3390 battery disadvantage

[Mighty Mouse]

It bothers me a lot that when you remove the battery from the 3390 phone, it resets the time, date and high scores. Most ppl out there probably don't remove the battery that often but when you have a data cable, you really don't have much of a choice! Do the 8290s and the 8890s have the same problem? Do you know the reason why nokia decided to overlook this problem? I know that in the user manual it states that the time will reset if you remove the battery, so obviously they were aware of it!

[RobT]

Another disadvantage noted.....Man I got like 3 on my list already and I only had 3 with my other phone in two years

I still like the phone alot and my gunmetal looking case

I wish it had a way to use a clip like the old 6190 had (button kind) I did see one on the net but I dont think I like the way it holds the phone.

BTW what all can you do with that datacable?
Can you fill me in a little..


Thanks
Rob

[howard]

It bothers me a lot that when you remove the battery from the 3390 phone, it resets the time, date and high scores.

Keep the charger plugged in and you won't loose your info.

[Big Harp 77]

can you charge the 3390's normal battery all the time or should you wait until it's almost dead??

and is this not a problem w/ the lithium ion battery??

why is the 900 watt ni cad better than the lithium ion??

i thought that lithium ion was supposed to last longer??

thanks

[Telekom]

Originally posted by RobT
Another disadvantage noted.....Man I got like 3 on my list already and I only had 3 with my other phone in two years

I still like the phone alot and my gunmetal looking case

I wish it had a way to use a clip like the old 6190 had (button kind) I did see one on the net but I dont think I like the way it holds the phone.

BTW what all can you do with that datacable?
Can you fill me in a little..


Thanks
Rob

Try: http://www.cellphoneshop.cjb.net/ they have clips for the 3310/3390. Also available a clear plastic case that has the case and a belt clip. The case has a "nub" that clicks into the belt clip.

From the above the belt clip is $2.75 and the case with the belt clip is $2.99. If you have a 3310/3390 with a colored face plate it lets the color show through. Also protects the phone should you drop it.

[ValentinaDeb]

I'll have to try it out and see, but I suspect due to the fact that the phone has limited memory and stores most of its info on the SIM instead, that "resetting" the phone by removing the battery could very well mean that the info was actually in the phone, instead of the SIM. You didn't mention anything else was erased, like the op logo, which I believe is stored on the SIM (on the 3390). I think it's an inherent design of that model, rather than the other series. I haven't taken it apart, but does the model have a backup battery? That could very well be the issue right there. I suppose that if I did a similar test on another Nokia model without a backup battery, it would have a similar effect, but that's assuming the phone's memory is limited also. Does the 3310 do the same thing? That'd be the best test. I don't have one, so I defer to a 3310. I believe SexyBabe has one...am I right? If she doesn't mind losing high scores, maybe she'd try and she if this also happens.

As to why Nokia designed it this way, bear in mind that this is their ENTRY LEVEL model (to replace their best-selling 5100 series), and it was designed for new users and the youth market. Perhaps Nokia didn't take into account that young people are the ones that actually PLAY the games on the phones, and would be upset to lose their high scores, but perhaps making a phone without lots of memory was a budget decision to create the model as cheaply as possible without sacrificing too much in functionality. I don't work for Nokia handsets division, nor do I know anyone that does, so I don't have an inside scoop on it, but that'd be my guess. For an entry level, it has certainly improved on its predecessor, and the new 3330 has WAP (I know, I know, big deal), but in terms of functionality, the new chat feature is unique to that model in the industry, and it's the most customisible model in their handset range, so for the value, the consumer is certainly getting a lot for the money.

[mob-man]

I had been using a Nokia 3310 until some weeks ago and the problem of losing time, speed dials, voice dials and other settings each time I removed the battery had made me very upset...

Finally, I disassembled the phone and connected a 3,6V button cell battery inside, parallely where the main batery poles are connected, with a few more electronic components (diodes etc.).
There is enough space near the phone's antenna to place this backup battery. I think that Nokia Company had to do this instead of me...

Now the phone never loses its settings when I remove the battery.

[chapuka]

Good idea. This should be a good business opportunity for those who make cell phone accessories. At least I'll be buy one.

[Bimmer]

No, losing memory doesn't have anything to do with the SIM card issue. I have had a Nokia 6160 (TDMA version) and it does the same thing. As a result, it has nothing to do with the SIM. On the other hand, it doesn't happen to the Nokia 8890. I have a spare battery so I remove my battery all the time for swaping.

I think the problem is the design of the phone. The old Motorola MicroTAC series (for analog) never had such problems and it was designed like 6 or 7 years ago. It shouldn't rely on the backup battery much like if you unplug your computer for a few years, the data on your hard drive will still be there (though you will lose the time because the time relies on a back up Li Ion battery if not plugged). I guess Nokia thinks that you only need one battery and never have to remove it. So you just keep charging the same battery until it finally dies. In case you guys don't know, the old Motorola phones allow you to swap batteries without losing a call if done in less than 3 or 5 seconds. It wasn't that hard to do it.

I know I will become a target after some of you read the following. I think Nokia is a very cheap manufacturer. On the surface, it looks as if their phones are good. If you guys remember the Nokia 252 (or was it 282, I don't remember exactly) back in the analog era, the flip that was added on the phone was not an active one much like the Ericsson phones. It was so stupid that you need to press send to answer a call and end to end a call.

Take another example, I have a Nokia 8890 and I think the software is very stupid in that it won't let me erase my speed dial if that number happened to store in my SIM card instead of the phone memory. If my number is stored in the SIM card, it automatically will be stored to one of the speed dials when you first started entering info in a new phone book. That's stupid enough already. And worst of all, you can only replace that speed dial with another number (from both the phone memory or SIM memory). You can only erase that speed dial (making it as an empty key) by deleting the entry in the SIM card. However, the menu gives you an option to erase a speed dial if the number stored is coming from the phone's memory.

[ValentinaDeb]

Well, I'd prefer that speed dial setup on my 8890, and I use it. I have a euro SIM with different speed dials (or the same number but with different country codes and city codes) than my Cingular SIM, and they change when I swap them, and that suits me fine. I suppose Nokia thought that's what world travelers would do, and that's why the software behaves that way. Maybe they knew we're not ready to have one SIM for one planet yet?

I dunno. I guess that would be frustrating, but I haven't run into a problem with it personally.


As for the "they don't make 'em like they used to" scenario, I'd accept that as an axiom. With the need to churn out new models every year, why would Nokia or any manufacturer want to spend money on a super-sturdy quality product just to have it end up in a land fill in 2 years? That sounds wasteful, indeed. It's cheaper to buy a new phone rather than repair the old ones, I know, but I'm likelier to spend money on the repair if I paid good money for the phone instead of $50 because I got a good deal with an upgrade on my service agreement. I have a few of the lower-end models, but inevitably, I try them out, test them, what-have-you, and then they are given as gifts to my family and get a long and happy life. If the thing breaks when it's in their possession, what they do with it is their business, but I don't want the wastefulness on my conscience. Also, there are lots of charities that will take cell phone donations, and that's a good place for them too.

Well, that was quite a tangent, but the point is that with the pressure to always make something new for customers that want to be current, if the thing doesn't last as long as the older ones, with the newer trends coming down the pike, I don't think the manufacturers feel that their products should have to last 10 years. And even if it doesn't, it should certainly last at least 3-5, and will make someone's life more convenient in the process, scratches and all.

[Bimmer]

ValentinaDeb, thanks for your insight. I never thought about the benefits of swapping SIM cards. But if you use the phone locally, it is kind of annoying.

Oh, I agree with you that a cellphone should not last for 10 years. I think a more reasonable life time would be 3 to 4 years. I didn't really mean the old cellphones are better than the new ones. I was just trying to point out the problem of losing memory is just ridiculos because even analog cell phones don't have that problem. And given today's technology, it shouldn't bhappen. That was my point.

Personally, I do replace my phone every two years. One year is simply too short to get the most out of it. By the end of two years, the battery or batteries should be dead and instead of replacing them it is time for a new phone.

[DaBigBR]

I doubt that a b/u battery would do much more than save the time.

Every time you take a __90 apart and the backup battery loses contact with the board, you turn the phone on, and poof! It's back.

Brad