Until the open device policy arrives, I wouldn't expect them to activate non-VZW-branded devices.
They did make a press release in November 2007 that the policy would be implemented in 2008. I already made my post in the Class Action thread. I'll wait until 1/1/2009.
They did make a press release in November 2007 that the policy would be implemented in 2008. I already made my post in the Class Action thread. I'll wait until 1/1/2009.
You lost me here. Verizon just announced today that the first phone has been certified by Verizon's open device plan (and a machine to machine device a month ago). It is AirVoice's choice now --- of when and how they are going to launch this phone.
What if --- in this economy --- no other businesses are willing to actually spend the money to launch a product under the Verizon open device plan?
Are you going to sue Verizon if AirVoice chickens out the last minute --- because AirVoice's investors don't want to launch in this economy.
Verizon has satisfied their end of the deal already.
The tech is definitely not being fully truthful here.
I have a SE T607, a phone that says "Verizon" on it, and yes, supports E911, GIN, etc. However, VZW refuses to activate it. My guess is that mostly because there were so very few of them, it has fallen off their lists. But that does not change the fact that it says "Verizon" on it.
The T607 is an odd one. They never passed final approval. You have a prototype/pre-production model. SE pulled the plug on all CDMA support right before it was suppose to have launched, (I even had a dummy, and advertising materials for it) Somehow a few ended up out there in the wild, but it never was lanuched by SE or VZW. Hence, the ESN range was never entered into the database.
Hi there. I'm the guy on the other side of the counter. If you're a jerk to me, guess how hard I'm going to try to help you?
You lost me here. Verizon just announced today that the first phone has been certified by Verizon's open device plan (and a machine to machine device a month ago). It is AirVoice's choice now --- of when and how they are going to launch this phone...
Verizon has satisfied their end of the deal already.
Not really. The new policy announced was "Verizon Wireless today announced that it will provide customers the option to use, on its nationwide wireless network, wireless devices, software and applications not offered by the company. Verizon Wireless plans to have this new choice available to customers throughout the country by the end of 2008."
1. The choices weren't just supposed to be Verizon phones.
2. You still can't activate phones from other carriers, even if they have been flashed to VZ firmware, unless they have an approved VZ ESN.
Not really. The new policy announced was "Verizon Wireless today announced that it will provide customers the option to use, on its nationwide wireless network, wireless devices, software and applications not offered by the company. Verizon Wireless plans to have this new choice available to customers throughout the country by the end of 2008."
1. The choices weren't just supposed to be Verizon phones.
2. You still can't activate phones from other carriers, even if they have been flashed to VZ firmware, unless they have an approved VZ ESN.
And they aren't Verizon phones --- they are AirVoice phones certified by Verizon.
Nobody said that they will activate phones from other carriers. They only said that customers can use non-Verizon phones that were certified by Verizon.
If you want to sue --- you have to actually look into the original open development policy itself, not a 2 sentence thing from their press release announcing the open development policy.
The fact that VZW appoints itself as the gatekeeper as far as what phones people are "allowed" to use is ridiculous in and by itself. They're living way in the past with this nonsense (see Carterphone). VZW needs to focus on providing the service, not the equipment. I'd go with post #8 on that subject.
I am a little confused. My Verizon phone was able to roam on GSM because they used TDMA. Tell it was shutdown. The phone recognizes it as Analog. If PCS has TDMA, It could be technically be used on GSM.
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Y'know, I'm used to hysterical 14-year-old ******** on the internet, but this is exceptional. Never before in human history have so many nerds hyperventilated so publicly over so little.
The fact that VZW appoints itself as the gatekeeper as far as what phones people are "allowed" to use is ridiculous in and by itself.
Its their network. Of course they get to decide what gets connected.
VZW will certify third party phones. The third party can then sell those phones for activation on VZW's network. But as mentioned, it is only those phones. It is not, and never intended to be, just any ol' phone a single customer wants to pick up (on eBay?) and activate.
I guess we might see someday "Walmart phones for Verizon Wireless". That's because, IMHO, only Walmart would be able to market a retail price cell phone for less than the subsidized phones that Verizon sells.
The fact that VZW appoints itself as the gatekeeper as far as what phones people are "allowed" to use is ridiculous in and by itself. They're living way in the past with this nonsense (see Carterphone). VZW needs to focus on providing the service, not the equipment. I'd go with post #8 on that subject.
Actually, They HAVE to to some exent.
Verizon is required to prove to the FCC on a regular basis that a percentage of phones on the network are E911 compliant, and that they are not allowing non-e911 compliant phones to be activated, otherwise they can be stuck with HUGE fines from the FCC.
GSM carriers here in the US don't have this problem because the system they use for thier E911 is based on tower location software handled by the network. So any GSM phone is instantly E911 ready.
Verizon, on the other hand chose to use a handset based system (aGPS) so there is only one way of knowing what phones are E911 compliant, and thats to track them by ESN. This is why you can't activate phones that aren't in Verizon's ESN database anymore, and you use to be able to a few years back.
Verizon doesn't make it any easier by being pig-headed about adding compliant phones to the ESNs database, but they do have a very valid reason to restrict hardware.
I think you have to mail your phone off for 3 weeks before it can be activated on VZW now. There was a list of compatible phone that were the exact same phone on Verizon and Alltel like LG AX or VX 8600, but the phone's ESN has to be loaded into the database and certified.
VZW needs to focus on providing the service, not the equipment. I'd go with post #8 on that subject.
The 2 are related.
Just look at the 3G iphone --- the whole reception problem is brought by an immature Infineon chipset that transmit more power than necessary, causing problems for other AT&T users in the neighbourhood.
That was a software error that was corrected in firmware version 2.0.2. Not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread.
Equipment is standardized for a reason - so it's interchangeable. How come AT&T and T-Mobile don't need to "verify and approve" a handset before allowing it onto their network? Right, because it meets the GSM/UMTS standards which is already verified by the manufacturer and the FCC. There's no reason for the carrier to get into that game, unless they want to control and direct people's content consumption.
Let's face it, all this talk about network reliability and e911 is just an excuse to uphold the walled garden philosophy, which in turn is designed to maximize VZW's profits by controlling access to content and by offering and supplying media content and applications themselves (at higher prices), rather than the user obtaining those on the open market.
That was a software error that was corrected in firmware version 2.0.2. Not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread.
Equipment is standardized for a reason - so it's interchangeable. How come AT&T and T-Mobile don't need to "verify and approve" a handset before allowing it onto their network? Right, because it meets the GSM/UMTS standards which is already verified by the manufacturer and the FCC. There's no reason for the carrier to get into that game, unless they want to control and direct people's content consumption.
Let's face it, all this talk about network reliability and e911 is just an excuse to uphold the walled garden philosophy, which in turn is designed to maximize VZW's profits by controlling access to content and by offering and supplying media content and applications themselves (at higher prices), rather than the user obtaining those on the open market.
If Verizon is selling the iphone --- they would have caught the problem with their testing.
Equipment standardization means nothing --- it's the lowest common denominator --- that's why the mobile telecom industry is one of the industries that receives the most complaints. Verizon is willing to go beyond industry standardization --- that's why they are beating the other carriers in terms of customer satisfaction.
Let's face it --- for all the talk about how open the GSM world is, the world's most locked up phone is the iphone.
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That's because, IMHO, only Walmart would be able to market a retail price cell phone for less than the subsidized phones that Verizon sells.
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