And the Nuvifone has dropped to $199USD (no contract) now on Amazon.com
Originally Posted by Jim1348
Can you confirm if Google Local is removed on the AT&T version?
I have a Blackberry Bold with Garmin Mobile. Google Local is a feature I use on occasion:
The Blackberry version downloads the maps as needed as you go, so data costs add up while roaming. I'm Canadian; I'd hate to use the Garmin Mobile on the Blackberry while in Vegas or Florida this year as my data plan is for Canada only. I have an older Nuvi 650, but that would require travelling with 2 devices rather than a Nuvifone G60.
And the Nuvifone has dropped to $199USD (no contract) now on Amazon.com
I did order one of these from Amazon on Sunday, January 24, 2010. They were offering free two day shipping. However, apparently that really means three days, since it arrived on Wednesday, January 27, 2010. I was home when the UPS truck arrived and I figured the first thing to do was to try and get it unlocked, since I am a T-Mobile customer. The US version is subsidy locked to AT&T and can't do anything, except dial 911 until it is either unlocked or an AT&T SIM card inserted.
One of the first things I did was call AT&T Customer Service and ask for an unlock code. They asked for my IMEI number and told me that I would need to send a facsimile of the receipt showing that I paid retail price for this. I was told that it would take 48 hours. I was okay with that since that would mean I would get it by Friday evening and have the weekend to try it.
Two days passed and I called again Friday night to check on the status. This time I was told it would take 72 hours. I called again a couple of times was not able to get the unlock code until Friday, February 5th, 2010 from AT&T. During that time I was told that only AT&T can issue the code, but that it comes from Garmin.
In the meantime I was getting nervous because we are getting ready to go on vacation and I wanted to be able to use this. I actually tried two different unlock companies. I check with Remote Unlocks first http://www.remoteunlocks.com/ They allow you to enter your IMEI number to see if your phone can be unlocked. I felt pretty confident because after entering the IMEI number, I received a message that states, "Your phone details have been successfully submitted and our system shows your Garmin phone can be unlocked immediately." I proceeded with PayPal payment and a short time later I received an email stating, "Requests are generally processed within 12 hours, however please allow up to 24 hours before receiving your details." I thought to myself that immediate must means something different to them. Anyway, the following morning I get another email.
"We have been unable to obtain an unlock code for your phone using the imei number supplied. Although this model is generally un-lockable, there are instances where codes cannot be generated. This is due to unique phone variables and cannot be predicted in our preliminary report.
As an apology for this, we would like to offer you a full refund and a free unlock code for your phone as soon as one becomes available on our database. Alternatively you can use this free credit for an alternative phone.
We would like to offer you a full refund for this and we offer our apologies for the inconvenience.
Refunds are usually processed within 48 hours, however please allow up to seven days for funds to reflect in your account.
If you have any issues please contact us.
We have offered some further advise below on possible options you now have.
1) You can contact your service provider and ask them for a code, however if you have excessive time left on a contract they may not allow this. This option can be free.
2) Specialist shops are available in commercial areas. They can unlock the phone directly using a cable. Prices can vary for this service.
3) You can download certain software from the internet which may make it possible to unlock your phone using your USB cable, however this can be risky and may damage your phone or firmware.
Again we apologize for this and hope you have more success unlocking your phone in future."
So by this time I am getting nervous since I had just bought a new Garmin Nuvifone G60, I can't seem to get an unlock code from AT&T or Remote Unlocks, so at that point it seemed like I had just spent $219.99 for something I can't use.
I even tried CellUnlockStore.com. They, sent me the following:
Sorry I have been unable to generate the correct unlock code for your mobile. There are so many mobile out there sometimes the firmware on certain versions mean I cant generate the code.
I have sent your details over the accounts team who will send you a refund. Although normally quicker please allow up to 7 days for the refund to get back into your account.
Once again I apologize for not being able to get the correct code for your mobile. Your only option may be your network operator or a local shop who can unlock via a cable.
So, by this time I am even more worried, but I tried AT&T again, and was finally able to get the unlcok code from them. I entered it and it opened up the Nuvifone immediately. I made a test call with my T-Mobile prepaid SIM card and it worked fine.
I apologize for the length of this post, but hopefully it will be beneficial for anybody considering a Garmin Nuvifone G60, especially if they want to not get a data plan and use it primarily as a cell phone and GPS.
One of the first things people need to know is that this isn't an iPhone. If you want an Iphone and the accompanying contract and data plan, then get it. I, however, usually have a laptop computer at work with a wireless aircard in the car with me. I can't justify the expense for a phone that I don't use that much. I also want a GPS that works independent of the cellular towers.
To give a little background, I still have my Garmin StreetPilot 2730 that I bought used. It works great, but it is getting a little bit dated by today's standards. I also have a Garmin Nuvi 500, that has been taken over by my wife. Finally, over a year ago I bought a used Pharos GPS Phone 600 (Eten Glofiish X500) that I use with Garmin Mobile XT. Probably many of my comparisons over the next few days will be between the Pharos/Garmin Mobile XT and the Garmin Nuvifone G60.
Anyway, I anybody is still considering a Garmin Nuvifone G60, it can be unlocked, but prepare yourself to wait to get it unlocked. Since Amazon dropped the price even further to $199.99, it may get more interest.
Spazmogen, yes Google Local is missing from the US version.
As a tie in to another running thread, you can indeed get some limited data from T-Mobile on the Garmin Nuvifone G60. Although I am normally more of a Google guy, I have been using Yahoo! Mobile through T-Mobile T-Zones on this with great success. I will certainly admit that the internet browser is not as polished as an iPhone or iPod Touch, but that is not the reason I bought this. I bought this for what it is, a GPS/cell phone. Any extras like MP3, camera, and free data on T-Zones is really just icing on the cake for me. I think the fact that I can use this with T-Mobile Pre-paid makes this a great phone for a tightwad like me!
I'm pretty sure I'll wait until after the Mobile World Congress in 2 weeks time to make a decision.
Garmin is showing off the Android version there. I checked the the MWC site and Garmin is listed this year as an exhibitor.
You are very welcome. I, too, look forward to seeing what is announced at Mobile World Congress (MWC). I really like the Slacker Radio application. I have both a G1 and G2 portable now, as well as my BlackBerry Curve 8320. Since it will cache content on the BlackBerry I don't need a data plan. They are getting closer to having an Android version of Slacker Radio and eventually it will cache, also. Perhaps by that time whatever is announced at MWC will have come down in price enough that I can afford to buy it. I wonder if Garmin will offer any devices in the US unlocked right out of the box? Also, I suspect that some people may even be interested in a CDMA version for the Verizon/Sprint crowd!
Seems like I have been following jim1348 all over the forums concerning the G60.
I got mine from ebay (AT&T) and sent to NZ. I borrowed an expired AT&T SIM from a friend to get past the lockout to have a play. I thought if I flashed over the ATT firmware with the APAC (Singapore) one I downloaded I could get a unlocked phone with the latest firmware and all the goodies it comes with. WRONG!! Do not try this. After it tranferred via webdater and I pulled out the USB it just sat at the ATT screen and did nothing. I let it sit for 30 min and still nothing. I thought I had bricked it as I could not enter USB Mass storage mode. I tried everything (removing battery for 10 min, removing SIM etc etc) While I was playing around I did find something interesting. If you hold down the camera button and volime up button, then power on you get 5 blips of vibration then my PC (win7) tries to load a driver but fails with unrecognized device. This must be a way in via Linux?? Anyway I pulled out the battery waited a few minutes then inserted the usb cable with battery still out until a battery error icon came up then I inserted battery and waited. Voilla - after about 10 min the unit became recognized in mass storage mode and I could access the drive. I copied everything over to my PC then deleted all maps,logs,.xml's, bins on the nuvi drive. Unplugged USB and pulled the battery and started back up. It went to mass storage mode again but I waited (thinking it was writing the garmindevice.xml) and after a few minutes the screen came up. I went in and did a master reset and phone shutdown and booted up and all is good now. Copied all the stuff back over to the Nuvi drive except logs,updates and garmindevice.xml as a new one was generated. Phone is working perfectly.
As far as the ATT unlock goes I also tried GSMliberty and unlockitnow and like Jim1348 they could not find the code from my IMEI. So I called ATT who told me to call Garmin as ATT had no reference to my IMEI I provided them. I called Garmin support who did have a reference to my IMEI?? Long story short I did get my unlock code from Garmin (via ATT)
I wanted to get a few more into NZ but with this unlock hassle I won't bother until someone figurea a way around it.
I think the firmware update could be done to other regions but it would involve editing the garmindevice.xml (I think)
I like the phone but wish it had MMS. Also is there anyway to get a reminder sound for missed calls,SMS. Thanks.
I have also done some posts regarding the GPS POI aspect of this over on POI Factory.
In the end, were you able to get the APAC software into the G60? We probably downloaded the same tarball from the garmin developer site. I too, have been following Jim across 4 or 5 different forums about his new G60.Originally Posted by vs2
No I was not able to. I dowloaded the actual APAC 2.43 release (150mb .exe) from here: (not the tarball)
I think during update it looked at the garmindevice.xml and the update failed and caused my phone to get 'half bricked'. If I was to do it again I would delete the contents of the nuvi drive 1st and then try the update or figure out a way to edit garmindevice.xml to accept the firmware update.
I like this phone and the GPS side of it is far better than any other GPS phone I have had but it has got bad reviews and I cannot see ATT/Garmin spending much more time in its development especially with the new highy anticipated M10 coming out and the new 'android' models out this year as well.
Thank you for the post. I suspect that I will eventually get a Garmin Nuvifone A50. I certainly do like the G60 in the meantime. It will be interesting to see if this will be subsidy locked to AT&T or sold unlocked. I think having it on the Android platform just makes sense. Maybe I will be able to get Slacker Radio on a Garmin Nuvifone after all!
I posted last week about getting my Garmin Nuvifone G60 unlocked in time for my family trip to the Orlando FL area. I had been getting nervous because I did not get it unlocked until Friday, 02-05-2010 and we left for Florida two days later on Sunday, 02-07-2010. The Friday evening, Saturday, and Sunday before leaving I registered the device on line, downloaded Favorites through MapSource, and a number of POI files with POI Loader. I type this knowing that I have a stronger GPS background than cellular telephone background. Don't get me wrong, I have used a work Motorola Nextel on the iDen network for years. I just happens that I bought a personal used Garmin StreetPilot 2730 GPS a couple of years ago and having had some experience with other GPS devices, I do have a preference for Garmin. That having been said, my first GPS Phone was the Pharos GPS Phone 600 that I bought used over a year ago. I bought it for the purpose for installing Garmin Mobile XT software on it. In retrospect, the Pharos GPS Phone 600/Garmin Mobile XT combination works pretty well. When I had my wife with me one of the first times using it, however, she quickly pointed out the obvious, that it does NOT speak street names. To me (us) that is an absolutely necessary feature for automobile GPS navigating. I knew of the lack of spoken street names prior to purchasing, but I bought it anyway. I point this out because certainly my experience with that has some impact on my perception of the Garmin Nuvifone G60. Anyway, once arriving in Orlando and using the Garmin Nuvifone G60 as a GPS it works great. I certainly do enjoy having the spoken street names on the device.
The other thing I do need to point out, however, is being a cheap tightwad, I am not using an AT&T data plan with this. I am using T-Mobile SIM card on a prepaid plan. That negates many of the Connected Services, but not all of them! The Yellow Pages service works just fine when connected via wifi. In fact, I have tried it in the airplane mode with wifi off, and I get nothing. I have tried with just wifi on and just cellular mode and it seems to behave the same way. It does use the GPS coordinates to perform the YellowPages.com search. (For those not familiar with T-Mobile, they do allow limited data without a data plan. It does not use cellular minutes, nor does it incur a charge at all on days that I use it, but no voice minutes.)
I also experiemented with the Flight Status mode. It seems to work just fine, as well. I can't be sure yet if it is getting its data either from wifi or cellular, but I suspect thyat it, too, will work in either mode.
Premium Connected Services, on the other hand, do not work whatsoever with my configuration. This is an area where the old Pharos GPS Phone 600/Garmin Mobile XT has an edge. All of the Garmin Online features work just fine while connected exclusively via wifi. They are Traffic, Weather, Google Local Search, Fuel Prices, and Flight Status. The Premium Connected Services are:
•Traffic — Receive alerts for traffic delays and road construction on your route.
•White Pages — Search by business name or first/last name.
•Weather — Current and 5-day forecasts tailored for your current location.
•Movies — Look up movie times by theater location or movie title and navigate to the theater.
•Local events — Search for and navigate to concerts, theater performances and more.
•Fuel prices — Search for the best fuel prices near your location and navigate there with 1 click.
And like I already mentioned, I can still get Flight Status. Generally speaking, the traffic option is a non-issue for me. On the other hand, since T-Mobile T-Zones allows Navteq Traffic.com, the data can still be obtained without a traditional data plan.
That really leaves the White Pages, Weather, Movies, and Local Events functionality. Again, this is where T-Mobile T-Zones helps out. The Yahoo! Mobile works just fine with T-Mobile T-Zones. You can check weather, movies, local events, fuel prices, and more. While it may not work quite as simply as Garmin and AT&T intended, the data is pretty readily available with this device.
Another feature that has been mentioned briefly, which I particularly enjoyed this week, is Garmin Locate. When I parked at the various Disney and Universal parking lots and removed the G60 from the automobile mount, Garmin Locate saved my location as a Favorite. Just for fun I would edit the Favorite location to what the park called it, like Mickey 45 or Pluto 18, etc.
I did take a few snapshots with the camera. I am not much of a camera guy, it it seemed to work okay. I still have not has a chance to download any MP3 files to this yet, but I akm sure that I will at some point in the future.
As others have mentioned, battery life is a huge issue if you are using the GPS function and are not not connected to external power. I have never used a traditional cell phone navigation service, so I don't know how they compare in terms of power consumption, I do know that regular GPS navigation does comsume power at a pretty fast rate. The battery simply will not last long while using the GPS. I think Garmin considered this and if the GPS is not actively being used, it stops functioning to save power.
I have used the web browser function quite a bit this week, both via wifi and T-Mobile T-Zones. Clearly it is easier to use via wifi and has already been reported, it does not recognize all webpages and display them properly as perhaps an iPhone or iPod Touch does. On the other hand, if you are interested in certain sites that have a mobile/WAP version, it seems to work pretty well via wifi.
When web browsing via T-Mobile T-Zones is where thing get a little bit trickier. Again, for many mobile searches, the Yahoo! Mobile function will work fine. It is beyond that where you have to work at getting what you want. I have used the C Bypass (Tmobile pro) proxy with pretty good success. I usually prefer to have it start with Google and then I select Google Search and away I go. Keep in mind that this is 2G, not 3G, but considering the price, this is pretty nice.
The Location Link function is also pretty handy. For example, I can use Yahoo! Mobile to search for a business that has an address embedd in it. Once I find it on Yahoo!, I simply click on it and it searches and asks me if I want to navigate to that address. I can also save it as a Favorite at that point as well.
I have also played around a bit by taking a photograph and linking it to when my wife calls me on her cell phone. That works just fine. I have also a different ringtone for her and that seems fine as well. While I am certainly not trying to convince anybody to buy this, I must point out that I am quite pleased with it. Although it was really never intened to be used as a feature phone without a data plan on a T-Mobile prepaid account, it works just dandy in that capacity for me!
Last edited by Jim1348; 02-12-2010 at 11:37 PM. Reason: Details
One idiosyncrasy that I have noticed on mine relates to the battery life. As has already been pointed out, when using the GPS or web browsing while on the internal battery, it will not last long. The other thing I have noticed is inconsistent battery meter display. It seems like it will show the battery running down to about two bars and then suddenly I get the warning that it is depleted.
I had the same problem but it is much better now since setting 'data' to 'on demand' and wifi and BT off. Screen at 70%.
I did make the Data change to On Demand. I also downloaded a few MP3 files today and that seemed to go very smooth.
I also experimented with transferring photographs both to and from the G60 and that seemed pretty smooth as well. I checked the push pin and indeed the GPS coordinates are embedded in the snapshot.
Last edited by Jim1348; 02-14-2010 at 08:09 PM. Reason: Details