The $10.00 unlimited mobile surfing plan

[PhoenixStorm713]

Maybe Rogers will end up offering a prepaid Data plan? If you can't use the ULB plan on ineligable phones anymore. It seems to be an option greatly missing from Rogers prepaid offerings. But, what would people be willing to pay?

[surlypartisan]

I was backcharged $1999 for using PAYGo data. Better stop now and return your WM phone right away.

Wow. Sorry to hear about that. I have some more questions if you have the time please! There is so much more for you to share!

How long did you use ineligible phone (and how long ago was this)?

How did they contact you.. by SMS, telephone, email, regular mail? Or did they just cut you off and put charge on your bill?

Did they use your WM device IMEI to determine your ineligibility or did you download lot of stuff?

How did your convesation go with them? What did they say? Did they threaten? Did you plead ignorance (eg who reads the fine print)?

Did they send you a bill? Or did you hvae your credit card on account to top-up and they charged that credit card?

Did you pay the bill? If you didn't pay the bill are they collecting now?

You are still a PayGo customer it appears .. are you a bitter customer or just 'thats life'?

You said that one should "return your WM phone right away". Why did you say that? Did you 'return the WM phone' (who did you return it to btw)?

You also said "dozens of people have been backcharged huge amounts of money for abusing this WAP loophole". How do you know this (I have been looking for info and you are the first person to say they ahve been charged .. I want to understand this better)?

Thanks Derfel, sounds like you learned your lesson. Help us (avoid the proble to) learn ours!!

edited to change questions after reading some of Derfel's past post and to add:

Derfel from this post from 09-16-2009, 17:51 to your post above, you have sure changed your tune : ( ... so can we suppose that you were 'caught' and billed $1999 sometime since this post from 09-16-2009, 17:51 ?

http://www.howardforums.com/showpost...7&postcount=15

Not quite.

I'm lucky to use 10 minutes of calling time a month, but I love having "push" email and web browsing (not to mention using Google Maps and GPSed) on my phone.

So I bought a $100 voucher, good for 365 days. Signed up for the $7/month UMB plan. So for $7.50 a month (50c for 911 charge), I get that unlimited "data" on my WM phone I want, and the ability to send a text or make a short call when needed.

Sure beats paying $40+ a month for a contract, doesn't it?

Btw, I noticed that your signature is still " Rogers PAYGo with free calls / free texts / $7-month UL DATA on a WM Phone. Don't ask, I won't tell..." ... shouldn';t you be changing that : )

[surlypartisan]

Maybe Rogers will end up offering a prepaid Data plan? If you can't use the ULB plan on ineligable phones anymore. It seems to be an option greatly missing from Rogers prepaid offerings. But, what would people be willing to pay?

I spent time in NZ and Aus in past couple of years.

NZ Vodaphone Prepaid - $1 (NZ =!.77 CDN) per day for up to 10 MB per day data - this is 3G. Over 10 MB daily limit (or 100MB Mthly limit) data charged at gentle, reasonable rate of $1 per MB. Also have $10.00 a month for 100MB of data on prepaid.

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp...&topicid=23049
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/mobile-data/mobile-web.jsp

Aus Vodaphone prepaid - weird deals in Aus. $29.99 (CDN$ ~ Aus) prepaid card gets you $130 worth of airtime. Included in this is data at $2 per MB, charged per KB. For use with Google maps, email, light webbrowsing, I went nearly 3 weeks of daily use on the $29.99.

http://www.vodafone.com.au/personal/...bile/index.htm

Both countries .. walk up to Vodaphone counter, pay $10 for SIM, signup is effortless, pop it in phone and away you go. Both are good for up to one year (eg if they are inactive eg you come this year, goa way come back and it is within a year account and bal are ready and waiting).

Rest of world is more or less like this. North America is odd man out. Too bad (for us in NA).

Too bad for Rogers, etc too bc if they lowered data charges, they will make killing in volume, vs what they do now in high rates ... just look at how hungry peoplel are for data eg iphone and now smartphones .. mostly in NA what is holding back demand is high rates for data.

[Derfel]

Wow. Sorry to hear about that. I have some more questions if you have the time please! There is so much more for you to share!

Sorry - no time to answer questions. Working three jobs to pay off what I owe to Rogers for exploiting the PAYGo data loopholes.

STOP USING PAYGO DATA WITH SMARTPHONES IMMEDIATELY.

[sk1d]

Sorry - no time to answer questions. Working three jobs to pay off what I owe to Rogers for exploiting the PAYGo data loopholes.

STOP USING PAYGO DATA WITH SMARTPHONES IMMEDIATELY.

How can they make you pay that? The agreement we've entered into with Rogers is basically, we put down money to use their services and they deduct the services that we've used from the balance we put down. If Rogers has failed to bill us correctly, how can they retroactively make anyone pay for something? If they're threatening you with disconnecting your service, then go get a phone from 7-11 and port your number over to end any relationship you have with them.

I've easily used as much data as you have in the same way and I haven't heard anything from Rogers. They're still billing my data usage the same way. We're both in Winnipeg which I assume means we're both on the same billing system, so why would they single you out?

[ShadowVlican]

I was backcharged $1999 for using PAYGo data. Better stop now and return your WM phone right away.

No - dozens of people have been backcharged huge amounts of money for abusing this WAP loophole. So everyone who has just started using it would be best served by STOPPING RIGHT AWAY before you find yourself thousands of dollars in debt to Rogers.

STOP USING WAP ON INELIGIBLE DEVICES... OR ELSE.

Sorry - no time to answer questions. Working three jobs to pay off what I owe to Rogers for exploiting the PAYGo data loopholes.

STOP USING PAYGO DATA WITH SMARTPHONES IMMEDIATELY.

cool story bro

sounds like someone who advertised his great unlimited data plan for $7 and now has received too much attention and private msgs asking how he did it and finally doesn't want to deal with it anymore

[sk1d]

cool story bro

sounds like someone who advertised his great unlimited data plan for $7 and now has received too much attention and private msgs asking how he did it and finally doesn't want to deal with it anymore

Thought of the same thing right after i made my last post.

[Derfel]

cool story bro

sounds like someone who advertised his great unlimited data plan for $7 and now has received too much attention and private msgs asking how he did it and finally doesn't want to deal with it anymore

That'd be true if I ever bothered responding to the dozens of messages I get about my loopholes.

BUT THEY CHARGED ME $19999 for using data when I shouldn't have.

They're taking it from my paycheque and my future tax returns. I owe them my first born (when he/she comes along).

So take note - do NOT abuse the Rogers loopholes, or pay the price.

[g00gler]

nearly $20000!!! or was it $1999 like you said earlier? $2000 is do-able, but $20k thats a heck of a lot for something that cost em next to nothing.

How can they take if from your pay cheque and tax returns?

[Jerky223]

That'd be true if I ever bothered responding to the dozens of messages I get about my loopholes.

BUT THEY CHARGED ME $19999 for using data when I shouldn't have.

They're taking it from my paycheque and my future tax returns. I owe them my first born (when he/she comes along).

So take note - do NOT abuse the Rogers loopholes, or pay the price.

What I'm I missing here: If this was on prepaid, cancel the automated withdrawal and ditch the SIM. There is no identity with prepaid in Canada and just say it's not you.
Get a new SIM and new number and move on.

[sk1d]

That'd be true if I ever bothered responding to the dozens of messages I get about my loopholes.

BUT THEY CHARGED ME $19999 for using data when I shouldn't have.

They're taking it from my paycheque and my future tax returns. I owe them my first born (when he/she comes along).

So take note - do NOT abuse the Rogers loopholes, or pay the price.

They can't garnish your wages without a court order, which means you would have known about this months ago, yet you were bragging about getting away with tethering last week. As for tax returns, I'm pretty sure only government agencies can do that. You're not going to be able to fool anyone on here for long.

If Rogers really is coming after you for thousands of dollars, I'm sorry for giving you a hard time, but please share some helpful info, for once, so that the rest of know what's coming.

[Derfel]

All I'm saying is - people should be very careful exploiting the PAYGO data loopholes, because it will come back to haunt you financially. Best that everyone stop using it and switch to data plans immediately, lest they end up in financial ruin.

Besides - this thread is about the $10 browsing plan, not the PAYGo $7 browsing plan. Hopefully a mod will come in and delete all references to the Pay As You Go data plan for $7 right away, to get this sticky back on topic.

[surlypartisan]

$20,000 !! How much of it was GST?

You are the first person I have read of to be backcharged on this on a PayGo. I have read of lots of people with huge data charges on monthly plan, but PayGo is top up to play (have to read fine print though).

Please, tell us more about this! Your warning will be more effective with more details!

[ttoomm]

@Derfel
Please do a favor for all members on this site and just leave..

please

Way to go scaring everyone for nothing.
20,000 dollar or 2000??? way to go contradicting ur own BS
your story is too deep in BS that its sad for people to even question you.

[cmetom]

All I'm saying is - people should be very careful exploiting the PAYGO data loopholes, because it will come back to haunt you financially. Best that everyone stop using it and switch to data plans immediately, lest they end up in financial ruin.

Attention everone else:
-Use data on PAYGO with $7 or $10 browsing pack via gorogers
APN with correct applicable settings (no loopholes or illegalities or nonsense, just correct configuration)
-no additional charges

-Use data on PAYGO without browsing pack or any time via internet.com APN
-Prepare for your PAYGO balance to disappear rapidly. You will "owe" Rogers as much as you use, down to the limit of your PAYGO balance. After which data and voice should both cease to function until you top up your balance.



Attention Derfel:
-PAYGO means you pay in advance and the balance is taken down to zero as you use it.
-If Rogers failed to take what they were owed as you used, that's Rogers' problem.
-If by some magic what you say is true, then you must have agreed to make it your problem rather than Rogers'.
-Thank you for your repeated warnings. You have spoken and we have heard. No need to go on about it any longer.