Ok, on my older LG's I could change the ICE list, which came in handy because I could lock my phone and still call a few numbers without unlocking it. Anyhow, my 8300 does not APPEAR to have this as an option that I can changed. I checked all the phone menus, SVC menu, I've snooped in QPST and LG Download and still came up empty handed. Does anyone with a VX 8300 know how to disable this "feature"? It seems to me that if 911 was no longer an "emergency" number, we would no longer get an alarm.
Incidentally I heard an article on the news this morning where someone's E911 wasn't working and thus he had to deliver the address info to the regional 911 operator, who then incorrectly relayed the info to dispatch. This resulted in a death because the ambulance didn't get there in time. Nice. I wonder if this was another HoFo subscriber who disabled their 911 alarm.
I'm not completely sure, but I don't think E911 has much to do with the 911 alarm. Not to mention that I don't think there's any real (direct/simple) way to disable E911 on today's phones, at least not without doing some extensive work and/or screwing something up with the phone in general.
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It is either always on, or set only to activate when dialing emergency #s. The cell knows it is an emergency, because the # is in the list. It is meant to allow 911 operators know where you are when a 911 from a modern cell call comes in. There has been stories of people in a car crash dialing 911, but help could not find them. (police, EMS, etc) People calling 911 after driving off the road and banging their head often do not remember or know where they were right before the crash. If you remove 911 from the list, Location (GPS) 911 will no longer work if your local 911 service has the feature.
That's the thing I was getting at. If it's removed from the emergency list, it's no longer treated as a 911 call -- effectively disabling AGPS. Since it's not processed as an emergency call, theoretically Location being set to ON doesn't affect anything in reality becuase whether it's a 911 only or Location ON when emergency mode doesn't come into play, nothing triggers AGPS to begin sending a location.
The other thing is that it is important to keep in mind just becuase 911 was removed from the list, it doesn't mean the phone still won't treat 911 as a number to trigger Emergency Mode. In my Motos, I could pull 911 as an emergency number from the NAM programming and the phone still would treat 911 as an Emergency Mode trigger. It doesn't always work. On the LGs I've had, there isn't even a list: just an "emergency test mode" you can plug any number into.
If an Amp'd Hollywood is left in the forest... and no carrier is around to push a bogus PRL, is it still something more than a brick?
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I've been playing with cellular devices WAY too long...
Yes it is. Welcome to the legal system where you can get sued for not following obscure yet established government agency policies that were put into place to "help" a smaller group of people but sometimes at the cost of being useful (and in fact the opposite) to the rest.
That why we have nice big warnings on McDonald's coffee cups that your coffee may be hot........or the instruction manual of lawn mowers have warnings that you may be injured if you lift the lawn mower up in the air to try to mow a hedge. People are stupid enough to try it and sue the company because they didn't warn them.
That's the thing I was getting at. If it's removed from the emergency list, it's no longer treated as a 911 call -- effectively disabling AGPS. Since it's not processed as an emergency call, theoretically Location being set to ON doesn't affect anything in reality becuase whether it's a 911 only or Location ON when emergency mode doesn't come into play, nothing triggers AGPS to begin sending a location.
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Although the details vary depending upon the capabilities of the legacy network elements
and the interface or interfaces chosen, call processing in Phase II implementations is
similar to that described for Phase I since the same basic steps are required. When a
wireless carrier’s MSC receives a 911 call, the Position Determination Equipment
(“PDE”) locates the mobile terminal either at the start of the call or while the call is in
progress. The MPC uses the XY coordinates to interrogate a Coordinate Routing Data
Base (“CRDB”). The CRDB returns the information necessary to forward the call to the
proper E911 Control Office or Selective Router. The MSC forwards the call and Phase I
pseudo telephone number to the E911 Control Office. The E911 Control Office uses the
information stored in the Selective Router Data Base to deliver the call and pseudo
telephone number to the proper PSAP. When the MPC locates the mobile terminal, it
also pushes the pseudo telephone number, call back number and location information
(XY coordinates) to the ALI data base over the separate data link. When the PSAP’s
CPE receives the call and pseudo telephone number from the E911 Control Office or
Selective Router, it queries the ALI data base using the pseudo telephone number. The
ALI data base returns the call back number and Phase II location information which is
then processed and made available to the dispatcher. Note that during the call, the
location information can be refreshed over the data link between the MPC and the ALI
data base.
As a police dispatcher that also happens to answer the 911 calls as well, I really wish people wouldn't mess with their phones when it comes to the 911 options, as far as turning stuff off. God forbid you're the one who goes over an embankment and can't be seen from the highway, and the only way for us to find you is by the ALI Tracker or the GPS latitude and longitude corridinates that are displayed when you call 911.
I agree that the alarm that goes off on your phones could potentially be dangerous, and shouldn't be there, or at least be an option to turn off. All it will take is one tragedy where someone dies as a result of this "alarm", and the lawsuit that will surely follow for the phone manufacturers to have this removed.
As a police dispatcher that also happens to answer the 911 calls as well, I really wish people wouldn't mess with their phones when it comes to the 911 options, as far as turning stuff off. God forbid you're the one who goes over an embankment and can't be seen from the highway, and the only way for us to find you is by the ALI Tracker or the GPS latitude and longitude corridinates that are displayed when you call 911.
I agree that the alarm that goes off on your phones could potentially be dangerous, and shouldn't be there, or at least be an option to turn off. All it will take is one tragedy where someone dies as a result of this "alarm", and the lawsuit that will surely follow for the phone manufacturers to have this removed.
It's sad that this is even mentioned. Where society has come to this. I really hope it doesn't take someone dying, due to their abductors or robbers hearing the phone, in order for this to be changed.
I was playing with my KRZR.
In the programming menu I found the emergency numbers, (911, *911 & #911). Any of these numbers if dialed will trip the phone in to “emergency mode”.
I changed one of the emergency numbers to something else and tried it out. After pressing sent the phone made an auditable tone, and the display banner reads “Emergency mode”. Now for the tone, It really wasn’t that loud. It was just slightly louder then dialing the phone. Switch the phone to speaker phone and dial and that’s how load the “emergency tone” was.
Well any way now if I need to call 911 and stay hiding, on my phone I can dial #911
It's sad that this is even mentioned. Where society has come to this. I really hope it doesn't take someone dying, due to their abductors or robbers hearing the phone, in order for this to be changed.
FCC better get off their high horse and clarify (and modify) their requirements about all of this. Otherwise, the carriers and/or manufacturers will be in quite a bit of trouble whether they do it (if something actually happens, as described above) or whether they don't (if someone, for whatever reasons, decides to sue them based on the the very loose requirement the FCC seems to have right now).
So I guess this means that the carrier really doesn't have anything to do with it, it is the manufacturer of the phone that creates the firmware.
FWIW, I think it is funny how everyone automatically assumes that the carrier is behind everything......and Verizon has become the Microsoft of the wireless world....the 800 pound gorilla that everyone loves to hate.
They complain that Verizon cripples their phones so you have to buy ringtones through GIN, and yet Apple crippled the iPhone so you have to pay them for a ringtone, even if you've already paid for the song....and yet everyone says how great the Jesus phone is.
So very right you are...
BTW: RAZR v3m FW: 01.19.05(based more on VZs FW than Motorolas FW) emits the tone but 01.09.02 does NOT(based more off motorola FW than VZ)
So in other words stock motorola UI will not. It seems to be that all newer VZW phones have the alarm.
I'm not completely sure, but I don't think E911 has much to do with the 911 alarm. Not to mention that I don't think there's any real (direct/simple) way to disable E911 on today's phones, at least not without doing some extensive work and/or screwing something up with the phone in general.
I wasn't talking about e911 per se. What I was getting at is what was mentioned in the next couple of posts, taking 911 off of the ICE list (the #911, etc) would stop the phone from entering emergency mode and (I thought) transmitting e911 data. So by extension you would get the effect of turning of e911 if this is the case, but more what I was getting at is taking 911 off of the list that would put it into emergency mode. Is this written into the firmware on the 8300? On my 8100 I could change it with ease, but I can't seem to figure it out on my 8300.
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