the info around. I normally find things out on the internet before T-mobile ever sends an official email to us, and they are very very very serrious about us not slipping info out for any reason. So alot of the times reps will just play dumb that way we dont get bugged by constant calls and questions about release dates, features, price, can you hold one for me, blah blah blah. Sorry for the rant.

Posted by: InnerGeek

Take a look at the HP 6900 series. The only thing it is missing is the 3G compenent. Or you can look at the HTC Artemis or Trinity, I forget which one, has all of the above but no keyboard.

Posted by: Solrac924

thanks InnerGeek. yeah, checked it out all but still no perfect phone. gotta have the keyboard as i text a lot.
the HP hw6900 series have to be ready for next year's 3G
the Artemis looks like it's missing 3G and the keyboard.
Trinity seems very nice but entering text with a stylus would be tedious.
i suppose the TyTN is very close...all i'd have to do is purchase the GPS separately. i'm not a fan of the keyboard layout or the thickness.

Posted by: InnerGeek

I am not sure on your time frame for needing the device, but there is speculation that the TyTN's successor the HTC Herald will sport GPS built in, but it isn't expected till at least Q1'07.

Posted by: InnerGeek

Solrac, here is the device for you...

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1006410

Posted by: Solrac924

that Pocket Loox T830 is freaking awesome. that baby does it all! don't care for the looks though (too spartan). i'm sure it's > $1K. has the fcc approved it yet?
i'm hoping the Dash will be upgradable to 3G with some kind of expansion card...it's possible, right? Can't wait to hear about the launch date anytime now!
It's too bad Palm can't sell unlocked 750w phones now. i'd like to be loyal to Palm but they've really slacked it. Wonder if their ALP will ever compete with WinMob.

Posted by: LIVEFRMNYC

Pocket PC's are becoming as small as smartphones and/or regular phones.

So it does make sense to get somthing with a QWERTY keyboard.

I love my Imate SP5 but I will be getting a Pocket PC next. The HP's look nice. I heard to many bad things about IMATE pocket Pc's

I would go for the treo 750w. Being that you asked

Posted by: jehlinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solrac924

that Pocket Loox T830 is freaking awesome. that baby does it all! don't care for the looks though (too spartan). i'm sure it's > $1K. has the fcc approved it yet?
i'm hoping the Dash will be upgradable to 3G with some kind of expansion card...it's possible, right? Can't wait to hear about the launch date anytime now!
It's too bad Palm can't sell unlocked 750w phones now. i'd like to be loyal to Palm but they've really slacked it. Wonder if their ALP will ever compete with WinMob.

T830 has been in works for some time. I'm beginning to wonder if it's vaporware. Not telling when/if it will come out. It's too big tho for my taste.

Posted by: Solrac924

well there it is. t-mobile is launching the Dash on Oct.16

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...r-16-confirmed/

it doesn't look as if it's coming with any JOGGR. it also doesn't look like HTC is selling them direct with the JOGGR.

well, my Treo's days are numbered. wouldn't you know it: i dropped it hard & it start working very well? wth?!

i don't think t-mobile's $29.99 is worth their Total Internet plan. even if it IS with EDGE & a few hotspots. on the fence with that. would definitely jump on when UMTS is avail.

Posted by: JMBrown

I'll most definitely be getting this as soon as an unlocking solution is available!

Posted by: DanITman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solrac924

well there it is. t-mobile is launching the Dash on Oct.16

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...r-16-confirmed/

it doesn't look as if it's coming with any JOGGR. it also doesn't look like HTC is selling them direct with the JOGGR.

well, my Treo's days are numbered. wouldn't you know it: i dropped it hard & it start working very well? wth?!

i don't think t-mobile's $29.99 is worth their Total Internet plan. even if it IS with EDGE & a few hotspots. on the fence with that. would definitely jump on when UMTS is avail.

This will be the first time ever that you will be able to get an HTC device from a US carrier before being able to get it from overseas.

Posted by: Ishimaru

I just can't stand the pink t-mobile branding, just uh...gay??? plus i don't want that t-zones button at the bottom; i'll take the generic htc version any day.

Posted by: john1027

DarkJedi - If you change your mind, the T key should be easy to remap as it is with the SP5m. I guess the rumor of a thumb-wheel in lieu of the joggr went by the wayside also. I think I'll be waiting for the HTC also.

Posted by: Ishimaru

i "guess'' I could always just sugar cube it and get rid of the gay branding.

Posted by: InnerGeek

MMB says he should be able to get the HTC version at the same time as Expansys. Expansys now has the 19th listed as the release date and MobilePlanet is saying the 21st. I guess a couple of weeks will be more like a month.

Also, I was doing some google searching today and came across this review of the HTC version. Not sure if you have seen it yet but I found it to be fairly detailed with great shots of the device. Enjoy!

http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/re...alibur-en.shtml

Posted by: DanITman

Quote:

Originally Posted by john1027

DarkJedi - If you change your mind, the T key should be easy to remap as it is with the SP5m. I guess the rumor of a thumb-wheel in lieu of the joggr went by the wayside also. I think I'll be waiting for the HTC also.

The T-Mobile version won't have the Jogger. Based on the photos it appears to have two buttons instead of the Jogger.

Posted by: dwest218

2 buttons is correct

Posted by: Ishimaru

i really think t-mobile should have chosen different colors other than pink...

Posted by: Tastypeppers

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

i really think t-mobile should have chosen different colors other than pink...

It's not pink, it's fuschia.

Oh, wait. I think I just proved your point.

Posted by: michaelflorio82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tastypeppers

It's not pink, it's fuschia.

Oh, wait. I think I just proved your point.

Its actually "magenta". It will not have a jogger, but the jogger will be used as a "touch sensative" volume control.

Posted by: Ishimaru

whatever color it is, it's still gay looking. but anyways...i'd much rather have the htc version with the joggr and the non-gay pink colors.

Posted by: Tastypeppers

Magenta, fuschia, pink. The basic aesthetic "thumbs down" is still accurate. I mean REALLY. Did you see the T-Mobile team in the Tour de France? That's not a good color for a bicycle racer to wear.

Not that any of the team uniforms were a triumph of good taste, however.

Posted by: Ishimaru

LOL gay pride parade!

Posted by: michaelflorio82

I agree cripling the jogger was a huge mistake. If this is supposed to compete with the Motorola Q, (has a jog dial), than they only shorted themselves by leaving this inovative feature out.

Posted by: Ishimaru

I guess so, I just don't really see the need for it, but some people like it, so i can see how that would be bad.

Posted by: InnerGeek

So is it confirmed that the HTC version will keep the JOGGR?

Posted by: Solrac924

between the s620's green wallpaper, the JOGGR, & the internet explorer button (instead of the t-zones button), i'd wait a week to get it from HTC.

Posted by: Ishimaru

here here!!!

Posted by: jehlinger

alot of fuss about a pink "T" LOL

Now if there's no jogger, that's serious. I've got a s620 on order, but I'll probably get a Dash to compare.

Maybe the t-zones button can be re-programmed?

Green wallpaper is good though.....

Posted by: InnerGeek

Where did you preorder the s620 from?

Posted by: jehlinger

I preordered from expansys, I know I know, they're dicey and unreliable, but they've always come up for me. Plus my company has an account with them

Posted by: DanITman

Back to the subject in this thread. Here are Excalibur and the 750 side by side.

Thanks from theunwired.net, you can check out the whole thing here.

Posted by: madgalaxy

I think I like the Treo better!

Posted by: cars4978

Count me among those who do not care for Treo's. Sadly I had to go purchase 2 of them for my company (the 700xw on Sprint) for two users who hated the 600 and 650. And what has changed in the 700? Nothing that they'll ever notice. They just want it for email. They hated the keyboard and that hasn't changed in this model.

I'm becoming a huge HTC guy. The quality of their product is astounding. They're also not the ridiculous bricks that the Treo is. And to define brick: Heavy, heavy, heavy. They do make great paperweights though.

Posted by: InnerGeek

I think they are both great looking devices, but I definitly lean towards the Excalibur.

Posted by: Ishimaru

man that Excalibur is one thin *****

Posted by: Omega2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4978

Count me among those who do not care for Treo's. Sadly I had to go purchase 2 of them for my company (the 700xw on Sprint) for two users who hated the 600 and 650. And what has changed in the 700? Nothing that they'll ever notice. They just want it for email. They hated the keyboard and that hasn't changed in this model.

I'm becoming a huge HTC guy. The quality of their product is astounding. They're also not the ridiculous bricks that the Treo is. And to define brick: Heavy, heavy, heavy. They do make great paperweights though.

You are aware that HTC is the manufactuer of all the Treos to date?

Posted by: Ishimaru

lol yes indeed

Posted by: InnerGeek

I spoke with the people at htcphonestore.com. They said they should have the S620 available within 10 to 15 days. No word on price though.

Posted by: cars4978

Had no idea that HTC made the Treo's. That's disappionting as the Treo's are horrible machines.

Posted by: autigers20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

You are aware that HTC is the manufactuer of all the Treos to date?

omega - if it wasn't you who said that - i'd think you were crazy. i'd be shocked if that were true. why do you think this?

edit: i stand corrected. seems to be common knowledge. not sure how i missed that.

Posted by: Solrac924

yeah, they're both great...that's what's making this decision tough.
if they were the same price, i'd choose the 750w. i'd rather not get another phone again next year. i do prefer the touchscreen, the readiness of UMTS, & i like knowing i have more processing power. wi-fi doesn't mean much to me anyway.
i suppose the price difference of the two would be important. so far it's $699.99 (Mobile City Online) vs. $534.95 (MobilePlanet)

Posted by: Solrac924

now htcphonestore.com & mobileplanet.com have a price of $529.99
the local t-mobile rep says they'll have a price this monday.
they usually give a price break of $100-$150 with long term agreements. i'm guessing $399.99 with 2-year commitment.

Posted by: JMBrown

$529 isn't really bad at all considering I paid $488 (w/ tax) for my 3125.

Posted by: DanITman

Quote:

Originally Posted by autigers20

HTC also makes the majority of the HP PDA's & Dell Axim's

Posted by: Ishimaru

oi vey....i'm getting tempted back to the 750! i really miss the right click option on PPCs, and really noticing it on smartphone os. not to mention the fact that this has UMTS/HSDPA....man

Posted by: InnerGeek

UMTS still isn't an issue for me as I am not planning on leave T-Mo anytime soon. But I will see how I fare with the smartphone OS. Judging by my usage of these devices I think I should be ok. I wish this thing would release already.

Posted by: JMBrown

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

oi vey....i'm getting tempted back to the 750! i really miss the right click option on PPCs, and really noticing it on smartphone os. not to mention the fact that this has UMTS/HSDPA....man

I thought it had been decided that the Treo was without HSDPA?

Posted by: Ishimaru

By default, it only has UMTS, but it WILL add HSDPA in a ROM upgrade.

Posted by: Solrac924

i think an HTC s620 with the JOGR is the thing to get for now. remember, T-Mo may use UMTS -or- HSDPA using the 1900MHz band -or- 2100. it's still up in the air (no pun intended). getting an unlocked 750v or one from Cingular next year may not be compatible. i wouldn't take the risk.
later, when UMTS is avail with t-mobile, i'm sure something new will be available. who knows? maybe something from HTC with the same form factor with pocket pc, utms & wi-fi.

Posted by: Ishimaru

T-Mobile bought the 1700Mhz band for UMTS. Plus the Excalibur doesn't have, nor will have UMTS.

Posted by: JMBrown

Anyone at all interested in the i607 for Cingular. Seems that if you liked the excalibur, you would be looking at the 607 as well...

Posted by: Ishimaru

i would be interested in the 607, i'm just not sure if i'm going to miss the PPC os or not; that damned right click is just handy.

Posted by: InnerGeek

If you are like me and your intention is to stay with T-Mobile, then we aren't going to see a 3G network, or at least one with any significant footprint till late 2007. With that in mind, I wouldn't be concerned with finding a device that might be compatible. Especially since there are no handsets available now that will work on T-Mobiles frequencies.

Posted by: Ishimaru

T-Mobile's 3G plans:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...tails-3g-plans/

Posted by: itsjustafone

is the excalibur gonna be compatibl with Tom tom?

Posted by: urbnazn

which is going to have a faster rom? the i607 or the excalibur?

Posted by: JMBrown

Great price on the Dash...hopefully it can be unlocked:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...aves-confirmed/

Posted by: Ishimaru

Well, I've decided on a phone...the TyTN! For two reasons, HSDPA

, and the fact that I can use Skype on it. Plus the QWERTY keyboard is quite nice. Just a little expensive at $700+shipping

Posted by: JMBrown

lol Jedi, are you gonna buy now though, or wait for the 8525?

Posted by: Ishimaru

Yup, I don't like the look of the 8525, so I'll buy the HERM100 on instead. I think I just really need the PPC OS, instead of the limited Smartphone OS. I also really wanted to use Skype, and I can't do that on a Smartphone. $700+shipping is hard to swallow, but worth it.

Posted by: Solrac924

Alright, well , i hope you're very happy with your phone & content with your decision. glad to see you'll have that "right-click" although i'm not sure what that is. now you'll be able to write those quick notes with PPC like you wanted to.

i loved the thread you created...hate to see it end. i had fun the last 30 days.

i think i made a decision too. think i'll go with the Dash. am too desperate & too anxious not to wait for a s620 to arrive later. i don't think the price of an s620 will drop below $349.99 anyway.

again, hopefully in a year or two, HTC will make something with the same form factor with UMTS & PPC. am hoping for a Excalibur II or something.

Posted by: JMBrown

I don't blame ya man, if I had $700 to spend on another phone, I most certainly would pick up a Tytn! Hope ya enjoy it.

Posted by: Ishimaru

I'll give you an example of the "right click" feature. Say you have an attachment in your e-mail, on a Smartphone, you have to click it to open it. However, with the PPC all you have to do is click the attachment, and hold it until the right click menu comes up, allowing you to save it, instead of opening it. THAT is a very handy feature. I absolutely love the size of a Smartphone, but the fact that the Smartphone OS is so limited, is just a huge turn off really. I think once Photon comes out, everything will be the same, and I wont have to worry about losing features. I really wanted the 750, but the fact that it wont be out in the US until the beginning of next year, I just can't wait that long. If I had the Excalibur with UMTS/HSDPA, and PPC OS, I would get that in a heartbeat, but at least for now, I think the PPC OS is the best choice for me. I really do love the size of Smartphones, but the limited functionality is just too much to want to use.

Posted by: jehlinger

I used to be a PPC person exclusively, I tried a few smartphones and really didn't like not having the touchscreen. But with the improvements in menu options with WM5 smartphone, the gap is closing. And not having a touchscreen greatly improves battery life of the device. Now going back to smartphone OS with the i320, I'm loving it.

I haven't really missed right-click much at all. Without a touchscreen you have no inclination to try and touch a menu. When using a touchscreen half the time I was too lazy to pull out the stylus and would touch the wrong thing by mistake. Actual productivity for me went down, touching the wrong items by mistake. Now manipulating everything through the keyboard/d-pad I make much fewer mistakes.

Just something to consider.

Posted by: Ishimaru

that's why with the TyTN there's a scroll wheel

making it easy to use without the stylus! I really wanted to like the Smartphone OS, I really did, but there are just too many limitations that annoy me. Being able to write notes on the fly without the use of third part software is great

I also send myself attachments via e-mail when I'm at work, so I don't have to wait until I get home, that is convenient. Once Photon comes out, I think I'll go back to the Smartphone style, as I love the small size of it. I really could care less about screen size as I don't watch movies on it at all. Plus I really want UMTS/HSDA so I can use Skype, I really need to use Skype now and Smartphones don't support Skype. I wish things were different, but there are certain things I need, and Smartphone OS just can't offer what I need. It's a shame really. Here's to Photon in '08!

Posted by: Solrac924

So much for newer & better things...
Now there's the Samsung's SGH-i760. Slider phone with qwerty keyboard, tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA, WinMob PocketPC, 520MHz Intel processor, 240x320 touchscreen, 802.11b/g WiFi, Bluetooth 2.0, 2MP camera, front-facing video cam, microSD expansion.

meanwhile, T-Mobile announces the Dash launches on Oct.25 (later than expected)

http://www.t-mobileregistration.com...productinfo.asp
still no pricedrop from mobileplanet or htcphonestore on the s620.

Posted by: Ishimaru

HTCPhoneStore is insane for asking $850 for the TyTN!!!!! Especially when SMG is selling it for $729....

Posted by: mobilegruven

Gary Krakow of MSNBC.COM has given the T-Mobile Dash a really good review:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15209955/

Me thinks he's wrong about Word being included, otherwise a very favorable review... SmartPhones in general and Microsoft Windows SmartPhones are really starting to make their way into the hands of cell phone users.

I can't wait to actually hold one in my hands and see how it feels. My guess is I'll be leaning toward the Treo 750 or SamSung i607 because of 3G... but that is TBD.

Yesterday, I downloaded and then listened to my first PodCast on my Imate SP5. Yet another use for a SmartPhone!

Posted by: Talon402

Yeah, I'm not sure what he meant when he said Word and other Office apps were included on the device....I thought no MS Office was on the smartphone edition of WM5

Posted by: TreoBangla

Can anyone confirm whether the DASH and/or the Excalibur at least read/view MS Office files. I was under the impression that it was possible.
Thanks

Posted by: cowboys93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solrac924

So much for newer & better things...
Now there's the Samsung's SGH-i760. Slider phone with qwerty keyboard, tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA, WinMob PocketPC, 520MHz Intel processor, 240x320 touchscreen, 802.11b/g WiFi, Bluetooth 2.0, 2MP camera, front-facing video cam, microSD expansion.

meanwhile, T-Mobile announces the Dash launches on Oct.25 (later than expected)

http://www.t-mobileregistration.com...productinfo.asp
still no pricedrop from mobileplanet or htcphonestore on the s620.

No need to drop the price until AFTER the phone is available elsewhere.

Posted by: mobilegruven

You usually have to add a third party package like ClearView Suite:

http://www.westtek.com/smartphone/

However, some vendors add it to your smartphone for you so check it first... I believe the SMT5600 from Cingular had ClueView Suite added by Cingular to an AudioVox phone that was build by HTC. It can get convoluted sometimes.

Microsoft doesn't give you anything with Windows Mobile 5.0 for the SmartPhone, but gives you a mobile version of the Office tools on a Pocket PC. If you really need to work with office DOCS, I'd suggest checking out a Pocket PC Phone vs. a SmartPhone as the screen is really small, the processor tends to not be very powerful and of course, the builtin keyboard isn't QWERTY. Of course, this is changing all the time and SmartPhones can now have a QWERTY keyboard, the processors are gettting more powerful, etc. The new Treo 750 even has a touch screen, blurring the line between Pocket PC and SmartPhone even further.

If you must use a SmartPhone, check out T9 character entry... it works really well but has a small learning curve.

Posted by: Solrac924

well, i had my 1st day with the Dash.
2 words: Real nice!
they're right: it's smaller than the pictures lead you to believe. i've never had a phone with such excellent resolution. And btw, Boy Genius was dead on the money concerning the feel of the keys. it's CPU is quick to respond. oh, and i can confirm: no pink anywhere!

It's awesome!

Posted by: Solrac924

some more news:
after getting the Dash, i have now:
d/l'd Phatnotes which allows me to write notes easily (& sync with Outlook's notes)
d/l'd & changed the wallpaper to the official green HTC wallpaper
have changed the registries to enable the jogstrip!!!
have installed "Skype for Smartphone BETA"

no Voip yet, but a WiFi engineer at HTC says it's possible to someday port Skype onto Smartphone. Such an application coded in Assembly is possible since it's giving instructions directly to the processor. Such an efficient code can compensate for a weak CPU like the 200MHz IMAP.

Posted by: DVS_WiNdz

I would get the Treo.. I'm still waiting for the price to go down then I'll see

Posted by: sokelut

yay how do you enable the jogstrip on dash???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solrac924

some more news:
after getting the Dash, i have now:
d/l'd Phatnotes which allows me to write notes easily (& sync with Outlook's notes)
d/l'd & changed the wallpaper to the official green HTC wallpaper
have changed the registries to enable the jogstrip!!!
have installed "Skype for Smartphone BETA"

no Voip yet, but a WiFi engineer at HTC says it's possible to someday port Skype onto Smartphone. Such an application coded in Assembly is possible since it's giving instructions directly to the processor. Such an efficient code can compensate for a weak CPU like the 200MHz IMAP.

Posted by: Solrac924

d/l & install to RegeditSTG.zip to change registries on the phone
enter: HKCU\ControlPanel\JogBar\Settings\SwitchToAudioFun c
Change the value from "02 00 00 02" to a 00

it'll enable the slide scroll, continous scrolling, going back to prev webpage, going to prev used application, going directly to e-mail.

Posted by: michaelflorio82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solrac924

Where did you find the green HTC Wallpaper? I have tried a coiple search engines with no luck

Posted by: cortez

i (too) would be grateful if someone with an S620 would provide us Dash owners the HTC Wallpaper file. thx.

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by cortez

i (too) would be grateful if someone with an S620 would provide us Dash owners the HTC Wallpaper file. thx.

pm me your email and i'll send you the file and you can upload it for the rest of them to download?
i just don't have time to email it to everyone so if you can find/upload it, this would work out a lot better

Posted by: cortez

for those who want the HTC S620 green wallpaper for the Dash

Posted by: michaelflorio82

Quote:

Originally Posted by cortez

for those who want the HTC S620 green wallpaper for the Dash

Sweetness! Thanks!

Posted by: lilbowser

Quote:

Originally Posted by cortez

for those who want the HTC S620 green wallpaper for the Dash

Could you also post the XML from the HTC theme, Thank You

Posted by: cortez

sorry, that pic was emailed to me...i do not have the XML

Posted by: SliderSider

Home theme for HTC s620 XML you wanted.

Posted by: ChgoMike

I am currently using a TyTn (I-Mate JasJam) and am awaiting delivery of my S620 tomorrow. Has anyone had experience syncing two phones with outlook? One a PPC and the other a smartphone. It shouldn't be a problem... should it?

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChgoMike

I am currently using a TyTn (I-Mate JasJam) and am awaiting delivery of my S620 tomorrow. Has anyone had experience syncing two phones with outlook? One a PPC and the other a smartphone. It shouldn't be a problem... should it?

should be fine
i never had a problem with multiple devices

Posted by: jcjdoss

Hey does anyone know how to change the startup/shutdown screens on the Dash, also the in call screens

Posted by: SliderSider

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcjdoss

Hey does anyone know how to change the startup/shutdown screens on the Dash, also the in call screens

You just need to change the names of whatever you want the new screens to be to the defaults, or keep the new names, and point the Home.xml file to the new picture names.

Drop pics into \Application Data\Home (You will see the files named things like CallProgres_320x186, etc - make sure you match the size image with these dimensions so it will display correctly).

The XML file is also in this same directory, you can edit it in Notepad, just keep everything the same but the image names you see in there you want to change out.

As always - backup the original files you are going to change in case you mess something up and need to revery back

Posted by: leo777

anyway to use the myfavs on any homescreen instead of just default tmobile blue???

Posted by: OwenV

I was looking for the original htc homescreen for the dash here but the link to the jpg (not the xml) isn't there anymore, does anyone have it and want to share?