McCain Palin straight talk express derailed now with video proof.

[Wolverine!]

Saw this on a different forum website though it needed more attention.



I won't post smears or attacks I simply will let John McCain expose himself to the voters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsX2Gx9jl_o Mccain himself in his own words


Mccain Palin have recently gone all negative against Obama calling him a terrorist and having ties to Bill Ayers. But I'll let Mccain and his video speak for itself and let the voter be the judge.

This is McCain's last best hope and its back firing


This is high political theater spiced up by Karma kicking Mccain square in the face


Also

I was JUST watching about this on MSNBC. Isn't it frustrating that while the Dow loses nearly 800 points, McCain's camp is admitting that focusing on the economy is a BAD IDEA for them? How the f*ck is that "country first"?

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/...nomy-lost/ his own staff.

this is what happens when your own staffer admit that if we keep talking about the economy we loose. At least we know 1 person at Mccain's staff is still riding on the Straight talk express.

[matt314159]

Let's not forget that Obama pledged to transcend negative politics and run a positive campaign at the beginning as well. He has also broken that promise.

Nobody has called him a terrorist. They are, however, pointing out his poor judgment in his choice of the company he keeps. I think it's fair game.

Conversely, if the Obama Campaign wants to focus on Palin's previously friendly ties with the Alaska Independence Party and McCain's ties to Keating, all the more power to them. Once they've opened up those doors, it's all fair.

It has recently been revealed that Bill Ayers and Obama had a closer relationship than just "a guy from my neighborhood". They weren't best buddies, but it was closer than Obama had initially described it as.However with the economic crisis, it was kind of drowned out. I think Americans have a right to know the kind of associates the candidates ---all the candidates---keep. Then they can judge for themselves.

[newtype]

Let's not forget that Obama pledged to transcend negative politics and run a positive campaign at the beginning as well. He has also broken that promise.

Nobody has called him a terrorist. They are, however, pointing out his poor judgment in his choice of the company he keeps. I think it's fair game.

Conversely, if the Obama Campaign wants to focus on Palin's previously friendly ties with the Alaska Independence Party and McCain's ties to Keating, all the more power to them. Once they've opened up those doors, it's all fair.

It has recently been revealed that Bill Ayers and Obama had a closer relationship than just "a guy from my neighborhood". They weren't best buddies, but it was closer than Obama had initially described it as.However with the economic crisis, it was kind of drowned out. I think Americans have a right to know the kind of associates the candidates ---all the candidates---keep. Then they can judge for themselves.

True...

everyone forgets about the Keating 5.

Oh, and I'm mildly shocked by your sig, haha. I didn't think you were one to go there -

[matt314159]

Well, in a way the sig summarizes how I feel about this election. I'm not quite so much a McPalin supporter (though I do try), as I am a fervent opponent to the far left principles that Obama stands for. Socialism may be a strong word for it, but I liked the graphic so I nabbed it. Hope it's not too offensive.

[z4man]

Let's not forget that Obama pledged to transcend negative politics and run a positive campaign at the beginning as well. He has also broken that promise.

Obama's not going to "lay down and die" like Kerry or Dukakis. Maybe if McCain had something positive to offer about his own candidacy, this wouldn't be necessary.

Nobody has called him a terrorist.

Yes they have.

It has recently been revealed that Bill Ayers and Obama had a closer relationship than just "a guy from my neighborhood".

No it hasn't. This was "explored" a year ago, and again 6 months ago. The campaign is flat out of things for Palin to say on the campaign trail (she's worn-out the "Thanks but no thanks" bull), so they're having her drum it up, again. Nothing about it is new.

[mustang492]

There are droves of videos on youtube of Mccain contradicting himself, sometimes in the same interview. He gets confused alot, and angry when he feels people dont understand his point. Chris Matthews had a good point about debates. Turn the volume down and see how the candidates look. When you do that, Mccain comes across a little irate at times, and looks like he yelling at the cashier for not giving him his senior discount at McDonalds.

[newtype]

Well, in a way the sig summarizes how I feel about this election. I'm not quite so much a McPalin supporter (though I do try), as I am a fervent opponent to the far left principles that Obama stands for. Socialism may be a strong word for it, but I liked the graphic so I nabbed it. Hope it's not too offensive.

Not at all, not at all.

If I knew who I was going for I would try to find/make a graphic myself

[matt314159]

Obama's not going to "lay down and die"...

Ohh, so poor Obama WANTS to run a positive campaign, but the big old mean republican party won't let him. He would if he could, but he can't so he won't. I get it. Poor obama. Sorry, but a broken promise is a broken promise.

Yes they have.

NICE comeback! However you're still wrong. Nobody in the McCain campaign has called him a terrorist. They said "palled around with domestic terrorists" which is going back to what I said before, questioning his judgment in the company he keeps. And that's fair.

No, it hasn't. This was "explored" a year ago, and again six months ago....Nothing about it is new

How about a few weeks ago when the University of Chicago at Illinois released documents that tied together Obama and Ayer's work on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? In case you missed it:

Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools - The Wall Street Journal - September 23, 2008
University of Illinois at Chicago releases papers with Barack Obama-William Ayers link - Chicago Sun Times - August 26, 2008
Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama's Relationship With Ayers - Fox News - August 26, 2008

Now you can dismiss it all you want, but explorations into it is fair, especially considering Obama dismissed Ayers as "A guy from my neighborhood" a year ago, saying he barely knew Ayers. From the WSJ article: "The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming "guilt by association." Yet the issue here isn't guilt by association; it's guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle.

[mustang492]

Not at all, not at all.

If I knew who I was going for I would try to find/make a graphic myself

Well I hardly think Obama can do more for Socialism than has already been done. Sure it sounds good to say, but I think everyone that says he's a Socialist, is standing in a pile of horse **** and complaining that something smells. We entered Socialism awhile ago. Get with it. Some interesting points were made here.

http://kindlingman.wordpress.com/200...st-government/

“U.S. surpasses USSR: Largest Socialist Government”

News flash! Dateline January 19, 2008: This week the United States of America surpassed the evil empire as the world’s largest Socialist government. The Old Soviet Union ( that was destroyed 20 years ago) could not hold a candle to the socialistic United States of America that we see today. After vanquishing one of the world’s most evil empires, the USA has adopted, adapted, or improved nearly all of the socialist tools to control business, industry, agriculture, trade, employment, wages, education, and citizenry. This week the USA topped the USSR by interfering in the contracts between citizens that bought homes (that they could not afford) and the mortgage providers that were losing money (because they made bad loans).

Further proof of the socialistic capacity of the United States of America is the bipartisan support in Congress for financial rescue packages for the mortgage brokers. Not to be out done by the $145 Billion package proposed by Premier President Bush, the current presidential candidates are calling for moratoriums on the enactment of foreclosure proceedings. These are legal proceedings between the mortgage companies and comrades that cannot afford the homes they live in. (Please note that just last year the Congress of the United States passed special bankruptcy legislation permitting citizens to have their homes taken from them by force. However, in this election year, the Congress has decided not to permit their laws to be used to make voters angry and possibly encourage votes for independent candidates. It is more important that the Parties keep control over America. )

This important financial rescue package comes with a sound American economy. (The government has declined to comment on the dichotomy that the economy can be ’sound’ as well as requiring a financial rescue.) For comrades, this will result in a monetary check from the government to each citizen just like the Soviet Union once had.

During the past 7 years, the USA has enacted secret surveillance of citizens, secret detention, and secret interrogation technicques for those comrades that may not be towing the Party line. When this is added to the already controlling education policies, agriculture entitlements, trade policies, and government-based “faith” initiatives, the USA emerged this week as the leading example of socialism in the world. The ability of the Premier President to declare any citizen an “enemy combatant” without regard for the Constitution has now permitted the President to legally imprison the leaders of either Party forever without charges and messy, time-consuming trials. The establishment of death chambers in Guantanamo will permit the next President to boldly claim he is protecting American values as he executes “unfaithfuls” in secret on foreign soil.

Still refusing to admit publicly that this socialist state exists, the USA promotes its election process as a shining example of democracy. Yet both halves of the Two Party system have enabled an expansion of federal powers that has not ebbed.

Hillary Clinton, a leading candidate to be the next Premier President, has called for large TV screens to be placed in government spaces to “educate” the public in government-approved child rearing techniques. Enabled by technology and the Republican Party’s insertion of “No Child Left Behind” federal programs into local community standards, both Republican and Democrat Parties have united to create a socialist world.

It is not yet known if totalitarianism will result from this American version of socialism, however, both Parties appear to want the line item veto to expand the powers of the Premier Presidency even further.

This is ReasonableCitizen signing off. If you don’t hear from me in a week, be wise, be quiet, be fertile, and raise more ReasonableCitizens to restore America.

Vote Responsibly. Save America.

[matt314159]

There are droves of videos on youtube of Mccain contradicting himself, sometimes in the same interview. He gets confused alot, and angry when he feels people dont understand his point. Chris Matthews had a good point about debates. Turn the volume down and see how the candidates look. When you do that, Mccain comes across a little irate at times, and looks like he yelling at the cashier for not giving him his senior discount at McDonalds.

There are plenty of videos where obama contradicts himself as well, it sucks, I know you don't want to hear this, but it's the same for both candidates. they're politicians and it's very hard to keep so many lies straight.

You're gonna quote Chris Matthews, the same guy with the non-gay man-crush on obama, who gets feelings running up his leg when Obama speaks? c'mon now, let's get back to reality here. Turn the volume down and you see one person who is a little more authentic and one person who is a very pretty specimen of the ultimate suave, polished, politician...Obama knows how to keep a poker face. big deal. At least you know where you stand with McCain since he's more direct and up-front.

[matt314159]

Well I hardly think Obama can do more for Socialism than has already been done. Sure it sounds good to say, but I think everyone that says he's a Socialist, is standing in a pile of horse **** and complaining that something smells. We entered Socialism awhile ago. Get with it. Some interesting points were made here.

http://kindlingman.wordpress.com/200...st-government/
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Wait, aren't you one of those ones who gripe and moan whenever people post "some guys' blog" expecting everybody to read it as gospel truth?

We're at a fork in the road. We've got one uber-liberal candidate who wants universal healthcare, exceedingly high taxes on the rich so he can redistribute that wealth to the poor through entitlement programs of all sorts, and the other candidate who has offered up a spending freeze for the next year of our government except for key programs, has promised to shrink government and has a record of such. In 2001 when McCain first opposed the bush tax cuts it wasn't because he was against tax cuts, it was because Bush's plan did not include a commiserate decrease in spending to balance things out. Again McCain doesn't just talk, he acts.

We may be looking at socialism, but that doesn't mean I have to "get with it" and accept it. We've got a choice here We can start turning away from those principles, or we can plunge into them headlong. It's our choice.

[Lightninrod]

Great sig Matt! I may 'borrow' it for other boards and emails. Socialists hate it when we call them on it.

Yes, our government has socialist's tendencies and programs and has had them for decades. The first of which was LBJ's(a dem for the youth here) Great Society which has wasted trillions of taxpayer dollars over the years. The promise was it would eliminate(or greatly reduce) poverty....and where are the poor today....? Still with us wouldn't you say with even more single-mother households because the sperm donor didn't hang around and support them.

So, I have to settle for the least "socialist" offered up for President and VP and that would be McCain/Palin.


Dan

[mustang492]

There are plenty of videos where obama contradicts himself as well, it sucks, I know you don't want to hear this, but it's the same for both candidates. they're politicians and it's very hard to keep so many lies straight.

You're gonna quote Chris Matthews, the same guy with the non-gay man-crush on obama, who gets feelings running up his leg when Obama speaks? c'mon now, let's get back to reality here. They've both politicians, they're both liars Turn the volume down and you see one person who is authentic and one person who is a very pretty specimen of the ultimate politician...Obama knows how to keep a poker face. big deal. At least you know where you stand with McCain since he's more direct and up-front.

Yeah but Mccain has so many years of experience his lies go far enought back to keep any youtuber busy for weeks. I know politicians lie. Thanks for that tidbit, up until now, I believed everything I've heard. Chris Mathews, whatever you believe, was actually quoting someone else(can't remember who), who was giving another angle to judging a candidates performance in a debate. It's not a be all, end all tatic for "who wins", just something to consider, and is interesting when viewed in that way. And I honestly don't know where Mccain stands because I can't think of one issue that you can't dig up a video of him saying one thing on Saturday, then something else on Sunday. He's direct and upfront, yes, but being direct and upfront about the same thing two different ways leaves people doing this .

[matt314159]

So, I have to settle for the least "socialist" offered up for President and VP and that would be McCain/Palin.

That is a much better way to put it. You, sir, have a gift with words.

[matt314159]

I honestly don't know where Mccain stands because I can't think of one issue that you can't dig up a video of him saying one thing on Saturday [in 1998], then something else on Sunday [in 2005]. He's direct and upfront, yes, but being direct and upfront about the same thing two different ways leaves people doing this .

Bold additions are mine.

I'm assuming you also realize there's a time and place for everything, right? Let's look at taxes for instance. McCain is for tax cuts as a general rule, but he believes that they should be accompanied by equivalent spending countermeasures to offset them. Common sense dictates that the money has got to come from somewhere. So when we were all doing okay in 2001, he voted against the bush tax cuts, partly because there was going to be no offset in spending to make up the deficit. But in 2003, when they were up for vote again, he voted for it, because of the way the economy was tanking, these would have a stimulating effect, which would be the lesser of two evils. Yet people will go and say he flip-flopped.

The same applies to Obama, so don't jump all over me on that. it's okay to change your mind when external circumstances warrant. Obama did so on oil drilling and the withdrawal of our troops. It's a fine and laudable thing. When time and circumstances change, certain policies change with it. And things certainly have changed over the last 25 years.

This is not to say there's no such thing as a valid flip flop. They've each got their share of both. And if Obama were in the United States legislature for 26 years, he'd have a mountain of them as well.