From the few business channel folks I've spoken with, the current iteration is being pulled. The 6.5 version replacement has a better LCD (current gen ones have dead/lit pixel issues) and well, 6.5. Verizon has no way to OTA update WinMo (the update is 80 some MB...larger than the 25MB Verizon OTA limit) so rather than selling 6.1 devices and telling people how to update, they're just gonna sell it with 6.5. The TP2 will re-release around Thanksgiving methinks...the latest Christmas.
This looks like a great device, the specs are awesome, and like most in this thread, I am seriously considering buying it when it's launched. My other option is a BB 9700, which is another ballpark, I know, but I think the best soon to be released device in that other ballpark. And like any consumer I am flip-flopping my way back and forth so much before the release of either that it's a happy little obsession.
The thing is, there are no videos of this device at all and I've never used android. The research I've done so far though says well I'll probably have to root it, which I only have a half understanding of because people only want to half explain it. This device has better hardware to run the OS, but on the same token, it has better hardware for the OS to support. Sure, Android is newer and fresher than RIM's dated OS but on that same token again, It's only recently showing up on other devices and I would dare say it's still in the refining stages and not yet in the improving stages.
My point is, I don't think I trust it.
So again, I am between this and the stale OS, get it because it functions for communications and I know it will still work if i drop it or do I really need a huge screen and awesome camera or something that I can drain my battery with games on yeah I'm trying to make it sound uncool but I will regret not getting it if I don't.
I've noticed not very many people at all in this thread currently using BB's (on that lil list beside their profile pic) so can anyone elaborate why this is ballpark is better than that ballpark?
Without using the words "business user" or "consumer" because those words mean nothing to me.
Here is the break down the way I see it... neather is better then the other... it all depends on what you are looking for. If your bussiness has a BEZ or you know alot of people with blackberrys and can make user of Blackberry Messenger then you'll like a blackberry better. If you want apps (more and cheaper then BB) and games, a better camera etc then android would suit you a little better. If you just want a phone that can make calls. get your pop or imap email let you surf the web, im and text.. then eather (or winmo) for that reason will work for you. It just becomes a matter of personal perf. I don't recall anyone in this thread or on the BB side saying one is over all beter then the other. Its all in how we use our phones. Speaking for myself. I use alot of google services (gmail, docs, maps, googletalk, googlevoice, calender etc). Yes there are BB apps for most.. and I have them but android offers beter intergration (not a suprize) There are also several apps I have uses for. So for me android offers a better solution then blackberry. I'm not saying its better or its worse.. its just more to my way of doing.
My wife is giving me an STD for Christmas.. and I couldn't be happier
Yeah, the Blackberry OS is nice and is more business oriented. The push email makes you get your messages instantly, the BBM allows inter-BB communication, there tend to be a lot of business related apps, the phone/OS is very professional looking, etc. At the same time, many BBs have lower cameras, smaller resolution screens, less-fun apps, etc.
All in all, I agree with the post a couple posts above mine, it comes down to person preference. All the operating systems have evolved to a point where all of them do the essentials so you need to get more specific. Business oriented tends to work on the BB best, app and fun oriented tend to lean towards the iPhone or Android. WinMo devices tend to be in the middle somewhere. But any of them can probably do what you want, it just depends which one does it the way you like.
Its not that simple for me. I'm not currently a Verizon customer.
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neither am i, i was thinking if they do online only to not immediately port my number and have one double-month with verizon and at&t to make sure its the phone i want. i'm using my google voice number anyways, so porting my old at&t number isnt really an issue anyway.
You can order the phone at a brick and mortor store (Verizon corporate retail only--this includes kiosks, support/repair centers, etc--does NOT include places like Diamond Wireless or another third party carrier) and have it shipped either to the store or to a location of your choosing. You can, within 30 days, return the phone and terminate your contract without any fees (aside from the restock fee).
Every time I bring up these concerns on the forums someone yells at me saying it will ship with Eclair 2.0
I know how you feel. Androidandme keeps posting info that is the exact opposite of what bill is saying. I still believe bill but its concerning to see stuff from androidandme saying we won't be getting this phone until Dec 1st or it won't have eclair 2.0.
Also, kind of OT but still surprising, did anyone see that the storm2 will be buy one get one free from vzw? I have never seen a new smartphone be offered as bogo before. Even though I am way more interested in the tao, its still tempting to get the storm2 since both my wife and i are getting phones at the same time.
Android and Me reporting rumor that Eclair may be delayed: http://bit.ly/IXO9p
lol.... I just saw that myself. However I don't know how much I'd read into that coming from someone at Samsung who is not working with 2.0 yet anyways is my guess.
Even at that word has always been 2.0 will not be public or other mfgs use until 2010 anyways.
There is no way the STD will be out this month. Trust me, I want it to be out more than you can imagine, but as a litmus test, let's look at the released and leaked info on the Storm 2:
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This looks like a great device, the specs are awesome, and like most in this thread, I am seriously considering buying it when it's launched. My other option is a BB 9700, which is another ballpark, I know, but I think the best soon to be released device in that other ballpark. And like any consumer I am flip-flopping my way back and forth so much before the release of either that it's a happy little obsession.
The thing is, there are no videos of this device at all and I've never used android. The research I've done so far though says well I'll probably have to root it, which I only have a half understanding of because people only want to half explain it. This device has better hardware to run the OS, but on the same token, it has better hardware for the OS to support. Sure, Android is newer and fresher than RIM's dated OS but on that same token again, It's only recently showing up on other devices and I would dare say it's still in the refining stages and not yet in the improving stages.
My point is, I don't think I trust it.
So again, I am between this and the stale OS, get it because it functions for communications and I know it will still work if i drop it or do I really need a huge screen and awesome camera or something that I can drain my battery with games on yeah I'm trying to make it sound uncool but I will regret not getting it if I don't.
I've noticed not very many people at all in this thread currently using BB's (on that lil list beside their profile pic) so can anyone elaborate why this is ballpark is better than that ballpark?
Without using the words "business user" or "consumer" because those words mean nothing to me.
you don't HAVE to root it. Rooting gives you the full super user ability to install any app or do what have you to the OS rather than just using it as is. Sure you can install apps as is, but rooting gives you the power to lets say put apps on the SD card and run them from there (say you run out of space on the onboard storage if there isn't enough not to mention the apps are about 1kb-1mb of space anyways) you can also put home screens on there and mess with the whole file system. Again you wouldn't just want to do that because you can trash your phone, but reflashing it could fix everything or brick it since flashing does have the probability of going awry. However, if you just want sure functionality for calls and simplicity go with BB. They have always been good phones (except for the Storm and Tour). Also, the 2.0 Eclair on the STD will be a big update for the OS in terms of better functionality and is probably a little refined for speed and use, but the best part is BOTH the BB OS and Android are always upgradable (up to the limit of ROM size on the board). So it really is up to you in terms of what you're looking for. I'm not going to tell you which you should pick over the other as I have no experience with the 9700 or STD, haha.
your questions are both in the same.lol
all i can say is everything you hear is a lie and the truth in 1. moto and vzw are attempting to keep everyone confused til said launch.
i think its stupid but maybe they wnt lots of fuss on launch day and not want everyone to know when that is til they see it on tv and go"oh **** that phone is out today" ?
they are acting like children on this unit launch.but i will say this phones features and capapilities is like the interenet,i just cant reach the end of it yet..lol
AND BY NO MEANS AM I A HYPE GUY FOR MOTO OR VZW TO GET YOU GUYS WORKED UP.THESE LEAKS ARENT FOR THAT.IT IS WHAT IT IS JUST LEAKS AND INFO FOR YOU.
lol, thats what i was thinking, they are purposely playing with our minds!! haha.. well given what you said here, and said a week ago, im going to assume i have this all figured out now thinking the commercial and the phone will be out Oct 30th, i just wish they would make some kind of announcement so i can prepare (pre-ordering it, or getting up early and calling in late to work on that friday to be the first in line lol)
Every time I bring up these concerns on the forums someone yells at me saying it will ship with Eclair 2.0
There are different development groups and branches of the 2.0 Android tree. The main one is the Google branch, which is (I believe) what Moto/Verizon are working on. This can be released today if needed...it's a fully working product (its essentially 1.5 with CDMA and other features from 1.6 and 2.0). This is the private 2.0 tree--only available to Google and it's partners.
The public 2.0 tree is what most other companies use (like iNQ mobile)...this won't be available to the public until it's 100% finished and finalized. 1.6 is already shipping on devices or have already shipped, but the 1.6 code for development is just now being available for others to work with and develop from. You have understand that with something like Android, there is a public and a private sector. Google makes available the private/early code to all of its close partners to develop with so theres an exclusivity with new devices. After X days/weeks/months, the private code is pushed into the public repositories for all to develop with.
I wish I could some how log into bills mind and download all the information pertaining to the STD (non disease only plz). Anyone know his heads ssh password or if there is an ftp setup for it?
I could care less if the STD ships with 1.6 or 2.0
Yes it would be cool to get the newest OS before everyone else, but honestly, 1.6 is cool enough IMO. Plus, the STD is supposedly made to be 2.0 compatible so whenever 2.0 does see the light of day, the STD will be waiting for it.
That said, from what I have seen, bill has given this forum lots of info and it has been reliable info, so I have an expectation of 2.0 and that the phone will be out Oct. 30th. If it ends up different, then so be it.
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