LTE Markets/Rollout Official Discussion

[Network 10]

Verizon Wireless has stated that when they deploy their LTE network they will do so with a 10 MHz + 10 MHz (uplink/downlink) implementation. In areas of the nation where they possess more spectrum, will they deploy the technology with more bandwith?

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/a...hp?a=187&p=230

[XFF]

Even where they have multiple SMH bands, they can't do 20+20, because the LSMH A-block and B-block holdings are not adjacent to the USMH C-block holdings. They can deploy 2 carriers at 10+10 each (*), but that's not the same as 20+20.

(*) only in markets where they hold the full 46 MHz, there's very few of those

[klzemx3]

I forgot which band vzw has, I do know that Verizon payed around 6 billion to get that spectrum and only they have it. Its in the fcc website I believe. They currently are testing 4g in 26 markets. Dont have the specific info tho, but it is lte.

[Dubspoon]

I forgot which band vzw has, I do know that Verizon payed around 6 billion to get that spectrum and only they have it. Its in the fcc website I believe. They currently are testing 4g in 26 markets. Dont have the specific info tho, but it is lte.

That's not true, only Sprint doesn't have the 700 band, T Mobile, Cricket and Metro use it now and att in the future. What happened to Boston and Seattle, the test markets, going live last year?

[hwertz]

It's the 700mhz C band, it was divided into regional licenses which Verizon bought all of for the lower 48 and Hawaii (but did not in Alaska.)

As for the test markets, from what I read, last year they had maybe a dozen cell sites in each city, enough so they could determine peak speeds, see how speeds hold up while the aircard is in motion, deep in buildings, etc. etc., and then got multiple cards to see how speeds held up under load. Was it a live network? I think the point is moot since there were no LTE devices on the market -- even the ones Verizon was using were apparently prototypes.

To have 25-30 markets done by the end of the year, I would assume they'd start by finishing up the markets they already started. If they aren't done now, I would think they would be by the time LTE devices are actually available for purchase.

Here's hoping they roll it out fast -- I am looking forward to 60mbps peaks, that'll outrun the fastest landline I could purchase (20mbps from Qwest.)

[Dubspoon]

There's a live LTE in the world that has to be using something. Maybe they want to show WiMax up by doing all the markets at the same time.

[Pellam]

There's a live LTE in the world that has to be using something. Maybe they want to show WiMax up by doing all the markets at the same time.

There's ambition and there's reality. I guarantee you that VZW won't have 25-30 up by year's end. Still, no matter how many markets they manage to get up and running by year's end, assuming they get any up and running at all, the question becomes how well built out those markets will be.

[Butthead007]

That's not true, only Sprint doesn't have the 700 band, T Mobile, Cricket and Metro use it now and att in the future. What happened to Boston and Seattle, the test markets, going live last year?

TMObile, cricket, and metro use it now (700 mhz spectrum)? Seriously, you need to put down the Sprint fan boy/VZW hate all crack pipe. Of course you'll probably come back with something like 'I am a wireless consultant for AIG' which would speak volumes about the quality of your posts and AIG.

If you have no clue about the answer, then do not post! And yes, Boston and Seattle are current test markets--have been since 4th quarter 2009.

There is too much minutiae in the OP post to make any real intelligent response until the layout plans are revealed. You can probably do some research and make a 95% educated guess, but I'd wait for the implementation.

[Butthead007]

There's a live LTE in the world that has to be using something. Maybe they want to show WiMax up by doing all the markets at the same time.

Considering the fact that Sprint is the only US carrier going WiMax while the rest of the world goes LTE, I am not entirely sure why you think (in an arrogant manner) that people even care about wimax.

What you are seeing here is the evolution of another cdma vs gsm argument evolve right before your eyes. LTE vs wimax. Well, wimax is going to lose out. I am quite confident there is not a single verizon executive who lost more than 15 minutes sleep over wimax. Why? Sprint is losing customers, no growth/revenue, they decided they only want your cash by handling day to day network operations to someone else, fill in blank.

Sprint believes they can take a steaming pile of dog crap, slap a bmw logo on it, and pawn themselves off as the now network. Well, they're not. Enjoy your crap sandwich.

[vzwinagent]

LTE is going to be rolled out a bit differently from EVDO. I know part of their plan is to have all major airports covered by years end. In Indianapolis that will basically only mean the SW side of the city. They also have plans to do Lafayette (Purdue University) in Indiana by years end.

[Network 10]

I know that 700 MHz is the best possible frequency to deploy a wireless 4G network due to its range of signal, however, will Verizon have to position the cell sites in close proximity to one another (e.g. a 1900 MHz network) to ensure capacity?

[Evan702]

That's not true, only Sprint doesn't have the 700 band, T Mobile, Cricket and Metro use it now and att in the future.

What you're referring to is 1700 Mhz AWS spectrum, Dub.

[Dubspoon]

TMObile, cricket, and metro use it now (700 mhz spectrum)? Seriously, you need to put down the Sprint fan boy/VZW hate all crack pipe. Of course you'll probably come back with something like 'I am a wireless consultant for AIG' which would speak volumes about the quality of your posts and AIG.

If you have no clue about the answer, then do not post! And yes, Boston and Seattle are current test markets--have been since 4th quarter 2009.

There is too much minutiae in the OP post to make any real intelligent response until the layout plans are revealed. You can probably do some research and make a 95% educated guess, but I'd wait for the implementation.

I had the spectrum wrong, as Evan702 pointed out, but do know the carriers mentioned did buy some of it. Believe what you will but just because Europe is going LTE doesn't make it better or right just like the CDMA vs. GSM argument that, my friend, is arrogance. Your post after this screams arrogance but it still belies the fact that WiMax has a significant lead that's growing and as Network 10 stated, they'll need more towers because of the frequency but at least they'll get great coverage in building, that are close to towers.

[iamrobk]

I know that 700 MHz is the best possible frequency to deploy a wireless 4G network due to its range of signal, however, will Verizon have to position the cell sites in close proximity to one another (e.g. a 1900 MHz network) to ensure capacity?

Even now, not all of Verizon's towers do 3G, only the 1900MHz ones (and the 850MHz ones where theres a large gap in coverage). I imagine they'll do something similar, where they put up enough to have blanket coverage, but not every tower. And of course if they need to add capacity in the future (likely, but not for 5-10 years) they can just update more towers.

[Dubspoon]

I know that 700 MHz is the best possible frequency to deploy a wireless 4G network due to its range of signal, however, will Verizon have to position the cell sites in close proximity to one another (e.g. a 1900 MHz network) to ensure capacity?

They would need more towers and update current to ones for it to be close coverage to what they have now but then again who knows?