• Dual-SIM FTW: Why the OnePlus 5 and 5T are Perfect Smartphones for Freedom Mobile



    Here's hoping that every Canadian reading this was able to jump onto a 10GB/month plan yesterday; if not, I've been hearing that some carriers are extending their promos until end of day today. I actually joined in on the fun myself, and am now the proud owner of two Rogers SIMs—one each for the girlfriend and I.

    Why, as a Freedom Mobile customer, would I even want to admit this? Because the Rogers SIMs are going to be used only as backups in the second SIM slots of our two OnePlus phones; our primary voice, text and data service will be with Freedom Mobile. I'll be sealing the deal by porting out our numbers from Koodo later today.

    Some Howard Forums members seem to have a hard time believing this, but Freedom's service in downtown Toronto has, in more than a month's worth of use, been surprisingly good. I can think of only two places where I've not had a reliable signal—in the basement of The Bay's Queen Street store and a lawyer's office where there weren't any nearby windows.

    For scenarios like these getting back online will be as simple as switching our data connection to Rogers. Those lines were activated on the same $5/month tablet flex plan; they're ready if we need them, but the cost of keeping them on standby is low. In fact, for the next twenty months they're basically free, since Freedom is giving each of our lines a $10 credit per month.

    Back in the summer of 2014 when FM was still WIND Mobile I wrote that I wouldn't fault anyone for voting with their wallet—that is, paying for service with an upstart carrier to divert money that would otherwise go to The Big Three. Today, with a dual-SIM phone you can finally have the best of both worlds. And if that dual-SIM device is a OnePlus 5 or 5T you get a pretty fantastic Android smartphone as well!

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    Comments 23 Comments
    1. ravercwb's Avatar
      ravercwb -
      No it's not.....it doesn't support band 13 LTE....whenever freedom deploys band 13 VoLTE your phone won't work.

      Sent from my FRD-L04 using HoFo mobile app
    1. Mann Incognito's Avatar
      Mann Incognito -
      Watch those dual SIM trays, many of them will only operate in 2G in the second slot.
    1. mch's Avatar
      mch -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mann Incognito View Post
      Watch those dual SIM trays, many of them will only operate in 2G in the second slot.
      The oneplus 3/3T/5/5T all support LTE in both slots (but not both simultaneously). Easy to switch back and forth. The non-data active slot gets HSPA if available.
    1. Mr.Peppermint's Avatar
      Mr.Peppermint -
      This makes no sense at all
      Why get a big3 SIM as a "backup"?

      A far smarter solution would be a big3 SIM as your primary phone ($60 for 10GB) then go ahead and add the Freedom Tablet ($15 for 4GB) as a backup in case need extra data

      As it stands now you are paying (at least) $110 for a nonsensical config
    1. cal653's Avatar
      cal653 -
      Agreed it makes no sense. Rogers network is much stronger it should definitely be the primary for voice calls and also instances where you need maximum data reliability / speed. ie. banking, quickly researching an item while on the road, comparing prices while shopping, etc.

      Data you can use the Wind network for less critical stuff like streaming youtube, facebook, tinder, etc.

      Also given a choice you should have opened a line on Koodo instead of Rogers. It's pretty easy to accidentally blow past 10GB at Big 3 LTE speeds. Koodo has 10GB of shock free data which means you won't be subjected to overage charges unless you consent to it.

      "We’ll alert you when you reach 50%, 90% and 100% of your monthly data limit.
      When you reach 100% of your data limit, we pause your data and you choose if you want to add more, right from your phone."
    1. sable's Avatar
      sable -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Peppermint View Post
      This makes no sense at all
      Why get a big3 SIM as a "backup"?

      A far smarter solution would be a big3 SIM as your primary phone ($60 for 10GB) then go ahead and add the Freedom Tablet ($15 for 4GB) as a backup in case need extra data

      As it stands now you are paying (at least) $110 for a nonsensical config
      Why do you need a Freedom Mobile account if you have Big 3 with data?

      For Freedom customers, using Big 3 prepaid or Speakout as backup makes perfect sense.

      I use a Knowroaming SIM as backup in case I get into one of Freedom's holes.
    1. gameon123's Avatar
      gameon123 -
      If you can get along with 10GB of Freedom Mobile data and talk/text then backup typically implies a "fail-safe" option like, say, a Fido 3GB naked plan that runs about $7.50/mo on loyalty discount (3 months). You could get fancy and have your call-in number at voip.ms and have that call re-direct to both of your sim numbers (see: call hunting).
    1. MattOnDemand's Avatar
      MattOnDemand -
      Quote Originally Posted by gameon123 View Post
      If you can get along with 10GB of Freedom Mobile data and talk/text then backup typically implies a "fail-safe" option like, say, a Fido 3GB naked plan that runs about $7.50/mo on loyalty discount (3 months). You could get fancy and have your call-in number at voip.ms and have that call re-direct to both of your sim numbers (see: call hunting).
      I have the 3GB Fido Tablet plan for $15...how does one get it for half price? Thanking you in advance.
    1. gameon123's Avatar
      gameon123 -
      Quote Originally Posted by MattOnDemand View Post
      I have the 3GB Fido Tablet plan for $15...how does one get it for half price? Thanking you in advance.
      My experience: call in after 3 months and ask if they can apply any discount or loyalty codes to your plan. This is for plans without the tablet promo (just the line).
    1. Driver8666's Avatar
      Driver8666 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Peppermint View Post
      This makes no sense at all
      Why get a big3 SIM as a "backup"?

      A far smarter solution would be a big3 SIM as your primary phone ($60 for 10GB) then go ahead and add the Freedom Tablet ($15 for 4GB) as a backup in case need extra data

      As it stands now you are paying (at least) $110 for a nonsensical config
      It's not "no sense" it's zero sense. I have had Asus Zenfones with this type of configuration. They have Band 7, but not 13. It took a bit to get used to my iPhone having only one SIM card slot, but apparently over in Asia (no offense), dual SIM Card phones are the "norm".

      People might say it's easy, but looking at it another way, it does not make sense at all over here in North America. Nonsensical, yes.
    1. Driver8666's Avatar
      Driver8666 -
      Quote Originally Posted by cal653 View Post
      Agreed it makes no sense. Rogers network is much stronger it should definitely be the primary for voice calls and also instances where you need maximum data reliability / speed. ie. banking, quickly researching an item while on the road, comparing prices while shopping, etc.

      Data you can use the Wind network for less critical stuff like streaming youtube, facebook, tinder, etc.

      Also given a choice you should have opened a line on Koodo instead of Rogers. It's pretty easy to accidentally blow past 10GB at Big 3 LTE speeds. Koodo has 10GB of shock free data which means you won't be subjected to overage charges unless you consent to it.

      "We’ll alert you when you reach 50%, 90% and 100% of your monthly data limit.
      When you reach 100% of your data limit, we pause your data and you choose if you want to add more, right from your phone."
      Here's the problem. While Robellus likes to rape you without Vaseline, or even a condom on overage charges, Shaw does not charge for overage except if you are roaming. Your last line would be very alarming to anyone. And it's real easy to blow past that. Who will pay attention to that? No one. I don't. Freedom texts me to tell me I've hit the 5GB (out of 8) on my phone. But mostly I ignore it. It's good, yes, but I don't have to worry about getting raped on overage charges. Plus even throttled, granted the data is slow, it's still usable, but I don't care about that.

      Granted they pause the data, but the fact that you can add more right from your phone? Nonsense. Freedom lets you keep on going, throttled. And doesn't charge extra, even though the network is like Swiss Cheese but who am I to complain?
    1. Mr.Peppermint's Avatar
      Mr.Peppermint -
      Quote Originally Posted by sable View Post
      Why do you need a Freedom Mobile account if you have Big 3 with data?
      Because big3 overages are obscene

      I personally would not even do what OP did was merely claiming he seems to have it backwards
    1. Driver8666's Avatar
      Driver8666 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Peppermint View Post
      Because big3 overages are obscene

      I personally would not even do what OP did was merely claiming he seems to have it backwards
      Oh definitely. I agree with you there. That's one thing that Shaw has that the Big 3 don't. Shaw does not charge for overage. Robellus likes to. Probably where at least 60% of their revenue comes from. Overage.
    1. gameon123's Avatar
      gameon123 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Driver8666 View Post
      Here's the problem. While Robellus likes to rape you without Vaseline, or even a condom on overage charges, Shaw does not charge for overage except if you are roaming. Your last line would be very alarming to anyone. And it's real easy to blow past that. Who will pay attention to that? No one. I don't. Freedom texts me to tell me I've hit the 5GB (out of 8) on my phone. But mostly I ignore it. It's good, yes, but I don't have to worry about getting raped on overage charges. Plus even throttled, granted the data is slow, it's still usable, but I don't care about that.

      Granted they pause the data, but the fact that you can add more right from your phone? Nonsense. Freedom lets you keep on going, throttled. And doesn't charge extra, even though the network is like Swiss Cheese but who am I to complain?
      I feel that is the reason for backup. Moreso if you're in Home with no signal. Happened to me Monday when lost FM but my Fido was running. I see this as a temp measure until zone is saturated and equal in penetration with B/R/T in structures. I wonder if FM Mgmt team have backup?
    1. Driver8666's Avatar
      Driver8666 -
      Quote Originally Posted by gameon123 View Post
      I feel that is the reason for backup. Moreso if you're in Home with no signal. Happened to me Monday when lost FM but my Fido was running. I see this as a temp measure until zone is saturated and equal in penetration with B/R/T in structures. I wonder if FM Mgmt team have backup?
      If you're concerned about structures, I've got news for you. There's a disclaimer in every service agreement that states "coverage not guaranteed". Some elevators in some buildings are known to drop the signal to No Signal. The OP's statement about a backup, especially with dual SIM phones is at best absurd. The OP might see that, but I'm not seeing it. If you're in a building, it's the way the building was constructed that will affect your signal (which may or may not have an effect on service). The zone is saturated at least to the point this shouldn't be happening, or rarely happening. You'll still get this on Robellus. Shaw ain't perfect either, but at lest they were smart enough to sign an agreement with Apple.

      If you don't have Away Roaming, that point is very moot. There's your backup. But on my plan I get the 1GB of data, 2400 minutes to call the US and Canada and unlimited global texting. Even if I was on Home with no signal I don't freak out. Neither should anyone else. That kind of stuff will happen.

      Is the network still like Swiss Cheese? Yes. But it will improve. At some point I'll get the service back, all my texts, data, all that fun stuff. If you rely on your phone for work, I can then understand it. But anything below that threshold, I can't.

      You should only have a dual SIM phone IF you rely on it for work. If you don't, you don't need it. Plain and simple. I'm getting rid of my dual SIM phones over the course of 2018, and replacing my 6S Plus with an 8 Plus.
    1. gameon123's Avatar
      gameon123 -
      Listen pal, I'm just telling it like I sees it. I had NO FM signal to make a call ("call failed"). So I went to my back up phone (not dual sim) with Fido and presto, made the phone call. What can I tell you? That Fido ignored FM's disclaimer - or it's own? BTW I have a backup because 1. it's paid up for the next couple months, 2. I don't know FM yet so I'm willing to invest the time and money to learn.
      It was the "HOME without a signal" situation I was describing (not freaking out over) on FM's iPhone 8. Yes that may be an important family matter (financial, medical, life opportunity, etc.) not just "work" or biz. Roaming Away Canada or USA did not remedy the situation.
      As they say in Ontario casino-land, "know your limits, play within it". Keep up the good work!
    1. MrGreenleaf's Avatar
      MrGreenleaf -
      Just chiming in to say I'm pissed off that phones in Canada don't come with dual sim slots as the norm.
    1. Driver8666's Avatar
      Driver8666 -
      Quote Originally Posted by gameon123 View Post
      Listen pal, I'm just telling it like I sees it. I had NO FM signal to make a call ("call failed"). So I went to my back up phone (not dual sim) with Fido and presto, made the phone call. What can I tell you? That Fido ignored FM's disclaimer - or it's own? BTW I have a backup because 1. it's paid up for the next couple months, 2. I don't know FM yet so I'm willing to invest the time and money to learn.
      It was the "HOME without a signal" situation I was describing (not freaking out over) on FM's iPhone 8. Yes that may be an important family matter (financial, medical, life opportunity, etc.) not just "work" or biz. Roaming Away Canada or USA did not remedy the situation.
      As they say in Ontario casino-land, "know your limits, play within it". Keep up the good work!
      You made it sound like you had one. I apologize for that. But investing money and time to learn, no one will give you grief over that. Not even me. We all learn from that, even if it costs us financially. Home without a signal eh?

      Ontario Based Casino Land? Lol. I love that.
    1. Driver8666's Avatar
      Driver8666 -
      Quote Originally Posted by MrGreenleaf View Post
      Just chiming in to say I'm pissed off that phones in Canada don't come with dual sim slots as the norm.
      Yes they do, you have to find them. I have 3 Asus Zenfones (ZE551KL, ZE551ML and ZE552KL, all bought in Canada) that have dual SIM slots, but with the ZE552ML, the phone will be restricted to 2G speeds in the second slot. I also have a Blu Studio C that I came to Wind with (that I still have) that is dual SIM. I think some Samsung phones have them. I'm getting rid of these with the exception of the ZE552KL (only because of Android O), in 2018, and replacing my barely a year old 6S Plus with an 8 Plus. I am keeping the 6S Plus as a backup.

      iPhones on the other hand? Forget it. But I did read (and it's NOT confirmed) that the next batch of iPhones might have this in. That is if those engineers in Cupertino, California can figure out that part. But I'm banking on no.
    1. cal653's Avatar
      cal653 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Driver8666 View Post
      Here's the problem. While Robellus likes to rape you without Vaseline, or even a condom on overage charges, Shaw does not charge for overage except if you are roaming. Your last line would be very alarming to anyone. And it's real easy to blow past that. Who will pay attention to that? No one. I don't. Freedom texts me to tell me I've hit the 5GB (out of 8) on my phone. But mostly I ignore it. It's good, yes, but I don't have to worry about getting raped on overage charges. Plus even throttled, granted the data is slow, it's still usable, but I don't care about that.

      Granted they pause the data, but the fact that you can add more right from your phone? Nonsense. Freedom lets you keep on going, throttled. And doesn't charge extra, even though the network is like Swiss Cheese but who am I to complain?

      I agree that the Big 3 will rape you with overage charges as that is their profit model. However if forced to choose between them for the 10GB plan I would choose Telus / Koodo. They are the only one among them who will inform you at least 4 times and stop before you will incur overage charges. With the others there is a very high chance of blowing past the 10GB limit without notice.

      Also from my experience they are the one most likely to honor grandfathered plans besides Freedom.