Here comes N920...............even before N900 release

[YoDude]

A lot of it it is the OS... The hardware could be the same or even more robust but if, as in the iPhones case, the OS does not support multi-tasking it is like running Windows 3.0 on one of today's desktops.
As someone said earlier, the problem with Symbian was new user expectations of how to interact with a "Smartphone" brought on by the iPhones OS... it was "Finger friendly".

However, that whole argument will become mute when the next milestone is reached... Who will be the first to have a "Voice friendly" interface.

[Dro]

Wow - looks like I hit a soft sport. I had a 9300 for a while. I also had an iPhone for a while. A friend of mine does not have a computer nor an internet connection and he relies upon his iPhone solely for internet - he can check his email with ease, communicate with ease, online banking, browse the web with ease (but no Flash for him). I had an iPhone and I messed around with many BB's and I can tell you that the iPhones web experience, e-mail, and now that they have apps for the iPhone that totally blow anything Nokia has had out of the water. No comparison. And this is coming from a die hard Nokia fan. If you just look at the processors in the devices you can see what is more advanced. This is the first time Nokia is stepping up in terms of hardware and software, the N97 was a huge fail.

agree with you on the most part except the bold part. Remember N95 was one of the top in the industry 2 years ago in terms of hardware?

[wAkO]

I have to disagree with you about the hardware - just look at the N97, even before it's release it's processor was said to be weak and proved to be as well. Symbian was and still is great for some applications - but what Nokia is doing with the N900 and Maemo is bridging the gap between cell phones and computers. I doubt you would even need to own any kind of computer to get the full experience out of the N900, however you need a computer just to use the iPhone.

By what you say then, Nokia and EVERY other mobile maker are lacking in hardware then. No phone out there today is made to be a computer replacement. Then every phone maker are all on the same playing field...? I think I am lost to see your point...


On another point though, I cant see any phone company try to replace a computer. I can definitely see them bridging a gap between cell phones and computers, but never so that you wouldnt need a computer to get the full experience. That would be contradictory to what you said first if that were true. I can see the N900 as less dependent on the computer though, but that is to be expected since it is suppose to be a internet tablet.

However, that whole argument will become mute when the next milestone is reached... Who will be the first to have a "Voice friendly" interface.

In all honesty I always thought voice controls were always a gimmick. Although it was great when it works, I always have a awkward feeling just talking to myself, as a robotic monotonic voice replies back to me. Although the technology is being put into almost every conceivable thing today from cars to phones to your house, I just dont see people really use it either.

[NeophyteDMD]

By what you say then, Nokia and EVERY other mobile maker are lacking in hardware then. No phone out there today is made to be a computer replacement. Then every phone maker are all on the same playing field...? I think I am lost to see your point...


On another point though, I cant see any phone company try to replace a computer. I can definitely see them bridging a gap between cell phones and computers, but never so that you wouldnt need a computer to get the full experience. That would be contradictory to what you said first if that were true. I can see the N900 as less dependent on the computer though, but that is to be expected since it is suppose to be a internet tablet.




In all honesty I always thought voice controls were always a gimmick. Although it was great when it works, I always have a awkward feeling just talking to myself, as a robotic monotonic voice replies back to me. Although the technology is being put into almost every conceivable thing today from cars to phones to your house, I just dont see people really use it either.

I agree that a cellphone will never replace a computer. However, I would hate to have to only do small/minor tasks on a computer. For example: Get an email message with a link to a website. Website won't load onto phone because phone doesn't have "X" plugin. Email now gets added to task list of "Things to look up on my home computer because my cellphone cannot pull up the page."

I think cellphones can solve this issue pretty easily. You will not be able to play Crysis like you would on a computer though. That I agree with. You will not be able to encode/decode videos like a computer would. You will not be able to burn CD/DVD/Bluray like you could on a computer also.

I want to minimize that task list of "wait till you go online on your home computer to see WTF your friend/family emailed you."

[wAkO]

I agree that a cellphone will never replace a computer. However, I would hate to have to only do small/minor tasks on a computer. For example: Get an email message with a link to a website. Website won't load onto phone because phone doesn't have "X" plugin. Email now gets added to task list of "Things to look up on my home computer because my cellphone cannot pull up the page."

I full heartedly agree. It is aggravating when I cant open simple links to view a webpage simply because the damn page has flash or what not. However these things are improving. Skyfire, Opera Mini, and even Microsoft's Mobile IE have been working hard to integrate many of the plugins you find on websites so you can see them on your hand held. But like you said before, it wont ever replace a full on desktop.

The only thing I can see our mobile devices replacing are netbooks. As useful as those little machines are, right now the only thing a netbook has over my phone is memory, loading the awkward webpages that require x and y plugin, and maybe the occasional word processing. However all those gaps are quickly being sealed as phones are becoming more and more powerful.

[wAkO]

Fake 100%

3. Maemo 6.....You should have pressed the close button on your tab when you read that.
OS2005 - Released November 2005
OS2006 - Released June 20, 2006 (~7 months after)
OS2007 - Released January 8, 2007 (~7 months after)
OS2008 - Released November 2007 (~10 months after)
OS2008 "Diablo" - Released June 2008 (~7 months after)
Maemo 5 - Not released yet. (and we are at ~16 months after the OS2008 "Diablo" release)

ah, right thats why i came back to this thread... Maemo 6 is definitely being developed and worked on. Hell even an SDK is already out for it!

[riahc3]

My replies below may be a bit fast because I want to go to sleep and it is late...

Can't tell if this was sarcasm or not but here's where he mentioned it:
http://www.mobile-review.com/review...maemo5-en.shtml

Yes. It was sarcasm. It is like I say right now "The N900 is great but the N920 is going to have a quad core". I said it and thats it. I am not a official source. Im just a guy typing on a keyboard behind a display

Might be I'm the only one who complained N900 is too large?
I don't have that yet, but from the spec it's about the same size and weight of the HTC TP2, which my first impression was it's felt like a brick, can be used as a weapon. The first reason I don't like TP2 is it's WM, the 2nd reason is it's heavy. I've preordered the N900 nonetheless, though I would be much happier if it has no keyboard to make it thinner and lighter. I have been playing the Toshiba TG01, the 4.0" screen and extreme slim body definitely feel more like a tablet should be.

Anyway, I voted the N920 post is fake, but I didn't mean there will not be an N920.

Out of all of the reviews, I havent seen one that complains about it being too large and actually some were surprised. So it is you it seems

Have you had first hand expirence with the device?

ROFLMAO!

And what the hell have they been doing for the past decade? What the hell do you think Symbian is?! What the hell have you considered all the N series and E series for the past decade?


Nokia has BEEN the smart phone world for years and you call it their first move? I will say they been falling behind as of late when you compare to other smart phones but it is far from their first move.


And if you honestly think an iPhone is a comparable smartphone you must be new to the mobile world. REAL smartphones are far more robust than what the iPhone provides. iPhone is more of a smart dumb phone for consumers.

I completely agree with this post.

Wow - looks like I hit a soft sport. I had a 9300 for a while. I also had an iPhone for a while. A friend of mine does not have a computer nor an internet connection and he relies upon his iPhone solely for internet - he can check his email with ease, communicate with ease, online banking, browse the web with ease (but no Flash for him). I had an iPhone and I messed around with many BB's and I can tell you that the iPhones web experience, e-mail, and now that they have apps for the iPhone that totally blow anything Nokia has had out of the water. No comparison. And this is coming from a die hard Nokia fan. If you just look at the processors in the devices you can see what is more advanced. This is the first time Nokia is stepping up in terms of hardware and software, the N97 was a huge fail.

I also tried a iPhone and I can honestly say that I find nothing special about it. No Flash. No keyboard. You cant use it if it is freezing outside. No sending thru Bluetooth....etc. So many flaws

(All this without being Jailbroken)

[[ExiTuS]]

This picture is an artwork of mine!
I never claimed this phone to be Nokia N920 or published any details.
It was not my intention that a Chinese website (I am German) grab my picture to prove their theory of N920.

Read official statement and see the "Making of":
http://www.nokiaport.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=5379

Regards,
[ExiTuS], NokiaPort.de

[RaLX]

Might be I'm the only one who complained N900 is too large?
I don't have that yet, but from the spec it's about the same size and weight of the HTC TP2, which my first impression was it's felt like a brick, can be used as a weapon. The first reason I don't like TP2 is it's WM, the 2nd reason is it's heavy. I've preordered the N900 nonetheless, though I would be much happier if it has no keyboard to make it thinner and lighter. I have been playing the Toshiba TG01, the 4.0" screen and extreme slim body definitely feel more like a tablet should be.

Anyway, I voted the N920 post is fake, but I didn't mean there will not be an N920.

I also believe that TP2 and N900 are bricks for my pockets, both are slightly bigger and heavier than N97 that is already big and heavy enough. That's why I doubt I'll get N900...

Meanwhile there are thinner, lighter and powerful Android phones coming soon (well in a matter of months) like Sony Xperia X3 (big screen, slim and 1Ghz Snapdragon), Motorola Droid/Sholes (qwerty keyboard, big screen, apparently slim) and HTC Dragon (big screen, slim and 1Ghz Snapdragon).

Maybe Maemo 5 will be better than Android 2 (who knows) but in terms of hardware I think there's a lot more coming for Android right now.

[YoDude]

This picture is an artwork of mine!
I never claimed this phone to be Nokia N920 or published any details.
It was not my intention that a Chinese website (I am German) grab my picture to prove their theory of N920.

Read official statement and see the "Making of":
http://www.nokiaport.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=5379

Regards,
[ExiTuS], NokiaPort.de

Thanks for clearing that up for some over here.

The folks at talk.maemo.org had it figured out awhile ago
>> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...77&post=346677

[NeophyteDMD]

I also believe that TP2 and N900 are bricks for my pockets, both are slightly bigger and heavier than N97 that is already big and heavy enough. That's why I doubt I'll get N900...

Meanwhile there are thinner, lighter and powerful Android phones coming soon (well in a matter of months) like Sony Xperia X3 (big screen, slim and 1Ghz Snapdragon), Motorola Droid/Sholes (qwerty keyboard, big screen, apparently slim) and HTC Dragon (big screen, slim and 1Ghz Snapdragon).

Maybe Maemo 5 will be better than Android 2 (who knows) but in terms of hardware I think there's a lot more coming for Android right now.

Any phone is a brick by comparison to this cellphone:

[mcdull]

Any phone is a brick by comparison to this cellphone:

Actually, my friend has one of these, bought from a HK website, and it's a large brick in comparing to other watches

[ts]

This picture is an artwork of mine!
I never claimed this phone to be Nokia N920 or published any details.
It was not my intention that a Chinese website (I am German) grab my picture to prove their theory of N920.

Read official statement and see the "Making of":
http://www.nokiaport.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=5379

Regards,
[ExiTuS], NokiaPort.de

You were hoping for more of a reaction. Sorry - next time we will all try harder. Do you want some constructive criticism?

[liknsmak]

Yes. It was sarcasm. It is like I say right now "The N900 is great but the N920 is going to have a quad core". I said it and thats it. I am not a official source. Im just a guy typing on a keyboard behind a display

Except that the person I quoted is, actually, a reliable source. When he mentions a device he's in a position to be actually be holding it in his hand, not just mentioning whispers like most bloggers today, so yes it is almost from the CEO of nokia's mouth . He's also the one responsible for the initial unveiling and first indepth look of the N900 to the public before Nokia did, so take it for what it's worth.

[riahc3]

Except that the person I quoted is, actually, a reliable source. When he mentions a device he's in a position to be actually be holding it in his hand, not just mentioning whispers like most bloggers today, so yes it is almost from the CEO of nokia's mouth . He's also the one responsible for the initial unveiling and first indepth look of the N900 to the public before Nokia did, so take it for what it's worth.

Does he make the product? Is he involved in the product? Does he have anything to do with the company making the product? All the of anwsers to those questions are "I dont know" or "No".

Of course he can have a inside source which breaks a NDA and leaks him products but he does not work for the company and cannot confirm this 100% The picture though is without a doubt fake. The information, I personally believe it is fake for the reasons I have given.