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    AAV: Cheaper, faster tower backhaul.

    Quote Originally Posted by unplugged
    Oooh......insider info. Anybody want to talk about AAV?
    ^^(Quote from the GPRS thread.)

    Yes, let's!

    In this context, I'm assuming that AAV means alternative access vendors: companies that provide high bandwidth data connections, typically via fiber, at much lower prices than T1s from the ILEC (phone company).

    T-Mobile already uses AAVs for tower backhaul in several markets (including Philadelphia; home of HSPA+), but perhaps they are planning to expand AAV use to additional markets now that their 3G network is really taking off.

    If anyone has any info about new developments with T-Mobile's use of AAVs, I'd love to hear it!

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    The T-Mobile site near one of my houses in Houston has Comcast fiber running to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by technoevil
    The T-Mobile site near one of my houses in Houston has Comcast fiber running to it.
    How can you check for which providers T-Mob is using for backhaul?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irgins
    How can you check for which providers T-Mob is using for backhaul?
    Many times the provider's name is on the "telco" box at the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregsmith59
    Many times the provider's name is on the "telco" box at the site.
    I see. I wonder if surrounding users can share their DSL/Cable "pipe" to the tower

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    One thing a carrier needs to be sure of is how well a backhaul provider responds in a disaster. I know that anyone in my community who relied on cable for internet and phone service went without for months after Katrina. For contrast, BellSouth was up and running pretty fast.
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    My potentially-soon-to-be T-Mo Sales Engineer says that in SoCal since we use Ericsson equipment we are actually primed for 14.4 Mbps instead of 7.2 Mbps and that they are actually ahead of AT&T in their backhaul race.

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    AAV vendors depend on the market I know Socal is Time Warner, Cincinnati/Dayton, OH is Time Warner, and Indianapolis, IN is Zayo. It really comes down to what Fiber provider offers the cheapest deal in that area.

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    One of ATT's & Verizon's built-in advantages is that they own the backhaul in many of their markets. If they raise backhaul prices it's just moving the money from the left pocket to the right. Without microwave and AAV, the non-incumbent carriers are completely at the mercy of the incumbents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder1 View Post
    AAV vendors depend on the market I know Socal is Time Warner, Cincinnati/Dayton, OH is Time Warner, and Indianapolis, IN is Zayo. It really comes down to what Fiber provider offers the cheapest deal in that area.
    Yes, vendors are allowed to bid on providing AAV service. Generally the local telco gets the nod, but cable companies can win the contract especially if they are willing to provide guaranties for uptime, service restoration etc.
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    T-Mobile must be using Cox Cable here because CenturyLink is way behind on fiber deployment.
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    Verizon is still a major vendor in NYC as they can supply FIOS instead of T1 to clusters, and FIOS is insanely fast!



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    Wonder what they are using here in Wichita, KS. They basically have 2 options, AT&T and Cox...

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    Aav 1.95

    Quote Originally Posted by rdekema View Post
    ^^(Quote from the GPRS thread.)

    Yes, let's!

    In this context, I'm assuming that AAV means alternative access vendors: companies that provide high bandwidth data connections, typically via fiber, at much lower prices than T1s from the ILEC (phone company).

    T-Mobile already uses AAVs for tower backhaul in several markets (including Philadelphia; home of HSPA+), but perhaps they are planning to expand AAV use to additional markets now that their 3G network is really taking off.

    If anyone has any info about new developments with T-Mobile's use of AAVs, I'd love to hear it!


    1st time caller 1st time listner - working with T-Mobile AAV 1.95 - anyone have any news on this? I heard it's a bear!!!

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