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    Oh yeah I forgot about voice and data... that really is a big one....

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    Quote Originally Posted by spano
    you hit the nail on the head there. also you will have more roaming options. and it would just be nice to know that you're buying a phone that wont be obsolete by the end of the year.
    roaming depends on roaming agreements, so if new ones aren't made then you still can't roam.

    it doesn't matter if its CDMA or HSPA since as soon as a phone hits the shelves its obsolete cuz something newer and improved is already in the works.
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    roaming with unlocked phones that have sim cards is what i mean. like im gonna pay the 8$/min telus would want for their roaming agreements!

    indeed, everything is obsolete once it hits the shelves, but its one thing to have a newer revision of a product etc etc and its another to have a totally different protocol/technology supported...one that is being migrated to in the near future and one that some people will be stuck on for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E-POTS
    there's nothing to unlock, since the radio for NA 3G was never installed in the storm.
    The Storm (and soon, the Tour) come with the RTR 6285 RF transmitter which supports MULTI-BAND UTMS. So yes, the radio is there.

    Please refer to the links i have posted with the datasheets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spano
    The Storm (and soon, the Tour) come with the RTR 6285 RF transmitter which supports MULTI-BAND UTMS. So yes, the radio is there.

    Please refer to the links i have posted with the datasheets.

    so in dumb-guy terms for people like me.................will the Tour support the new HSPA band out of the box?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by paullibby
    so in dumb-guy terms for people like me.................will the Tour support the new HSPA band out of the box?

    thanks
    No.

    The Tour has the North American HSPA abilities completely blocked and disabled. Some people have pipe dreams of enabling it via hacking, and thus "building" themselves an HSPA blackberry.

    Nobody knows if this will work or is even possible. What is known is that the Tour, for all intents and purposes, is an EV-DO only device in North America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w4lker
    No.

    The Tour has the North American HSPA abilities completely blocked and disabled. Some people have pipe dreams of enabling it via hacking, and thus "building" themselves an HSPA blackberry.

    Nobody knows if this will work or is even possible. What is known is that the Tour, for all intents and purposes, is an EV-DO only device in North America.

    ok thanks, now my next question in dumb-guy terms...............

    what are the differences in the 2 networks?

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    HSPA is massively faster for data, and uses less battery life for talking and data.

    Most people, though, will never know the difference. It's only if you do data-intensive things on a smartphone, (which almost no one does,) that you should be worried. Right now the difference mostly matters to people who use their cellphones to give internet access to their laptops.

    Another advantage of HSPA is that the phones are often smaller, more modern, more "euro-" looking, and not from cheap low-rent Korean and Taiwanese manufacturers such as HTC, LG, Samsung, and ZTE. Again, though, if you're looking at a Blackberry you won't know the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w4lker
    HSPA is massively faster for data, and uses less battery life for talking and data.

    Most people, though, will never know the difference. It's only if you do data-intensive things on a smartphone, (which almost no one does,) that you should be worried. Right now the difference mostly matters to people who use their cellphones to give internet access to their laptops.

    Another advantage of HSPA is that the phones are often smaller, more modern, more "euro-" looking, and not from cheap low-rent Korean and Taiwanese manufacturers such as HTC, LG, Samsung, and ZTE. Again, though, if you're looking at a Blackberry you won't know the difference.

    Great thanks!

    So i will go ahead and grab the tour when it comes out......................whenever that is......................

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    Quote Originally Posted by w4lker
    HSPA is massively faster for data, and uses less battery life for talking and data.

    Most people, though, will never know the difference. It's only if you do data-intensive things on a smartphone, (which almost no one does,) that you should be worried. Right now the difference mostly matters to people who use their cellphones to give internet access to their laptops.

    Another advantage of HSPA is that the phones are often smaller, more modern, more "euro-" looking, and not from cheap low-rent Korean and Taiwanese manufacturers such as HTC, LG, Samsung, and ZTE. Again, though, if you're looking at a Blackberry you won't know the difference.

    right because lg and samsung are not the number 2 and 3 manufacturers in the world.


    u ramble sometimes. u had everything going good up until that last line.

    Whats so good about the americans?

    rim that churns out the same crap time and time taking away features just so they can put it in another blackberry and try and feed that to the masses?

    or apple who has released 3 identical phones only to add like 2 features per iphone all of which could have been done FROM THE GET GO.

    or motorola who is a joke of its former self. i got sent a powerpoint today of motorola marketing for telus and its actually LAUGHABLE at them pitching their current crop of garbage.

    or palm who has been bleeding cash and putting out useless phones for what the last 5 years? finally had a hit with the pre.

    right its cuz those asian manufacturers are the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyFreeman
    right because lg and samsung are not the number 2 and 3 manufacturers in the world.


    u ramble sometimes. u had everything going good up until that last line.

    Whats so good about the americans?

    rim that churns out the same crap time and time taking away features just so they can put it in another blackberry and try and feed that to the masses?

    or apple who has released 3 identical phones only to add like 2 features per iphone all of which could have been done FROM THE GET GO.

    or motorola who is a joke of its former self. i got sent a powerpoint today of motorola marketing for telus and its actually LAUGHABLE at them pitching their current crop of garbage.

    or palm who has been bleeding cash and putting out useless phones for what the last 5 years? finally had a hit with the pre.

    right its cuz those asian manufacturers are the problem.
    I didn't say the Americans were good.

    Being "the largest" doesn't make you "the best". Just ask a GM shareholder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w4lker
    I didn't say the Americans were good.

    And GM is (was) the world's largest car company. It didn't mean they made the world's greatest cars. It didn't even mean they made good cars!

    exactly


    THE ASIANS DID

    toyota

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyFreeman
    exactly


    THE ASIANS DID

    toyota
    Excuse me? Did you just imply that race implies capability?

    I wouldn't touch that one with a giant TELUS LG phone on a 10-foot barge pole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w4lker
    Excuse me? Did you just imply that race implies capability?

    I wouldn't touch that one with a giant TELUS LG phone on a 10-foot barge pole.


    Quote Originally Posted by w4lker
    HSPA is massively faster for data, and uses less battery life for talking and data.

    Most people, though, will never know the difference. It's only if you do data-intensive things on a smartphone, (which almost no one does,) that you should be worried. Right now the difference mostly matters to people who use their cellphones to give internet access to their laptops.

    Another advantage of HSPA is that the phones are often smaller, more modern, more "euro-" looking, and not from cheap low-rent Korean and Taiwanese manufacturers such as HTC, LG, Samsung, and ZTE. Again, though, if you're looking at a Blackberry you won't know the difference.

    ill leave ur own comments to show u up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w4lker
    HSPA is massively faster for data, and uses less battery life for talking and data.

    Most people, though, will never know the difference. It's only if you do data-intensive things on a smartphone, (which almost no one does,) that you should be worried. Right now the difference mostly matters to people who use their cellphones to give internet access to their laptops.

    Another advantage of HSPA is that the phones are often smaller, more modern, more "euro-" looking, and not from cheap low-rent Korean and Taiwanese manufacturers such as HTC, LG, Samsung, and ZTE. Again, though, if you're looking at a Blackberry you won't know the difference.

    - Though I understand you're referring WCDMA/UMTS here as just "HSPA" for convenient sake, there's no substantial evidence to demonstrate the "HSPA" capable device uses "less" power than current "EVDO" device in comparable usage.

    - HSPA itself is data enhancement, nothing to do w/ voice as in current 3GPP releases.

    - The "cheap" Asian manufacturers are actually ODMs, OEMs of some "euro" looking devices. On the other hand, some Asian manufacturers like Samsung and LG hiring designers from Europe to beef up the "looks" among their portfolio in recent years.

    Get back on track w/ the Tour.

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