Clock and Wallpaper Advanced

[Limadawg]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/22/915465/R2D2.rar

[mkleiman]

I'm not even going to ask how you wrote the code for this one.

If I had to wager ONE MILLION DOLLARS I'd guess that he "borrowed" the code, script and graphics from here:

http://wiki.chumby.com/mediawiki/ind...y_Clock_Widget

screenshot:



and then posted it as his own work without giving credit or attribution to original author, which is presumably fine, since the ACTUAL author of the code and graphics was nice enough to make the unprotected fla file FREELY available so that other people could use and improve on the code.

It was pretty easy to find too -- five minutes on Google (search: "flash binary clock") and I found over a dozen FREE scripts, including the one zeroplace "borrowed" and locked up.

By the way, zeroplace, the script that you "borrowed" was released under the GNU General Public License (see http://wiki.chumby.com/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page), which requires, among other things that "if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights." Releasing a locked fla file without also distributing the source code would be a violation of the license for the code you "borrowed." Just a friendly reminder.

I'm not going to editorialize further on the point, because at this point I'd only be making personal attacks. But, in all honestly, I think this example unequivocally proves the point that I and others have made in this thread. As always, draw your own conclusions.

[xmguy]

Frankly I could give a damn who wrote it. If Zero or anyone else. Just share and STOP nitpicking on these stupid and childish issues.

[zeroplace]

If I had to wager ONE MILLION DOLLARS I'd guess that he "borrowed" the code, script and graphics from here:

http://wiki.chumby.com/mediawiki/ind...y_Clock_Widget

screenshot:



and then posted it as his own work without giving credit or attribution to original author, which is presumably fine, since the ACTUAL author of the code and graphics was nice enough to make the unprotected fla file FREELY available so that other people could use and improve on the code.

It was pretty easy to find too -- five minutes on Google (search: "flash binary clock") and I found over a dozen FREE scripts, including the one zeroplace "borrowed" and locked up.

By the way, zeroplace, the script that you "borrowed" was released under the GNU General Public License (see http://wiki.chumby.com/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page), which requires, among other things that "if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights." Releasing a locked fla file without also distributing the source code would be a violation of the license for the code you "borrowed." Just a friendly reminder.

I'm not going to editorialize further on the point, because at this point I'd only be making personal attacks. But, in all honestly, I think this example unequivocally proves the point that I and others have made in this thread. As always, draw your own conclusions.

I never claimed to create that one. I just said "Here you go". Im too old to be romper-rooming here.

[themopedwhiz]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/22/915465/R2D2.rar

that one is great, i love it..

thanks

[DJ_Osiris]

Frankly I could give a damn who wrote it. If Zero or anyone else. Just share and STOP nitpicking on these stupid and childish issues.

In pure retrospect.... I can't help but agree with phfrks1 here....

This debate, if we can even call it that, has gotten entriely way out of hand. Honestly, man? Where is the love?

[mkleiman]

Honestly, man? Where is the love?

To be clear, I have respect for everyone who takes the time to share their work with the community. Whether its posting wallpapers, system menu hacks, video conversion tips, or whatever ... that's what makes the forum valuable. This is true for the efforts of zeroplace and bonez.

The problem, from my perspective, is that these two folks, in particular, released their contributions in such a manner that no one else could build on their work or modify it to suit their preferences. Taking the binary clock wallpaper that zeroplace posted as an example ... suppose I wanted the lights to be green instead of red. Ideally, I'd simply make the change myself and be happy. Possibly I'd even post my new green version here, and possibly others would prefer it to the red version, or it would encourage them to create a pink version, or it would lead to the cure for the common code. In any event, the world is a better place if both the red and green options exist.

However, zeroplace locked his file (and for no discernible reason considering that he didn't even write the code and he didn't create the images). Whatever his reason, because the file is locked I can't easily make the lights green. I don't like that, and I might therefore express my opinion on the topic. What put me over the edge was when bonez makes a post that essentially says "you'll take your red lights and like 'em." It is surprising that such a position would rub me the wrong way?

Some of you may think this "debate" is petty or nitpicking. That's fine; you're entitled to your opinion. However, for some people, like me, this is an extremely important issue, and as long as the discourse remains civil, I think its entirely appropriate that these issues get aired.

[xmguy]

To be clear, I have respect for everyone who takes the time to share their work with the community. Whether its posting wallpapers, system menu hacks, video conversion tips, or whatever ... that's what makes the forum valuable. This is true for the efforts of zeroplace and bonez.

The problem, from my perspective, is that these two folks, in particular, released their contributions in such a manner that no one else could build on their work or modify it to suit their preferences. Taking the binary clock wallpaper that zeroplace posted as an example ... suppose I wanted the lights to be green instead of red. Ideally, I'd simply make the change myself and be happy. Possibly I'd even post my new green version here, and possibly others would prefer it to the red version, or it would encourage them to create a pink version, or it would lead to the cure for the common code. In any event, the world is a better place if both the red and green options exist.

However, zeroplace locked his file (and for no discernible reason considering that he didn't even write the code and he didn't create the images). Whatever his reason, because the file is locked I can't easily make the lights green. I don't like that, and I might therefore express my opinion on the topic. What put me over the edge was when bonez makes a post that essentially says "you'll take your red lights and like 'em." It is surprising that such a position would rub me the wrong way?

Some of you may think this "debate" is petty or nitpicking. That's fine; you're entitled to your opinion. However, for some people, like me, this is an extremely important issue, and as long as the discourse remains civil, I think its entirely appropriate that these issues get aired.

If you wanted a "unlocked" copy of the fla file. Why didn't you PM Zero or BoneZ, who ever wrote the code and ask him if he could privately send you a copy for your use? I just want this move move on and get back to posting our creations, borrowings, what and where ever you got them. In the end isn't that what counts?

[HeSkis1]

If you wanted a "unlocked" copy of the fla file. Why didn't you PM Zero or BoneZ, who ever wrote the code and ask him if he could privately send you a copy for your use? I just want this move move on and get back to posting our creations, borrowings, what and where ever you got them. In the end isn't that what counts?

No, actually, that isn't what counts. First, there's no reason to ask for something like the codes they are using in a PM rather than in the open forum. If they WERE willing to share the code, why would it only be to a few people privately and not the entire forum? That wouldn't make sense. And mkleiman didn't ask for the code. He voiced his opinion about hoarding the code as if they had created a cure for cancer and could hope to profit from them in some way. What actually counts was their wannabe-elitist attitude when people did ask for the code openly. There would have been no problem at all if a simple answer of "No, I am not willing to openly distribute the code I created/'borrowed' at this time". Instead, it had to be a lecture about how much time THEY had to put into learning the technique from scratch and how much money their software costs so nobody else should be able to build upon their experience. Every single person should start from scratch in order to write these Holy Grails of flash wallpaper clocks. It was the attitude behind it that pissed people off, not their refusal to post the code. I haven't seen one person suggesting that either of them should HAVE to post anything they didn't want to post.

[-BoneZ-]

All i was trying to do was to explain why people don't give up their code/scripts. I'm sorry that some people still don't understand. There's no attitude or disrespect here. This thread was started by someone who has the resources and time to help out this community and make our phones look a little cooler. Of course requests can be answered and fulfilled to anybody's likings. When i filled a request, i let the person know that if there was anything at all he wanted changed, it would be no problem. Alot, if not most, people visiting this thread do not have the software or the knowledge of how to do this. If you do have the software, then there are numerous tutorials on the net to show you how to do what you want to do.

I have had the software for years and never used it until now. I asked Zero a few questions, but could immediately tell that he wasn't giving up his code. I wasn't upset about that because most coders don't. Anyone in the web developing community knows this and i'm sorry some of you don't know or don't understand why. When i had a few questions on how to do certain things or didn't understand something, Zero answered every time with what i needed to know so that i could do this myself after Googling the tutorials. He helped me because he could see i was trying to do it myself. For someone to get upset that he doesn't give all his code and everything up, is someone who doesn't want to do any work and wants everything for free. Sorry, that's not the way the world works.

If you have the software, it takes less than a minute to Google a tutorial, then copy the code into your software and make your clock. I don't see why this is so difficult. What takes the longest is changing the code to make it do what you want it to do and make your design look like how you want it.

Everyone is allowed to have their opinions and some of you have even distorted and twisted facts to suit your rants. I'm not going to respond to those, other than to say that this is my last post in this thread (not that anyone cares) until this thread gets back on topic.

Got a request? I think those of us who are able, are happy to fulfill it. Want it to look a certain way? Let us know, i don't see why it should be a problem to make it look how you want it. Want to learn how to do it yourself and have the software and Googled the tutorials, but still having problems? Feel free to ask and we should be able to help.

Now let's get this thread back on track. It's a waste of space and doesn't look too good to newbies that come to visit this forum.

[themopedwhiz]

What takes the longest is changing the code to make it do what you want it to do and make your design look like how you want it.

yes this is where 'talent & experience' comes in, this is what turns a piece of non-descript code into a piece of art..

not the piece of code being hoarded, and treated like its the holy grail

[dizzaron!]

Excuse me? And who are you? For those "more experienced" with Flash, they would already know how to do these clocks. I had never used Flash before and i am now able to make these clocks.

Script writers don't usually give their scripts out freely. If you want to make these clocks like a few of us can, then google the tutorials like i did and learn something.

Uhm, I don't think there was any reason for you to come at me like that.
I've dabbled in Flash before & I've looked at tutorials. Made some clocks already, yadayadayada. I was asking for zero's iPhone style one so that I may change the backgroung from the clownfish whilst keeping the style of clock.

I understand the script writers don't usually give out their work for free, which is why I asked Zero in the first place. I don't feel like you should've gotten snappy with me, & I'm not mad at zero for not psting up the code. & As for that "Go-read-a-tutorial-and-learn-someething-blahblahblah" crap, I already have. Kthnx. -___-

[-BoneZ-]

Uhm, I don't think there was any reason for you to come at me like that.

Sorry, but your post made it sound like Zero wasn't experienced enough and should post his unprotected .fla files "for those more experienced with flash", making it sound like Zero wasn't experienced enough and that others with "more experience" should take over.

I understand the script writers don't usually give out their work for free

I'm glad you understand, unfortunately there are a few here that don't and never will understand.

[egootee102]

Ok Gang! For those who wnted the i-Phone clock and Clown Fish wallpaper, I have done the very best I could and completed it. It is, however, larger in size because I had to embed the fonts into the file so the Voyager would not override the font setting. So here you go. I hope you like it. I have tested it on my Voyager and it looks good and it works just as good.

i-Phone Clock w/Clownfish Wallpaper for the Voyager

Hey sorry to be a pain, but do you think you could like reload this or something??? When I click on the link it just says the page cannot be found. I would totally LOVE to have this on my phone. Thanks sooooo much.

[xmguy]

I'll admit. I as most asked some requests from the masters of this software. I then wanted to try my hand. So I got a copy of mx 2004 and was HIGHLY overwhelmed. So I'll publicly ask if anyone has any good links on the action script. I was able to design my own with a step by step guide. I don't want some guide doing the work. That prevents me from going past the limits of the designers code and work. I understand that each action must be tied to a command. I've looked and studied the get... library in mx 2004. But still I'm lost. So if anyone can help I'd appreciate it.

Thanks