Originally Posted by hakujin
C'monnn, even most here agree The iPhone is a smart-phone by all measurements, and you are not very convincing at all otherwise and you haven't substantiated your lowly characterization of it in he least. By any definition I can find, the iPhone is a smartphone and it is more useful and well rounded than a keitai, IMO (since when were keitais purchased by gaijin for their functionality anyway? they barely have any), not because of a keitais hw, but sw. My original point was merely that even my archaic smartphone excels in terms of the totality of sw features, so certainly the iPhone constitutes smartphone...
Actually I bought my keitai for the hardware not the software...
Since you chose the ham-handed reply route, I'll try my best to reply accordingly...
1. PIM managers are a joke by comparison and only introduce an additional layer of sw obfuscation. You're a reasonable dude so I don't see why you'd portend otherwise. Doing so implies not having slightest familiarity of office/mobile convergence and doesn't speak accurately for the mainstream ubiquity that is ms office.
What? Like I said, the keitai's built-in PIM manager supports OTA syncing with docomo...
2. Somehow I doubt it.Pls. elaborate on your 2004 dumb phone. keitais can't even play mp3...why bother w/ A2DP or Stereo BT profiels then? WMA is totally obscure by comparison.
Because you can simply use MTP mode to sync everything over (including album artwork, album name, artist etc.). I'd rather not drag and drop a thousand mp3s and add album artwork separately.
What about forcing media player audio over BT headset (a hack of the profile so I doubt you can); what about syncing contacts, calendar, and tasks over BT? What about a desktop calendar that brings these calendar events in with Google Calendar (and other ICS) seamlessly, all editable from the desktop so total transparency?
Maybe there's something different about my moto L6 and my N73 but they could stream mono music to a normal BT headset. Haven't tried on my keitai since mono BT music sucks anyways.
3. Not talking about iPhone. Nowhere did I say I have an iPhone; stated the opposite in fact. Jar apps are for the most part: slow, cumbersome, limited by sandbox design, and crappy. I avoid them. like the plague... as do many.
Except keitais use a different format of JAR which isn't used in other parts of the world which are tailored for WVGA screens so they work perfectly fine.
But I"m glad your old dumbphone can support a mere 99% of the formats I listed I can use on my smartphone (which by the way isn't an all inclusive list).
4.Moot, moot. Never said I was using 3G; never said I was using an iPhone; GV can be utilized (to an extent) within skype, gizmo, browser, etc. all within most smartphones, regardless of whether there's a native iPhone app per se. Does keitai has a Skype and/or gizmo client, or other VoIP native client (preferably with free sip incoming number to compare apples to apples i.e. gizmo). Though that app would really kick butt. Makes me wanna get an Android phone.
Not native but I don't think a smartphone has a native Skype app and 'Gizmo' w/e that it or Google Voice. They're all separate apps and there's probably an app for that for keitais.
5.Auto record phone with full recorder/playback/organizer gui interface? See:
I doubt it. Notwithstanding, not just talking about recording phone calls, but personal notes/meetings/conversations/etc via speaker/mic so yes format does indeed matter (either way personally as mp3 is much better sq than the crappy low bitrate built-in winmo wav audio notes which can't even record mobile conversations).
If I really needed to record a phone call to hold a business by their neck then you're dealing with a very untrustworthy business. Besides if I really needed to record I'd use a landline not a mobile.
6. Viewer at best; Mobile Office and Adobe Mobile > 3rd party no matter how you cut the cake... everybody knows this so nonsensical to address your nuances...
For the record, I both create and edit pdfs on desktop
Well you have to pay $100 or something for Adobe Professional or w/e it's called. If you use opensource software then it doesn't count.
7.What that has to do with OneNote syncing is beyond me.
8.Dunno about keitais but they're so locked down so I'm guessing not (via native os file system at least)... sure some (not all) phones will; others will not allow you to access a sd card unless via some crappy 3rd party file explorer, W5Storage does a lot, particularly the latest which will allow the phone to simultaneously access the SD for the OS while using it (read status) for removable storage uses... blink lights on storage read/write, etc. You should check out the feature list if you're interested...
Why I would need to edit the OS is beyond me. 'Blink light on storage read/right'? Is that a joke? For the record my SH-06A's led does blink now and then when it's in MicroSD mode. And OMG- the screen actually says 'MicroSD mode'! That's a smartphone feature!!!!!!111!!!!!
9.There are good apps; tom-tom for intance. speaking of which, just saw an awesome gps style of app today for iPhone called Where. Sort of a mashup... cant' wait to check it out when I upgrade to new WinMo or Pre
It's just that even the best GPS receiver for mobile devices (the SirifStar4) is still crappy compared to a typical receiver for a car. Which is why my car's GPS can lock onto a signal within 5 seconds of starting the car and my HP iPaq device w/ SirifStarIII needs 30 or so seconds to find a signal. It's the hardware not software. But for the record Garmin Mobile XT lagged on my X1.
Also plenty of utility of GPS/mapping sw outside of a car and not everyone everyone wants to care a 2nd doo-hickey (in fact, most probably do not).
Then it isn't going to be very reliable. Mobile receivers, like I said, are mostly crap unless you buy those 'for hiking' devices.
10.Doesn't matter if you don't like to edit, or you ignore fast feature rich viewer. I use PS too Overkill and useless for the desired application. Apples to oranges...
Ps isn't available for a smartphone so this is not part of the topic. What's the point of editing pictures on a phone anyways?
11. Sucks; love both apps and control and more granular control of installation of apps (read: free & archive)... and .jar... well
Because you can freely install apps on the iphone? At least on a keitai random developers can develop apps and release it onto the web for everyone to download...
12.That's supposed to negate my feature (that you solicited)? mmkkay...
13. But can you on keitai? I don't know what 'SE' is...
I thought SE was pretty well known as Sony Ericsson but you're too engrossed in your 'High Tech Corp.' device right now no?
14. Tried i-mode *full* browser (anything less is akin to PIE I would think (i-mode site=wap site?) and I guess I'm not seeing it. Can you tell me how i-mode full is more notable than http://www.skyfire.com/??
WAP is crap. i-mode is something designed for mobile devices. It's heavily used in Japan. Not sure what i-mode full browser is. Maybe you meant Netfront Full Browser which is built-in to every keitai?
15. It's called 'scaling' and I never suggested using it over 3G, lol. I'm glad you like using your laptop though. Fortunately for me, my argument isn't 'my archaic phone can do more than your fancy notebook'.
A $400 HP netbook isn't very fancy and based on your arguments your smartphone can do more than my netbook.
16. Not sure a response is necessary on this...
17.I wasn't talking about carrying anything anywhere. I'm talking about at home. I have the luxury of working at home, so I love this little remote app for my candy bar, esp. when it's plugged in charging/syncing anyway.
Although I do find it slightly ironic that you would argue your notebook over mobile in many respects but take qualm with a ultra portable (foldable) BT keyboard.
'Ultra portable'.... looks down...
In any case, asus netbook doesn't fit in pocket, and I'm about to sell it until HDMI/Ion/Win7 Netbooks come onto market at the end of this year... too limited for what I would like out of it now.
In any case none of the ultra portable BT keyboards fit in my pocket. Do you wear cargo pants with extra-droopy pockets?
But it goes w/o saying one isn't all there if they use a notebook for some things mentioned while mobile. But I'm sure that's not what you meant.
Anyway, my intention was only to address a rather smart comment earlier... so no hard feelings. Obviously, I like keitais or I wouldn't be here... as I said would love to see that tech with U.S. software ingenuity (a dept I feel the Japanese devs lack in) which would make an awesome device but with an accessible (and popular) OS, so that devs can get behind it and tweak it. Because whether it's DoCoMo, Softbank or Verizon, they'll always try and cripple device features that interfere with the capitalizaiton of the said device in any way, which is why I like WinMo (they don't even bother to cripple in many respects, just add bloat), Android (open source), and iPhone (good API; jailbreaked of course & w/o ATT) because the unified effort of crackers/tweakers/developers will always yield great things for the consumer.
Jailbreaking is not 'permitted' by Apple so some useful apps don't work. DCM and SB (wait, you don't know what that is?) is far from locked down compared to Verizon. Verizon lets you install 3 apps or so while keitais have way way more.
For now, I'll stick to my beloved HTC (and maybe a Palm's Pre if their app store gets shakin' and if they change a few things in the revision). F--k iPhone as long as they stay with ATT... but it doesn't mean I don't respect the device/negate it's smartness, even if I don't find it's attention a bit over the top and it's service price points a bit unattractive
No hard feelings I hope and I do not appreciate all the help that yamanote's given me in the past.