The target hasn't changed but there is no evidence it will be hit. List these markets that will add up to 100M because they have 6 - 7 months to light them up and where are these devices to use it or any type of pricing clues?
You don't have any evidence to support your theory that VZ won't be able to hit their goal.
The only thing we can rely on is Verizon's historical performance --- which supports the argument that they are likely to achieve their stated goal. I believe that VZ's historical performance merits hofo'er to give VZ the benefit of the doubt.
Verizon historically never really had a wide selection of devices and had always priced their service at a premium --- but that doesn't affect their net adds a single bit in the last 10 years.
reuthermonkey said all the reasons I have to disbelieve, history doesn't dictate anything. History does say that vzw will have a network with no devices for a while, DOr.0 and DOrA. I think it's possible to hit the target but with not following WiMax announcements with regularity as before it lessens my faith. samab, what happened before has nothing to do with LTE now I gave reason and another has also but the focus is on how my opinions are wrong. Post 447
I generally don't trust "Official Information" from large corporations in the least, case in point BP "official information" about their oil disaster.
That being said, personally I am finished waiting. I'm done. Andriod wins. I have been waiting for Apple & Verizon to get their collective acts together for over a year. I need a new phone. I will wait for the shadow/xtreme to launch and hope it is not too huge to be useful as a portable device (not looking good at this point) and make my decision by mid-July.
I may only be one person, but for now Apple has lost a customer who wanted to buy an iPhone. I have a feeling that there are hundreds of thousands just like me.
^^^ Amen. But I'll probably try for a 1 year contract if I can (On a family plan and the family might not want this). Just in case.
You're not understanding. Let me be perfectly clear. This info is coming from engineers that have been testing the CDMA/LTE Iphone and Ipad for months. As with any phone, certain info is let out beforehand as is this case here. It appears you don't understand that info, pics is leaked prior to phone releases. You being on this forum since 2005, i assumed you understood how it works in the forums.
As far as his comment on immediate future, i take that as in the next few months 3-6.
Sorry Matrix, I can no longer hold out hope based on anything but the words coming out of Steve Jobs mouth. Im jumping ship on the 24th. Depending on how the new iPhone radio/antenna design work out along with AT&Ts much improved service in FL, I wont even come running back if it does go to Verizon in early 2011. Lowell McAdams had his chance to lock something up earlier this year for announcement Monday, but he didnt. Im thinking that there will be much more of a rush from Verizon to AT&T this go round than in the past because the iPhone 4 is just so much better of an upgrade in the past and people are tired of waiting. Verizons loss, AT&Ts gain.
Hi, my name is Joey and Im addicted to cell phones...
I am a little confused. My Verizon phone was able to roam on GSM because they used TDMA. Tell it was shutdown. The phone recognizes it as Analog. If PCS has TDMA, It could be technically be used on GSM.
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Y'know, I'm used to hysterical 14-year-old ******** on the internet, but this is exceptional. Never before in human history have so many nerds hyperventilated so publicly over so little.
reuthermonkey said all the reasons I have to disbelieve, history doesn't dictate anything. History does say that vzw will have a network with no devices for a while, DOr.0 and DOrA. I think it's possible to hit the target but with not following WiMax announcements with regularity as before it lessens my faith. samab, what happened before has nothing to do with LTE now I gave reason and another has also but the focus is on how my opinions are wrong. Post 447
reuthermonkey also agreed with me that it's not that hard for VZ to get to 100 million POP.
The announcements are there --- you are just not listening to them. VZ said that they finished their trials and their buildout is on schedule.
Of course history doesn't dictate everything, but the problem is that you don't take into account of history at all. Sprint has a long history of screwing things up and Verizon has a long history of achieving their goals. You are like someone believes Lindsay Lohan is suddenly going to learn her lessons and stop the insanity.
I read reuthermonkey as agreeing with me, this new tech will not be an easy buildout. The press blurbs don't say anything except trials are done and it's coming, nothing about when, where, how to access it or how much it'll cost. samab, reread post 447 because post 451 is just examples of how 100M can be reached but that didn't come from any official source just like the rest of the hopeful predictions. When I read something from vzw with firm info, other than "things are well and by the end of '10 100M pops", I'll eat my words but time running out.
On a side note, I said it won't be done, not that it can't.
I won't believe any article that says that there's any U.S. carrier, other than AT&T, that will have the iPhone before 2012.
You know that contract had huge ramifications if any party were to break it...
Im pretty sure that contract has been renegotiated at some point, whether shortened or lengthened. Either way until one Steve Jobs walks up onto the stage and says, "Were opening up the iPhone to other carriers", I will be content to move to AT&T to get it.
And what leads you to believe that it hasn't? You seem to find it difficult to believe that Apple didn't pick up the phone and run it by you first.
I know everyone here finds it difficult to believe the contract may have been re-negotiated and you weren't notified.
You are a troll personified. Your goal seems to be to stur up trouble.
Here's what you might not understand:
Just because you can break your cell phone contract and pay ~$175 doesn't mean it's the same thing for Apple to break a contract w/ AT&T. You people saying that athletes break their contacts all the time must have no business sense. Breaking a contract of this size wouldn't be a small feat, or cheap one at that.
If you can't read my opinions without getting upset, I'd suggest that you ignore me.
I read reuthermonkey as agreeing with me, this new tech will not be an easy buildout. The press blurbs don't say anything except trials are done and it's coming, nothing about when, where, how to access it or how much it'll cost. samab, reread post 447 because post 451 is just examples of how 100M can be reached but that didn't come from any official source just like the rest of the hopeful predictions. When I read something from vzw with firm info, other than "things are well and by the end of '10 100M pops", I'll eat my words but time running out.
On a side note, I said it won't be done, not that it can't.
What part is reuthermonkey's "I don't doubt that VZW can cover 100million POPs by the end of the year" --- do you see that he is agreeing with you. reuthermonkey only said that the 100 million POP will be in big cities, not in rural areas --- he never said that it's not going to be done. Furthermore, reuthermonkey gave a really cheap and quick example to reach 100 million POP --- just blanket the top 10 cities.
There is a big difference between hopeless predictions and Verizon's announcements --- VZ has a history of getting things done.
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