• There is No Room in My Life for a $1,000 Phone



    $1,179 CAD. That's what Google Canada wants for a 128 GB Pixel XL. To say that I'm not interested would be a massive understatement.

    And it's not like I don't love gadgets; it's just that I buy enough of them to have a pretty good idea of what I'm willing to spend. As a reference, here's my own personal computer allowance:

    Desktop computer - $2,000 - upgraded every two to three years
    Laptop computer - $1,000 - upgraded every two to three years
    Smartphone - $500 - upgraded every year
    Smartwatch - $250 - upgraded every year

    But wait, you say, you can get a 32 GB Pixel for only $899 CAD. Yeah, no thanks... over the summer I bought a ThinkPad for the same price.

    But wait, you say, you can finance a Pixel through your carrier or even Google. Again, no thanks... The only phone I ever financed from anyone was the 2011 Galaxy Nexus—and I ended up having to pay that off early when I changed carriers and got the Nexus 4.

    But wait, you say, the Pixel has a much better camera than your stupid OnePlus 3. That may be, but for the $660 CAD in savings (the OP3 ships to Canada for $519) I can buy a pretty decent DSLR with a better lens and sensor than any smartphone currently on the market.

    I don't think of myself as cheap, I just don't see any value in Google's new phones.

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    This article was originally published in forum thread: There is No Room in My Life for a $1,000 Phone started by acurrie View original post
    Comments 21 Comments
    1. Ipse's Avatar
      Ipse -
      Amen brother.
      Dumb move from Google to think that Android fans are identical to Apple fans and will blindly spend that kind of money on a flawed phone.

      PS you were generous and left taxes out...another 200+$
    1. DRNewcomb's Avatar
      DRNewcomb -
      I never want a phone I'd have to either buy insurance to protect or kill myself if it was lost or stolen. IMHO, people pay way too much just to be the "cool kid" on the block.
    1. MVNO!!!'s Avatar
      MVNO!!! -
      I just wonder what applications, besides games, need this much processing power.
    1. jamesqf's Avatar
      jamesqf -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ipse View Post
      Dumb move from Google to think that Android fans are identical to Apple fans and will blindly spend that kind of money...
      Well, fans are fans, whether they're Apple fans, Android fans, football fans, fans of singers, actors, other sorts of 'celebrities', whatever. They'll spend what most of us would think are outragous amounts of money on their fandom, not because of any utility, but because they're fans. Just look at the prices paid for various sports & celebrity memorabila.

      So Google isn't really all that dumb, they're just trying to make money by soaking the fans. If they buy, Google's ahead. If nobody buys at that price, in a couple of months they can drop it to a realistic level, move the unsold stock, and still make a profit.
    1. EricSony's Avatar
      EricSony -
      Agreed, and the same applies word for word for the iPhone but what makes Google's situation more tenable is the obvious fact that the Pixel has vast competition in the Android world while Apple has a monopoly with the iPhone.
    1. bobdevnul's Avatar
      bobdevnul -
      Another amen.

      I get by just fine with nice used flagship phones in the $140 range and $300-$400 notebooks. I haven't bought a desk computer in so long that I don't even know the prices. It definitely would not be $2000 for me. I recently picked up a new LG G Pad F 8 for $105. It is perfectly adequate. I think it is great for the price. I'm loving it. I hate lugging notebook computers for things that are too hard to see or tedious to do on a phone.

      All of these things are smarter and faster than I am. It would be stupid for me to spend $1,200 for a cellphone to jam in my pocket to bang around with the keys and coins, even though I could afford it. My tech gadgets are not status symbols. What I have does not look or work like junk either.

      I don't pay much for cell service either, but that is a different story.
    1. themanhimself's Avatar
      themanhimself -
      A phone I was interested that's coming out is in the 800s USD which is a disappointment because for that price I can get a digital camera that I've been wanting instead. It's hard for me to pay but so much for a phone these days

      Sent from my XT1030 using HoFo mobile app
    1. bobdevnul's Avatar
      bobdevnul -
      Quote Originally Posted by jamesqf View Post
      ...If they buy, Google's ahead. If nobody buys at that price, in a couple of months they can drop it to a realistic level, move the unsold stock, and still make a profit.
      Haha, yeah, since the production cost of the phone is probably about $250. Even with shipping, marketing, retailing, etc. there is still a lot of profit to be made selling them for $400 or so. Fortunately we live in a market economy and they can do this if enough sheeple want them, and reasonable people have other perfectly adequate choices at reasonable prices.
    1. Groot's Avatar
      Groot -
      I preordered one and I am looking forward to it.
      Is it expensive yes but I keep in mind the Nexus 6 that I am replacing if I recall cost me $800 and that was when the dollar was at par.
      I want first in, too see what Google is developing.

      It will cost me but ok it will last me 2 years.
      Google keeps selling out the Pixel XL 128Gig somebody it buying them.
    1. jamesqf's Avatar
      jamesqf -
      I'm probably on the low end of spending. Phone cost under $30, I'm still using the T61 Thinkpad I bought years ago as my main machine - it does editing, compiling, email & web browsing, and generally runs well under 5% of CPU unless I hit a misbehaving web page, so why do I need more? Main desktop (ok, tower) is only a couple of years old: $900 or so for components, plus several hundred to keep GPU cards updated.
    1. Everless's Avatar
      Everless -
      Yeah it seems like a cool purchase but it's pretty hard to justify.
    1. cyberstoic's Avatar
      cyberstoic -
      It does nothing that other androids do not do for less. I cannot imagine what it is that google thinks would substantiate that price point. The price and no removable storage make it dead for me.
    1. MVNO!!!'s Avatar
      MVNO!!! -
      Can someone post the specs?
    1. TadMorose's Avatar
      TadMorose -
      Quote Originally Posted by MVNO!!! View Post
      Can someone post the specs?
      Here you go

      http://bfy.tw/8Brg
    1. rambo47's Avatar
      rambo47 -
      ESPECIALLY at the prices Google is asking, I'd wait to see how folks feel about these phones after using them for a while. Real world reviews by real world users. Imagine paying that much for a phone and then spending all your time searching help forums for workarounds/solutions to frustrating issues nobody expected.
    1. jimxx200's Avatar
      jimxx200 -
      Wow, your electronics budget is much higher than mine. My max sweet spot amount for a phone is $150. and that means a mfg refurb or 1-2 year old new mid tier model. I have a Moto G4 that works well and a HTC Desire 828 (new at $150) that is just a beauty to use. Bonus on the HTC is it's outstanding camera and gorgeous 401ppi 5.5" screen.
      Now I do have a passion (probably vice) for nice shotguns and love shooting the various clay sports like trap, bunker, skeet, and sporting clays. I've won my share of tournaments and money, only to buy more shotguns...lol. The thing is with fine shotguns (been collecting them for over 30 years) is they have appreciated considerably, which helps to defuse my wife's concerns. While I love my tablet, laptop, dslr cameras, m4/3 cameras, and a few smartphones, I view them as disposable items that rapidly depreciate.
    1. rambo47's Avatar
      rambo47 -
      I have a couple Mossbergs and a few Remington 870s. I have no intention of ever stopping buying shotguns.
    1. alluringreality's Avatar
      alluringreality -
      The way I see it, Google simply decided that they wanted to start charging flagship prices, similar to brands like Apple, Samsung, HTC, and LG. Saying you're not interested in the phone due to the retail price simply means you're not interested in other phones at the same price point. In the US that means you're not interested in all the high-end, name-brand models - iPhone 7, S7, HTC 10, G5, etc. Personally I'm not going to pay retail price on a phone that starts at $650 and up, but Best Buy in the US is currently offering up to $225 in gift cards that apply to all those sorts of flagship devices, and Verizon is offering reduced monthly payments that amount to $200 for a $1 phone trade against a Pixel. Even with the adjusted price the phone still falls above the arbitrary $380 price for a new phone, but the only 2016 flagship carrier-unlocked phone compatible with Verizon I can remember hitting that number was a short sale on the RS988. Realistically in the US if someone has a 2 year budget over $3400 for electronics, a flagship phone with a 3 year support window is not really unreasonable, since a decent deal on the 128 GB Pixel XL could essentially amount to less than 20% of that budget. Basically the story is that Google simply decided to start charging flagship prices for their new phones, and in the US they currently still sell the older phones for lower price points on Google Fi, similar to how Apple discounts their older models.
    1. bobdevnul's Avatar
      bobdevnul -
      Quote Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post
      ...Saying you're not interested in the phone due to the retail price simply means you're not interested in other phones at the same price point....
      That is correct in my case, except the simply part. When I think of budgeting, I think first about how much I can invest for important things, like a comfortable retirement, sending children to college, etc. Cellphone bling is not at all important. Cellphones, cars, and boats are not investments. They are expenses. My spending for cellphone and computer electronics is about $250 a year for perfectly adequate stuff.

      Investing the difference between $250 and $1700 a year for 30 years at 7% will add up to ~$150, 000. I would rather have the $150K than some pocket bling. It does take some patience for delayed gratification which I have not always had.

      Justifying an extravagance is not a good way to budget.
    1. aKansasKid's Avatar
      aKansasKid -
      Quote Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post
      The way I see it, Google simply decided that they wanted to start charging flagship prices, similar to brands like Apple, Samsung, HTC, and LG. Saying you're not interested in the phone due to the retail price simply means you're not interested in other phones at the same price point. In the US that means you're not interested in all the high-end, name-brand models - iPhone 7, S7, HTC 10, G5, etc.
      The difference to the general consumer is that those brands have an established presence, and Google does not. Google is dabbling and seeing what sticks. The others are committed. The general consumer recognizes Apple and Samsung particularly as longtime high-end manufacturers. Reputations and confidence are hard to build from scratch. (I'm distinguishing between the general consumer at the local Verizon store, say, versus HoFo members.)

      It's far easier to crack the general consumer market at the low to mid level than it is at the premium level. But the company also gets tarnished with the off-brand label if it only competes at those levels.

      Google has a tough road ahead. By abandoning the mid-level, they've put all their eggs in the toughest basket. And with their deep pockets it will be ready to just abandon phones in their business model when it doesn't pan out.