The only technical difference is that you lose access to the isp.cinguar APN, which you most likely don't use.
The one you (typically) use is wap.cingular.
isp.cinguar is primarily used for laptop tethering and data cards.
wap.cingular is typically used for all phones and PDAs.
However note that they're totally interchangeable and you can use wap.cinguar for tethering and isp.cingular for phones and PDAs. Except you can not access the wap proxy and subsequently the media net site and CV on isp.cingular.
The difference is that isp.cinguar is a real IP address, but wap.cingular uses NAPT (network address and port translation.) Since some VPN types (particularly PPTP) don't work (but IPSec over NAT does) on wap.cinguar isp.cingular exists to support this.
wap.cinguar, by the way, is on ALL data plans including Media Net.
So the old $40 PDA connect had isp.cinular. The new $30 PDA Personal does not have isp.cingular.
VPN used to be common for PDAs to connect to corporate mail servers before exchange activesync became widely available. But these days it typically isn't necessary and if it is, it's usually IPSec which would work on wap.cingular anyway.
So unless you have a specific reason to hang on to isp.cingular access, then you lose nothing by switching. You'll just save $120 a year!
In most cases peope don't even know they had isp.cingular (which is fine) so it's no loss.
The PDA enterprise plan as well as any and all tethering and data card plans do include isp.cingular. But all personal plans do not.
Exchange can be used on any plan, even PDA personal. You'd only have to get PDA Enterprise if your account is a business or corporate account. But if you pay your own bill on a personal account, you only need the personal plan (same exact rule goes for iPhone users.)
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New Data Plan Question! After searching through the whole thread, I haven't found an answer so that is why I am asking. I have a "PDA Connect Unlimited" data plan which I pay $39.99 a month for. Does this plan have the flagging thing? The things I see that I can change to are:
PDA Personal Bundle $50.00 unlimited data (5GB)? and unlimited messaging
PDA Personal 200 $35.00 unlimited data and 200 messages
PDA Personal $30.00 unlimited data
What do I lose if I change to the $30.00 plan?
Thanks for the help!
According to ATTForums , it appears that the grandfathered "PDA Connect Unlimited" is the Cingular equivalent of ATT's "PDA Enterprise". If you don't need access to direct pushed MS Exchange eMail, BlackBerry Connect, or Good Mail; and only want to access your personal eMail + Internet, then the PDA Personal plan for $30.00/mo would be plenty adequate for your needs. If at a later date you need access to these services, XpressMail is $4.99 additional/mo, and BlackBerry Connect is $9.95/mo. These services can be added to your plan at any date in the future by going to http://device.home on your mobile device, or http://www.att.com/mywireles on any internet connected computer.
You do not need PDA Enterprise to access Exchange. Exhcange just as POP and IMAP can be used for personal as well as business uses and is not tied to any plan.
Please trust me, I've been explaining this for years.
The Enterprise data plan is only for corporate and business accounts. Personal account are not required to pay for these plans.
Additionally, there is nothing different between enterprise and personal PDA plans that will affect exchange access.
Blackberry connect is totally different. You must pay extra for BB access regardess of business or personal use because it's a non AT&T service. You access Blackberry servers and the fee covers payment to RIM.
In the case of exchange, however, AT&T provides nothing additional therefore not required additional fee. You just use the internet connection to access your own exchange server. The difference in plan prices is merely to charge business a higher fee (probably to offset the discount they get.)
Another stupid question: With the Nokia it is already setup and ready for mobile e-mail, with the $15month plan, is that included or will they charge me more for that?
Not a stupid question. It's wise not to assume anything.
In short, the $15 unlimited media net plan covers any and all data transfers including the email and web browser.
The only thing it doesn't cover is Multimedia Messages (MMS aka picture messages) and text messages.
Also there is no difference between the $15 media net and $30 PDA Personal plan. They're identical so if it's covered on one, it's covered on the other.
Generalities aside, yes, you'll be covered (not charged extra.) If you are, assume they set you up wrong and it's a billing error that they need to fix.
Not a stupid question. It's wise not to assume anything.
In short, the $15 unlimited media net plan covers any and all data transfers including the email and web browser.
The only thing it doesn't cover is Multimedia Messages (MMS aka picture messages) and text messages.
Also there is no difference between the $15 media net and $30 PDA Personal plan. They're identical so if it's covered on one, it's covered on the other.
Generalities aside, yes, you'll be covered (not charged extra.) If you are, assume they set you up wrong and it's a billing error that they need to fix.
WOW!!! Just WOW!!!
Thank you VERY much for that clear concise answer!! I would have spent a half hour looking for that!! I guess I need to get that set up now
Thank you again!
Well, not knowing a lot about utorrent I can't really help you.
But I do want to let you know that AT&T's internet connection is firewalled blocking any unsolicited incoming data. So you can't host any kind of server or P2P for someone to connect in to you.
But as far as I know, they don't block any ports for outbound initiated connections.
The wap.cingular APN is on NAPT (network address and port translation) just like any typical corporate or home router.
The isp.cingular APN is a real IP address and doesn't used NAPT.
If you're on a tethered plan, then you can use isp.cingular (and wap.cingular.) If you're on any PDA or media plan, you can only use wap.cingular. Any plan under $60/month doesn't have isp.cingular, basically.
So, I'm not sure if that has anything to do with your problem. Just wanted to let you know.
Well, not knowing a lot about utorrent I can't really help you.
But I do want to let you know that AT&T's internet connection is firewalled blocking any unsolicited incoming data. So you can't host any kind of server or P2P for someone to connect in to you.
But as far as I know, they don't block any ports for outbound initiated connections.
The wap.cingular APN is on NAPT (network address and port translation) just like any typical corporate or home router.
The isp.cingular APN is a real IP address and doesn't used NAPT.
If you're on a tethered plan, then you can use isp.cingular (and wap.cingular.) If you're on any PDA or media plan, you can only use wap.cingular. Any plan under $60/month doesn't have isp.cingular, basically.
So, I'm not sure if that has anything to do with your problem. Just wanted to let you know.
what about ispda@cingulargprs.com and apn ispda.cingular?
i use it figuring it will compress better...
right now i have the tethering, but im mindful of the cap.
i turned off vista firewall, left mcaffee on, added the port to system services.
now im downloading, but veerrryyyyy slllooowww
...
i know i cant host(seed), just download torrents
i can use isp, but if i dont have to, id rather not...
i used to use wap, and ispda, and never been charged.
ispda@cingulargprs.com is still using the isp.cingular APN. It's just a different authorization login for the compression.
The compression, as far as I know only affects images. They go through a proxy and are re-compressed. At least that's what I THOUGHT was what it did (I could be wrong.)
So I would try using isp@cingulargprs.com at least. I'm not sure if ispda@ is sending you through a proxy that could screw things up or not.
But is you're using isp@cingulargprs.com with isp.cingular APN, and sitll can't do it, then I don't know what to tell you.
Sorry 'bout that.
I just bought a tilt and Im wondering if i can be tethering to my laptop while Im talking on the phone. I thought I read somewhere that was a great feature with HSPDA. Sorry if this was covered already, but my head is spinning from read pages and pages of this thread.
You can, so long as you're on 3G. If you're on GSM/EDGE, then no.
Now if I remember correctly, if you were tethering your data connection will drop when you get an incoming call. But while you're on the call, you can re-establish the data connection and do both at the same time. I HAVE done it. And you'll obviously want to use a head set.
I now the Treo 750 used to do this (drop the connection for an incoming call.) But I don't remember if the Tilt did this or not.
Im on the charter offer 1500 with the mmode unlimited and Fan 25% discount. Can i just put the sim i have in the Tilt and have everything work? i realized that i should sign up for different services, but the new unlimited voice doesnt allow for the fan and the unlimited data will cost a bunch more too. Any suggestions? I'd love to be able to tether so i dont need a mobile broadband account. Thanks
Can you tether and talk at the same time with your 3g iphone? Im on the fence between the two (iphone and tilt). but tethering at the same time is pretty important to me.
thanks
Can you tether and talk at the same time with your 3g iphone? Im on the fence between the two (iphone and tilt). but tethering at the same time is pretty important to me.
thanks
Well the iPhone can not tether at all. At least not officially.
I did get this app "NetShare" which does a quirky way of tethering becoming a wifi access point for your laptop as a "socks proxy" server, but it was available for about 1 hour before it got banned by Apple. So you can't get it anymore.
You'll have to jailbreak your iPhone to tether. Jailbreaking is pretty easy I understand. I haven't done it myself.
You SHOULD be able to tether and talk at the same time. I'd have to actually try it with Netshare. There is no reason it shouldn't work.
3G on AT&T (WCDMA) inherently supports this since data and voice all go over the same data channels unlike 2G (GSM/EDGE.)
So unless you want to deal with jailbreaking, you may have just fell off the Windows Mobile side of the fence.
I don't know if it's too rich for your blood, but if it's your cup of tea, the Palm Treo Pro is coming out very soon and is a nice alternative to the Tilt. http://www.palm.com/us/ But it's also being sold not through AT&T, but through Palm exclusively as an unlocked device and will be about $550. Ouch.
The Samsung Omnia aka AT&T Mirage may be the absolute best compromise between both. Heck I'm even tempted.
Also the AT&T Fuze (HTC touch Pro) will be coming soon. It's a direct competitor to the AT&T Mirage. But one review I read says the Mirage wins by a neck. So I'm sure each has their draws. The Mirage will have Opera as a web browser which is said to be "better" than the iPhone's Safari. (shrug)
I'm not trying to talk you out of the iPhone. Just trying to show you that there are non-iPhone choices coming soon that look like they COULD be better for you.
The Mirage and Fuze are both expected to be sold by AT&T and at a subsidized discount, of course. I'm sure they'll be around $450.00 and be eligible for a $50 or so mail in rebate for getting the data plan (as usual.) Just an educated guess.
All windows mobile devices support tethering (so far) and these three should be no different. It's very convenient through bluetooth using "bluetooth PAN" with an included app from Microsoft. You absolutely should be able to do both at the same time.
I actually put my SIM in my Tilt to tether. I don't even try to it with the iPhone because it's a pain in the (rear.)
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