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I've climbed a cellphone tower
Never mind, I thought he meant what was printed on the SIM. *facepalm*Originally Posted by Sammy740
My screen is bigger than yours
I don't know what you've studied but what we're are dealing with fairly simple economic/business concepts. Not some made up flawed logic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_scale
http://www.quickmba.com/strategy/porter.shtml Read particularly the sections on Buyer/Supplier power. Buyers being the telecoms and suppliers being the manufacturers. Then compare and contrast the size of the US telecoms vs the Canadian ones.
Questions?
I've climbed a cellphone tower
Well, explain how a service that was sold at $2.35 a minute suddenly became $0.25 practically overnight and especially, explain how our robber barrons can charge $15 per MB for a service that is profitable at $15 per GB.
You are entitled to your OPINION and so am I. Putting a suit and tie on a thief doesn't make him more respectable, nor does quoting from some theoretical economic analysis make it justifiable.
And in case you did not realize... I've been around a long time and what I know, I do from ACTUAL FACTS and EXPERIENCE. Your 'Bible Thumping' is quite frankly laughable.
Open up the markets to real competition and you'll see our celcos quiver and become reasonable real quick.
"Si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait!"
I have a blue tooth
Competition for what? We have 30 million people and each major carrier has at least 5 million subscribers. Do you think having 15 choices over 10 (including the MVNOs) really will make that much of a sea-change in the minds of consumers. The wireless paradigm in Canada is different. Lots of people feel no need to have more than one cellphone. Wireline service is everywhere and relatively cheap.
You want to see something funny? Go to any of the Mediterranean countries... often people have 3 cellphones (all subscribed)... it's not uncommon to see people talking on TWO at a time with one in their belt/purse/lanyard... Sometimes getting a word in with friends and relatives is impossible - I remember a time when that stupid ubiquitous Nokia musical ringtone was EVERYWHERE there... gahhhh!!
A lot of that has to do with the fact that the population is fairly young.
I wouldn't say Canada's population is all that young anymore. Which is ironic as it's a fairly young country. We need a baby boom, ahem, I mean power outage... ;-)
As it is I'm impressed at how quickly people are adopting smart phones here... many by people who (as dj has repeatedly indicated) were looking for a dumbphone (or came from one) ...
Cheeri'o...
Frankie...
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There are 3 companies running eveybody right now with one national carrier coming, and out of all the new guys being introduced telus just bought black's who is part owner of one of the new entrants. So before the new "competitors" even get started they are starting to get bought out. So yes we need more competition!
I have a blue tooth
SO I have a question... if a few of you lot have phones to test, are you allowed to call whomever you want? Or are you restricted to calling other testers? Let's say someone <whistling> wanted to hear the call ...are you allowed to entertain those peoples requests?
I've got more phones than fingers
Who does Blacks own?
All comments are my own opinion and do not reflect the views of my employer or affiliated groups.
My screen is bigger than yours
I'm talking facts, you're whining and ranting. If you chose not to READ the facts, that's your problem, not mine.
And now I'll tell you why the "robber barrons" can charge 15$Mb. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY 15$Mb. Simple isn't it? And there really isn't any need for a company to lower that price until THEY believe it will be more profitable to do so or when most of their CURRENT clients are no longer willing to pay that rate.
Lastly, unless you're ready to pay for the continuous need to improve and update the necessary technologies (Millions if not BILLIONS of $$$), stop whining about telecoms profiting like any normal company should.
I've climbed a cellphone tower
They feel no need for another cell phone and feel no need for data because it's SO DAMN EXPENSIVE!
Ask ANYONE around... EVERYONE I talk to say they don't want, NOT because they don't need it, but because its SO OURAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE!
And why is that? because their cellphone is vastly superior to ours and way less expensive! Have you even asked any foreigners what they think of what passes for cellular service here?! They can't believe how backwards we are!
I have a friend who travels a lot. And he's NOT a foreigner either! You know what he says? That we've fallen behind Africa! Ha!... The country where the telephone was invented! Pfff...
I disagree! ALL the 'Old ' europeans I have seen on visits are MUCH MORE connected that even middle-aged Canadians are! Even those who aren't tech savvy have way more advanced phones and way more sophisticated services than we have!!! (It's the same for cars, BTW)
It's simply a matter of COST! Make it more reasonably priced and you will see usage rise SIGNIFICANTLY! Heck, my best friend is constantly cutting our conversations short because, as he's retired, he simply can't afford it!... Do you really believe we, as a society, can afford the gigormous rates they impose us? We have LESS disposable income that most western societies, yet we pay MORE than most for our cell phone service!!!
Well it's ONLY going to keep up if data rates stay reasonable and THEY DON'T CAP IT! Remember, figures are based on past events, and the time of the "unlimited browser" is unfortunately gone... Tell me next year about that 'smart phone adoption rate' once people realize they have to pay major bucks to use data on them!!!
I've climbed a cellphone tower
Typical from someone who thinks he knows what he's talking about. Don't even TRY to tell me you won't accept a reduction in your service fees after people like me have managed to stir the public opinion enough to make things change, you hypocrit!
My screen is bigger than yours
The point <-------------------------------------------------> You
I don't object to you voicing your opinion on fees. I do object to your lack of business knowledge, your misunderstanding of the size of telecoms how that effects the purchase price, selling price and profit. And particularly the dumb comparisons I often see between the price plans of telecoms in different regions.
Let me elaborate:
Total Population of Canada = ~33Million (there are only about 22 Million Canadian subscribers split between the various providers)
T-Mobile USA subscribers = ~33Million
O2 = 46.7Million
Orange = 110Million
T-Mobile total subscribers = 150Million
China mobile = 300Million
I think you get the point.
Thus to think the Canadian telecoms have any sort of power within the industry is a joke, to expect the same phone prices and price plans as other MUCH larger telecoms is also a joke. And personally, I've even seen SOME better plans (subjective) in Canada than offered by some of these GIANT telecoms.
So you can keep calling me a hypocrite but when you decided to take your head out of the sand and look at the big picture, our telecoms aren't doing too bad. Certainly far from perfect but given the facts, it could be justifiably FAR worse.
I've got more phones than fingers
Here's something different. WIND's sister companies has 100 million combined. They were able to acquire network equipment at a lower price and those 100 million gives them a lot of buying power for 1700/2100 HSPA phones that they will be used on all their networks around the world.
Canadian carriers just need to affiliate themselves with some large international companies to get in on the economy of scale.
My screen is bigger than yours
^ I agree. But I HIGHLY doubt it's possible under the current governing organization (CRTC). I'm sure there are laws and regulations restricting our telecoms to intimately mingle with others from different countries. I believe it comes down to sovereignty and national security.
I've got more phones than fingers
We will see soon enough. CRTC isn't even supposed to regulate wireless companies, that's Industry Canada's job and Globalive has already cleared the ownership review with them.
I've climbed a cellphone tower
I agree as well, this is quite possibly the true root of the problem, in the fact that as long as the CRTC will portect our big three, there will be no incentive for them to lower prices.
Where I disagree with you is on the interpretation of the cause for the high prices we pay. You see it in a clinical way as the normal result of the lack of economies of scale, I see it as completly artificial (as it has proven to be many times) and simply caused by a lack of an incentive to do better.
Of course come to really think of it, it probably is a combination of both factors, but so far the cellco's behaviour has shown time and again that is was more a question of price fixing than anything else.
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