There are different development groups and branches of the 2.0 Android tree. The main one is the Google branch, which is (I believe) what Moto/Verizon are working on. This can be released today if needed...it's a fully working product (its essentially 1.5 with CDMA and other features from 1.6 and 2.0). This is the private 2.0 tree--only available to Google and it's partners.
The public 2.0 tree is what most other companies use (like iNQ mobile)...this won't be available to the public until it's 100% finished and finalized. 1.6 is already shipping on devices or have already shipped, but the 1.6 code for development is just now being available for others to work with and develop from. You have understand that with something like Android, there is a public and a private sector. Google makes available the private/early code to all of its close partners to develop with so theres an exclusivity with new devices. After X days/weeks/months, the private code is pushed into the public repositories for all to develop with.
Motorola and Google and Verizon are keeping it a secret, so Samsung does not know it.
Originally Posted by Aixelsyd
lol.... I just saw that myself. However I don't know how much I'd read into that coming from someone at Samsung who is not working with 2.0 yet anyways is my guess.
Even at that word has always been 2.0 will not be public or other mfgs use until 2010 anyways.
Originally Posted by Taylor Wimberly @ Android and Me
I spoke with a high level executive from Samsung who was extremely knowledgeable about Android development. When I mentioned Android 2.0 shipping this year, he looked at me kind of weird and snickered. He told me not to expect Android 2.0 until Q2 2010.
If Motorola software engineers are working on Eclair for release on the Tao and they are polishing up the UI for "eye-candy" and some slick functionality, then of course they are not going to let the cat out of the bag for their competitors.
Yes they will keep Google in the loop so that they follow the API rules and create the software extensions so that later (several months later) the code will be merged into the main line code of Android and become available to the rest of the Android community.
Sure, Android is open source, but anyone who works on new features has to have payback by having an exclusivity period, otherwise there is no reason to fund your own development.
So Motorola Developers who have worked on Eclair are "snickering" at Samsung and thinking of how sweet the release will be!
I hope this phone doesn't open up "online" only for the first three weeks. I want to look at the phone in person before I buy. I may or may not like it.
to each his own...
on the other hand, ill have the phone as fast as verizon can process my debt card info and ship it overnight.. lol
Android and Me reporting rumor that Eclair may be delayed: http://bit.ly/IXO9p
This is old news, and true.. all phones will not be available for upgrade until Q2 2010, except this one. lol
Its already said and done, eclair will be on the Sholes, the rest however will be sitting impatiently for the upgrade release next year, so for a better understanding, Sholes (purposely) will be the only phone with 2.0 for a 4-7 month range..
what better way to have a cause for people to talk and hype up the sholes if its the only phone of its kind for a little bit
lol.... I just saw that myself. However I don't know how much I'd read into that coming from someone at Samsung who is not working with 2.0 yet anyways is my guess.
Even at that word has always been 2.0 will not be public or other mfgs use until 2010 anyways.
exactly, which goes with the theory, they have had people working on 2.0 for this phone alone, why would samsung know a damn thing about a project like this that has been so secretive.. THEY WOULDNT!! lol
so ya if he was answering for his own company, then he was right, samsung or anyone else for that matter wont see 2.0 until Q2.. so funny lol
There are different development groups and branches of the 2.0 Android tree. The main one is the Google branch, which is (I believe) what Moto/Verizon are working on. This can be released today if needed...it's a fully working product (its essentially 1.5 with CDMA and other features from 1.6 and 2.0). This is the private 2.0 tree--only available to Google and it's partners.
The public 2.0 tree is what most other companies use (like iNQ mobile)...this won't be available to the public until it's 100% finished and finalized. 1.6 is already shipping on devices or have already shipped, but the 1.6 code for development is just now being available for others to work with and develop from. You have understand that with something like Android, there is a public and a private sector. Google makes available the private/early code to all of its close partners to develop with so theres an exclusivity with new devices. After X days/weeks/months, the private code is pushed into the public repositories for all to develop with.
damn, i wish i could of explained this as good as you lol
so ya if he was answering for his own company, then he was right, samsung or anyone else for that matter wont see 2.0 until Q2.. so funny lol
Exactly, and if you think about it Q2 makes sense to a degree for other mfgs. If Moto/VZW/ and Google have any type of arrangement like being an Exclusive then Q2 makes sense then seeing as a lot of them these days seem to be for about 6 months.
Either way tho I'll take bill23's word over some yahoo at Samsung at this point.
Exactly, and if you think about it Q2 makes sense to a degree for other mfgs. If Moto/VZW/ and Google have any type of arrangement like being an Exclusive then Q2 makes sense then seeing as a lot of them these days seem to be for about 6 months.
From what I've heard, there are a lot of incompatibility issues with apps and Donut. I don't know that releasing an OS with exclusivity is the best idea. There won't be a helluva a lot of incentive for developers to fix their apps if the OS is only running on one device.
From what I've heard, there are a lot of incompatibility issues with apps and Donut. I don't know that releasing an OS with exclusivity is the best idea. There won't be a helluva a lot of incentive for developers to fix their apps if the OS is only running on one device.
You beat me to that statement!
I don't really know what 2.0 looks like, or what features it may add, but it certainly seems like app development for 2.0 could be a slow process (even if it is just "porting" an existing program to work with 2.0) if there isn't a very big installed base out there.
From what I've heard, there are a lot of incompatibility issues with apps and Donut. I don't know that releasing an OS with exclusivity is the best idea. There won't be a helluva a lot of incentive for developers to fix their apps if the OS is only running on one device.
Most of the fixes involve things like fixed screen resolution or calls made to hardware only on specific hardware. Android/Google does a good job of making sure the API's they make available are global, but it's not something the developers have to follow completely to get on the app store/the device (unlike Apple).
It's like running an app hardcoded for 320x240 on a 800x480 device. The app will either only occupy a small portion of the screen, have the touch sensor be completly out of whack, or simply not run. The fix would be to tune up graphics and go with a dynamic screen resolution vs a static one.
I would also like to add that for those of us who will have to do a bit of face-to-face "negotiating" in order to get the subsidized w/contract pricing (not close to the NE2 date yet), the online/telesales only introduction will make it virtually impossible to get one of these phones.
I could be wrong - maybe you could pull this off with the telesales group, but I think a face to face sales meeting would give you a better chance of getting that deal...
STD will release this month or EARLY November. The 800k in some warehouse doesn't play any part in the current stock as the 800k is old hardware.
I think I saw something like this in an earlier post to. Where did the idea that the 800k (now over 1M) in the warehouse is old hardware?
Just to be completely clear, the inventory built up for the last month is the finally production hardware. The "old hardware" that exist is a couple of thousand units, most of which are already destroyed.
As for the worry about the phone will be sold out, we can only hope. Motorola needs a win and selling out Sholes would be a huge win. It would definitely help prove Motorola's Android strategy and allow them to continue forward.
Honestly, to be completely sold out a lot of phones would have to sell. Even than, more units are already scheduled to be produced (over 2M total this year).
From what I've heard, there are a lot of incompatibility issues with apps and Donut. I don't know that releasing an OS with exclusivity is the best idea. There won't be a helluva a lot of incentive for developers to fix their apps if the OS is only running on one device.
True and I totally agree. But who is to say it will only be one device. If the deal is with Moto and not VZW per say who is to say all there devices coming in 2010 aren't going to be 2.0 which would give developers a reason to get them fixed.
And I'm may be dreaming but I could have swore I read that when Andriod comes to VZW they will start in the area of 5000+ apps
I would also like to add that for those of us who will have to do a bit of face-to-face "negotiating" in order to get the subsidized w/contract pricing (not close to the NE2 date yet), the online/telesales only introduction will make it virtually impossible to get one of these phones.
I could be wrong - maybe you could pull this off with the telesales group, but I think a face to face sales meeting would give you a better chance of getting that deal...
Or you just find a friend that works there and has 8 lines on there family plan that each get an upgrade every 10 months.. and make sure they are nice enought to order you the phone day one with there discounted upgrade for one of the lines.. then let you buy it from them at what it cost them.
My wife is giving me an STD for Christmas.. and I couldn't be happier
Motorola A855 Sholes/Tao/Droid Pre-Release Thread 2 (Off topic Posts=BAN No Warnings)
Originally Posted by RonDutt
There are different development groups and branches of the 2.0 Android tree. The main one is the Google branch, which is (I believe) what Moto/Verizon are working on. This can be released today if needed...it's a fully working product (its essentially 1.5 with CDMA and other features from 1.6 and 2.0). This is the private 2.0 tree--only available to Google and it's partners.
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