Motorola's new Droid Bionic (Targa) pre-release thread - Part 1

[jroc74]

I sorta understand your point, but with phones like these the screen is massively important. And I find something about the LCD pentile even more annoying than AMOLED pentile. With AMOLED it seemed more like a straight forward lowered effective resolution. With these Moto pentile screens flat colors look like they have a hatched pattern. It just looks awful in my opinion. I would rather have slightly less fidelity/resolution than this hatchy and flickery look.

Really though I think they should just stay away as upping the resolution you need to drive pixels for without increasing actual fidelity is just a bad trade. I am also actually betting you lose a lot of the power advantage of Pentile by trying to push more pixels with the GPU in many situations. Basically I would rather have a good sharp 800x480 than this qHD pentile. Basically my OG Droid screen in a 4-4.5" size would be far superior to these qHD pentiles, but they probably NEED a qHD 4.3" screen of the OG Droid quality to really draw people from SGS2 hit around the same time.

I get your point about some average consumers, but those people ask people like us about the phones and probably might compare phones side by side. This pentile stuff is quite obviously bad with a quick side by side. Even read of people getting Droid X's before they are hard to find just to avoid the X2 and it's pentile. Also, have yet to find someone that claims to prefer this qHD pentile to 800x480 good standard LCD and that doesn't bode well for the screen AT ALL if it's really hard to find anyone that doesn't notice the flaw in it's fidelity. It seems quite obvious it was used to claim qHD without spending extra on the screen. Wouldn't be surprised if it's cheaper than something like the X's screen. And this is the wrong way to be cutting costs. This is exactly the sort of thing that put another set of great american companies behind asian competitors with our Automakers. They need to fix cost structures from overhead type issues rather than trying to bean count components as it seems they are doing. The non-bean counted components is what has made many of us Moto fans in the first place. They start doing that and they will lose their most devoted customers they they haven't fully lost yet.

So...someone, alot of ppl, the majority of ppl, everyone? looking at the phone will be swayed to another phone just cuz of the screen? Since we are using personal experiences, my girl friend wants a Motorola phone. Why? Cuz it works at her job where most other phones dont. I know everyone isnt aware of Moto and their reputation for reception, but some ppl are. The screen will play a part in the decision. Will it be a major one? Depends on what that individual wants and sees in the store or once it arrives to their house.

Speaking of looks...how many ppl bought the Droid 1, Droid 2, Droid X1, Droid X2 with more sleeker, sexier phones on display right next to em? Take a look at HTC, Samsung and Moto phones and you can see part of the reason why Samsung and HTC sell well. The first impression. Yea the screen will play a part in that too, how big of a part is the thing. If Moto wants to increase sales, start with sleeker, sexier phones. Switch up the design a lil more.

I havent seen one in person yet. But even from pics and clips online....unless its really, really close to my face....I dont see it being so big a problem that Moto will have to switch to another type of screen. If they do, great.

One clip I saw. Notice how close its to the camera....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp6Jg...layer_embedded

I feel the only ppl the screen will really effect is folks like us. I can even see where trying to explain or show it to ppl and some ppl will be like...? I dont see that.

About those ppl asking ppl like us. Thats the same argument about ppl upset about the bootloaders effecting sales in such a way that Moto had to unlock them. How many ppl in the general public even have the eyesight to have Pentile even effect their decision on the phone?

Amoled screens from last year - beautiful colors, (some may say over-saturated) amazing blacks, nice viewing angles....no Galaxy S was in the top 5 phones sold recently even with all those sales. But the Incredible was. The Droid X1 was too.

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_110428.html

The Incredible had the older Amoled screen and switched to LCD. Only thing LCD really had over Amoled screens last year was sharpness and accurate colors. The screen isnt gonna effect sales so bad that Moto will be scrambling to fix the situation.

When looking for ppl to see if they like or dont like the screen, try a larger, diverse group. I know who you didnt find. The folks in Droid X2 threads that say they dont see whats the problem, big deal.

I know we have been on a lil tangent, I kinda see we have an agree to disagree thing here...I just wish there was more info about this phone already.

[jasaero]

^You need to go look at the Atrix or X2. It's a real obvious thing even when not looking close if you have a phone with a normal LCD to compare it to. And it's even obvious the pentile one is the one that looks off. Color gradients from light to dark do a sorta flickering thing and many flat colors have a very obvious, even from a distance, hatch pattern to them.

Looking at a picture or movie it looks mostly regular in many cases I guess, but in menus and text boxes and such with flat colors and gradient shading it's really a bother to watch. The flat color hatching is an effect like REALLY old extreme low resolution devices and you immediately get that impression as soon as you notice such a flat color that exhibits this hatch effect. Other aspects are sharp enough I guess. I wouldn't knock on it so much if it wasn't so glaringly obvious and annoying as soon as you start investigating the device. As soon as you compare to any newer standard 800x480 device with an OK screen all bets are off. I can see how some might not be bothered by these aspects as they are more concerned with picture and video quality. It's just stinks real bad of a way to claim qHD to for the sake of a spec, rather than being done to get a superior resolution screen out on the market. And I don't think the average consumer cares so much about specs and will be confused and annoyed when it's supposed to be higher resolution and "HD", but doesn't look the part.

We are talking Bionic though and at this point am guessing this is one thing being addressed on it. I can't fault them for going ahead with these pentile screens on other phones as they probably essentially purchased a good load of these before realizing how big of a problem they may be in terms of limiting sales. I can see this turning into a big fiasco just like the locked boot loaders though if they insist on going forward with this tech just to try and keep per phone component costs minimized. As I keep saying my near 2 year old OG Droid has an obviously superior screen.

[0mie]

This thread has gone to crap, FAUGuy needs to come in and clean it or better yet close it until more information is made available (which should be soon ) A lot of bickering going on over stupid thing.

Just my .02

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[wnrussell]

This thread has gone to crap, FAUGuy needs to come in and clean it or better yet close it until more information is made available (which should be soon ) A lot of bickering going on over stupid thing.

Oh, NOW you are posting again.

Good to see you back.

[ronaldheld]

I agree with Omie. Nothing useful here for quite a while, and cleanup(or closure for a few weeks) would be helpful.

[jroc74]

This thread has gone to crap, FAUGuy needs to come in and clean it or better yet close it until more information is made available (which should be soon ) A lot of bickering going on over stupid thing.

Just my .02

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Its not bickering...its a....spirited discussion.... (yea...I think that'll fly....lol)

Ok...let me see if I can get it back on track.....what did I just run across recently...

Oh this pic...is this the Bionic?

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Myste...ppears_id19863

They mention a horizontal seam at the bottom....remember some folks thought the Droid X was a slider. Looking at it from the side I could see why some ppl thought that.

[ronaldheld]

Not certain the spirited discusssion will work. The blurrycam photo might be a follow on.

[jroc74]

^Hey...I tried...lol

Whatever it is it looks too thin to be a slider to me.

[rideflat]

Maybe I'm blind but I don't see Motorola on there. I see a speaker grill. Also, if that is an ice cream sandwich device, I doubt it will make it to consumer hands till at least late q1 2012. Back to the bionic, I guess no news to speak of on the "ugly and obsolete" device?

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[corymcnutt]

+1

They are asleep at the wheel. Maybe Sanjay Jha has a drug problem.

Him and the RIM boys must have the same drug supplier!

[xMrRushx]

This thread has gone to crap, FAUGuy needs to come in and clean it or better yet close it until more information is made available (which should be soon ) A lot of bickering going on over stupid thing.

Just my .02

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No sir you are correct. I and im sure many other do not want two blokes bickering over something thats not even out yet and they dont know the hardware from cold hard facts.....only rumors. I want info on this piece and i want it yesterday. Why cant i be cool and hang with developers from moto instead of blackberry i was hands on three weeks ago with the 9980 before all these gadget sites were......and im off topic .

[ronaldheld]

With the D3 due out mid july, is the Bionic due mid August or mid September just before the next fruit phone?

[pimfram]

Has there been any news on when the next iCrap will drop?

[Schmiggy_JK]

This thread has gone to crap, FAUGuy needs to come in and clean it or better yet close it until more information is made available (which should be soon ) A lot of bickering going on over stupid thing.

Just my .02

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Think I mentioned this a few pages back (and was shunned) but people continue to ramble about off-topic crap in here. I remember when things used to get locked around here and cleaned up but it doesn't seem to happen much any more.

Instead of coming for news regarding the actual phone we are waiting for you now have to wade through pages of random debate, that could be in other threads, just to find anything relevant.

[tjmonkey15]

There should be one thread that is random discussion regarding the phone, then another thread reserved strictly for new info, to the point where mods delete every post that is not giving additional information (or rumored info) about the phone.