• Rogers and CIBC announce Mobile Payment Solution

    *EDIT* Rogers and CIBC just announced their new mobile payment solution. You'll be able to use your CIBC credit cards to pay for things via the NFC feature on certain Blackberries on Rogers.

    Do you all think today's announcement will help or hinder our ability to pay with your phone in Canada? While it's true that we haven't been able to pay for things with our NFC enabled phones today's announcement allows Rogers customers with a Blackberry to pay for things using their CIBC credit card.

    You got to start somewhere right? The thing is, what about customers on other TELUS/Bell/etc? What about people with NFC enabled Android devices? And what about Canadians who don't have a CIBC account?

    While today's announcement is very exciting, I'm worried that in the future it could mean you need to have a Rogers phone if you want to leave your CIBC credit cards at home. Since Rogers/CIBC choose to work together instead of with a group does this mean you'll need a Bell phone if you want to use TD and a TELUS one if you have Bank of Montreal?

    Of course, I can see why Rogers is so quick to jump on this. They don't want a 3rd party stepping in. I mean what's to stop a group from cutting out Rogers entirely and working directly with mobile phone manufacturers or worse yet: what if VISA/MC/AMEX work directly with the phone manufacturers.

    Payment processing is a huge pie and I'm sure everyone wants a piece. The problem is; customers will be inconvenienced if they have go jump through hoops for their piece. Let's hope things don't get too complicated.

    Credit card alternatives have been floating around for a while: Gas station quick pay chips, transit presto cards, etc. It goes without saying that the dust has not cleared yet.

    The only thing for certain, is that today is just a stepping stone to a broader collaboration between the Canadian wireless industry and the Canadian banking industry.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Rogers and CIBC announce Mobile Payment Solution started by howard View original post
    Comments 20 Comments
    1. ALSHugh's Avatar
      ALSHugh -
      Yes, completely. I heard something on the news (radio) this morning that the major banks support payment integration with smartphones and are working with the cellular industry to setup something akin to Interact.
    1. Maverick_6453's Avatar
      Maverick_6453 -
      Yes. Here's a quick link providing general details of the mobile wallet...

      http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/14/of...lesyrup.com%29


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    1. Maverick_6453's Avatar
      Maverick_6453 -
      http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/15/ro...lesyrup.com%29

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    1. Treatz's Avatar
      Treatz -
      Lol,
      I use neither!
    1. Bad Liar's Avatar
      Bad Liar -
      Will be cool once this becomes the norm.
    1. WorldIRC's Avatar
      WorldIRC -
      Quote Originally Posted by Treatz View Post
      Lol,
      I use neither!
      Rogers is PRO
    1. bubble.tea's Avatar
      bubble.tea -
      Quote Originally Posted by Maverick_6453 View Post
      http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/05/15/ro...lesyrup.com%29

      Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using HowardForums
      ? WIRC>...is that your brother????

      And btw...lol @ RIM Plug. Suddenly BBs become 'cool' again. LOL. Just when they were dead in the water, suddenly a glimmer of hope for head-way in this emerging novelty segment.

      When the novelty of stealing cellphones has waned.....suddenly it becomes the 'cool' thing to do for trouble-makers once again-now with the added bonus of making some novelty payments with the account.

      Isn't everyone a baller and will just set high values to prompt a pin? The whole point is 'ease of use'. Nobody sets a pin for paypass, so why would they for their cellphones? Unless....people actually start using their heads a bit more.
    1. WorldIRC's Avatar
      WorldIRC -
      Not related BBT
    1. B407's Avatar
      B407 -
      Just saw the video on mobilesyrup. To be honest it doesn't look that useful. I'm sure I can whip out my mastercard paypass much faster then I can get out my phone, draw my unlock pattern, open up the mobile payment app, enter my PIN and select my preferred card.
    1. tech4fun's Avatar
      tech4fun -
      Oh come on Blackberry only,
      Go to a Rogers Plus store Blackberries are flying off the shelves.

      When it does not catch CIBC will say, see we tried and nobody was interested.
    1. howard's Avatar
      howard -
      Do you all think today's announcement will help or hinder our ability to pay with your phone in Canada? While it's true that we haven't been able to pay for things with our NFC enabled phones today's announcement allows Rogers customers with a Blackberry to pay for things using their CIBC credit card.

      You got to start somewhere right? The thing is, what about customers on other TELUS/Bell/etc? What about people with NFC enabled Android devices? And what about Canadians who don't have a CIBC account?

      While today's announcement is very exciting, I'm worried that in the future it could mean you need to have a Rogers phone if you want to leave your CIBC credit cards at home. Since Rogers/CIBC choose to work together instead of with a group does this mean you'll need a Bell phone if you want to use TD and a TELUS one if you have Bank of Montreal?

      Of course, I can see why Rogers is so quick to jump on this. They don't want a 3rd party stepping in. I mean what's to stop a group from cutting out Rogers entirely and working directly with mobile phone manufacturers or worse yet: what if VISA/MC/AMEX work directly with the phone manufacturers.

      Payment processing is a huge pie and I'm sure everyone wants a piece. The problem is; customers will be inconvenienced if they have go jump through hoops for their piece. Let's hope things don't get too complicated for customers.

      Credit card alternatives have been floating around for a while: Gas station quick pay chips, transit presto cards, etc. It goes without saying that the dust has not cleared yet.

      The only thing for certain, is that today is just a stepping stone to a broader collaboration between the Canadian wireless industry and the Canadian banking industry.
    1. TadMorose's Avatar
      TadMorose -
      Meh. I'd rather use Google Wallet. Seriously thinking of rooting my Nexus S (it's out of warranty already) and sideloading Google Wallet.
    1. Mr Mystery's Avatar
      Mr Mystery -
      Quote Originally Posted by TadMorose View Post
      Meh. I'd rather use Google Wallet. Seriously thinking of rooting my Nexus S (it's out of warranty already) and sideloading Google Wallet.
      I wouldn't use Google Wallet with a rooted phone, chance of data being stolen increase 100 fold.
    1. WorldIRC's Avatar
      WorldIRC -
      Why do you say that

      Sent from my HTC One X
    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      Quote Originally Posted by WorldIRC View Post
      Why do you say that

      Sent from my HTC One X
      Same reason the PayPal app on iOS says not to use it if your iPhone is jailbroken. Removing the security layer allows for effectively uncontrolled inter-app interactions. Sandboxing and runtime restrictions are pretty much gone.
    1. Howmander's Avatar
      Howmander -
      I don't see the point of this if it's just to use credit card information as payment. I always thought this mobile wallet thing was so your cell phone bill got charged in case you don't have your debit or credit card, but if it's just using your Credit Card info anyway, why not just use your credit card? Not nearly as great as I thought this was going to be.
    1. ceredon's Avatar
      ceredon -
      Quote Originally Posted by Howmander View Post
      I don't see the point of this if it's just to use credit card information as payment. I always thought this mobile wallet thing was so your cell phone bill got charged in case you don't have your debit or credit card, but if it's just using your Credit Card info anyway, why not just use your credit card? Not nearly as great as I thought this was going to be.
      It looked for a while like there would be different flavours. There was talk of the model you mentioned, where it gets charged to your cell bill, talk of Apple doing it via your iTunes/iCloud account and then the model introduced this week, where it bills to your credit card. I figure the account that it gets charged to isn't all that important. I expect the standard will allow the app you open to to determine where the bill ends up. Perhaps some will allow you to have multiple options to select at payment time. Not certain though.
    1. big samm's Avatar
      big samm -
      All I want is a app I can transfer my funds and then use it to pay via NFC... I rather like google wallet than that cibc crap.


      Sent from iPhone 4S
    1. Supa_Fly's Avatar
      Supa_Fly -
      Quote Originally Posted by big samm View Post
      All I want is a app I can transfer my funds and then use it to pay via NFC... I rather like google wallet than that cibc crap.


      Sent from iPhone 4S
      Have you fully read what the CIBC app can do? Use your banking app to make payments to your CC account and boom 2 business days that account has it - I'm sure CIBC Customers have their transactions for clients with accounts process immediate payments to their branded-Visa/MasterCard accounts. Not that hard to do really.

      BB has proven security layer, despite their image currently in the mobile space. They've been testing NFC for almost 5-6yrs now, almost as long as these various payment systems. GoogleWallet ... I'm trusting that with a 49 1/2 foot pole with their infancy and lack of security (there have been reports of issues even without jailbreaking) - yet its gaining traction.

      Besides, BB still holds the majority of corporate users - at least in Canada vs any platform and of those corporate users - the ones with serious $$ and lots of corporate credit cards (our co. has Amex) this is a big move for RIM. Advertising has to be BIG by RIM+Rogers+CIBC ... I'm sure a kick back from the CC company's is bound to happen so not much lost in a qtr time period for expensive advertisement (expense it).

      We'll see what comes of this.
    1. aldismiller's Avatar
      aldismiller -
      Great news!! If we able to use CIBC credit cards to pay for thing through the NFC feature on mobile. Yes then mobile will be like a wallet. Great!!