• Samsung loses. Ordered to pay Apple $1 billion.

    The verdict is in. A jury has found Samsung guilty for infringing on Apple's patents. They've been ordered to pay $1,051,855,000 (at $600 a shot that's around 1,753,090 Galaxy S III's) in damages to Apple.

    FYI Samsung's 2011 net income was ~$12 billion USD.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: The verdict is in... started by ceredon View original post
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    1. Cauchon's Avatar
      Cauchon -
      Pretty exciting. The Verge is also live blogging it from the court room.

      http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/
    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      Quote Originally Posted by Cauchon View Post
      Pretty exciting. The Verge is also live blogging it from the court room.

      http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/
      Good link.
    1. AznDuD333's Avatar
      AznDuD333 -
      no matter how much you love apple..suing over a rectangle with rounded edges is pretty ridiculous...
    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      Quote Originally Posted by AznDuD333 View Post
      no matter how much you love apple..suing over a rectangle with rounded edges is pretty ridiculous...
      That was one small part of the trade dress issues which themselves were a very small part if the overall list of accusations.
    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      Early reading is going Apple's way so far.


      Not going well at all for Samsung.
    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      $1,051,855,000 in damages awarded to Apple.
    1. howard's Avatar
      howard -
      Samsung's operating net income was ~12 billion USD last year.

      http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsu..._Eng_Final.pdf
    1. GeminiIII's Avatar
      GeminiIII -
      what the ....
    1. Doolie's Avatar
      Doolie -
      I got the impression from following the trial that, Samsung took the whole trial as a joke. I also think Samsung behaved a bit arrogant in thinking that they could get away with not submitting all their evidence, in on time, when they had plenty of time to do so.

      I also think Samsung could have avoided all this mess, by just releasing a clean Android OS phone, with no skins or augmentation and forcing carriers to leave it as is with no carrier lock. Samsung may have sold more too.
    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      I got the idea they weren't taking it seriously either. In fact since the very first lawsuit apple filed against them Samsung gave the distinct impression they considered the trials to be great press for their products. I would actually submit that one of the reasons that Samsung was able to so quickly go from a second rate mobile maker that no one cared about and into the sales leader they are now is because of the attention the lawsuits gave them. They became the standard bearer for the entire 'I hate Apple' crowd. The other vendors didn't play up the fact that they were being sued nor were they as blatant in the copying. This all have Samsung an aura of being the anti-Apple
      champion to the point the followers set aside aall logic and reason and common sense.

      Worst case for Samsung is they lose $1B from this trial. When this nonsense started their phones were absolute garbage. That $1B can be considered marketing money or engineering monies they saved by copying Apple
      to get their phones and mindshare to where they are now, which are pretty good these days. The damages are nothing for either company and Samsung would have spent far more over the last couple years trying to get their phones and image to where they are now on their own.
    1. VArase's Avatar
      VArase -
      Quote Originally Posted by AznDuD333 View Post
      no matter how much you love apple..suing over a rectangle with rounded edges is pretty ridiculous...
      Actually, I think that was the one charge they didn't win on.
    1. VArase's Avatar
      VArase -
      Quote Originally Posted by ceredon View Post
      That $1B can be considered marketing money or engineering monies they saved by copying Apple to get their phones and mindshare to where they are now, which are pretty good these days. The damages are nothing for either company and Samsung would have spent far more over the last couple years trying to get their phones and image to where they are now on their own.
      Yeah, but you have to think that the other OEMs who aren't making money hand-over-fist to think seriously about what they might be in for.

      Also, Google sitting the back murmuring sweet nothings to Motorola encouraging them on has to be nervously licking their lips thinking about the $10B they spent for those FRAND encumbered patents.
    1. thenokiagallery's Avatar
      thenokiagallery -
      I am glad apple won. Korean company been copying and making tons of money out of it. Look at Samsung s3 designed for human and inspired by nature their English so broken so does that mean before this all their phones and other manufacturer designed their phones for alien?

      This the first phone designed by human? So what so special about the phone nothing.

      What the heck does inspired by nature means easily breakable?

      We heard tons of ppl complaining how easy the screen and body breaks.

      What have Samsung innovate?
      S voice copied from siri

      S-beam? Copy from NFC transfer by giving a name?

      Android taken by google?

      their bada os is a failure so they can only resort to copying design.

      what have they innovate?
    1. thenokiagallery's Avatar
      thenokiagallery -
      Tablets it started from apple then Samsung come and copy

      Then white colours phones started with apple then Samsung copy too

      I don't see any loss in US Samsung phones all around the world drop prices like water the only phone hold its value until next launch is apple.
    1. thenokiagallery's Avatar
    1. MasonDoctorJT's Avatar
      MasonDoctorJT -
      Quote Originally Posted by thenokiagallery View Post
      Once someone takes the market over, the others can still innovate. This article is retarded. Look at automobiles, Toyota took over top top spot, but others ate making great cars! I agree Samsung pushed it with the look of their phone, and touchwiz, but everything else was around before the iPhone, and apple winning will slow innovation, because now people will say "see Apple did invent the smartphone" and buy more same as the last iPhones. But that's ok, i'll live

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    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      http://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/08...apple-opinion/

      Interesting take from an Android fan. It is obvious that every Android vendor that isn't Samsung is bleeding to death. Samsung took copying to a whole other level with their products, allowing them to save billions in R&D and marketing, while the other vendors seems to have tried to play it a little straighter, perhaps to their detriment. What once had the potential to be a truly thriving ecosystem of manufacturers now appears to be littered with dying mobile divisions and thousands of people being laid off. Much of that is because Samsung managed to so suddenly go from being a second rate phone company into the world leader. While HTC and Moto and Sony had to invest heavily into their phones, Samsung shortcutted the process and cut these guys off at the knees. Samsung's copying may have hurt Android more than it hurt Apple.
    1. Doolie's Avatar
      Doolie -
      Quote Originally Posted by I has a phone View Post
      Wirelessly posted (iPhone 4: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B206 Safari/7534.48.3)

      The funny thing is that Apple and Samsung are still partners lol. Samsung delivers memory and if I am not mistaken the displays for iPhones. Oh the irony.

      I know for sums like this cash is never used, but just imagine apple paying samsung for whatever supplies they buy, and paying using the same bills Samsung paid the 1billion ahaha
      Samsung is a huge conglomeration made up of many divisions and companies. They make cars and washing machines too.
    1. Deafmented's Avatar
      Deafmented -
      Quote Originally Posted by thenokiagallery View Post
      Tablets it started from apple then Samsung come and copy

      Then white colours phones started with apple then Samsung copy too

      I don't see any loss in US Samsung phones all around the world drop prices like water the only phone hold its value until next launch is apple.
      You must be kidding, right? I just filed a lawsuit against all white people of the world for copying my skin colour since I'm 87 years old. What's with all these kids and their white skin? I am the only one allowed to have white skin!

      Your comments are ridiculous.
    1. ilvla2's Avatar
      ilvla2 -
      It was a loaded jury, with a silly judge in Apple's backyard, I think Samsung should win an appeal request on those facts alone. Stupid Apple, when the tough get going, they sit in their rear and sue the tough!