Reply With QuoteNice! I wonder if Hamilton is HSPA now. Maybe AT&T is starting to kick things into gear.Originally Posted by zephxiii
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I was just in Saugatuk/Douglas Michigan and I pretty much had HSPA the entire time so I think they launched it there as I just looked at the map and it shows that area as EDGE only.
Also I am curious to see if they lit up I80 towards Toledo as last year I remember seeing random UMTS cells in field test along that stretch just like I saw them along that stretch of I69 in Michigan.
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Nice! I wonder if Hamilton is HSPA now. Maybe AT&T is starting to kick things into gear.
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Rejection is not failure.
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I am holding AT&T to what they declared to the FCC, which is HSPA+ to the entire footprint by the end of the year.
http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7021686831
See page 81 of statement to FCC.
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That document is entirely a "What we will and can do if the T-Mobile merger occurs" treatise, filed in defense of opposition to the proposed merger. That merger did not happen, therefore, any claims as to what they will do if the merger DOES occur are no longer valid, unfortunately.
Also, on page 81 it says nothing about upgrading 3G area to HSPA+. What it does say is: "the fact that AT&T already will deploy HSPA+4G service to 97 percent of the population by the end of 2012, AT&T concluded that an 80 percent deployment was as much as could be justified on a standalone basis."
HSPA+ to 97% of the population is not the same as rolling out HSPA+ over their entire 3G footprint. And the 80% is in reference to an earlier statement in the document that without the T-Mobile merger, they would only be able to cover that percentage of the population Also elsewhere in the document, that 80% of the population would reside on only 55% of the land mass of the country.
Page 81 also says "The merger...giving AT&T additional spectrum, scale, scope, and resources that collectively enable AT&T to commit to increase its LTE deployment from 80 to 97 percent of the population." As we all know, the merger did not happen. AT&T did get additional spectrum, but we don't know how much of an increase there will be to that 80% of the population and 55% of the land mass they had initially said they would be able to cover if the merger did not take place.
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I don't get what you're saying. AT&T's entire native footprint is the 97% of coverage they refer to. They may never have roaming agreements to expand beyond that because of the tenuous relationship they have with rural carriers, but the 97% of the population is 303 million people that AT&T presently covers which is the native AT&T footprint. This was stated by AT&T in the reply to the joint opposition and is also probably in the redacted statements made by AT&T high ups in the questioning process done by the FCC. The FCC included this statement into the staff report on the merger calling for the FCC to reject the merger. Also one of the very reasons the FCC rejected the merger in the staff report was the FCC's firm belief that AT&T would eventually expand LTE to the entire native footprint due to competitive pressures exerted by Verizon and other carriers planning their own LTE deployment. This can be done with spectrum reframing, much like it is with WCDMA/HSPA+ deployment.
Finally, the staff report cited that AT&T would expand to the entire native footprint with HSPA+ by the end of 2012 regardless of whether the merger would be approved or not.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-11-1955A2.pdf
Relevant passage on page 99.
Regardless of the proposed transaction, AT&T's most recently announced plans call for extending HSPA+ mobile broadband to its full wireless footprint, covering 97% of all Americans by the end of 2012.
Last edited by fraydog; 05-28-2012 at 06:13 PM.
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fraydog, those statements are not binding in any way. It's their plan, or was, and I honestly think they'll make it by early 2013 at the latest, but it's nothing they're bound to.
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The inclusion of them in the staff report leads me to believe they will either be complete by then, or very close, as I'm guessing the reasoning for the FCC to include them would be that they may have also made statements about HSPA+ expansion to the FCC on the sworn, redacted record.
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A&T would have to double their 3G/HSPA+"4G" coverage area in Texas in the next 6 months to accomplish that goal. Ain't gonna happen. Not in all that desert area of west Texas. I just don't see it.
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If they don't, it's more lack of will than effort level. We're talking vast areas served by cells that are blasting at the 22 mile limit right now and can probably go over that with WCDMA.
Based on the voice coverage maps I'm guessing we're talking 100 cell sites covering a metric ton of miles. If AT&T wants to do it they can run microwave from long lines sites to the rural cell sites.
They are in over their head in NE Michigan. That's a bigger chunk of way more difficult terrain.
Last edited by fraydog; 05-28-2012 at 09:00 PM.
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Does anyone know if there is or was anything announced on AT&T taking over or getting some type of different roaming agreement with TMo on the failed merger? The reason I ask is normally traveling I90 from the East side of WI all the way to just outside Madison, the only coverage is Tmo, network code 330. This weekend traveling it, my phone should "AT&T" like it was native coverage but it was network code 330 which is Tmos. My phone says "Off Network" when roaming (per my request to AT&T) so it was quite weird. I know a few reps from AT&T mentioned they were adding towers this year on I90 but perhaps they are doing something different.
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I just got notification that Columbia City, IN is getting 3g. This adds up as months ago I noticed ATT trucks heading that way and I also noticed a panel configuration change on an original 1900mhz AT&T site. It looks like the entire stretch of US30 may get lit up as Plymouth IN on the other side of Warsaw's 3G coverage is to get it as well.
What's hilarious is that AT&T is going to and already has more 3g coverage than Sprint's native network in the top 3rd of Indiana.
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Who is Sprint?
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That's actually pretty sad. I can understand Alaska not having 3g by now but not US 30. That is a heavily traveled route--I use it all the time.
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Is the entire 3G gap around Warsaw being filled?
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