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    Question Weirdness with 4G coverage at my house -- anyone else had this happen?

    So, last month, I finally signed up for clear. I have the Sierra Wireless 4G+ USB modem, that works on both 4G and Sprint 3G.

    So far, I've been happy with it. It's exactly what I needed, because I have 4G coverage at work, where I use my laptop, but none at home IN THEORY because according to the coverage maps, my house isn't even in the area that's set to go live in the next 3 months.

    So for the last few weeks, I've been using 4G on my laptop at work, and 3G at home on my desktop, which is on the ground floor of the house, in the front room of the house. I plug the modem into a USB extension cord and put it up in the bay window of the front room to get better signal strength, and all I can get, all it can detect, is Sprint's 3G network with 4 bars (out of 10) of signal strength.

    But then, on Wednesday, I decided to try it out for the first time on a PC that's upstairs. It's on the same side of the house as my PC, in the bedroom directly over the front room. The tower is on top of a desk, approximately 3-4 feet away from the windows in the room. I plugged my modem into the front USB port, let the software install, let it boot up...

    ...and was shocked to find that I had 4G service with a full 10 bars of signal strength!!!

    Again, just 1 story below, with the modem IN the window, I get NOTHING for 4G! When I try to switch to 4G, it will literally sit there for an HOUR trying to initialize and unable to do so, if I let it. But go upstairs, just, I don't know, 10-12 feet higher, maybe? And 3-4 feet away from the window, at that, and I get 10 BARS!!! And it maintains it constantly! The signal doesn't fluctuate like it does where I work (all day long, with it positioned for the best signal, it will literally fluctuate between 1 bar and 9 bars, and everywhere in between, constantly, for no good reason that I can see. And that's in an area that supposedly has the best Clear service.) On the second floor of the house, it stays at 10 bars continuously! And this is without even using an external antenna (haven't bought one yet!)

    How on Earth is that even POSSIBLE? It's normal for all of my wireless devices to get a bar or 2 more upstairs than they get downstairs. My Cricket A600 USB modem got 2-3 bars (out of 4) downstairs, and 3-4 bars upstairs. My T-Mobile BlackBerries get a bar or 2 more signal strength upstairs. But to go from NO signal to FULL signal? How is that even possible?!?!?

    Someone explain this to me, please. Explain how I can get full service upstairs, and absolute ZILCH downstairs. 'Cuz I don't get it.

    One thing's clear... time to think about adding a second line and putting an in-home modem on the upstairs PC, so I can share the 4G goodness over wi-fi.





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    Clear uses an even higher frequency spectrum than T-Mobile's HSPA+ or EDGE network. T-Mobile's EDGE network is at 1900MHz, their HSPA+ network at 1700/2100MHz, and Clear's network is at 2500-2700MHz. The higher the frequency, generally the weaker it is for building penetration. When you're downstairs, that signal has to go through a lot of walls, possibly also in surrounding houses, as well. This is especially true if Clear's antennas are far or aren't very high up (and if your location is like mine, Clear keeps their antennas usually below other cell networks' in shared towers). In comparison, AT&T's and Verizon's networks usually use 850MHz (sometimes 1900MHz), that's why they have more coverage...fewer towers needed to cover bigger areas. Verizon's upcoming LTE network will be using 700MHz. That doesn't mean you can't build a solid network with high frequency spectrum; both T-Mobile and Sprint have build solid networks in a lot of big cities, but you can't expect Clear to do that immediately... takes time. From their coverage maps, most of their new launch cities' coverage look like Swiss cheese.

    Another factor is the hardware's antenna(s), which is very important for weaker signals. From using so many devices on T-Mobile's HSPA+ network, I've noticed some phones (from my use, Sony Ericsson and Nokia) get very good 3G signal, while others (like my previous HTC Nexus One or Samsung) was atrocious and lost 3G all the time. The same thing you mentioned happens in my two story home with weaker phones... parts of downstairs I get 1 or 0 bars (2 at best), while upstairs I get full signal. Those with stronger reception get me solid coverage everywhere in the house (2 signals minimum) although it does improve upstairs.
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    I've had Clear or Sprint with a variety of devices for nearly the last 2 years now and haven't encountered a similar experience.
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    Actually this is a common issue.ALL of their modems get better signals when they are elavated.
    so try having the modem near a skyline if u have to use it on the ground floor :P but since you have a USB modem so that is not an option for you,but for home modems the higher the better.

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    A solution for you:
    Get a Cradlepoint CTR-500 router, and a pair of powerline adapters if necessary.
    Convert your 4g signal to ethernet first, then inject the signal to your home network.

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    Or he can call to cancel as he is having weird signals and retention will give him those line plugs
    trust me i have seen it happen

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    Update: FINALLY solved this issue!

    Here's what it took:
    1. The Sierra Wireless Desktop Performance Cradle for the 250U 4G+ Modem... this essentially turns it into a home/office desktop modem with the most powerful, omni-directional antenna for the best performance.
    2. A large, plastic shower basket from Target... the sort of thing you use to hold your shampoo, conditioner, shaving cream, and razor while you shower... attaches to the wall with 2 large suction cups.
    I purchased both, making sure that # 2 was large enough to hold the Desktop Cradle. I then placed my modem in the desktop cradle, put the cradle in the plastic basket, and put the basket on the window as high up as I could get it... it's about 5˝ feet above ground/floor level now. And BOOM... 100% signal strength!! But just 1 foot lower in the window, and I get NADA... it can't detect 4G at all! And this is WITH the desktop performance cradle! Weeeeird. But still... problem finally solved.

    What's still unknown is how such a severe signal drop-off can happen in the space of just 1 FOOT of elevation. Totally bizarre.

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    I used a slightly alternate procedure to fix my issues with Clear:
    1. Rotate your WiMax modem so it is at a 45-degree angle to the nearest window.
    2. Cancel your account and order Comcast.

    My plan didn't even include 3G, but I'm not even sure why you're trying so hard to get 4G signal. For me at least, 4G was literally slower than 3G.

    Okay, so I'm a biased disgruntled former customer, but there are hundreds of complaints on Clear's own forums, even after all the ones they have censored, so I'm hardly an isolated case here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SegNerd View Post
    I used a slightly alternate procedure to fix my issues with Clear:
    1. Rotate your WiMax modem so it is at a 45-degree angle to the nearest window.
    2. Cancel your account and order Comcast.

    My plan didn't even include 3G, but I'm not even sure why you're trying so hard to get 4G signal. For me at least, 4G was literally slower than 3G.

    Okay, so I'm a biased disgruntled former customer, but there are hundreds of complaints on Clear's own forums, even after all the ones they have censored, so I'm hardly an isolated case here.
    I assure you, my experience with Clear over the last 13 months has been the exact OPPOSITE of yours! Clear is AWESOME for me!!! But then again, I'm lucky enough to live & work in the Washington D.C./Baltimore area. Baltimore was THE FIRST city in the nation to have WiMax service turned on (under the now-defunct Xohm brand name.) And D.C. was unofficially up & running for months before they "officially" turned it on. So, our experience may be better than what people are getting in other parts of the country. I have co-workers that use the WiMax network, too, as they have Sprint Android phones with WiMax 4G built-in, and they haven't complained about having the problem you experienced, either. So, maybe we just have it better than everyone else, when it comes to the quality of service with WiMax 4G! Or it could be that all those hundreds of complaints you see are just from the very vocal MINORITY, people that apparently have nothing better to do with their time than to b!†˘h and whine and p!$$ and moan on the internet from the confines of their mom's basement!

    Before I talk more about my reasons for using Clear, and my experiences with Clear, let me say this first: Landline broadband (i.e. Verizon Fios, cable internet, DSL, etc) is almost always the best option! I know Clear is marketed as a replacement for landline service, but if all I needed was internet at my house, I would have gone with Verizon Fios rather than Clear. Landline internet is almost always going to provide you with better service than wireless. For one thing, the download speeds don't fluctuate to as high of a degree on landline internet.

    The reasons I chose Clear for my broadband needs are simple:
    1. I do not own the home I currently live in, and the home's owner would not allow me to modify the property by having either cable or Fios installed. He didn't want anyone drilling holes in the building. So I was stuck with either DSL, which would likely provide very slow speeds on my block, or wireless, mobile broadband as my only options.
    2. I work long hours (typical day: 11 hours) so I'm usually at WORK more than I'm at home... which is why I use my laptop, with my Clear 4G internet, at work.
    3. For the last year, I've also been traveling regularly, taking trips out of the area every couple months, so I wanted to be able to take my broadband service with me when I travel.
    And again, I've had awesome service with Clear! Before buying the Desktop Performance Dock, in all but one room of the house I live in, I'd get 10 bars (100% signal strength) and download speeds as high as the full advertised top speed of 6 mbps. Since buying the Desktop Cradle and using it, I've boosted my speeds at home as high as 9.5 mbps or thereabouts!

    So, as you can tell, my Clear WiMax 4G is absolutely NOT slower than Sprint 3G! It puts the Sprint 3G speeds, and DSL speeds, TO SHAME!

    There's another reason why I try so hard to get a 4G signal: My 4G usage is TRULY UNLIMITED! I can use as much data as I want, and I don't get overage fees, or speed throttling, or my service turned off, if I go over 5 GB of usage. Before Clear, I had CricKet. There's a thread about the problems I had with them. I eventually had to upgrade to a 10 GB a month plan with them to have enough usage for my needs. Then they forced a change in the bandwidth limits on their users. Whether I liked it or not, my usage limit was chopped in half, from the 10 GB I was paying for, down to only the 5 GB I originally had, which wasn't enough. So, I left for Clear.

    On a monthly basis, I would use as much as 8.5 GB of data, and that was BEFORE I bought the Cradlepoint Router I now own to share my mobile broadband connection with my Xbox 360! I probably use MORE than 8.5 GB a month now! Wouldn't be surprised if I'm up over 10 GB a month now! And Clear gives me no issues for it!

    As for Sprint 3G.... I'm limited to only 5 GB a month of usage on it. Great fallback if WiMax 4G just isn't available, but definitely not something I want to use day in & day out.

    Now, let's talk about the issue you experienced with Clear. Yes, I'm aware of that problem. Most likely, the Clear WiMax "cell" site your modem was connected to flagged you as being an "Excessive User", using way more bandwidth than the other 4G users that were connecting to that site, and throttled you down to something like .25 mbps... about the same speed you'd get on the old 2G 1xRTT network. It's unfortunate, because when Clear finally admitted what was going on, they admitted that the problem was a software bug, that was causing the system to throttle people when it shouldn't. Not sure if they've fixed it or not.

    I can only tell you that I've only experienced that throttling problem ONCE. And that was when I was working one day in a location I'm not normally at, and was only there for the one day. I switched to the Sprint 3G network, and got the same lousy speed there that I was getting on Clear at the same time. So the system must have flagged me as a "heavy user" on that one "cell" site, and throttled me. As soon as I returned to my usual stomping grounds... boom! Full speed!

    So, to sum up... Clear WiMax 4G is working FANTASTICALLY for me and is the best broadband service for my needs. All of the alternative options would be too costly, and would involve paying probably TWICE as much per month to have a mobile modem with limited usage, and a landline internet service too. I'll keep on using Clear as long as the network is up & running!

    As for you... I'm sorry to hear that Clear didn't work out for you, but you're luckier than you realize, because you still had other options available to you. Thus, you were able to find a solution that DID work better for you!

    But there are still many areas of the country where people either can't get broadband AT ALL, or the only broadband they can get is through the cable company, so they're held hostage by the cable company's monopoly on service in their area. And that's why WiMax was invented: To have a wireless option that could be deployed quickly and in a cost effective manner to give the public more options, so that broadband can be brought to more people. For some of us, it's the best option for our needs. For you, it wasn't. But for you to state that this means the company deserves to go bankrupt and go out of business entirely is the height of arrogance and self-importance! Shame on you!

    The world doesn't revolve around YOU! So, Clear didn't work for you! BIG FAT, HAIRY DEAL! GET OVER YOURSELF AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!! Door's to your left.

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    Pretty much the only points I can find in your long, rambling post is that your Clear service has been really fast, and that you like the ability to use Clear on the go.

    As I said, Clear service is not fast. I don't think my problem was throttling, since it was not SOMETIMES slow - it was ALWAYS slow. But I guess I'll never know, since their tech support doesn't speak English. What I do know is that there are hundreds of posts on Clear's site backing me up and pretty much zero posts backing you up.

    And you can't use Clear service on the go, either. I briefly tried Clear's ClearSpot, and it could not get a signal, anywhere. Not even right next to my home WiMax modem, which was able to get a signal. The ClearSpot had a battery life of about 8 minutes, and that is not an exaggeration. I exchanged it for a second ClearSpot and it had exactly the same problems.

    Pretty much everything else in your post is just juvenile name calling, and your other post in the other thread is even worse. Since there is no factual content in your posts, I'm just going to start reporting them instead of trying to debate this rationally with you.

    I don't own my apartment either, and I didn't have any trouble getting cable Internet. You are the only person who has ever claimed that Clear is their only choice for Internet access, and frankly you should lose access to the Internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SegNerd View Post
    As I said, Clear service is not fast. I don't think my problem was throttling, since it was not SOMETIMES slow - it was ALWAYS slow. But I guess I'll never know, since their tech support doesn't speak English. What I do know is that there are hundreds of posts on Clear's site backing me up and pretty much zero posts backing you up.
    Correction: Clear service was not fast FOR YOU and for some other users whose posts you saw online. You have made no mention of what area you were in when using it, or what exact modem models you were using, or what kind of signal strength you had, or anything else that would help people determine if you were in an area known for service issues, or were using a model of modem that had a known issue at the time you were using it. You also made no mention of what amount of bandwidth you were using, or what you were using the modem for.

    I, on the other hand, will tell people where I am right now and share my speed I'm getting, using the Sierra Wireless 250U 4G+ Modem, plugged into Sierra Wireless' Desktop Performance Cradle for that modem to boost the signal strength and download speed. I am right now sitting in my office on the 8200 block of Georgia Ave in Silver Spring, MD, a major, downtown area just outside of D.C. Here's my SpeedTest.Net results obtained at 1:03 PM, Eastern Standard Time, this afternoon. This is, again, using the Desktop Performance Cradle, which gives my modem the same powerful, signal-boosting, omni-directional antenna as the Home/Office Desktop Modems. And, to be fair, directly across the intersection from me, there's a very large radio transmitter antenna on top of an office building, with a cluster of cell phone antennas on it. In all likelihood, Clear has a transmitter right there, next to where I am:



    I got the same exact kind of speed yesterday when I tested it. That's the best speed I've ever received, at home the Desktop Cradle is getting me up to about 9, 9.5 mbps. And where I live is about halfway between D.C. & Baltimore, so it's completely suburban. It's not even a major downtown area like where I work. I have been told by Clear Tech Support, when the 4G service to my neighborhood was temporarily down, that there are 2 transmitters/cell sites near my house for WiMax 4G, one to the North (which if it's where I think it is, is in a shopping center just a couple traffic lights away from my house) and one to the South. So, being in the overlap of 2 sites, I may receive better service than some users.

    The best speed I've ever heard of anyone getting was 12 mbps, and that was a HoFo member using a ClearSpot. At the time, it was sitting right next to his Desktop Home/Office modem, which in the same location, was delivering only 6 mbps, which proved that Clear is artificially capping the top speed the Home/Office modems deliver to 6 mbps, while allowing USB modems and ClearSpots to deliver the full and total speed the network is capable of delivering in that area, and that speed can be maximized by the use of a Desktop Performance Dock.

    And you can't use Clear service on the go, either. I briefly tried Clear's ClearSpot, and it could not get a signal, anywhere. Not even right next to my home WiMax modem, which was able to get a signal. The ClearSpot had a battery life of about 8 minutes, and that is not an exaggeration. I exchanged it for a second ClearSpot and it had exactly the same problems.
    Simply NOT TRUE! I can and DO use it on the go! Okay, granted, I'm not trying to use my laptop w/ Clear internet while driving down the street in my car, because I'm too busy, you know, DRIVING, but I use it anywhere and EVERYWHERE that I'm regularly at! I've used it at my house, multiple office locations for the company I work for, including ones in Laurel, MD; Greenbelt, MD; Wheaton, MD (another major downtown area); North Potomac, MD; Germantown, MD; Olney, MD... which was the only location where I experienced the stupidly low speeds you had, and it was clear that I was in a fringe area, as I had to use the Desktop Performance Dock to even stay connected to 4G consistently at all; and now Silver Spring, MD. I've also used it when traveling to Cincinnati, OH, and other cities. If Clear's WiMax 4G signal is available with a good, strong signal, I get good service everywhere I go. It's only when I'm in a fringe area with weak coverage, or no coverage, that I have to switch to Sprint 3G as a back-up.

    As I mentioned before, I am DEFINITELY a "power user", using this as a replacement for landline service because that's the option that worked best for ME. I never said it was my ONLY option, but the other option was DSL, which would not have worked well for my needs, as I also needed mobile internet to use with my laptop. So, it was either pay for BOTH DSL and Clear, or just use Clear alone. I chose the latter. And after more than a year, it's working out pretty well so far.

    And that's the FACTS of what I'VE experienced with Clear. As always, Your Mileage May Vary.

    Since there is no factual content in your posts, I'm just going to start reporting them instead of trying to debate this rationally with you.
    I've posted plenty of facts about what I've experienced with Clear since signing up with them in October, 2010. By comparison, your own posts have been lacking in the sorts of facts I've posted.

    And again, it is childish and arrogant to state that everyone that uses Clear (or Sprint 4G, or Time Warner 4G, or whatever other names the service is sold under) and is happy with it should LOSE the ability to use their service just because YOU had a bad experience. Clear didn't work for you, so you took your business elsewhere. That should have been the end of it.

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    Something I forgot to mention... Clear, like ANY wireless/cellular service, is going to have fluctuations in the signal strength and the speeds both down & up. That's the nature of wireless service. The speed is not going to be a constant 10.9 mbps where I work. It fluctuates up & down throughout the day... here's an even more fair look at what I'm getting in downtown Silver Spring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack T. Chance
    Quote Originally Posted by SegNerd View Post
    As I said, Clear service is not fast. I don't think my problem was throttling, since it was not SOMETIMES slow - it was ALWAYS slow. But I guess I'll never know, since their tech support doesn't speak English. What I do know is that there are hundreds of posts on Clear's site backing me up and pretty much zero posts backing you up.
    Correction: Clear service was not fast FOR YOU and for some other users whose posts you saw online. You have made no mention of what area you were in when using it, or what exact modem models you were using, or what kind of signal strength you had, or anything else that would help people determine if you were in an area known for service issues, or were using a model of modem that had a known issue at the time you were using it. You also made no mention of what amount of bandwidth you were using, or what you were using the modem for.

    I, on the other hand, will tell people where I am right now and share my speed I'm getting, using the Sierra Wireless 250U 4G+ Modem, plugged into Sierra Wireless' Desktop Performance Cradle for that modem to boost the signal strength and download speed. I am right now sitting in my office on the 8200 block of Georgia Ave in Silver Spring, MD, a major, downtown area just outside of D.C. Here's my SpeedTest.Net results obtained at 1:03 PM, Eastern Standard Time, this afternoon. This is, again, using the Desktop Performance Cradle, which gives my modem the same powerful, signal-boosting, omni-directional antenna as the Home/Office Desktop Modems. And, to be fair, directly across the intersection from me, there's a very large radio transmitter antenna on top of an office building, with a cluster of cell phone antennas on it. In all likelihood, Clear has a transmitter right there, next to where I am:



    I got the same exact kind of speed yesterday when I tested it. That's the best speed I've ever received, at home the Desktop Cradle is getting me up to about 9, 9.5 mbps. And where I live is about halfway between D.C. & Baltimore, so it's completely suburban. It's not even a major downtown area like where I work. I have been told by Clear Tech Support, when the 4G service to my neighborhood was temporarily down, that there are 2 transmitters/cell sites near my house for WiMax 4G, one to the North (which if it's where I think it is, is in a shopping center just a couple traffic lights away from my house) and one to the South. So, being in the overlap of 2 sites, I may receive better service than some users.

    The best speed I've ever heard of anyone getting was 12 mbps, and that was a HoFo member using a ClearSpot. At the time, it was sitting right next to his Desktop Home/Office modem, which in the same location, was delivering only 6 mbps, which proved that Clear is artificially capping the top speed the Home/Office modems deliver to 6 mbps, while allowing USB modems and ClearSpots to deliver the full and total speed the network is capable of delivering in that area, and that speed can be maximized by the use of a Desktop Performance Dock.

    And you can't use Clear service on the go, either. I briefly tried Clear's ClearSpot, and it could not get a signal, anywhere. Not even right next to my home WiMax modem, which was able to get a signal. The ClearSpot had a battery life of about 8 minutes, and that is not an exaggeration. I exchanged it for a second ClearSpot and it had exactly the same problems.
    Simply NOT TRUE! I can and DO use it on the go! Okay, granted, I'm not trying to use my laptop w/ Clear internet while driving down the street in my car, because I'm too busy, you know, DRIVING, but I use it anywhere and EVERYWHERE that I'm regularly at! I've used it at my house, multiple office locations for the company I work for, including ones in Laurel, MD; Greenbelt, MD; Wheaton, MD (another major downtown area); North Potomac, MD; Germantown, MD; Olney, MD... which was the only location where I experienced the stupidly low speeds you had, and it was clear that I was in a fringe area, as I had to use the Desktop Performance Dock to even stay connected to 4G consistently at all; and now Silver Spring, MD. I've also used it when traveling to Cincinnati, OH, and other cities. If Clear's WiMax 4G signal is available with a good, strong signal, I get good service everywhere I go. It's only when I'm in a fringe area with weak coverage, or no coverage, that I have to switch to Sprint 3G as a back-up.

    As I mentioned before, I am DEFINITELY a "power user", using this as a replacement for landline service because that's the option that worked best for ME. I never said it was my ONLY option, but the other option was DSL, which would not have worked well for my needs, as I also needed mobile internet to use with my laptop. So, it was either pay for BOTH DSL and Clear, or just use Clear alone. I chose the latter. And after more than a year, it's working out pretty well so far.

    And that's the FACTS of what I'VE experienced with Clear. As always, Your Mileage May Vary.

    Since there is no factual content in your posts, I'm just going to start reporting them instead of trying to debate this rationally with you.
    I've posted plenty of facts about what I've experienced with Clear since signing up with them in October, 2010. By comparison, your own posts have been lacking in the sorts of facts I've posted.

    And again, it is childish and arrogant to state that everyone that uses Clear (or Sprint 4G, or Time Warner 4G, or whatever other names the service is sold under) and is happy with it should LOSE the ability to use their service just because YOU had a bad experience. Clear didn't work for you, so you took your business elsewhere. That should have been the end of it.
    I am happy with the service.
    With the new IP passthrough setting on g modem, the latency is much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Skyedance View Post
    [SIZE=1]I am happy with the service.
    With the new IP passthrough setting on g modem, the latency is much better.
    I've never even heard of that setting! What is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack T. Chance View Post
    I've never even heard of that setting! What is it?
    This is like VPN supported thing; your router will get "street IP" instead of NAT'd.

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