Reply With QuoteI agree Ducati, it is silly to even be debating this. I bet Sprint will even beat out T-Mobile for the 4th quarter 2010.
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Total subscribers by 2015? how about 2010 for starters:
Q1
Sprint - lost a total of 75,000 net subscribers
T-Mobile - Total customers served declined by 77,000
Q2
Sprint - added a total of 111,000 net wireless customers
T-Mobile - Total customers served declined by 93,000
Q3
Sprint - added a total of 644,000 net wireless customers
T-Mobile - Net customer additions of 137,000
Q4
Sprint - added a total of 1.1 million net wireless customers
T-Mobile -
So for 2010 T-Mobile is "down" 713,000 subs to Sprint....so far. In other words Sprint has "out gained" T-Mobile by 713,000...so far for 2010. It would be quite a reach at this point to think T-Mobile not only will out gain Sprint....... but by such a large margin over the next 4 yrs to be #3.
Last edited by 503ducati; 02-11-2011 at 12:10 AM.
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I agree Ducati, it is silly to even be debating this. I bet Sprint will even beat out T-Mobile for the 4th quarter 2010.
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Originally Posted by rilharri
I'm going off of what Sprint said their plans are in their own Network Vision. No plans for any higher revision of EV-DO. SV-DO is on the handset side and should be supported by Sprint this year but other than that they have expressed no interest in further EV-DO revisions.
T-Mobile is looking to reduce roaming costs.. AT&T has not let T-Mobile roam on their 3G network yet (T-Mobile says it's AT&T and AT&T says it's fine, who believes AT&T?), like I said it's not going to happen when they have explicitly said they want to reduce roaming costs, adding 3G roaming with AT&T is not in their plans. If they did plan on roaming it would have been in the plan.
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Coverage will expand to 100 million LTE pops for the first half of 2013, with the second half of 2013 expanding to 200 million POPs covered. Release 10 LTE (2×10, 2×20) will be better performing than all other competitors.
T-Mobile USA. “This year, we’re stepping on the gas again. We are making continued coverage improvements and launching an advanced LTE network
I have a blue tooth
They might, but it would be silly to dismiss the threat the way some are in this thread. T-Mobile is making a serious play here and they are going to be dumping a lot of money into their network and their devices. They already have a better device line up and where they do have "4g" coverage their network is one of the best I have used.
That isnt a bad place to start. T-Mobile isnt the only one with problems remember. They might have lost subs for a quarter or two but Sprint is facing their own issues with Clearwire.
I've got more phones than fingers
T-Mobile won't overtake through organic growth, but that's not to same a merger/acquisition here or there won't give then the edge.
I've got more phones than fingers
Sprint's continued position as #3 is FAR from assured. Sprint CDMA was once considerably ahead of Tmobile, but now Tmo is neck-neck with Sprint CDMA. Tmo's postpaid numbers EXCEED those of Sprint CDMA. Tmobile made significant gains (millions) while Sprint was bleeding customers by the millions. So right now, from the customer numbers POV, what separates Tmo from Sprint is the iDEN numbers, and Sprint shows little ability to retain iDEN customers -- when they do jump, they more readily jump to another carrier than to Sprint CDMA. With the sunsetting of iDEN in the near future, it seems clear that Tmo is counting on grabbing some of those iDEN refugees, as they did during the heavy iDEN bleeding period 2 years ago.
Tmobile's "4G" effort also seems far more solid and well funded, even if it is "only" HSPA+. Clear buildout seems all but halted right now, which is about the worse time that it could be stalled given the rapid advances of Tmo and VZW 4G. So I think it is indeed quite possible that Tmo could top Sprint -- at least it is going to continue to offer fierce competition, particularly since Sprint seems to be rushing to shed its "low cost" image. The only area in which Sprint seems to be executing much better than Tmo is in prepaid, although the last few Q's haven't been that kind to Tmo....
That said, Sprint *could* turn around and each Tmo's lunch. There really is no reason that Sprint couldn't, given Sprint's superior network. But Sprint seems disinterested in competing directly with Tmo, Hesse apparently continuing to execute his BabyBell wannabee aspirations, thinking that Sprint is a peer of AT&T and Verizon (which it isn't)...
I have a blue tooth
Although I'll refrain from T-Mobile trashing (as they have gotten a little better here) they are not going to claim the #3 spot in the near future.
I think it's great that T-Mobile has an ambitious game plan. However Y/E 2013 is a bit away. It will keep Hesse and company on their toes.
T-Mobiles new CEO seems to get it and if you were him why not make a bold statement like that? Let the competitors know you plan on taking them head on.
Rex Ryan tries it every year.
Last edited by billm261; 02-02-2011 at 08:55 PM.
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I agree with most of this, is it silly? No..
Sprint is not retaining the majority of it's iDEN customers
Sprint will be dead last in network speed/4G if they stick to what they outlined in their Network Vision plan
T-Mobile is investing more dollars in it's network and they have been for years now. Fiber deployment to their existing network is nearing completion in Q3 of 2010 Sprint is apparently just getting started on it.
Sprint's new subs are mostly prepaid (and via the Airave if I recall correctly because they are now counting those as extra contracted lines of service), not money makers and can churn out very easily(see iDEN prepaid).
We're not talking next month or the year after.. 4 years is a LONG time away.
To suggest that T-Mobile is not a threat to Sprint is a joke in itself. T-Mobile has all of the means and tools to overtake Sprint. HSPA is not sitting at a dead-end and HSPA to LTE is a much easier transition.
Radiation is good
Agreed, just wishful thinking on the new CEO, and one T-Mobile sub.
But really, do you think he would tell the shareholders anything else lol.
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Why do peole that don't have Sprint, post in Sprint forums hmmmmmie Troll Alert
If the economy is so bad way are you wasting $200-$2,000 with Verizon or ATT... shame shame
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Arrogance is not the recipe for long term success. T-Mobile has everything they need to pass up Sprint and if Sprint thinks like the people here in this thread that's exactly what will happen.
I have a blue tooth
They will always battle for the same customers much like Verizon and AT&T.
I'd like to see US Cellular, Metro & Cricket merge to form another potential contender. The more the merrier for us as customers.
HSPA this, Wi-Max that, lets get fundamental voice coverage down first then worry about network speed bragging. No service and dropping calls (on T-Mobile) is so early 90's. Since we here on HoFo are not the norm, how many of the real people out there care about HSPA, HSPA+, LTE or Wi-Max. I'm happy when I can get close to 1MB down, it's fast enough for what I need. Forget 4G, Sprint's EVDO network needs improvement here, T-Mobile's IS faster where deployed.
T-Mobile currently has NO COMPELLING REASON to sign up right now especially since they have hidden the EM+ plans which are a good offering. A pretty little girl in a magenta colored dress slamming AT&T is hysterical but that's where it ends. Plenty of coverage areas are far from 4G and their plans don't seem better than Sprint excluding EM+
Sprints 69.99 any mobile data plan sent a clear compelling reason. It's not to say that they didn't muddy that water now but it was a good reason and I suspect the biggest reason for the anticipated Q4 2010 subscriber growth.
If Sprint fumbles this Network Vision plan (and that's not impossible) and ticks off the remaining 10 million IDEN users with a product that is not exactly like IDEN in every way, or ends up with a Clearwire train wreck, T-mobile may benefit but so might Verizon and AT&T.
The next couple of years will be interesting.
Last edited by billm261; 02-02-2011 at 09:17 PM.
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http://www.t-mobile.com/Cms/Files/Pu...ssReleaseFinal[1].pdf
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...xUeXBlPTM=&t=1
I don't really consider a difference of 4.4 million subs to be neck to neck, but perhaps that's just me. As far as the postpaid, Sprint CDMA=26.6M, t-mobile= 26.6M....
Where's the proof that Airaves are being counted as contracted lines of service? As far as new subs, the only additions that T-mobile has made in four of the last five quarters have been on the prepaid side, so I suppose they're in the same boat, eh?
Thrill me...
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T-Mobile's MVNO activity is hardly akin to Virgin Mobile (Sprint) and them offering up the farm at $25 a month to bulk up subscriber numbers. If T-Mobile wanted to easily boost up their subscriber numbers and deviate from their core business model as a postpaid provider they could very well do so.
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=205006
I've got more phones than fingers
I wish both companies luck. I hope they both go through their respective network improvement projects. I would love competition for the big two.
I've got more phones than fingers
Yada, yada...rationalizations and nothing more. On one hand you try to down Sprint for mostly adding prepaids, but like I pointed out, that's ALL t-mobile has been adding for four of the last five quarters. Their core business as a postpaid provider hasn't done well at all during that time frame. Oh and in Q3 2010 despite "offering up the farm", Sprint prepaid ARPU $28, T-mobile prepaid ARPU $19.
Yeah Airaves have had numbers assigned to them, that was discussed here some time ago. All that thread shows is someone's "guess" as to the reasoning why.
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